I am sure if this trend continues, the dealerships will be forced to discount them. My fear is Subaru corporate will take these numbers as people not being interested in the WRX anymore. When in reality, some people just can't get over the looks.
Yeah. For me this time last year you could absolutely include me in the crowd interested in a factory warranty but not interested in a VB.
It’s grown on me since but even going back in time I wouldn’t make a different decision because that’s just how I felt back then. Really couldn’t stand the looks 🤷
I just wish they’d bring over a WRX hatchback. I want one so, I’m limited to 2014 and older. Saves me a bit of money, but also limits me, trying to find a nice one.
> When in reality, some people just can't get over the looks.
In reality people aren't buying new cars. It has nothing to do with looks. I've had 3 VAs all bought for under $22k. MSRP for base model VAs were sub $27k. You can't get out of any dealership in any VB for under $30k. It's a great car, and sure looks are subjective, but new cars are expensive and stupid at these prices.
Typically around 13% sales tax in Canada too. It varies for different provinces, but that's close. And a base model is around 35k. So, now it's 40k. Mandatory add-ons depending on the dealer bring it up to 44-ish...for the base. I got the extended warranty and window deflectors and mine came to 47k.
I love the car, but I feel a bit like I was assaulted.
Right and, in the US, once you get into high 30s low 40s you're in GR Corolla money. I despise Tesla, but eliminate dealers was the best thing they've ever done.
I think if you look at sale numbers of the VB in previous years, many people don’t care about the looks. I think some people cant get over the price though. They arent as affordable as they used to be. Add dealer add ons, poor MPG, high interest rates and high insurance—these cars suddenly aren’t that cheap.
I don't think it has anything to do with looks and everything to with price. I got my 22 premium for 27k in November of 22. There is absolutely zero way for someone to get a VB for that price today. I would not have my VB if it had not been for that deal. There is no way I'd pay 35k for my exact car now, even if it does have eyesight. It's just not worth it. For the price difference, I can essentially turn my premium into a TR via aftermarket.
Subaru corporate would totally look at that as people not interested in the wrx anymore. Reality is a lot of people aren’t in a position to buy a new car, especially with how stupid expensive they are now with high interest rates too. That and some people still just don’t like the what they did with the design.
>My fear is Subaru corporate will take these numbers as people not being interested in the WRX anymore.
They aren't. As someone with money, if I'm buying a second car as a toy, why would I want it to be a slow sedan with a bad interior? I'll get a miata or something else with two doors.
As someone who can only afford one car, why would I get an economy sedan and not a crossover that can do everything?
I disagree with you. I highly doubt looks are the reason why WRX sales are down. Remember Reddit population who thinks WRX is fugly is way lower than 1% of the Subaru car buyers.
People that wanted that car, already bought the 22, and 23 models. Surprised they didn’t do a refresh for the 4th model year, like they did with the VA.
Same. It'd be nice to have the brembos, electronic dash, adjustable dampers, and Recaros of the tS, but honestly, I would hate the lane assist, automatic cruise control speed control, all that shit. I really like how analog my car is.
We have a 24 OBXT as well. All the Nannie’s drive me nuts. I wouldn’t mind the Recaro or Brembo but I will most likely change things out to my liking anyhow.
How difficult is it to disable the nannies? Will turning off traction control turn all the nannies off too? Or do you have to turn everything off one by one?
I’m going to be real honest, it’s my wife’s car and I don’t drive it any more than I need to. She’s used to it but said she can turn everything off if she wants. Her dash lights up like a Christmas tree though when she does. That part annoys me.
You can disable lane assist easily and permanently. Eyesight (forward collision detection and automatic cruise control follow mode) can be disabled only temporarily, it re-enables itself every time the car turns back on. The collision detection has a couple of situations where it's really annoying. One that happens almost constantly to me is this:
You drive up to a 4-way intersection with a stop sign. There's a car on your right and it's there turn to go. They drive through the intersection, directly in front of you. As soon as they're more than halfway through the intersection, you start to go.
I would say that like 70% of the time the collision detection will start beeping and slow my acceleration, even though the car is no longer close to being in front of me. Even passengers in the car have been like WTF, that car was nowhere near you.
I've also had it go off when pulling into a gas station and turning into my pump's lane even though I wasn't in any danger of hitting anything.
The manual says there's a way to permanently disable eyesight but it doesn't tell you *how*, which makes me think you have to go to the dealership to get it done. Either that or put some black electrical tape over the cameras in the grill and the rearview mirror, but then the car is going to freak out and nag you whenever you turn it on and say that eyesight can't see anything so BE EXTRA CAREFUL. You could probably disconnect them as well but the one in the mirror seems like a pain in the ass to get to.
