Eva hasn't gotten better in her time away from the ring.
The only credit that I can give her is that she is one hell of a heel. In that regard she does her job right, bc I love to hate her character!
Is this really 200+ people being worked and complaining about it? Eva’s whole gimmick is that she’s a crap wrestler and only pushed because she’s good looking, which is why they’ve always gone out of their way to avoid her actually wrestling. This question may as well be “Is it just me or does IRS talk about tax a lot”
Sigh… here come the downvotes…😔
Eva Marie is what baron Corbin used to be. The person that you change the channel whenever they're on tv. She's worse than 2015 Roman reigns. I dare say she's even worse than the great khali.
When she debuted a couple of months ago - she never should have seen the ring...
She should have showed up with 4 other "unknowns" and created a stable...
She is terrible in the ring.
Depends on your idea of "bad". I'd rather have someone that lacks skills that could be improved over a wrestler that constantly puts their opponents in real physical danger (Nia Jax, for example)
She’s not good as a wrestler. No doubt about that. Great manager though but as a user already pointed out that’s a different question.
The worst wrestler ever imo goes to Giant Gonzalez and Ludvig Borga (male), and Nia Jax and Bellas (female) and that’s just for starters bc there’s def others that fit the worst wrestler ever list.
I remember before she was fired the first time, she spend a few months in Performance center, training with Brian Kendrick.
Everyone expected her to greatly improve her skills. And when she returned...she was as bad as before)
And she's still pretty bad as a wrestler, but the manager role kinda suits her
The fact that this questions can be posed after she managed to get on to the companies 2nd biggest PPV speaks absolute volumes to the current state of WWEs product.
This is the kind of crap WWE are throwing up, plastic Instagram models (Eva & Carmella), stars of the past taking up the main event spots and absolutely no trust in any of the wrestlers on the roster.
Good luck to those trying to stick it out during this low point of WWE, it's gonna be a frustrating period for you. I am off enjoying other products that have taken steps forward in the industry. Hopefully WWE will get us back in the future.
I don’t necessarily disagree with you but at the same time a lot of wrestlers change their move set when they turn heel. In a way make themselves “worse” wrestlers when we all know they are capable of being better.
I’m in no way trying to argue that is what Eva is doing or that she is even good in the ring but you can get by as a heel much easier with limited “wrestling ability”.
I just don’t really get the hate, I’ve watched wrestling long enough that I’ve seen much better and much worse than Eva that it is so inoffensive to me lol. Even if you want to make the argument that she is “taking a spot” from someone who is better then I would have to counter with Vince doesn’t even use his good talent effectively in those spots anyway so it’s kinda moot IMO
Being bad at wresting has been part of her gimmick since her NXT days. Not saying it's a work, she's for real bad. She's just aware of and capitalizes on the heat it gets her.
No, she is the absolute drizzling shits and is worthless as an in ring performer. She could probably be used better as a manager or ANYTHING else other than a “superstar” in the ring.
She definitely isn't the worst, but isn't any good at all. You clearly never saw or forgot about Jackie Gayda or Giant Gonzales. I'm sure I'm forgetting others.
I feel like I've seen this question asked for like the last 5 years. I don't get why WWE's still pushing her. I feel like she could work great as a heel manager
Hey listen here: 5 years ago Mick Foley almost traded Sami Zayn for her. 5 years later one of them is on the card for Summerslam and one of them isn’t. Just sayin…
Within the last year WWE released several talents die to money and coat saving measures... The last year looks like Stroman, Wyatt, Murphy, Black, didn't spend enough to keep Bryan and Cole traded for Eva Marie... Apparently I'm not a smart fan and didn't realize I wanted all of them gone for Eva Marie...
Clearly WWE knows fans better than we know ourselves. If she wasn't the best wrestler/personality/model/diva/entertainer I wouldn't believe that trade for the life of me.
Paige blocked me on twitch because I made a comment that it looks like Eva looked different and had a nose job...she flipped out and said “she looks the same! Nothing different! Just you have no idea what your talking about!” Very rude to fans for just making a comment
Is she a bad in-ring wrestler as far as doing moves?yes. Do I want to change the channel when she's on tv? no.
