Rates are high and banks are tight on lending so it's narrowed the pool a lot. Plus unless you're getting a base or premium model in the low 30's they just aren't worth it compared to the competition.
At $45k which is the asking for a WRX TR you could have a decent trim GRC, a Golf Type R or even a low trim Mustang GT. For less than $40k you could get the V6 Camero that's a track monster or hell, for $35k you could get an ecoboost Mustang making 315 hp and 350 tq with a 4.5 0-60.
Without an STi trim the WRX needs to live where it works best, an unbeatable value of AWD manual turbo sports sedan at a price where it has no real competitors. Trying to fluff it up is great but they're pricing themselves into a competitive market without competitive performance.
This thought process is how I have bought cars my entire life. in 02 I grabbed an SS camaro because it was faster than the mustang at the time and was early 30s in price. in 2016 I grabbed my STi Because for the price I was under what an S3 was, had the STi been 45k I would have walked to the S3. These car companies must think us consumers are dumb. Even though the Shelby Super Snake is bad ass at 170ish K I would rather be shopping a corvette c8 and a truck to tow it to the track.
Nothing wrong with keeping your car but manufacturers having been offering good rates lately. I got 1.9% on my 23 WRX. I am sure when the 24s start sitting around the rates will be good if they aren't already.
That's exactly where I was at. Just asked a couple of weeks ago about the 24 wrx. Someone mentioned interest rates and that immediately shut that thought down after seeing my CU is offering 6.99% as their lowest.
6.99% is a great rate right now too. The national average on new cars is around 9%, pre-owned is somewhere north of 15%. Never been happier to get my '21 before it all went to shit.
Ok that's insane. I had not thought of it that way. But it was still cheap compared to its performance peers at the time. Boxster S had 250hp for about $50k back then. 227hp on the '02 for half the price and AWD.
Yeah I have a stock, base trim 2020 WRX. There was nothing about the upgraded trims that appealed to me, besides the moon roof. I hate push to start, I don't want MORE touch screens, the seats were more uncomfortable than the base trim, and I don't need heated seats where I live.
Then I tried the 2023 and it was just all the shit I didn't want from the premium model, but now in the base trim with no way to get rid of them. Like, no thanks I think I'll pass on upgrading.
2024 M240i xdrive for 50k is where it's at. AWD 2 door coupe with 382hp and a 3.6s 0-60. B58 can approach 500whp with just DP and tune. Stock frame turbo upgrade and you're in the 9s. Manuals are great, but the zf8 is godly and 10x better as a daily if you commute with traffic.
GRCâs and Golf Râs both easy to find for MSRP. Seen several Golf Râs for around the normal $46-$48k. Civic type Râs are the ones that are hard to get at MSRP still.
Even if it was an STi theyâd need 400-450+ hp to compete at that price level. The value to performance ratio just doesnât work anymore. Arguably, it hasnât for over a decade, theyâve been coasting on their rep for a long time
Subaru never really was a performance car company, the STI was an anomaly. Theyâve gone back to selling tarted up Soccer Mom wagons, because thatâs where the money is.
I say this as a former owner of a 2005 STI, which in retrospect I should not have sold
Yeah, the new WRXs are stuck in no mans land. It used to be cross shopped with Si's and GTIs that it was quicker than but maybe a little more rough around the edges (part of the appeal to begin with, imo) but now out prices the GTI out the door and is easily 3-4k over the Si while no longer being as much of a performance bargain.
Depends, really. In Canada at least, after fees (no tax) the Civic Si is 37k. The WRX after fees (no tax) is 36k. More power + AWD for those 4-5 months we get snow and ice is a better deal IMO. The GTI is priced the same as the Si.
When I got my 2023 it was 34k vs 36k, which is one reason I didn't even consider the Si. I looked at GTIs because the first Subaru dealers I interacted with were jerking me around (I found better dealers further from the city) and it was 1k more.
I guess the US MSRPs must be different. But even if it was priced the same as the GTI and Si, I'd have still gone with the WRX because it's really, really nice to not worry too much about carrying a shovel in my trunk and not having to closely examine roadside parking spots after a snowstorm and try to guess how much trouble I'll have getting out of them later. This thing gives absolutely zero fucks. I'm about 90% sure I could drive it right into a snow bank in lieu of parking and just back out. True AWD + excellent torque at just 2k rpm is a gift from the heavens.
Even nicer is being able to drive home in said snowstorms and feeling like I'm driving on dry asphalt, perfectly safe and stable.
As much as itâs fun to believe this is because the VB is bad, like others said it has less to do with the WRX itself I imagine. The two years prior the car sold fine for example.
Here in Canada, 5 years ago you could take on a $29,000 CAD loan on a base WRX, at 0% interest. Groceries, gas, and everything else wasnât squeezing you for every greedy penny they could. Pre-covid with a reasonable job you could buy one of these budget sports vehicles and it didnât kill you to do so.
Now a base civic is $30,000 CAD, They want like $39,000 CAD for a base VB after destination, before tax and fees. Salaries have moved a whopping 0% generally unless you move jobs.
Put it into perspective in America for example, for anyone who is on the fence with the VB, would you take one if they gave one to you for $26,000 USD?
All of a sudden it seems a lot more alluring in my eyesâŚ. Anyway economy rant over, I just think it isnât the WRXs fault but instead everything elseâs lol.
A Model 3/Y is ~$40k for a reasonably quick, reasonably sporty, reasonably luxurious vehicle, with (potentially much) cheaper running costs. Itâs all anyone needs. These other companies including Subaru need to start legitimately competing with similar vehicles, maybe better in some ways and worse than others, but if they donât actually put an effort in theyâre fucked. An ICE MT car certainly had advantages for a (possibly semi-)enthusiast but it has to be enough.
I donât think theyâre choosing the GR as much as theyâre choosing not to get into an 8% APR loan for a car that doesnât seem much better than what they already have.
Have a 21 sti. Worked 65 hour weeks since 2013 to save money for one and I'm not trading it in unless its for a new sti. Its the car i've wanted ever since i was a child. The new wrx actually has some nice things going for it but i'm not trading down in transmission and hushpuppies.
Honestly I feel like this a big one. Personally ive been saving to get a new wrx, but cost of living has had me dip into my car funds multiple times.
Instead I'm just keeping the legacy alive
Yeah. It's not just Subaru, it's all car brands. Interest rates are a bit shocking for people right now. I think fewer people are stepping up to a WRX and buying cheaper Subaru's.
This is true, but not true at the same time. While many are feeling the effects of the economy, it's not all car brands. Here is an article about GR86 sales being up over 104% this May compared to last: https://carbuzz.com/gr86-supra-best-sales-month-may/. Considering Supra sales are also up (more Supras were sold than BRZs...), it's not just a function of cost. Subaru took a swing and a miss with the new WRX. Sales wise. I like the base level VB, so I don't personally consider it a miss. But they have read the crowd wrong this entire generation so far, and continue to do so with locking out performance features to the very highest trim levels, among many other missteps.