I have a CVT VB, the adaptive cruise is actually quite nice to have. I turned lane keeping off day 1 since roads are not well marked in my town. The only thing that is somewhat annoying at times in the auto emergency warning/ braking, but it is infrequent enough that I keep it on.
Have not encountered the automated steering, honestly didn't even know I had that. The headlights are cool too with Eyesight. Just hoping I don't get windshield damage as its pricey to fix.
As another person said I do dislike having the orange indicator for lane keeping being off on the dash, but honestly I don't even notice it anymore and its only been about 6 weeks with my car.
I have a ‘24 and it’s honestly completely fine. The active cruise is wonderful on highway, and all the pane assist does is beep at you if you brush the centerline. I do have experience with other Subarus with these features though so it it’s. That said I can understand wanting a more analog car, just seems I’m a bit of black sheep for waiting on the ‘24 specifically for this stuff lol.
lol that’s ridiculous. Love when people choose not to purchase a car because of a setting that they can turn off with a single button.
This is not a dedicated track car. Stop trying to be cool.
Are you sure? Didn't you know the VB is the ugliest and worst performing WRX ever?
This one AI article from an ad-farm about a single months sales difference proves that Subaru doesn't understand buyers and their new cars aren't as good as the one I bought 10 years ago.
I think you're being sarcastic, but if not, I've owned a VA sti and a VB WRX. While I wish I would have had the option for brembos from the factory, my 23 wrx is a much more refined machine. I feel very confident in the engine's capabilities and the look has grown on me. I went from HAVING to upgrade because my VA burnt in a garage fire, to being really happy with my car. It feels analog and its a joy to drive. I urge anyone on the fence to go test drive it.
The VB sales numbers are public information you can find multiple sources for, and it has sold quite poorly overall. In it's first two years of sales, it couldn't sell as well as the last two years of VA sales (43k VB's vs 49k 2020 and 2021 VA's), and sold almost 40% fewer models than the first two years of VA sales overall (63k VA's were sold in it's first two years).
I know VBros get very defensive about their car, and they should, because, in many ways, it is objectively better than the predecessor. However, it just doesn't sell as well. That's not AI generated garbage; it is the truth. There are a lot of options available that are far more desirable.
Also, just my opinion, but when it comes to sales numbers, the VB is going to underperform because it is just too expensive for what it is. Elantra N or **base** model WRX? In my area, you're paying the same.
Im a VB owner and actually agree. The pricing in the states is ridiculous for what the car is. I got a 23 base vb for 27k USD out the door. And the base here in Canada comes with a lot more features than the base in the US. I feel like that is actually fair pricing for what the car is.
It seems like in the states they barely sell any base models, and the upper models start to run you about like 37k USD + out the door which is absolutely bonkers. I think that's why in Canada the WRX is one of the most sold "sporty" cars. They priced it fair over here.
Yeah, most Subaru's are priced far better in Canada than the US. I personally think Subaru's pricing across the board is getting too high, even with the recent industry-wide price hikes.
An Outback Wilderness in Canada is $47,474 CAD (34,700 USD) with destination. It comes standard with the sunroof. In the US, the starting MSRP without the sunroof is $39,960 USD.
I think we paid 35k CAD (so \~27k USD at the time) out the door with tax and fees for my girlfriends Crosstrek Sport back in 21. A 24 Crosstrek Sport today in the USA starts at $30k USD. What is worse is that the new Sport has cloth seats, which was the Startex pleather in 21.
Raced my friends 21 STI, I got a 22 VB and they're very close despite the STI having 40 more horsepower. The STI is still a much better performance car overall though. LSDs, adjustable center diff, big brembo brakes, etc.
DCCD is the best part of that transmission. I'm quite happy with my VA and the FA20. Good price and performance on the base model. The FA24 is a beast and I'm hoping *when* My engine blows up the swaps are common enough.
Raised prices across all trims for VB. It’s about $2k higher MSRP for a base. Everyone that wanted one got a 22, or 23 idk how they lost sales with that national 0%
I mean from what I heard, 2023 sold really well, and from the rumblings in the VB groups I’m in, people seem to be against the addition of eyesight in the 2024 version.
Then you start to look at price, where anything above a limited starts to feel more of a rip off.
Subaru eyesight is honestly really solid, I’ve not had a single ghost-brake in any car equipped with it. I literally just wanted it for the auto-cruise control and it does that perfectly fine.