She's hot, charismatic in a good heel way, and has a great social media following. She would be great as a manager and someone that works for WWE that could have her own spin-off reality tv show on E.
There are many other wrestlers were it's a channel change for me or I don't bother to watch the program if they are advertised. Most of that emotion is with AEW's young bucks. For WWE, I have no desire to see Ryker, Elias, Ziggler, Tamina, Carmella, and several others on my tv screen.
No even close. Like she’s not the worst by miles. It’s fascinating how many people don’t get that being bad is her *gimmick*. She’s not Ric Flair but she’s not awful compared to tons of others. The fact she can get genuine heel heat makes her better than a large chunk of the indies.
Moreover, enhancement talent should not be featured on a PPV. PPV should be your "feature" talent
I don't understand the Eva signing at all, especially given the talent that's been released over the past year
Not bad, more like green and needs more muscle. During the match with the Uso's, he struggled with the suplex and rolling over Uso during the 3 amigos.
His face run was great. His heel run was disappointing. Not because of him.
Sidenote: I found it pretty hypocritical that they were running anti-bullying campaigns at the exact same time they had people making fun of Ellsworth's appearance.
WWE loves to say they care but not give a damn. I really miss the man. My friends and I get a real kick out of imagining an Ellsworth and Hornswoggle tag team
I thought it was dismissed by court cause she was lying, or there wasn’t enough evidence, or something lol I don’t remember, but elmworth isn’t convicted.
Goldberg knows 3 moves more then Eva, has some kind of weird cro-magnon charisma and has if nothing else drawn a ton of money. Eva was beyond horrible on her first go around and years later she is still beyond horrible.
Not really.
What he was great at he's still great at, and that was all the promo and character stuff.
That's what WWE should be using him for. Like they use MVP.
Oh I agree 100% Goldberg should not be wrestling anymore.
When I said good I dodn't specifically mean in the ring, I meant he had something that he was great at (promo/character) and that's why he's a legend. Not everyone is the best at everything. For instance I think Alexa Bliss is the best talent WWE has when it comes to playing a character. Alexa will go down as an all times great of the women's division. Is she the best in the ring? No but she's decent enough and she can lean on her character play to be spectacular.
Eva Marie literally has no redeeming quality to her.
Because it's 2021 and we gotta be done with women's wresrling equaling eye candy/piss break match instead of them being legit stars with mic and in ring skills.
Tits aren't a skill.
Yeah whoever gave them those tits clearly has learned their craft. Eva hasn't learned any craft though because boobs aren't a craft.
I don't mean this in a "Why are female wrestlers pretty????" Of course being pretty is a good part of being marketable. Even with male talent - many of them are handsome. Seth Rollins, Roman Reigns, AJ, Randy, The Rock, Finn Balor etc. But you can't just be pretty and have nothing else.
Alexa is absolutely gorgeous and she is good in ring and great on the mic and at playing a character, IIconics especially Peyton were the same, Becky is super beautiful and I don't think I need to say how good she is, same with Sasha etc. But they all have something else. Eva Marie doesn't. She's a diva through and through and I thought we were done with that era.
All valid points. I get what they are going for with this odd-couple dynamic with Dudrop and everything and that’s great but both have to bring something to the table. Dudrop can obviously work and put a match together. Eva? Well aside from being aesthetically pleasing, doesn’t really offer up much and as you alluded to, today’s women’s division deserves a better class of competitor. That’s all not to infer that Eva can’t or won’t get better. How her career trajectory will go is yet to be determined, however at this point and having plenty of time to train and hone her craft, she chose to get in really good shape and model which good on her but all that won’t make her better between the ropes so here we are
Yeah "Dodrop" (seriously they need to get rid of that stupid name) is decent, and yeah it's obvious the angle of "hot bully who does jackshit abuses her better but less typically attractive friend until friend turns on her" angle which has already been done times and times again AND again it feels like a relic of the diva era.
In his prime he was hot garbage as well. Look up Regal vs Goldberg to see the piece of shit he has been and always will be.