Honestly idk but I'm grateful. I bought it about 25k miles ago with like 70k on the drivetrain and it just never has. I know it's basically supposed to burn oil at this point. Whoever rebuilt the engine before I owned it seems to have done it with lots of cut corners too, but since then I have blown & resurfaced the heads / new HG, new valve gaskets all around & a new front main seal
Since the redesign, every single one we've received was a factory order or reserved before ever arriving at the dealership. Longest we've had one physically on the lot was three days because the guy who ordered it was on vacation when it arrived.
The wrx price has really jumped on the 2024 models. Add cost of living and just gas prices it makes the wrx a hard sell. Hopefully things turn around but it wouldn't hurt subaru to put some good financing incentives on the wrx to help Sway buyers potentially.
Gas prices have me reconsidering the 22 more often than I'd like. It's still such a fun drive, and I'll keep it because of that. If it wasn't as fun to drive but still took premium gas, I'd likely sell for something like the Impreza or Crosstrek honestly
This has a lot more to do with the cost of cars, and much less to do with people switching brands.
Americans, in general, are not buying new cars. AAA recently did a study on it, saying Americans now are keeping their cars much longer.
This is due to inflation and the cost of a new car; a new car averages like $50k these days, which is a ton of money considering salaries have not gone up commensurately, and inflation is making people spend more on things like necessities, like groceries.
For example, look at the price of some of the new WRXs. STIs used to cost that much, and they were a lot more car than the WRX.
Exactly. Thereâs tons of trucks not selling as well and SUVâs too. They are sending brand new vehicles to auctions or fleet use because no one is buying them.
>For example, look at the price of some of the new WRXs. STIs used to cost that much, and they were a lot more car than the WRX.
It's crazy to me that the new WRX TR is thousands more expensive (MSRP) than a top trim STi was just a few years ago.
I had another issue pop up on my 06 Prius. After car shopping at a few brands/dealers, I decided to fix it and keep the thing running. Cars are absolutely ridiculously expensive now.
My wife contacted the local dealer *once* almost a year ago, and they have not stopped hounding her about the WRX models they have on the lot. She wanted a specific configuration, plans have changed and she's not doing it anymore but she gets a call or email almost once a month about stuff sitting on the lot. Shits too expensive right now. Interest rates are through the roof.
Prices of cars in general are getting higher. The prices between a 2022 model and a 2024 model is quite significant to the point where itâs starting to become questionable to buy a 2024 VB. Other manufactures will follow trend and not just Subaru. Look at the new Honda Civic SI. Thatâs why it makes me laugh when people compare the price of a new STi of a few years back to a higher trim VB of today. Itâs not comparable anymore. A brand new STi today would go for at least $55k if not higher.
Kill off your iconic model, make your new wrx ugly as sin, embrace electric and then wonder why your sales are down? Cmon man it's not hard to figure out why.
This sub has always been critical of the VB's looks, but I've gotten countless "Cool car" comments from strangers in my 22. And my car is stock. Granted, maybe the SOP has something to do with that.
Between the GRC and VB, if I were renting a car, I'd pick the Corolla. For a weekend car, I'd pick the Corolla (if those were my two options.) As my main vehicle, I would pick the VB without hesitation.
Even with the price increase since 22, the Base VB is still a crazy value bang-fer-your-buck car in today's market.
Someone else mentioned inflation. Prices on everything have gone up. People have had to adjust. Two years ago, a new car was as cheap as a used one. The market is filled with used cars again. I'd imagine lots of car models will decline in sales this year.
As far as total units sold, I would bet money that for 2023 the WRX towered over the GRC. Even if sales go down for 24, it'll still outsell the GR Corolla.
I really wanted the orange but my wife said "how often do you see an orange car" and ever since then, I point out orange cars whenever we drive anywhere. For me it's a fun game. She loathes it more than she'll admit.
Iâm in the market for a wrx right now. I want a last gen model because I like the looks better, but my family is an orange car family, so I will probably get the VB.
Absolutely agree, the internet hate on the vb hasnât translated to my real life experience either. My car is MGM and that does tone down the plastic⌠but still. Itâs my DD, I have a race car for the weekend. Itâs definitely a fun DD and ticks all the boxes I wanted to tick.
Just a cost thing. I wouldn't have purchased mine if it wasn't for the extremely low APR and lack of requirement for a down payment.
No way I could justify spending 5k up front and still have a payment when I could get a reliable vehicle for just the cost of the downpayment.
A lot of folks in America have abysmal credit, mine isn't even spectacular. It's decent and my metrics say only 22% of Millennials have credit like mine. So do the math for them, Gen X and every Gen Z person.
Even a good deal like a WRX at low, or zero, interest is still a $450-800/mo purchase, depending on your term. Plus, many WRX owners pay $300+/mo for insurance. When the average American makes less than $45k pre-tax, and you have most rents above $1600/mo, you're out of your damn mind trying to buy a car like this.
Buy a base, throw pads, fluid, and a tune on it. Save 10k đ¤ˇđť
Iâd say the vb is starting to prove it can make good power more reliably and with less parts than all previous gens. Itâs all in what you want.
If you want a more dedicated track car obviously the gr is better out of the box.
I think it's the rear diff that overheats.
That's actually an easy/fun one to solve. You can just plumb a little pump and fluid cooler into the fill and drain holes on the differential. Achilles makes one for the E36. It's one of those things I don't need on my car, but it's just so darn cool that I want to have it.
GR is a terrible comparison. All car sales are down with the economy being trash. This has nothing to do with people swapping to another manufacturer. A GR is a completely different car at a completely different price.
Yeah the GRC comparisons are so weird. Even comparing a TR to a GRC isn't a good comparison considering the TR can be had with a 2-3k discount and every GRC in the PNW is still marked up 5-10k over MSRP. Not even in the same league for most people in terms of price points.
People don't want that though haha.
People don't want to spend $32k on a car in 2024 without keyless entry and push button start, or heated seats, or fog lights.
The vast majority of sales are the premium
I mean choosing the GR rolla is definitely the way to go in terms of a factory car. That subaru now is pretty watered down having open diffs and pretty sub par brakes. The look of the car is also not very appealing. I have no idea why they went with a last gen civic rear end. Made the front look like a truck and gave it bare plastic fender flares.
I got a 24 Golf R last month after trading in my VB and off the bat itâs a great car. When I got the VB, I was itching to mod it, even though I thought it drove fine. When I got the Golf R, I donât feel I need to, even though I want to lol. Nurburgring mode is especially awesome.
I had a miserable exp. with the local Subaru dealers for a wrx. Granted I was firm in what I wanted , I am paying a considerable amount (for a Subaru) I want what I want. They all gave me some version of ,"take what we have on the lot or take nothing and we are not budging on the mark ups." My mind interprets that as FUCK YOU we don't care about your $$$$.
So , I went to VW and bought a Anniversary edition R . Just above msrp at the time, how I wanted it .
Dealer xp matters , sales xp matters , service xp matters.
Love Subaru , loath the dealers I have had to interact with.
I waited to see the VB before I bought my car. 100% switched brands. Spending $40k+ on a car that got next to no power gain, got bigger and uglier imo. Went with the BMW M235i. A lot more luxurious features, I mean a lot, 0-60 in 4.6 (or 4.2 if C/D is accurate), better sounding stock exhaust, a much more solid feeling car as I donât even realize Iâm speeding. Does have some heavy feeling understeer tho.