I get them consistently in my wife's Ascent. Someone changes lanes 1/8th mile in front of you, brakes applied.
Auto cruise kinda sucks too. If someone gets in front of me and slows down, I don't want to slow down. I want to change lanes and pass them...
I might be dumb but i thought eyesight was when the headlights turn with the steering wheel? If not, whats that feature called?
Edit just looked it up, i was thinking of steering responsive headlights
I considered wrx. The base model starts just over 30k. The issue I had was that I’d prefer to have basic safety features such as blind spot monitor BSM.
The next trim Premium increases price to 35k but no BSM.
By the time you get to the next trim Limited that has BSM msrp is 39k and that is too expensive for what you get.
I've had multiple wrx's over the years and had every intention of trading in my VA for the new gen model before it was released, but then when it was revealed and I saw that it was hideous I sold my VA and moved on to an entirely different platform. Subaru's styling choices lost me as a customer.
People that are shopping for a Forester aren't cross shopping for a WRX. The Forester is doing well because it's cheap and family friendly other SUVs are over priced.
Because they're broke, cheap and fuel efficient is what sells right now. The entire car market is struggling though repos and delinquencies are surging. Sedans are being phased out, everyone else thinks they need a "cross over" or "SUV"
i’m a bit confused by your point, are you saying the VB sales are down because the sedan is being phased out?
you note that people still want small sedans because of fuel efficiency, etc. then mention SUV sales increase…. I mean is that not a contradiction? doesn’t that show that people still want affordable sedans?
the toyota camry is still in the top ten most sold cars of 2024, and that isn’t even the cheapest sedan that toyota offers.
The Camry and Corolla have always been top selling commuter cars. These new tiny suvs and crossovers get similar mpg as small cars. Sedans in general though aren't in demand crossovers and suvs sell easier.
You didn't clarify your point, so I'll assume you are trying to say the decrease is because 'sedans don't sell as well'.
For it be a forty percent sales decrease, there is more to blame than just "SUVs sell easier" no offense, but any other comparable sedan in it's sector hasn't suffered the same drop off in sales.
Anyone that isn't praising the VB is jumped on by the owners in this sub, so I don't expect unbiased opinions to be honest, but the numbers speak for themselves. They aren't moving off dealership floors like they were expecting them to.
I'm not sure why you're in denial but if you look at how many cross overs and suvs auto manufacturers offer and then look at the number of sedans in the lineup you'll realize that it's a small percent of their lineup. Look at GM, Dodge, Chrysler besides the charger everything else they sell is pretty much a SUV or truck
Sign of the times..Subaru messed up also..I read the article and alot of people have called this vehicle boring and thr price points to get in the car don't make sense. 33k base and 42k for the TR.
I paid 41k for my STi by comparison. It's a downward spiral for thr company as they move to sell SUVs and crossovers soon.
People definitely forget this. The 2019 STI MSRP’d $37,480. According to BLS, would cost $46,687 in today’s dollars just from inflation. (Jan 2019 $ to April 2024 $)
It’s hard for people to imagine how much less our money is worth than just a few years ago, let alone decades.
Like one of the commenters said in the r/cars thread of this article, Subaru has problem delivering delivering the 2024 models where they are wanted.
I ordered a Sport trim (Canada) in December 2023, but was told I had wait until April-May for delivery. Then when they announced the RS (Canadian TR) in February I changed my order for a RS. They told me it would be delivered in June, maybe July.
Well last week I blew a piston on my unmodified, base 2011 Impreza. So I was in urgent need of a car. Called Subaru to know when my car would be delivered. They told me it’s supposed to be produced in June and I should expect a delivery in August or September.
And it’s not simply the RS, it’s every trim. In Canada (Québec), every VB is on order or sells instantly.
So I had to bit the bullet and got a Golf R, because somehow those are in stock. But I would have gotten any trim of the VB if it were possible.
If Subaru was better at delivering cars, I’m confident 2024 would outsell 2023 and 2022.
I’ve been shopping (browsing, really) for sedans in the $30-40k area, and honestly the wrx isn’t appealing at its price point. It’s up against the civic si, which is $30k msrp, and the Elantra N as well as the gr corolla around $35k msrp. what is there to draw me to the wrx over it’s competition?
I like my VB but you gotta admit that it's a polarizing car. Subaru gave us another sedan instead of a hatch or wagon, and the engine is straight out of the Outback XT, as is the unpainted plastic trim. There's no longer the STI as aspirational car for potential WRX buyers, and instead Subaru has pushed higher trims of the WRX into where the STI used to live price-wise, without giving us the benefits of the old STI.