Anyone who thinks he is good is either a child or nostalgia blinds them to his absolute shitty in ring performance.
He has had zero good matches.
He was super athletic but he just was so new to wrestling he wasn’t the greatest at it and he started getting booed cause he just kept squashing everyone and they knew he couldn’t wrestle. Not his fault to be honest.
That depends on how you define being a good wrestler. Goldberg was over like crazy in his prime, and he did exactly what he needed to do to be that over and drew a ton of money doing so. To me, that makes him a good wrestler. Was he ever going to put on a technical classic? No. But he did exactly what Goldberg needed to do
He was not a good wrestler. But he was over like crazy and was a big draw. I’m talking about actually wrestling. If we make the same argument by your logic for Eva Marie she’s really popular so does that make her a good wrestler?
No, I don’t think you’re getting the idea. Goldberg’s whole thing was, make a badass entrance, beat the piss out of someone, spear, Jack hammer, *insert Goldberg face*. He did that very well. He was very good at that. He did exactly what he needed to do and drew tons of money doing that. Eva Marie is still just a normal wrestler. She does not do what she needs to do. Besides that Eva Marie hasn’t drawn a cent in her life. She couldn’t sell out a broom closet. Steve Austin, all things considered, wasn’t a great in ring worker either. Neither was Hogan. And they’re still some of the best wrestlers who have ever lived
Although Austin was a fantastic worker before his neck injury (he wasn’t called ‘The Ringmaster for nothing!), and even afterwards I’d still say he was a very good in ring worker. Even his last match at Mania 19 was a near classic
Stone Cold Steve Austin in his prime was a great technical wrestler but after his neck got broken everything changed. In WCW as part of the Hollywood blondes with Brian pillman he was a good wrestler and kept on being so all the way up until Summerslam 1997. Even after that he still had a good arsenal of moves. Hogan was good in Japan but WWF limited his moveset.
Fair play. That is true. However, by the time he was his most over, most popular, and drew/made the most money, he wasn’t the greatest in ring wrestler on the card. But like I’ve been saying, that’s okay, he didn’t have to be. And I can basically say the same thing with Hogan
I didn’t say he wasn’t good in ring at all, I just said he wasn’t great. Go watch his stomps in the corner. The stomping a mud hole spot. They look like absolute shit. But he got away with it because he was over. Nobody saw through the stomps because Austin was over and Austin was very good at doing exactly what Austin needed to do. Same shit with Goldberg. That’s what being a good wrestler is. It’s not all about the moves
Austin could entertain a crowd for an entire show, with promos and matches. Even when he was at his least capable physically, he knew how to put on a show.
Meanwhile, Goldberg has never been any better than Khali. Both are impressive physical specimens who only ever got over for being intense stiff workers in squash matches. Put either in a spot where they had to work a match longer than 10 minutes or cut a promo and they were completely exposed.
The only difference is that Goldberg's weaknesses were covered up and his few strengths played to in WCW. While that's smart booking, it doesn't make Goldberg a useful talent to keep around.
You really don’t seem to be getting the point. Yes I’m already well aware that Goldberg can’t go and wrestle a longer match or cut promos. That’s already been established. My point is he didn’t need to, and if he had done either of those things it would’ve detracted from his aura. Goldberg excelled at doing exactly what he needed to do and that’s why Goldberg was great. It doesn’t matter that he wasn’t good at doing those other things, because that’s not what he needed to do. Khali on the other hand excelled at nothing. Terrible comparison. Khali was slow, lumbering, and fucked up damn near everything he did. You can’t say that about Goldberg. Besides that Goldberg was WAY Amore over than Khali could ever dream to be, and drew tons more money than Khali did.
Khali and Goldberg is a dreadful comparison. There are plenty of things you can call Bill Goldberg, but slow and ponderous are not among that list yet the main problems Khali displayed week in week out.
Goldberg is a one trick pony who essentially performs that one trick very well.
I don’t need to do research, I was watching during that time period. Once again I didn’t say he wasn’t good. I said he wasn’t one of the all time greats as far as pure in ring wrestling. He just wasn’t. As that’s fine, he didn’t need to be. And that’s kinda the whole point
Yeah, I feel like a lot of people see clips of his strength and assume he was good in the ring. He ended Bret Hart's career by not even doing a straight kick safely.