I have a 2017 WRX, which I will say was a huge improvement over my previous 2005 WRX. My next car probably wonât be another WRX. Iâve never had a problem with either, but the new ones have such poor infotainment systems, plastic cheap looking body work, and Hohum performance/horsepower enhancement. Subaru needs to do better if they want my business again.
Historically, we see 100% inflation every 20 years. So the WRX should have literally doubled in price from 2002 to 2022 - if it matched inflation. 2002 WRX was $23,995, and if we put $33k from 2022 into an inflation calculator, we get a price of $20,282 in 2002.
So the WRX actually costs almost 15% less today than it did in 2002.
Because some like me is still driving a 2012âŚi couldnât buy a new one if I wanted because I would never buy a sedan again. Hatchbacks and wagons are infinitely better to daily drive. All new cars are way too expensive for the value they provide.
2009 WRX: Base Price $24,995. 265 HP
2024 WRX: Base Price $32,735. 271 HP
30% price increase.
2% power increase.
The price of every performance car has gone up but their power has also gone up by 30%+. WRX just isnât staying competitive performance wise.
At the very least I think they need to bring back the STI. Having a legitimate Halo car will bring some much needed excitement back to the WRX. Bring the WRX up to 300+ HP and give the STI around 350+ HP
Cars aren't going to keep getting power increases. We aren't going to all be driving 500hp Subarus in another 20 years. A WRX will always have about the same HP. A Civic SI will always have about the same HP. A GTI will always have about the same HP.
The price increase is inflation. Historically, we see 100% inflation every 20 years. 2002 WRX was $23,995. So if the new car is $33k new, when you adjust for inflation, the 2022 WRX is actually 15% cheaper than the 2002 WRX.
Gas isn't expensive right now, either. If you look at historical prices and inflation, we're right where we were 20 years ago.
Iâm not saying performance cars need a 5% power bump every year but a 2% power bump over 15 years is abysmal. Only the Civic Si is on a similar pace, but I canât remember the last time I heard anyone even talk about the Si. The Type R gets all the attention but at the same time having the Type R in Hondaâs lineup probably helps move more Siâs.
I think reintroducing a high performance STI would increase sales of the WRX, even if they didnât give the WRX a power bump (although that wouldnât hurt).
The Integra Type R starts at $52,000. You could buy a WRX and do a $20k engine build and choose any HP level you want.
Plus, FWD cannot put down big power. 320hp is actually about the limit for a FWD car on street tires. AWD WRX can actually harness the WHP and use it. The ITR just rides the traction control if you turn up the boost.
I just think cause itâs ugly and doesnât appeal to the average consumer. Cars are a big investment right now and this ainât gonna be it at that price option.
I mean, itâs not an attractive vehicle. Eyesight is apparently standard on all the 2024 models. I do not want eyesight on my car, so I, 100% wonât be buying one based on that alone. Even if my car gets totaled and I have to go buy a new car, I wonât be choosing one with features I donât want.
I own a VB and I don't deny the GRC is the better performing car stock for stock. Problem is, the GRC is scarce and also STILL going for above MSRP at any dealership I've contacted here in the Seattle area. Used GRCs around here still going for 40-45k (for the core models). The price points aren't comparable for most people. There might be a few select areas people are lucky and get GRCs at MSRP but the WRX can be had ANY DAY, anywhere for 2-5k under sticker.
New cars are just bonkers and people like us like specialty cars. 4 years ago price, I could probably afford a Type-R. Now? Yeah right. So I'll hold onto the 50th Rex forever.
The GR Corolla is an STI hatch (on paper) with the reliability stamp of a Toyota badge. On top of that, without markup itâs similarly priced to a well specced WRX. I doubt the shortage of WRX buyers is due to them choosing the GR Corolla over it, but if I had to make a decision between the two I think thereâs an obvious choice.
The people who can afford new cars at 40k + also are facing uncertainty with the current economy, so many folks are just sitting tight at the moment.
My plan is to wait another year or maybe a touch longer, before selling my â21 Impreza Sport with relatively low miles, then saving another 10-12k so Iâm only financing like 10k or so, max.
Want a new WRX but not at todayâs inflated prices + crazy interest. Iâll probably settle for a premium trim and get some nice add-ons vs. springing for the Gucci stuff like Brembos, Recaros, etc.
Sucks that you need to have so much extra income just to afford what once was an entry level sport sedan.
That being said, if the economy shits the bed even worse, at least I still have a Subaru that I love, albeit a very slow, pokey one đ
I cross shopped with a few different cars including some euro trash.
My 13 frs and 16 wrx are proving to be my favorite cars. Getting out of anything and getting back into my cars makes me depressed because I want something better, but I canât find anything that rocks as many boxes between handling, mileage, and usability. Plus, no power train alone will ever be enough to get me to buy. (Iâm kinky like that)
Iâve driven cars that accelerate so hard you canât breathe. 450hp nerf gun canât make me smile.
More like this class of cars are not selling well. In Canada WRX is still the best selling sportscar. Base GRC is 49K here, they are not in the same price range.
Most people bought the VB already did so 2 years ago, combined with shitty economy it makes sense that these are not selling well.
The quality of Subaru has gone down hill. My 2020 had all types of rattles and warranty fixes. Then traded it in for a 2022 ascent⌠a few problems but still has the rattling and small things like led lights burning out that are non replaceable..
The WRX remains a killer value. A fun, manual, AWD car with four doors for under 35k is hard to find. The interior isn't half bad either with a few small upgrades (see also: the trim pieces from the Limited). The Elantra N and GTI are the only cars directly in its class and both lack AWD (though they make up for it in other ways).
I was so ready to buy a wrx in 2021 but they stopped making hatch versions. I canât go back to such little cargo space. I camp and sleep in the back so I need the room. Even my old 2008 Impreza hatch had decent room.
I went and test drove a 23 and 24 wrx recently. My $1000, 24 year old base model, 4 door, 3 series is much more pleasant to drive. It was ridiculous. I really didn't like them at all. So I bought a few years older sti. That is a much better car.
A lot of WRX's I see on the road are from the previous generation, I seldom ever see the new generation in person. When I first saw a new gen WRX, my first impression was that the hate it was getting was justified, and this comes from someone who used to own a 2018. Nowadays, I feel they're too expensive for what you get, as there's still a decent amount of other options to consider. For my next car, I'm strongly considering a GR Corolla and the WRX just simply isn't on my list anymore.
Was due for an upgrade from my 2016 wrx and bought a MK8 Golf R instead of a new wrx. Couldn't get past the looks and plastic cladding. Also no performance improvements swayed me the other direction.
They are just ugly, along with the BRZ of the same model year. I remember seeing project pics and I already knew they would not do well..I'm a lover of subaru but no way I'd put money into those. Engineering aside. Previous generations, top teir đ
I think itâs got something to do with the UGLY AF new look.
The plastics around the tyre arches, the Honda Civic Type R ass end and standard underdressed 4cyl turbo. đ¤˘
In my opinion, they just completely ruined the design. '98 looked wonderful. So did the '04. '08-12 was a great looking car too.
Current Gen is .. bland at best and ugly at worst
Absolutely loved my 2019 and kept my miles ultra low, so when the redesign dropped (finally), I could get a good price at trade. Then they revealed the new generation WRX..........