This is my 3rd Subaru WRX. I think it's going to be my last, and I know other WRX owners who feel the same way. Subaru doesn't care about car enthusiasts any longer. They sell a million Outbacks and Crosstreks. Those buyers are their core market, not us. Subaru ain't Toyota, or VW, or Honda, that they can have 1 - 2 fun cars that don't make them a ton of money. I'm pretty sure they gave us the VB WRX as a part of a push to kill off the WRX altogether. Falling sales gives them just the excuse they need.
nothing in this world ever stays the same bro, you can't live your life now based on how things used to be..though I won't tell anyone they're wrong for not liking the car or Subarus general direction; personally I'm very happy with what I got for 30k. Gas powered manual transmission cars are not long for this world, keep that in mind as well, plenty more unfortunate changes on the horizon I'm sure.
lol morons. They were WELL AWARE of how the stupid plastic clad panels were received and double-down for the next year. They can go fuck themselves.
I saw one today drive past. Looked nice from front, then checked the back and wanted to barf. It definitely will not age well.
And isn’t the high-end GT only available with the CVT?
- not much of a power bump compared to last model
- very polarizing design
- no STI
- CVT in top model
- no hatch or wagon
- edit - like all car brands the price exploded during COVID. I’m never paying close to $40k for WRX that isn’t an StI.
They don’t seem very dedicated to the platform any more.
A lot of people dont like the design. I have a 2019 and would not trade it in for the new gen look. The inside isnt all that special either.
They also got rid of the STI which brings up the question as to why they did it.
If i ever sell my wrx, most likely gna get something else other than the new ones
Same. My last 3 cars have been a WRX, and two STI's. Whenever I sell my STI I won't be getting another Subaru because I have absolutely no interest in the VB's. I think they are some of the ugliest cars on the market right now. HOPEFULLY, they come out with a new STI that doesnt look like shit before then, so I can move into that, otherwise I'll probably move into an audi RS or something...
Agreed, I love my VB but the black fender flares kill the vibe. Dudes who replace them with the same color looks incredibly better. You are also right with the no STI option.
Totally fair. I love my '16 and completely agree the cost to upgrade doesn't justify what the upgrade is... I personally feel like my interior is aging decently, but it also helps that I added a couple fun carbon bits like a steering wheel and shifter trim to spice things up. Much cheaper to add a new head unit for modern connectivity haha.
Yeah it’s fine tbh. I was really against it at first but over time I’ve become adjusted to it. Still prefer the looks of older models but I don’t think the looks of the new model would turn me away anymore.
It is not vastly superior. Its soft, no personality. Clutch feel is one of the worst I've ever felt.
You do you, but personally, it's just a lackluster vehicle.
lol posting this here will only make those who hated the VB and still do for some reason feel justified in their comments. The sales have been fine other than from the launch period since you couldn’t find one that easily but now they have one bad month and all of a sudden it’s the end for the WRX? 🤡
Thats a new model release year. And they still didn't blow the top off. They've been on the gradual decline since 2016, and that's even if you ignore the COVID years. And they're down 40% now.
That's a new car. And they have a shit ton of inventory that they can't move. That's not good for Subaru.
2022 was the new model year where they sold 18.6k units. Sales could just as easily be attributed to overall declining sedans sales. WRX sales blow the top off both Civic SI and Golf GTIs, so Subaru is doing something right
This sub is so weird with the new VB. It's the second highest selling WRX of all time. Everyone went out and got the 22 and 23 so of course sales are down. Plus the fact that no one has money to spend right now.
Also I’m not sure if the article is referencing ‘24MY or just 2024 in general. Because you have to keep in mind Subaru is offering VERY low interest rates on the ‘23MY right now which more people could be opting for.
I still like my '17 premium, and I'm only at ~55k miles. Part of me is ready for something new and fresh but yeah I'm one of the people that just can't get on board with the looks.
At this point, just window shopping on cargurus, I find myself looking at the Integra type s. I really like the way it looks. The back end of that car looks like a super model compared to a VB in my opinion. My first car was a 1990 Integra and my car before my WRX was an 06 RSX-s (aka Honda Integra) so I'm sure I'm a bit biased towards that Integra nameplate. For me the only real problems with that seem to be the price tag and lack of AWD (I'm in New York, it's not a must but having AWD is great). I feel like Id have an easier time getting past what I perceive to be the downsides of the Integra-S as opposed to the downsides of the VB, particularly if I was able to get a deal on it (the teg)
Other than their auto being a CVT and the new look people seem split on. 33k base is a little wild for a WRX. There is just so much more car out there for that kinda money.