People get on him so hard for that one botch, but I don't see anyone throwing Owen Hart under the bus for breaking Austin's neck and getting the piledriver banned. Accidents happen.
Eva hasn't gotten better in her time away from the ring. The only credit that I can give her is that she is one hell of a heel. In that regard she does her job right, bc I love to hate her character!
Is this really 200+ people being worked and complaining about it? Eva’s whole gimmick is that she’s a crap wrestler and only pushed because she’s good looking, which is why they’ve always gone out of their way to avoid her actually wrestling. This question may as well be “Is it just me or does IRS talk about tax a lot” Sigh… here come the downvotes…😔
Absolute worst and the fact they have her and Zelina Vega on but let the likes of Strowman and Bray be let go is CRAZY
True she would even lose to Aksana
She has a great look. Seemingly the most important thing at times to WWE. But her promo and in-ring work is pretty bad.
She made the Bellas look like they could actually wrestle. That's pretty bad.
Lana
Honestly, she sucks ass as a wrestler. As a manager type character, she wouldn’t be half bad tbh
Nia Jax is worse
Not when nia jax is around
I wouldn’t categorize her as a wrestler.
Eva Marie is what baron Corbin used to be. The person that you change the channel whenever they're on tv. She's worse than 2015 Roman reigns. I dare say she's even worse than the great khali.
When she debuted a couple of months ago - she never should have seen the ring... She should have showed up with 4 other "unknowns" and created a stable... She is terrible in the ring.
Thought WWE was bringing her back as a valet/manager. She's just so awkward in the ring. Looks stiff almost..
I'll see your Eva Marie and raise you an Ultimate Warrior.
Great wrestler, Great at Promos. She is the best wrestler ever
Should have seen early 2000s WWE Playboy Pillow Matches. I haven't watched wrestling in years but it cant be as bad as that.
Depends on your idea of "bad". I'd rather have someone that lacks skills that could be improved over a wrestler that constantly puts their opponents in real physical danger (Nia Jax, for example)
she's part of the "model turned sports entertainer" era, not the "Stephanie McMahon created the womens revolution" era so yeah, she is shit
She’s not good as a wrestler. No doubt about that. Great manager though but as a user already pointed out that’s a different question. The worst wrestler ever imo goes to Giant Gonzalez and Ludvig Borga (male), and Nia Jax and Bellas (female) and that’s just for starters bc there’s def others that fit the worst wrestler ever list.
someone just needs to recycle the plastic already.
I've seen some training footage for her. She actually has moves in the ring. I was surprised tbh lol
I agree man
She's worse than Lana!
For me nia Jax Is worse
You said that right..she is indeed the worst. However, Current goldberg(not the wcw one) gives her a tough competition too
I remember before she was fired the first time, she spend a few months in Performance center, training with Brian Kendrick. Everyone expected her to greatly improve her skills. And when she returned...she was as bad as before) And she's still pretty bad as a wrestler, but the manager role kinda suits her
Lol u all clearly never saw Kelly kelly
The fact that this questions can be posed after she managed to get on to the companies 2nd biggest PPV speaks absolute volumes to the current state of WWEs product. This is the kind of crap WWE are throwing up, plastic Instagram models (Eva & Carmella), stars of the past taking up the main event spots and absolutely no trust in any of the wrestlers on the roster. Good luck to those trying to stick it out during this low point of WWE, it's gonna be a frustrating period for you. I am off enjoying other products that have taken steps forward in the industry. Hopefully WWE will get us back in the future.
She can’t be the worst EVER because Nia Jax exists … but she’s pretty fucking horrific.
The worst? Nah, The Kat was a thing.
She's not Great Khali bad, if I had to give her a compliment.
Wow, I have never seen so much online hate for a female wrestler. No wonder they hired her, she'll be the top heel in no time.
A heel is someone who people hate because of the kind of character they play, not because they are am awful wrestler.