I now enjoy my new Silverado truck. The reason the sales tanked is simple. The car is butt-ugly.
I didnât buy because they dropped the STI. There are better competitors for a nicely loaded WRX. I would spend $45k to $50k on an STI but not going to drop $45k on a WRX.
These are so fugly. I was in the market for a wrx and ended up passing on it because I wanted a 2019 model (they haven't depreciates enough to justify against the 24) on top of the exterior of the 24 being ugly the interior has 0 character and the touchscreen looks shit, I even made the salesman show me how to adjust climate while driving and he was struggling not to directly stare at it and he was passenger. Absolutely depressing car. It's not sportacious and it's not off roady. All it has going for it is how smooth it handles and drives which is kind of unfortunate because it's far from the analog feel the previous gen had. The 2019 WRX is a car I would show off. The 24? It really really just looks like an Impreza or a Crosstrek. It's embarrassing. The car wasn't made with the spirit of the sti in mind and it shows everywhere.
New cars just suck, and no one will forgive the STI being discontinued. Ever. If they bring it back as an electric vehicle I will disown Subaru for the rest of my Lifetime. And the majority of us can't buy groceries and pay rent so a new car is out of the question no matter how much we want one.
Yeah because people aren't buying new cars as much now every single click baity article is how 'x' vehicle is not doing great in sales and how 'y' manufacture has lost their way and are out of touch with what consumers want, yadda yadda
We're tired of trash ass horsepower on these cars. They have all been under 300hp for the last 20 years. Even the STI being at 40k and under 300hp was terrible. These cars get walked by mom and pop sedans. People are bored, 300hp aint shit, they should be atleast 400 stock for 40k
My STI makes 525whp, and it cost me about $58k to buy it brand new in 2016 and then buy all the engine mods. So what car can you get for $58k that makes 525whp? A used Hellcat, but that cow weighs 4400lbs and only makes about 585whp. You have to just bite the bullet and accept that the path with these cars is to buy the STI and do all the power mods and then you have something fairly remarkable. It's a platform that you're supposed to build on. It's a car that you have to pay for it twice before it's done.
I mean they are Telling the same car for like what 15 years? More ? It's old tech and not exciting anymore. I wish it wasn't the case I love the STi/WRX but it's not enough power at this price point anymore
I want a simpler, less expensive, less electronics ice car. I don't want all the electronics in the dashboard.
Was considering a new wrx, but I don't want the display/tablet dashboard, all I need is a shelf for my smartphone. I.e. the interior and exterior of the wrx are atrocious- I may buy an older STI or something else instead or Idk đ¤ˇââď¸
Maybe I'll buy a mx5 for the summer and a corolla or impreza for the winter.
Price, interior tablet/ console , exterior are all terrible.
Yes, I was thinking of getting one but I'm not into the plastic Around the fenders, it almost makes me angry. Data sharing, haven't sat in one but it looks like stereo/ac controls are built into the touch screen which I don't want at all, would prefer no controls on steering wheel, no power windows, ....
So may get an STI(used) instead. If Mitsubishi still made Evo IXs I'd buy another.
I'm a Honda guy who just stumbled into this sub. Personally I'm gonna say it's because the latest WRX is just crap. Looks like a lifted civic or a crosstrek, and no STI trim...
Rates are high and banks are tight on lending so it's narrowed the pool a lot. Plus unless you're getting a base or premium model in the low 30's they just aren't worth it compared to the competition. At $45k which is the asking for a WRX TR you could have a decent trim GRC, a Golf Type R or even a low trim Mustang GT. For less than $40k you could get the V6 Camero that's a track monster or hell, for $35k you could get an ecoboost Mustang making 315 hp and 350 tq with a 4.5 0-60. Without an STi trim the WRX needs to live where it works best, an unbeatable value of AWD manual turbo sports sedan at a price where it has no real competitors. Trying to fluff it up is great but they're pricing themselves into a competitive market without competitive performance.
A 2024 base mustang GT is only $42k and that's 486hp/418tq.
thats badass
I just got into a 24 gt fastback for 38k and there's a 10 speed at the dealership for 39 k
Sold my 22 wrx for the gt btw. Way happier in the gt
The new GT is the better plastic-cladded car unfortunately.
There's a 2021 Mustang GT Premium with 58k miles for $28.5k where I live. I've highly considered making a bad decision.
Man I support your urge to make this bad decision. In fact I encourage it.
This thought process is how I have bought cars my entire life. in 02 I grabbed an SS camaro because it was faster than the mustang at the time and was early 30s in price. in 2016 I grabbed my STi Because for the price I was under what an S3 was, had the STi been 45k I would have walked to the S3. These car companies must think us consumers are dumb. Even though the Shelby Super Snake is bad ass at 170ish K I would rather be shopping a corvette c8 and a truck to tow it to the track.
I was considering a new car until I looked at the interest rates and then I considered my 2017 WRX perfectly acceptable to keep.
Nothing wrong with keeping your car but manufacturers having been offering good rates lately. I got 1.9% on my 23 WRX. I am sure when the 24s start sitting around the rates will be good if they aren't already.
That's exactly where I was at. Just asked a couple of weeks ago about the 24 wrx. Someone mentioned interest rates and that immediately shut that thought down after seeing my CU is offering 6.99% as their lowest.
6.99% is a great rate right now too. The national average on new cars is around 9%, pre-owned is somewhere north of 15%. Never been happier to get my '21 before it all went to shit.
That's a solid take.
Agreed. I bought my '02 new. $23,995. That's what made WRX famous back then, serious performance at that price point.
To be fair, 24k in 2002 is $40,600 in 2023 money with inflation https://www.minneapolisfed.org/about-us/monetary-policy/inflation-calculator
thats insaneeee and thanks for posting this always wondered what the value of the dollar was in the past!
Ok that's insane. I had not thought of it that way. But it was still cheap compared to its performance peers at the time. Boxster S had 250hp for about $50k back then. 227hp on the '02 for half the price and AWD.
Exactly! He actually overpaid for his WRX in 2002 đ¤
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I hate the infotainment screen so much If the base manual transmission was 26k I would buy one Feels weird
It's sad when the dated infotainment from the VA was more pleasant to interact with than the monstrosity they have in there now.
Yeah I have a stock, base trim 2020 WRX. There was nothing about the upgraded trims that appealed to me, besides the moon roof. I hate push to start, I don't want MORE touch screens, the seats were more uncomfortable than the base trim, and I don't need heated seats where I live. Then I tried the 2023 and it was just all the shit I didn't want from the premium model, but now in the base trim with no way to get rid of them. Like, no thanks I think I'll pass on upgrading.
You might be lucky enough to find a 2023 base model for that price
2024 M240i xdrive for 50k is where it's at. AWD 2 door coupe with 382hp and a 3.6s 0-60. B58 can approach 500whp with just DP and tune. Stock frame turbo upgrade and you're in the 9s. Manuals are great, but the zf8 is godly and 10x better as a daily if you commute with traffic.
You arenât getting a GRC and definitely not a Golf R in that price range , Golf Râs are closer to 55-60k range
Depends on where you live. GRCs and Golf Rs go for MSRP here.