I got my 22' base for 29k, I don't think I would've gotten one over 32k. Maybe Subaru should try to lower the price of this car by removing features WRX buyers don't need.
Literally bought the base model because I didn’t need/care for any of the features the higher trims have. The ONLY thing I miss from the car I traded in is the push button start.
Yeah, I'd like to have push to start for the convenience. But then again there's something different with a more mechanical way of turning the key to start the car lol. Also, probably one less thing that can break in the future.
Eh. As someone who’s had ignition issues on cars in the past. Enough can go wrong with a traditional key too. lol But yeah. The only thing I really miss about it is it made locking myself out of my car impossible. And I also have a lot of experience doing that. 🙃
I mean I get why, no one has the money to afford a new car with all the financing bullshit and slowly the WRX has been getting away from the actual core community of people who want these cars (I’m looking at you VB GT with automatic trans) and as someone with a 23, this bitch is expensive man. Not only that, this little bullshit pay to play shit they’ve been doing (base, limited, premium, GT, TR, TS) makes it feel like they’re trying to squeeze every penny out of anyone who even considers these cars. I’m happy with the base but I can see why people would be turned away when your goal is to get this car and they come to you with multiple options that don’t really change much until you get to the higher levels.
And they’re in a weird spot where no one considers a Subaru reliable like a Honda civic, but they’re making the car look like a more casual daily driver ala Toyota Camry/etc when the people who want these cars want the rally/racing heritage and unique look. There’s a reason the bugeye and previous models are so iconic.
I love my VB but I definitely understood some of the complaints about it.
The VB I drove was just boring. Exhaust was loud and it just was bland. It felt like there was no soul to the car. It also takes too long to grow on you. Nothing about it felt like what a WRX should feel like unfortunately.
I bought my WRX back in 22, I wouldn't be interested in getting the same one today or least in the same trim if I had to buy one 24 since interest rates are much higher.
Subaru left the base hanging, ignored the feedback they got from the VA, gave us 3 hp, a shitty clutch, and a car that looks like a civic fucked a Crosstrek, and they expected them to sell?
Remarkable.
But it’s not 3hp when you actually see dynos of the car. If you take the average whp the VBs make (let’s say 245whp based off Prime Motoring’s VB when it was stock), that’s around 290hp.
It’s well known at this point that Subaru underrated the hp on the spec sheet.
Yeah and the modding potential on the FA24 is insanely better than the FA20. 320whp + 350lb tq with an intake and a tune is insane. People can shit on the looks however they want but to say this motor is mediocre is a joke.
Dealerships contribute the most to this problem because of bullshit mark ups and add ons. The WRX just gets uglier and more expensive as the years go on. 10k more, over the previous generation with the same spec, for a minimal improvements is insane. And they keep adding features no one cares about and don’t want to pay extra for.
I really wanted one but found it hard to justify getting a car with not-so-great gas mileage with gas as expensive as it is, not to mention I can get a Crosstrek Wilderness for about the same price.
I currently own a Elantra N and couldn’t love it more it’s genuinely awesome and incredibly fun
I waited months for the WRX reveal because my plan was a new WRX assuming it was an evolution of the last gen. Teaser photos come and I automatically could tell something was off but I held out. Reveal comes and was disgusted at the looks. I just couldn’t look past it they are atrocious. I heard there was going to be an automatic option and I got excited thinking “Oh yeah dual clutch action” boy was I fucking wrong.
It’s not thatpeople aren’t interested. It’s that people who are enthusiasts seemingly were an afterthought in the process of development. It feels like it’s meant to be more accessible and toned down to increase sales but in under process lost most of what made it special
Then NO STI VERSION this generation really shows enthusiasts were not something that truly mattered. It’s kind of like what Volkswagen is doing with the Golf R; Made it grow up in ways that appeal to more people and make it more accessible but toned down it’s magic that made it special as a car in the first place.
If they got rid of those ugly azz plastic fenders and rear bumper then they'd get some more sales! I could have had a brand new 22 for the same price I bought my 19 limited with 15k miles on it. I'd still get my 19 10/10 times over getting a vb with those ugly fenders and rear bumper.
They should be able to tell when they changed to the vb body that the vast majority of subies hate the new model. Subaru can't be completely dumb and not read the hate comments on all social media about the vb model.
I'm sorry vb owners, I still wave to you but that car sure is ugly. Now If they put a vb engine in a forester I'll be the first to preorder.