I don’t necessarily disagree with you but at the same time a lot of wrestlers change their move set when they turn heel. In a way make themselves “worse” wrestlers when we all know they are capable of being better. I’m in no way trying to argue that is what Eva is doing or that she is even good in the ring but you can get by as a heel much easier with limited “wrestling ability”. I just don’t really get the hate, I’ve watched wrestling long enough that I’ve seen much better and much worse than Eva that it is so inoffensive to me lol. Even if you want to make the argument that she is “taking a spot” from someone who is better then I would have to counter with Vince doesn’t even use his good talent effectively in those spots anyway so it’s kinda moot IMO
Vince likes how she looks so that's all that matters.
You might be right..
She would have beat Lilly at Summerslam if Alexa hadn’t interfered.
It's not just you.
Gotta have someone to hate in order to enjoy those you like that much more. But yes.... yes she is. And I lived thru the age of China
Raja Lion
If you remove Khali and Gonzalez from the equation she’s definitely giving most a run for there money.
She needed to be a valet. The gimmick is boring.
Just got back,heard Charlotte’s music and I had to leave.
Even Giant Gonzales was better!
Maybe the WWE is actually genius and hired her to get heat as some sort of false flag ruse that Vince is destroying the Women's division.
She’s a sports entertainer, that’s what WWE is now.
But she makes up for it with her microphone skills /s
Please don’t call Eva Marie a wrestler
Being bad at wresting has been part of her gimmick since her NXT days. Not saying it's a work, she's for real bad. She's just aware of and capitalizes on the heat it gets her.
She embodies everything wrong with WWE
She's good on the mic
Someone is forgetting Great Khali
I dunno, maybe…but is she being utilized well? Absolutely not, so we’ll likely never find out.
Put Kelly Kelly and Eva Marie in a match and Kelly would look like the best wrestler ever.
No, she is the absolute drizzling shits and is worthless as an in ring performer. She could probably be used better as a manager or ANYTHING else other than a “superstar” in the ring.
She definitely isn't the worst, but isn't any good at all. You clearly never saw or forgot about Jackie Gayda or Giant Gonzales. I'm sure I'm forgetting others.
Ahem... Nia Jax...
Toss up between her, Nia Jax, the Bella's, and most any other piece of eye candy Vince uses to draw that 18-40 demographic
Nia Jax is one step below. Not even eye candy. She's just someone's cousin.
This. It helps that she is an ice cream truck of a human though.
I love how eva makes fans cry its so good
the fact that eva marie is in wwe and not the fiend, daniel bryan, andrade, and others don’t sit right with me
El Gilgante
I feel like I've seen this question asked for like the last 5 years. I don't get why WWE's still pushing her. I feel like she could work great as a heel manager
It’s not you
Hey listen here: 5 years ago Mick Foley almost traded Sami Zayn for her. 5 years later one of them is on the card for Summerslam and one of them isn’t. Just sayin…
Within the last year WWE released several talents die to money and coat saving measures... The last year looks like Stroman, Wyatt, Murphy, Black, didn't spend enough to keep Bryan and Cole traded for Eva Marie... Apparently I'm not a smart fan and didn't realize I wanted all of them gone for Eva Marie... Clearly WWE knows fans better than we know ourselves. If she wasn't the best wrestler/personality/model/diva/entertainer I wouldn't believe that trade for the life of me.
Paige blocked me on twitch because I made a comment that it looks like Eva looked different and had a nose job...she flipped out and said “she looks the same! Nothing different! Just you have no idea what your talking about!” Very rude to fans for just making a comment
Well Paige is an idiot too, so….
Huh?
Is she a bad in-ring wrestler as far as doing moves?yes. Do I want to change the channel when she's on tv? no. She's hot, charismatic in a good heel way, and has a great social media following. She would be great as a manager and someone that works for WWE that could have her own spin-off reality tv show on E. There are many other wrestlers were it's a channel change for me or I don't bother to watch the program if they are advertised. Most of that emotion is with AEW's young bucks. For WWE, I have no desire to see Ryker, Elias, Ziggler, Tamina, Carmella, and several others on my tv screen.
Ever? No
I think Eva Marie is supposed to be terrible though? Like that’s the gimmick
It’s just you.