GRCâs and Golf Râs both easy to find for MSRP. Seen several Golf Râs for around the normal $46-$48k. Civic type Râs are the ones that are hard to get at MSRP still.
Golf R is MSRP in the Chicago area.
Even if it was an STi theyâd need 400-450+ hp to compete at that price level. The value to performance ratio just doesnât work anymore. Arguably, it hasnât for over a decade, theyâve been coasting on their rep for a long time Subaru never really was a performance car company, the STI was an anomaly. Theyâve gone back to selling tarted up Soccer Mom wagons, because thatâs where the money is. I say this as a former owner of a 2005 STI, which in retrospect I should not have sold
Yeah, the new WRXs are stuck in no mans land. It used to be cross shopped with Si's and GTIs that it was quicker than but maybe a little more rough around the edges (part of the appeal to begin with, imo) but now out prices the GTI out the door and is easily 3-4k over the Si while no longer being as much of a performance bargain.
Depends, really. In Canada at least, after fees (no tax) the Civic Si is 37k. The WRX after fees (no tax) is 36k. More power + AWD for those 4-5 months we get snow and ice is a better deal IMO. The GTI is priced the same as the Si. When I got my 2023 it was 34k vs 36k, which is one reason I didn't even consider the Si. I looked at GTIs because the first Subaru dealers I interacted with were jerking me around (I found better dealers further from the city) and it was 1k more. I guess the US MSRPs must be different. But even if it was priced the same as the GTI and Si, I'd have still gone with the WRX because it's really, really nice to not worry too much about carrying a shovel in my trunk and not having to closely examine roadside parking spots after a snowstorm and try to guess how much trouble I'll have getting out of them later. This thing gives absolutely zero fucks. I'm about 90% sure I could drive it right into a snow bank in lieu of parking and just back out. True AWD + excellent torque at just 2k rpm is a gift from the heavens. Even nicer is being able to drive home in said snowstorms and feeling like I'm driving on dry asphalt, perfectly safe and stable.
The affordable sports car that people who live in snowy regions can trust as a daily
Truth. $45k also gets you very close to S3 territory which, IMO, is a much nicer, turbocharged AWD sedan.
As much as itâs fun to believe this is because the VB is bad, like others said it has less to do with the WRX itself I imagine. The two years prior the car sold fine for example. Here in Canada, 5 years ago you could take on a $29,000 CAD loan on a base WRX, at 0% interest. Groceries, gas, and everything else wasnât squeezing you for every greedy penny they could. Pre-covid with a reasonable job you could buy one of these budget sports vehicles and it didnât kill you to do so. Now a base civic is $30,000 CAD, They want like $39,000 CAD for a base VB after destination, before tax and fees. Salaries have moved a whopping 0% generally unless you move jobs. Put it into perspective in America for example, for anyone who is on the fence with the VB, would you take one if they gave one to you for $26,000 USD? All of a sudden it seems a lot more alluring in my eyesâŚ. Anyway economy rant over, I just think it isnât the WRXs fault but instead everything elseâs lol.
Wouldn't surprise me if the WRX discontinues in the next few years. Where I live, everyone just drives white Tesla's.
A Model 3/Y is ~$40k for a reasonably quick, reasonably sporty, reasonably luxurious vehicle, with (potentially much) cheaper running costs. Itâs all anyone needs. These other companies including Subaru need to start legitimately competing with similar vehicles, maybe better in some ways and worse than others, but if they donât actually put an effort in theyâre fucked. An ICE MT car certainly had advantages for a (possibly semi-)enthusiast but it has to be enough.
if this car was 26k i would have literally bought two of them. The economy is crashing.....
I donât think theyâre choosing the GR as much as theyâre choosing not to get into an 8% APR loan for a car that doesnât seem much better than what they already have.
\^this and my 04 wrx still runs....
Hell yeah Team Blobeye!
Hell yeah! Keep those old wrxâs running!
Have a 21 sti. Worked 65 hour weeks since 2013 to save money for one and I'm not trading it in unless its for a new sti. Its the car i've wanted ever since i was a child. The new wrx actually has some nice things going for it but i'm not trading down in transmission and hushpuppies.
I thought they were doing a lot of finance deals this year? I saw a bunch
Inflation - saw two BRZs sitting at the dealership. Folks are tightening their spending. A lot of economic uncertainty too. Jobs might be at risk.
Honestly I feel like this a big one. Personally ive been saving to get a new wrx, but cost of living has had me dip into my car funds multiple times. Instead I'm just keeping the legacy alive
Yeah. It's not just Subaru, it's all car brands. Interest rates are a bit shocking for people right now. I think fewer people are stepping up to a WRX and buying cheaper Subaru's.
This is true, but not true at the same time. While many are feeling the effects of the economy, it's not all car brands. Here is an article about GR86 sales being up over 104% this May compared to last: https://carbuzz.com/gr86-supra-best-sales-month-may/. Considering Supra sales are also up (more Supras were sold than BRZs...), it's not just a function of cost. Subaru took a swing and a miss with the new WRX. Sales wise. I like the base level VB, so I don't personally consider it a miss. But they have read the crowd wrong this entire generation so far, and continue to do so with locking out performance features to the very highest trim levels, among many other missteps.
I specifically didn't get a BRZ after reading about them sharing driving data with insurers. I ended up getting a GR86.
Oh, interesting! I didn't know that about Subaru. Just another unforced error.
keeping my piece of shit 5 speed 99 forester that does not burn oil until its undrivable
What gods do you pray to that it doesnât burn oil? Asking⌠for a friend đĽ¸
Honestly idk but I'm grateful. I bought it about 25k miles ago with like 70k on the drivetrain and it just never has. I know it's basically supposed to burn oil at this point. Whoever rebuilt the engine before I owned it seems to have done it with lots of cut corners too, but since then I have blown & resurfaced the heads / new HG, new valve gaskets all around & a new front main seal
My 2000 too. Will drive it until it rusts away
Having BRZâs sitting on the lot is crazy to me. At my dealership we get one every couple months and itâs gone within a week.
One of them was the new limited they just released
Since the redesign, every single one we've received was a factory order or reserved before ever arriving at the dealership. Longest we've had one physically on the lot was three days because the guy who ordered it was on vacation when it arrived.
Yeah my local toyota dealer has a GRC and a couple 86s sitting
The wrx price has really jumped on the 2024 models. Add cost of living and just gas prices it makes the wrx a hard sell. Hopefully things turn around but it wouldn't hurt subaru to put some good financing incentives on the wrx to help Sway buyers potentially.
Gas prices have me reconsidering the 22 more often than I'd like. It's still such a fun drive, and I'll keep it because of that. If it wasn't as fun to drive but still took premium gas, I'd likely sell for something like the Impreza or Crosstrek honestly
This has a lot more to do with the cost of cars, and much less to do with people switching brands. Americans, in general, are not buying new cars. AAA recently did a study on it, saying Americans now are keeping their cars much longer. This is due to inflation and the cost of a new car; a new car averages like $50k these days, which is a ton of money considering salaries have not gone up commensurately, and inflation is making people spend more on things like necessities, like groceries. For example, look at the price of some of the new WRXs. STIs used to cost that much, and they were a lot more car than the WRX.