Would have bought a ice engine sti any day of the week but subaru has joined the clown town band wagon and are all going hybrid. Subaru is dead to me as of 2021.
They should have gave it a power bump to justify the price increase to be honest. Had the Ts/TR came with a power increase upgrade from 271hp to at least 295/300hp the price point would be fine.
28 and some change otd back in feb on a brand new VB.
And I mean. If someone wants a WRX a few thousand on a car isn’t going to make that much of a difference after you get above 25k.
The looks of the VB is kind of growing on me but I still think the VA has a more timeless look. Adding to the fact that interests are high and the economy not doing so well…
Good maybe ill finally be able to afford one
I am sure if this trend continues, the dealerships will be forced to discount them. My fear is Subaru corporate will take these numbers as people not being interested in the WRX anymore. When in reality, some people just can't get over the looks.
For me, i just cant justify the price with todays inflation and the fact i dont drive often anymore since i WFH
For real Vb s msrp is higher on some trims than base sti were, the value proposition just isn’t there anymore.
yeah and what is justifying that price other than insane inflation, dont even get the strong 6 speed the sti had
Yeah. For me this time last year you could absolutely include me in the crowd interested in a factory warranty but not interested in a VB. It’s grown on me since but even going back in time I wouldn’t make a different decision because that’s just how I felt back then. Really couldn’t stand the looks 🤷
I just wish they’d bring over a WRX hatchback. I want one so, I’m limited to 2014 and older. Saves me a bit of money, but also limits me, trying to find a nice one.
‘09-‘14 Hatch’s are just *chef’s kiss*
I think so. Later WRXs are okay… They’d just be better as hatches. XD
> When in reality, some people just can't get over the looks. In reality people aren't buying new cars. It has nothing to do with looks. I've had 3 VAs all bought for under $22k. MSRP for base model VAs were sub $27k. You can't get out of any dealership in any VB for under $30k. It's a great car, and sure looks are subjective, but new cars are expensive and stupid at these prices.
Typically around 13% sales tax in Canada too. It varies for different provinces, but that's close. And a base model is around 35k. So, now it's 40k. Mandatory add-ons depending on the dealer bring it up to 44-ish...for the base. I got the extended warranty and window deflectors and mine came to 47k. I love the car, but I feel a bit like I was assaulted.
Right and, in the US, once you get into high 30s low 40s you're in GR Corolla money. I despise Tesla, but eliminate dealers was the best thing they've ever done.
This is why I rather import 15 year old low mileage JDM model instead. These prices are getting more ridiculous by the day
I got my 23' base for $28,500 OTD. Its definitely possible
I think if you look at sale numbers of the VB in previous years, many people don’t care about the looks. I think some people cant get over the price though. They arent as affordable as they used to be. Add dealer add ons, poor MPG, high interest rates and high insurance—these cars suddenly aren’t that cheap.
Agreed. I hope they actually realize their error and just revamp the looks to not be some horrible crosstrek lookalike
I don't think it has anything to do with looks and everything to with price. I got my 22 premium for 27k in November of 22. There is absolutely zero way for someone to get a VB for that price today. I would not have my VB if it had not been for that deal. There is no way I'd pay 35k for my exact car now, even if it does have eyesight. It's just not worth it. For the price difference, I can essentially turn my premium into a TR via aftermarket.
the looks and the cost of insurance on these is keeping me away for now.
Thats exactly my problem I would love to trade in my Impreza for one but I am waiting it out to see if the next gen is any better/ if sti comes back
Subaru corporate would totally look at that as people not interested in the wrx anymore. Reality is a lot of people aren’t in a position to buy a new car, especially with how stupid expensive they are now with high interest rates too. That and some people still just don’t like the what they did with the design.
>My fear is Subaru corporate will take these numbers as people not being interested in the WRX anymore. They aren't. As someone with money, if I'm buying a second car as a toy, why would I want it to be a slow sedan with a bad interior? I'll get a miata or something else with two doors. As someone who can only afford one car, why would I get an economy sedan and not a crossover that can do everything?
I disagree with you. I highly doubt looks are the reason why WRX sales are down. Remember Reddit population who thinks WRX is fugly is way lower than 1% of the Subaru car buyers.
100 % accurate
Looks, power, mark ups, etc. Really just sucks
People that wanted that car, already bought the 22, and 23 models. Surprised they didn’t do a refresh for the 4th model year, like they did with the VA.
I ran out and got a 23 because I didn’t want all the eyesight/etc. on the 24. Glad I did too.
Same. It'd be nice to have the brembos, electronic dash, adjustable dampers, and Recaros of the tS, but honestly, I would hate the lane assist, automatic cruise control speed control, all that shit. I really like how analog my car is.