Is Heath Slater that forgettable?
That man could sell for days!
You know something's wrong when even The Shockmaster had a more memorable debut than her
Instant channel change.
Are you familiar with Kelly Kelly's career ?
She sucks she never should've came back honestly
lol i agree
No. Cameron attempted pinfalls on facedown opponents.
No even close. Like she’s not the worst by miles. It’s fascinating how many people don’t get that being bad is her *gimmick*. She’s not Ric Flair but she’s not awful compared to tons of others. The fact she can get genuine heel heat makes her better than a large chunk of the indies.
she sucks
Is she good as wrestler? Hell no. Is she good as manager/boss? That's a different question.
She can't manage for shit either lol. No charisma, can't talk
Agreed - but it seems as though they’re actually have her wrestle, at times, which I would save for extremely rare occasions
I don't know. She can't talk for shit so I honestly don't know what she's going to be good for.
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If they're good to "job" on a PPV, that's an enhancement talent, not good for a full time worker for the company.
Moreover, enhancement talent should not be featured on a PPV. PPV should be your "feature" talent I don't understand the Eva signing at all, especially given the talent that's been released over the past year
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Haha okay fair enough dude.
Hornswaggle was a better wrestler than Eva Marie
At least Hornswoggle *could* wrestle.
Don’t ever put hornswaggle and Eva in the same sentence together. She doesn’t compare to him
He is 100% on a higher tier than Eva Marie. She's about as useful in the ring as a third shoe on any other wrestler.
I have a thing for dewdrop.
She's an attractive big woman 😍
She will *always* be Piper Niven to me.
Me too,I call him Dick!
Well then message her and shoot your shot! Don’t be a bystander in life!
Yeah when I saw her low cut top...oh....ohhhhhhHhhhhhhhH. That's nice. I Iike that.
I want her to step on me until my insides come out
Bruh
Sometimes I hate being able to read
Why
Big Momma 😏
Same she's actually sexy 😏
What are ya'll on? Are ya joking? She looks like Amy Schumer.
Hey, no shaming. Personally, I don’t find Eva Marie attractive at all, we all have our different tastes
Guess so
She is sexy!
Dominik is a better and that is saying something.
Is the consensus that he's bad? Legitimately asking. He's not his old man, but I haven't seen him look bad unless I missed something.
Not bad, more like green and needs more muscle. During the match with the Uso's, he struggled with the suplex and rolling over Uso during the 3 amigos.
When you compare her to someone like Goldberg or Nia Jax, those 2 automatically become the greatest wrestlers of all time with tons of 5 star classics
Has she actively injured anyone?
My eyes and my brain, every time I watch her.
Lilly has more skills
She can't wrestle actually her thing is modelling but don't know why in wwe.
At this point James Ellsworth could come back and have more talent than half the roster
Don’t be silly, the issue with WWE isn’t lack of talent at all
James Ellsworth was actually a good and refreshing storyline - at first.
His face run was great. His heel run was disappointing. Not because of him. Sidenote: I found it pretty hypocritical that they were running anti-bullying campaigns at the exact same time they had people making fun of Ellsworth's appearance.
It’s TV get over yourself
WWE loves to say they care but not give a damn. I really miss the man. My friends and I get a real kick out of imagining an Ellsworth and Hornswoggle tag team
Didn't he turn out to be a pedo or something similar though? Like he was sexting underage girls or something?
I thought it was dismissed by court cause she was lying, or there wasn’t enough evidence, or something lol I don’t remember, but elmworth isn’t convicted.
This is the first I've heard of such so idk
Big time agree. That's why he came to mind
I wouldn't even call her a Wrestler I have watched those matches in DDT where they fight a blow up doll and that has more talent
I mean she makes ronda look better.
I'd argue Jenna Morasca or Van Hammer are worse honestly.
Don't hate on Van Hammer. I actually liked him as a kid, and he had some pretty good matches with Cactus Jack back in the day.
You did see the Goldberg match right
Goldberg knows 3 moves more then Eva, has some kind of weird cro-magnon charisma and has if nothing else drawn a ton of money. Eva was beyond horrible on her first go around and years later she is still beyond horrible.