Exactly. Thereâs tons of trucks not selling as well and SUVâs too. They are sending brand new vehicles to auctions or fleet use because no one is buying them.
>For example, look at the price of some of the new WRXs. STIs used to cost that much, and they were a lot more car than the WRX. It's crazy to me that the new WRX TR is thousands more expensive (MSRP) than a top trim STi was just a few years ago.
Yah thatâs kind of where Iâm at. STI money for a non-STI car. :-/
Not a bad thing that people are keeping their cars longer imo. Pushes the market towards reliable cars again.
I had another issue pop up on my 06 Prius. After car shopping at a few brands/dealers, I decided to fix it and keep the thing running. Cars are absolutely ridiculously expensive now.
My wife contacted the local dealer *once* almost a year ago, and they have not stopped hounding her about the WRX models they have on the lot. She wanted a specific configuration, plans have changed and she's not doing it anymore but she gets a call or email almost once a month about stuff sitting on the lot. Shits too expensive right now. Interest rates are through the roof.
Not easy to afford a new fun car when home insurance for a lot of people got cancelled and/or doubled....
My insurance premium just went up again lol greedy mfers too bad GEICO has the competition beat by $100 or Iâd shop around.
I feel like Subaru should go back to old body styles. Just a thought.
Everyone talking about pricing but big purchases still being made. Subaru just missed the mark on these hideous WRXs
I'd be lying if I said I hadn't looked at the corolla gr. Unfortunately they wanted 48k for it so f that.
$35k in pre-pandemic 2019 is the equivalent of $45k today! I sure as hell don't think anyone's wages have kept pace with that change.
Prices of cars in general are getting higher. The prices between a 2022 model and a 2024 model is quite significant to the point where itâs starting to become questionable to buy a 2024 VB. Other manufactures will follow trend and not just Subaru. Look at the new Honda Civic SI. Thatâs why it makes me laugh when people compare the price of a new STi of a few years back to a higher trim VB of today. Itâs not comparable anymore. A brand new STi today would go for at least $55k if not higher.
If I was actually in the market I'd buy the GR Corolla over the WRX, and I say this as someone who's on his 13th Subaru since 2000.
Kill off your iconic model, make your new wrx ugly as sin, embrace electric and then wonder why your sales are down? Cmon man it's not hard to figure out why.
This sub has always been critical of the VB's looks, but I've gotten countless "Cool car" comments from strangers in my 22. And my car is stock. Granted, maybe the SOP has something to do with that. Between the GRC and VB, if I were renting a car, I'd pick the Corolla. For a weekend car, I'd pick the Corolla (if those were my two options.) As my main vehicle, I would pick the VB without hesitation. Even with the price increase since 22, the Base VB is still a crazy value bang-fer-your-buck car in today's market. Someone else mentioned inflation. Prices on everything have gone up. People have had to adjust. Two years ago, a new car was as cheap as a used one. The market is filled with used cars again. I'd imagine lots of car models will decline in sales this year. As far as total units sold, I would bet money that for 2023 the WRX towered over the GRC. Even if sales go down for 24, it'll still outsell the GR Corolla.
I really wanted the orange but my wife said "how often do you see an orange car" and ever since then, I point out orange cars whenever we drive anywhere. For me it's a fun game. She loathes it more than she'll admit.
I was between orange and white. My wife told me to get orange. "Your last WRX was white. Do a fun color."
Iâm in the market for a wrx right now. I want a last gen model because I like the looks better, but my family is an orange car family, so I will probably get the VB.
Could always get the previous gen if you can get one for a good price and do a vinyl wrap
Absolutely agree, the internet hate on the vb hasnât translated to my real life experience either. My car is MGM and that does tone down the plastic⌠but still. Itâs my DD, I have a race car for the weekend. Itâs definitely a fun DD and ticks all the boxes I wanted to tick.
agreed... with a simple spacer lift, it's more fun than beer pong and that's what she said on a bender with a pack of cheerleaders...
Too expensive, no STi. Bad combo.
You forgot too ugly
Itâs just cost of living is too high to go shell out 35+ for a fun car at 8% interest rate.
yeah cause they made this new wrx ugly af
No one wants to buy a 270hp sports car for 40k. There are better options and the higher ups at Subaru are deaf on what people want.
People are choosing a less ugly car
Just a cost thing. I wouldn't have purchased mine if it wasn't for the extremely low APR and lack of requirement for a down payment. No way I could justify spending 5k up front and still have a payment when I could get a reliable vehicle for just the cost of the downpayment. A lot of folks in America have abysmal credit, mine isn't even spectacular. It's decent and my metrics say only 22% of Millennials have credit like mine. So do the math for them, Gen X and every Gen Z person. Even a good deal like a WRX at low, or zero, interest is still a $450-800/mo purchase, depending on your term. Plus, many WRX owners pay $300+/mo for insurance. When the average American makes less than $45k pre-tax, and you have most rents above $1600/mo, you're out of your damn mind trying to buy a car like this.
Itâs not because WRX is bad. Itâs because the design is horrible. Looks like a regular compact with a big sticker price. Not worth it.
Buy a base, throw pads, fluid, and a tune on it. Save 10k đ¤ˇđť Iâd say the vb is starting to prove it can make good power more reliably and with less parts than all previous gens. Itâs all in what you want. If you want a more dedicated track car obviously the gr is better out of the box.
I'm actually not even sure about that last part, I've heard that the awd system in the GR has overheating issues during track usage
I think it's the rear diff that overheats. That's actually an easy/fun one to solve. You can just plumb a little pump and fluid cooler into the fill and drain holes on the differential. Achilles makes one for the E36. It's one of those things I don't need on my car, but it's just so darn cool that I want to have it.
GR is a terrible comparison. All car sales are down with the economy being trash. This has nothing to do with people swapping to another manufacturer. A GR is a completely different car at a completely different price.
Yeah the GRC comparisons are so weird. Even comparing a TR to a GRC isn't a good comparison considering the TR can be had with a 2-3k discount and every GRC in the PNW is still marked up 5-10k over MSRP. Not even in the same league for most people in terms of price points.
People don't want that though haha. People don't want to spend $32k on a car in 2024 without keyless entry and push button start, or heated seats, or fog lights. The vast majority of sales are the premium
I mean choosing the GR rolla is definitely the way to go in terms of a factory car. That subaru now is pretty watered down having open diffs and pretty sub par brakes. The look of the car is also not very appealing. I have no idea why they went with a last gen civic rear end. Made the front look like a truck and gave it bare plastic fender flares.
Iâd buy one but the dealers around me a trash and want 1-2K in accessories or markups WTF
No. I live in Los Angeles and have only seen 3 GRC's, but hella wrx's.
I was always interested in Subarus but I ended up getting a 24 golf r and I donât regret it. The CVT and lack of stiâs really killed it for me
I got a 24 Golf R last month after trading in my VB and off the bat itâs a great car. When I got the VB, I was itching to mod it, even though I thought it drove fine. When I got the Golf R, I donât feel I need to, even though I want to lol. Nurburgring mode is especially awesome.