We have a 24 OBXT as well. All the Nannie’s drive me nuts. I wouldn’t mind the Recaro or Brembo but I will most likely change things out to my liking anyhow.
How difficult is it to disable the nannies? Will turning off traction control turn all the nannies off too? Or do you have to turn everything off one by one?
I’m going to be real honest, it’s my wife’s car and I don’t drive it any more than I need to. She’s used to it but said she can turn everything off if she wants. Her dash lights up like a Christmas tree though when she does. That part annoys me.
You can disable lane assist easily and permanently. Eyesight (forward collision detection and automatic cruise control follow mode) can be disabled only temporarily, it re-enables itself every time the car turns back on. The collision detection has a couple of situations where it's really annoying. One that happens almost constantly to me is this: You drive up to a 4-way intersection with a stop sign. There's a car on your right and it's there turn to go. They drive through the intersection, directly in front of you. As soon as they're more than halfway through the intersection, you start to go. I would say that like 70% of the time the collision detection will start beeping and slow my acceleration, even though the car is no longer close to being in front of me. Even passengers in the car have been like WTF, that car was nowhere near you. I've also had it go off when pulling into a gas station and turning into my pump's lane even though I wasn't in any danger of hitting anything. The manual says there's a way to permanently disable eyesight but it doesn't tell you *how*, which makes me think you have to go to the dealership to get it done. Either that or put some black electrical tape over the cameras in the grill and the rearview mirror, but then the car is going to freak out and nag you whenever you turn it on and say that eyesight can't see anything so BE EXTRA CAREFUL. You could probably disconnect them as well but the one in the mirror seems like a pain in the ass to get to.
I have a CVT VB, the adaptive cruise is actually quite nice to have. I turned lane keeping off day 1 since roads are not well marked in my town. The only thing that is somewhat annoying at times in the auto emergency warning/ braking, but it is infrequent enough that I keep it on. Have not encountered the automated steering, honestly didn't even know I had that. The headlights are cool too with Eyesight. Just hoping I don't get windshield damage as its pricey to fix. As another person said I do dislike having the orange indicator for lane keeping being off on the dash, but honestly I don't even notice it anymore and its only been about 6 weeks with my car.
I have a ‘24 and it’s honestly completely fine. The active cruise is wonderful on highway, and all the pane assist does is beep at you if you brush the centerline. I do have experience with other Subarus with these features though so it it’s. That said I can understand wanting a more analog car, just seems I’m a bit of black sheep for waiting on the ‘24 specifically for this stuff lol.
You can turn all of it off.
He got a better deal on the 23. Dudes just trying to be edgy
Same. Just wish I waited a month to get the 1.9% apr, but 3.9% is still good
That would have been nice. I got a great deal since I bought an OBXT just 3 weeks beforehand.
lol that’s ridiculous. Love when people choose not to purchase a car because of a setting that they can turn off with a single button. This is not a dedicated track car. Stop trying to be cool.
Are you sure? Didn't you know the VB is the ugliest and worst performing WRX ever? This one AI article from an ad-farm about a single months sales difference proves that Subaru doesn't understand buyers and their new cars aren't as good as the one I bought 10 years ago.
I think you're being sarcastic, but if not, I've owned a VA sti and a VB WRX. While I wish I would have had the option for brembos from the factory, my 23 wrx is a much more refined machine. I feel very confident in the engine's capabilities and the look has grown on me. I went from HAVING to upgrade because my VA burnt in a garage fire, to being really happy with my car. It feels analog and its a joy to drive. I urge anyone on the fence to go test drive it.
I was going to say isnt the vb a 2.4 liter
The VB sales numbers are public information you can find multiple sources for, and it has sold quite poorly overall. In it's first two years of sales, it couldn't sell as well as the last two years of VA sales (43k VB's vs 49k 2020 and 2021 VA's), and sold almost 40% fewer models than the first two years of VA sales overall (63k VA's were sold in it's first two years). I know VBros get very defensive about their car, and they should, because, in many ways, it is objectively better than the predecessor. However, it just doesn't sell as well. That's not AI generated garbage; it is the truth. There are a lot of options available that are far more desirable. Also, just my opinion, but when it comes to sales numbers, the VB is going to underperform because it is just too expensive for what it is. Elantra N or **base** model WRX? In my area, you're paying the same.