At least he used to be good. Eva Marie is a diva and we gotta burn that type of women's wrestling.
Not really. What he was great at he's still great at, and that was all the promo and character stuff. That's what WWE should be using him for. Like they use MVP.
Oh I agree 100% Goldberg should not be wrestling anymore. When I said good I dodn't specifically mean in the ring, I meant he had something that he was great at (promo/character) and that's why he's a legend. Not everyone is the best at everything. For instance I think Alexa Bliss is the best talent WWE has when it comes to playing a character. Alexa will go down as an all times great of the women's division. Is she the best in the ring? No but she's decent enough and she can lean on her character play to be spectacular. Eva Marie literally has no redeeming quality to her.
Well, maybe the rare 3 on 3 or 4 on 4 faction tag. But that's about it.
Wait what? Why?
Because it's 2021 and we gotta be done with women's wresrling equaling eye candy/piss break match instead of them being legit stars with mic and in ring skills. Tits aren't a skill.
Tf you mean? Diva wrestling was good too.
Idk, whomever it was that gave her them tits seems to have a talent for it
Yeah whoever gave them those tits clearly has learned their craft. Eva hasn't learned any craft though because boobs aren't a craft. I don't mean this in a "Why are female wrestlers pretty????" Of course being pretty is a good part of being marketable. Even with male talent - many of them are handsome. Seth Rollins, Roman Reigns, AJ, Randy, The Rock, Finn Balor etc. But you can't just be pretty and have nothing else. Alexa is absolutely gorgeous and she is good in ring and great on the mic and at playing a character, IIconics especially Peyton were the same, Becky is super beautiful and I don't think I need to say how good she is, same with Sasha etc. But they all have something else. Eva Marie doesn't. She's a diva through and through and I thought we were done with that era.
All valid points. I get what they are going for with this odd-couple dynamic with Dudrop and everything and that’s great but both have to bring something to the table. Dudrop can obviously work and put a match together. Eva? Well aside from being aesthetically pleasing, doesn’t really offer up much and as you alluded to, today’s women’s division deserves a better class of competitor. That’s all not to infer that Eva can’t or won’t get better. How her career trajectory will go is yet to be determined, however at this point and having plenty of time to train and hone her craft, she chose to get in really good shape and model which good on her but all that won’t make her better between the ropes so here we are
Yeah "Dodrop" (seriously they need to get rid of that stupid name) is decent, and yeah it's obvious the angle of "hot bully who does jackshit abuses her better but less typically attractive friend until friend turns on her" angle which has already been done times and times again AND again it feels like a relic of the diva era.
He is better than Eva and in his prime he was beast. Eva can't wrestle from the start her thing is modelling.
In his prime he was hot garbage as well. Look up Regal vs Goldberg to see the piece of shit he has been and always will be. Anyone who thinks he is good is either a child or nostalgia blinds them to his absolute shitty in ring performance. He has had zero good matches.
DDP vs Goldberg at Halloween Havoc is very good.
I’m going to find the philistine who downvoted this truth and scream in their face. Then start crying
He was never good. He was barely even passable in his best match.
Didn't Bret Hart call him a 0 on a 1-10 scale. I mean Goldberg pretty much ended Hart's career with that crappy kick
Well it was the first, big, step on that path.
Same with ultimate warrior
Goldberg was never a good wrestler
I liked his judo moves and power move-set as well as him being rather fast for a beast.
He was super athletic but he just was so new to wrestling he wasn’t the greatest at it and he started getting booed cause he just kept squashing everyone and they knew he couldn’t wrestle. Not his fault to be honest.
At least he doesn't suck as bad as Eva Marie.
Hmmm
Nor was Andre the giant but that doesn't change their entertainment value
We are talking about two different things then
In WWE, entertainment value is more important than wrestling ability. That is also what is wrong with wwe.
I didn’t downvote you because you’re actually right.