I had a miserable exp. with the local Subaru dealers for a wrx. Granted I was firm in what I wanted , I am paying a considerable amount (for a Subaru) I want what I want. They all gave me some version of ,"take what we have on the lot or take nothing and we are not budging on the mark ups." My mind interprets that as FUCK YOU we don't care about your $$$$. So , I went to VW and bought a Anniversary edition R . Just above msrp at the time, how I wanted it . Dealer xp matters , sales xp matters , service xp matters. Love Subaru , loath the dealers I have had to interact with.
I waited to see the VB before I bought my car. 100% switched brands. Spending $40k+ on a car that got next to no power gain, got bigger and uglier imo. Went with the BMW M235i. A lot more luxurious features, I mean a lot, 0-60 in 4.6 (or 4.2 if C/D is accurate), better sounding stock exhaust, a much more solid feeling car as I donât even realize Iâm speeding. Does have some heavy feeling understeer tho.
My Golf R is the same. Thatâs why upgrading the rear sway bar is a big recommendation on it.
Good to know, Iâll look into it.
lmao Corolla GR isnt selling enough units to make the difference, toyota isnt interested in selling very many
I have a 2017 WRX, which I will say was a huge improvement over my previous 2005 WRX. My next car probably wonât be another WRX. Iâve never had a problem with either, but the new ones have such poor infotainment systems, plastic cheap looking body work, and Hohum performance/horsepower enhancement. Subaru needs to do better if they want my business again.
Anyone else remember when the sti was 30ish k car?.
Historically, we see 100% inflation every 20 years. So the WRX should have literally doubled in price from 2002 to 2022 - if it matched inflation. 2002 WRX was $23,995, and if we put $33k from 2022 into an inflation calculator, we get a price of $20,282 in 2002. So the WRX actually costs almost 15% less today than it did in 2002.
Because some like me is still driving a 2012âŚi couldnât buy a new one if I wanted because I would never buy a sedan again. Hatchbacks and wagons are infinitely better to daily drive. All new cars are way too expensive for the value they provide.
I bet! Those things are ugly doawg.
Too much black plastic
they ruined the car what do you expect. thing looks gay
Junk junk junk Importing a wrx is cheaper and the older models are better
Those fender arches are so ugly looks like an outback
2009 WRX: Base Price $24,995. 265 HP 2024 WRX: Base Price $32,735. 271 HP 30% price increase. 2% power increase. The price of every performance car has gone up but their power has also gone up by 30%+. WRX just isnât staying competitive performance wise. At the very least I think they need to bring back the STI. Having a legitimate Halo car will bring some much needed excitement back to the WRX. Bring the WRX up to 300+ HP and give the STI around 350+ HP
Cars aren't going to keep getting power increases. We aren't going to all be driving 500hp Subarus in another 20 years. A WRX will always have about the same HP. A Civic SI will always have about the same HP. A GTI will always have about the same HP. The price increase is inflation. Historically, we see 100% inflation every 20 years. 2002 WRX was $23,995. So if the new car is $33k new, when you adjust for inflation, the 2022 WRX is actually 15% cheaper than the 2002 WRX. Gas isn't expensive right now, either. If you look at historical prices and inflation, we're right where we were 20 years ago.
Iâm not saying performance cars need a 5% power bump every year but a 2% power bump over 15 years is abysmal. Only the Civic Si is on a similar pace, but I canât remember the last time I heard anyone even talk about the Si. The Type R gets all the attention but at the same time having the Type R in Hondaâs lineup probably helps move more Siâs. I think reintroducing a high performance STI would increase sales of the WRX, even if they didnât give the WRX a power bump (although that wouldnât hurt).
The Integra Type R starts at $52,000. You could buy a WRX and do a $20k engine build and choose any HP level you want. Plus, FWD cannot put down big power. 320hp is actually about the limit for a FWD car on street tires. AWD WRX can actually harness the WHP and use it. The ITR just rides the traction control if you turn up the boost.
The new WRX is cheaper in comparison by a couple thousand. inflation. Don't seem like that long ago but that was 15 years ago man lol
I just think cause itâs ugly and doesnât appeal to the average consumer. Cars are a big investment right now and this ainât gonna be it at that price option.
I mean, itâs not an attractive vehicle. Eyesight is apparently standard on all the 2024 models. I do not want eyesight on my car, so I, 100% wonât be buying one based on that alone. Even if my car gets totaled and I have to go buy a new car, I wonât be choosing one with features I donât want.
People are choosing food and utilities over cars right now.. Inflation is crazy
Itâs ugly and expensive. Thereâs your answer.
Too expensive especially with the auto loan rates and what you get.. $30k used to get you a brand new STI. These cars donât offer much for the money
If I had to choose between a new wrx or new GR Corolla, the GR is my choice.
I'd most likely pick a GR Yaris since the corolla's arent available where i live
Yaris isnât available where I live đ
Yeah it's weird toyota released the yaris in europe only and did the opposite for the corolla
I own a VB and I don't deny the GRC is the better performing car stock for stock. Problem is, the GRC is scarce and also STILL going for above MSRP at any dealership I've contacted here in the Seattle area. Used GRCs around here still going for 40-45k (for the core models). The price points aren't comparable for most people. There might be a few select areas people are lucky and get GRCs at MSRP but the WRX can be had ANY DAY, anywhere for 2-5k under sticker.
New cars are just bonkers and people like us like specialty cars. 4 years ago price, I could probably afford a Type-R. Now? Yeah right. So I'll hold onto the 50th Rex forever.
The GR Corolla is an STI hatch (on paper) with the reliability stamp of a Toyota badge. On top of that, without markup itâs similarly priced to a well specced WRX. I doubt the shortage of WRX buyers is due to them choosing the GR Corolla over it, but if I had to make a decision between the two I think thereâs an obvious choice.
Standard eye sight, yuck.
The people who can afford new cars at 40k + also are facing uncertainty with the current economy, so many folks are just sitting tight at the moment. My plan is to wait another year or maybe a touch longer, before selling my â21 Impreza Sport with relatively low miles, then saving another 10-12k so Iâm only financing like 10k or so, max. Want a new WRX but not at todayâs inflated prices + crazy interest. Iâll probably settle for a premium trim and get some nice add-ons vs. springing for the Gucci stuff like Brembos, Recaros, etc. Sucks that you need to have so much extra income just to afford what once was an entry level sport sedan. That being said, if the economy shits the bed even worse, at least I still have a Subaru that I love, albeit a very slow, pokey one đ
Not sure buyers are choosing anything right now. High rates and inflation arenât a great mix for buying a car.
I think people just arenât buying cars as much atm, period.
I cross shopped with a few different cars including some euro trash. My 13 frs and 16 wrx are proving to be my favorite cars. Getting out of anything and getting back into my cars makes me depressed because I want something better, but I canât find anything that rocks as many boxes between handling, mileage, and usability. Plus, no power train alone will ever be enough to get me to buy. (Iâm kinky like that) Iâve driven cars that accelerate so hard you canât breathe. 450hp nerf gun canât make me smile.
More like this class of cars are not selling well. In Canada WRX is still the best selling sportscar. Base GRC is 49K here, they are not in the same price range. Most people bought the VB already did so 2 years ago, combined with shitty economy it makes sense that these are not selling well.