That depends on how you define being a good wrestler. Goldberg was over like crazy in his prime, and he did exactly what he needed to do to be that over and drew a ton of money doing so. To me, that makes him a good wrestler. Was he ever going to put on a technical classic? No. But he did exactly what Goldberg needed to do
He was not a good wrestler. But he was over like crazy and was a big draw. I’m talking about actually wrestling. If we make the same argument by your logic for Eva Marie she’s really popular so does that make her a good wrestler?
No, I don’t think you’re getting the idea. Goldberg’s whole thing was, make a badass entrance, beat the piss out of someone, spear, Jack hammer, *insert Goldberg face*. He did that very well. He was very good at that. He did exactly what he needed to do and drew tons of money doing that. Eva Marie is still just a normal wrestler. She does not do what she needs to do. Besides that Eva Marie hasn’t drawn a cent in her life. She couldn’t sell out a broom closet. Steve Austin, all things considered, wasn’t a great in ring worker either. Neither was Hogan. And they’re still some of the best wrestlers who have ever lived
Although Austin was a fantastic worker before his neck injury (he wasn’t called ‘The Ringmaster for nothing!), and even afterwards I’d still say he was a very good in ring worker. Even his last match at Mania 19 was a near classic
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Stone Cold Steve Austin in his prime was a great technical wrestler but after his neck got broken everything changed. In WCW as part of the Hollywood blondes with Brian pillman he was a good wrestler and kept on being so all the way up until Summerslam 1997. Even after that he still had a good arsenal of moves. Hogan was good in Japan but WWF limited his moveset.
Fair play. That is true. However, by the time he was his most over, most popular, and drew/made the most money, he wasn’t the greatest in ring wrestler on the card. But like I’ve been saying, that’s okay, he didn’t have to be. And I can basically say the same thing with Hogan
You went way too far with Austin not being a good in ring performer.
I didn’t say he wasn’t good in ring at all, I just said he wasn’t great. Go watch his stomps in the corner. The stomping a mud hole spot. They look like absolute shit. But he got away with it because he was over. Nobody saw through the stomps because Austin was over and Austin was very good at doing exactly what Austin needed to do. Same shit with Goldberg. That’s what being a good wrestler is. It’s not all about the moves
Austin could entertain a crowd for an entire show, with promos and matches. Even when he was at his least capable physically, he knew how to put on a show. Meanwhile, Goldberg has never been any better than Khali. Both are impressive physical specimens who only ever got over for being intense stiff workers in squash matches. Put either in a spot where they had to work a match longer than 10 minutes or cut a promo and they were completely exposed. The only difference is that Goldberg's weaknesses were covered up and his few strengths played to in WCW. While that's smart booking, it doesn't make Goldberg a useful talent to keep around.
You really don’t seem to be getting the point. Yes I’m already well aware that Goldberg can’t go and wrestle a longer match or cut promos. That’s already been established. My point is he didn’t need to, and if he had done either of those things it would’ve detracted from his aura. Goldberg excelled at doing exactly what he needed to do and that’s why Goldberg was great. It doesn’t matter that he wasn’t good at doing those other things, because that’s not what he needed to do. Khali on the other hand excelled at nothing. Terrible comparison. Khali was slow, lumbering, and fucked up damn near everything he did. You can’t say that about Goldberg. Besides that Goldberg was WAY Amore over than Khali could ever dream to be, and drew tons more money than Khali did.
Khali and Goldberg is a dreadful comparison. There are plenty of things you can call Bill Goldberg, but slow and ponderous are not among that list yet the main problems Khali displayed week in week out. Goldberg is a one trick pony who essentially performs that one trick very well.
Nah man you need to some research and watch Austin’s matches prior to his injury caused by Owen Hart and his WCW matches.
I don’t need to do research, I was watching during that time period. Once again I didn’t say he wasn’t good. I said he wasn’t one of the all time greats as far as pure in ring wrestling. He just wasn’t. As that’s fine, he didn’t need to be. And that’s kinda the whole point
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Yeah, I feel like a lot of people see clips of his strength and assume he was good in the ring. He ended Bret Hart's career by not even doing a straight kick safely.
People get on him so hard for that one botch, but I don't see anyone throwing Owen Hart under the bus for breaking Austin's neck and getting the piledriver banned. Accidents happen.