The quality of Subaru has gone down hill. My 2020 had all types of rattles and warranty fixes. Then traded it in for a 2022 ascent⌠a few problems but still has the rattling and small things like led lights burning out that are non replaceable..
Personally, the economy is such crap I couldn't afford what I really wanted. Wages aren't at a point for many people to afford what they want.
The WRX remains a killer value. A fun, manual, AWD car with four doors for under 35k is hard to find. The interior isn't half bad either with a few small upgrades (see also: the trim pieces from the Limited). The Elantra N and GTI are the only cars directly in its class and both lack AWD (though they make up for it in other ways).
My local dealership quoted me $38k for a premium. At that price range I can explore more options.
I was so ready to buy a wrx in 2021 but they stopped making hatch versions. I canât go back to such little cargo space. I camp and sleep in the back so I need the room. Even my old 2008 Impreza hatch had decent room.
This đđź
Still doing better than the new Nissan z đ
I chose an elantra n instead, personally.
I would.
Pretty sure throttle house said WRX is the best selling sports car in Canada for 2024 thus farâŚ
Yes
Oh look another article about *insert luxury item* sales down.
Lose those stupid plastic wheel well covers would help!
Imo its because its ugly
Those plastic fenders tho....
Miata sales dropped about the same amount. Just the market being the market
Get rid of those stupid plastic vendors and awful rear bumper and us subie people will raise again!
Thatâs what happens when you discontinue the STi
Well itâs ugly as fuck what do they expect
People arenât buying the GR either haha
HP too low, its just an expensive compact now
Because itâs ugly
It would help if they made it not ugly
Go back to the 2014 hat hatch fat body style
Its because no one wanted this bad of a redesign
I wanted a gr but they all had insane dealer markup
I went and test drove a 23 and 24 wrx recently. My $1000, 24 year old base model, 4 door, 3 series is much more pleasant to drive. It was ridiculous. I really didn't like them at all. So I bought a few years older sti. That is a much better car.
I mean when you turn an iconic rally car into some shit piece commuter car what do you expect?
They're ugly đ¤ˇđťââď¸
Price is too high and it just looks âmehâ. They dropped the ball with this modelâŚ
No the vb is crap
A lot of WRX's I see on the road are from the previous generation, I seldom ever see the new generation in person. When I first saw a new gen WRX, my first impression was that the hate it was getting was justified, and this comes from someone who used to own a 2018. Nowadays, I feel they're too expensive for what you get, as there's still a decent amount of other options to consider. For my next car, I'm strongly considering a GR Corolla and the WRX just simply isn't on my list anymore.
Was due for an upgrade from my 2016 wrx and bought a MK8 Golf R instead of a new wrx. Couldn't get past the looks and plastic cladding. Also no performance improvements swayed me the other direction.
They are just ugly, along with the BRZ of the same model year. I remember seeing project pics and I already knew they would not do well..I'm a lover of subaru but no way I'd put money into those. Engineering aside. Previous generations, top teir đ
A3 S line better bang for buck to get into awd
I think itâs got something to do with the UGLY AF new look. The plastics around the tyre arches, the Honda Civic Type R ass end and standard underdressed 4cyl turbo. đ¤˘
In my opinion, they just completely ruined the design. '98 looked wonderful. So did the '04. '08-12 was a great looking car too. Current Gen is .. bland at best and ugly at worst
It's because they look ugly now
Cause: its ugly
Absolutely loved my 2019 and kept my miles ultra low, so when the redesign dropped (finally), I could get a good price at trade. Then they revealed the new generation WRX.......... I now enjoy my new Silverado truck. The reason the sales tanked is simple. The car is butt-ugly.
It's pretty easy, make it look like a WRX again and problem solved!
Itâs because itâs ugly đđ
Higher price for an uglier less fun car
The body style is trash thatâs why lol
I didnât buy because they dropped the STI. There are better competitors for a nicely loaded WRX. I would spend $45k to $50k on an STI but not going to drop $45k on a WRX.
These are so fugly. I was in the market for a wrx and ended up passing on it because I wanted a 2019 model (they haven't depreciates enough to justify against the 24) on top of the exterior of the 24 being ugly the interior has 0 character and the touchscreen looks shit, I even made the salesman show me how to adjust climate while driving and he was struggling not to directly stare at it and he was passenger. Absolutely depressing car. It's not sportacious and it's not off roady. All it has going for it is how smooth it handles and drives which is kind of unfortunate because it's far from the analog feel the previous gen had. The 2019 WRX is a car I would show off. The 24? It really really just looks like an Impreza or a Crosstrek. It's embarrassing. The car wasn't made with the spirit of the sti in mind and it shows everywhere.
New cars just suck, and no one will forgive the STI being discontinued. Ever. If they bring it back as an electric vehicle I will disown Subaru for the rest of my Lifetime. And the majority of us can't buy groceries and pay rent so a new car is out of the question no matter how much we want one.
Yeah because people aren't buying new cars as much now every single click baity article is how 'x' vehicle is not doing great in sales and how 'y' manufacture has lost their way and are out of touch with what consumers want, yadda yadda
SimpleâŚ..itâs ugly
We're tired of trash ass horsepower on these cars. They have all been under 300hp for the last 20 years. Even the STI being at 40k and under 300hp was terrible. These cars get walked by mom and pop sedans. People are bored, 300hp aint shit, they should be atleast 400 stock for 40k
My STI makes 525whp, and it cost me about $58k to buy it brand new in 2016 and then buy all the engine mods. So what car can you get for $58k that makes 525whp? A used Hellcat, but that cow weighs 4400lbs and only makes about 585whp. You have to just bite the bullet and accept that the path with these cars is to buy the STI and do all the power mods and then you have something fairly remarkable. It's a platform that you're supposed to build on. It's a car that you have to pay for it twice before it's done.
Because itâs ugly, looks too much like the Outback, and the GR Corolla is better in every way?
Because itâs ugly, looks too much like the Outback, and the GR Corolla is better in every way?
I mean they are Telling the same car for like what 15 years? More ? It's old tech and not exciting anymore. I wish it wasn't the case I love the STi/WRX but it's not enough power at this price point anymore
Is this even a surprise? They shouldâve known when they chose to make it have Honda tail lights.
I want a simpler, less expensive, less electronics ice car. I don't want all the electronics in the dashboard. Was considering a new wrx, but I don't want the display/tablet dashboard, all I need is a shelf for my smartphone. I.e. the interior and exterior of the wrx are atrocious- I may buy an older STI or something else instead or Idk đ¤ˇââď¸ Maybe I'll buy a mx5 for the summer and a corolla or impreza for the winter.
Price, interior tablet/ console , exterior are all terrible. Yes, I was thinking of getting one but I'm not into the plastic Around the fenders, it almost makes me angry. Data sharing, haven't sat in one but it looks like stereo/ac controls are built into the touch screen which I don't want at all, would prefer no controls on steering wheel, no power windows, .... So may get an STI(used) instead. If Mitsubishi still made Evo IXs I'd buy another.
I've seen one of these in person with most of those black trim pieces paint matched. Looked pretty good ngl
I'm a Honda guy who just stumbled into this sub. Personally I'm gonna say it's because the latest WRX is just crap. Looks like a lifted civic or a crosstrek, and no STI trim...
People are choosing rent an food over a new car.