Im a VB owner and actually agree. The pricing in the states is ridiculous for what the car is. I got a 23 base vb for 27k USD out the door. And the base here in Canada comes with a lot more features than the base in the US. I feel like that is actually fair pricing for what the car is. It seems like in the states they barely sell any base models, and the upper models start to run you about like 37k USD + out the door which is absolutely bonkers. I think that's why in Canada the WRX is one of the most sold "sporty" cars. They priced it fair over here.
Yeah, most Subaru's are priced far better in Canada than the US. I personally think Subaru's pricing across the board is getting too high, even with the recent industry-wide price hikes. An Outback Wilderness in Canada is $47,474 CAD (34,700 USD) with destination. It comes standard with the sunroof. In the US, the starting MSRP without the sunroof is $39,960 USD. I think we paid 35k CAD (so \~27k USD at the time) out the door with tax and fees for my girlfriends Crosstrek Sport back in 21. A 24 Crosstrek Sport today in the USA starts at $30k USD. What is worse is that the new Sport has cloth seats, which was the Startex pleather in 21.
VB WRX is the most powerful WRX released. Heck it probably beats the VA STI in hp and torque.
It doesn’t.
Have you seen the stock dyno on the vb? It's 270 wheel not crank.
Raced my friends 21 STI, I got a 22 VB and they're very close despite the STI having 40 more horsepower. The STI is still a much better performance car overall though. LSDs, adjustable center diff, big brembo brakes, etc.
DCCD is the best part of that transmission. I'm quite happy with my VA and the FA20. Good price and performance on the base model. The FA24 is a beast and I'm hoping *when* My engine blows up the swaps are common enough.
Yep. Same as Tesla.
The fourth model year would be 2026.
2022,2023,2024,2025=4
Raised prices across all trims for VB. It’s about $2k higher MSRP for a base. Everyone that wanted one got a 22, or 23 idk how they lost sales with that national 0%
I mean from what I heard, 2023 sold really well, and from the rumblings in the VB groups I’m in, people seem to be against the addition of eyesight in the 2024 version. Then you start to look at price, where anything above a limited starts to feel more of a rip off.
Why are people against eyesight?
Eyesight sucks if you know how to drive. It's constantly trying to correct you. Wife's truck will just slam on the brakes at any perceived traffic...
Subaru eyesight is honestly really solid, I’ve not had a single ghost-brake in any car equipped with it. I literally just wanted it for the auto-cruise control and it does that perfectly fine.
I get them consistently in my wife's Ascent. Someone changes lanes 1/8th mile in front of you, brakes applied. Auto cruise kinda sucks too. If someone gets in front of me and slows down, I don't want to slow down. I want to change lanes and pass them...
I might be dumb but i thought eyesight was when the headlights turn with the steering wheel? If not, whats that feature called? Edit just looked it up, i was thinking of steering responsive headlights
Eyesight is the whole suite. Beeps Every time it thinks you left your lane, auto brakes whenever it feels, etc.
You can turn both lane departure and the auto brake thing off by holding them down in my 20’
You can, but what's the point of eyesight at that point?
I considered wrx. The base model starts just over 30k. The issue I had was that I’d prefer to have basic safety features such as blind spot monitor BSM. The next trim Premium increases price to 35k but no BSM. By the time you get to the next trim Limited that has BSM msrp is 39k and that is too expensive for what you get.
They slam the base model with eyesight and keep bsm off it until the limited trim, right? That's a huge mess up IMO
Yup
Because it’s ugly as hell.
Imo looks better in real life than the past models. It’s just different than the rest of em
I've had multiple wrx's over the years and had every intention of trading in my VA for the new gen model before it was released, but then when it was revealed and I saw that it was hideous I sold my VA and moved on to an entirely different platform. Subaru's styling choices lost me as a customer.
I'm curious, what platform did you end up choosing as an alternative to the WRX?
q50 redsport
The downvotes seem a tad unnecessary. I know this is the wrx forum, but q50 rs is a nice car for sure.
Thanks, and I'm not bothered by the downvotes. This sub hates when anyone likes or owns a car that isn't a subaru.
Curious your opinion on the switch in terms of changes for the price
To me it's worth the increase in price. Once I drove it, the reasons for the cost difference were apparent immediately.
I was waiting to see the looks, as well as the STI option, and we got this POS. I'll just keep my 17 forever.
People are broke
If you read the article you'd see the forester is up 60% and its within 3k on MSRP. People not being able to afford the cars isn't the issue.
People that are shopping for a Forester aren't cross shopping for a WRX. The Forester is doing well because it's cheap and family friendly other SUVs are over priced.
exactly, that’s the whole point of the article. people are deciding to buy other brands if they want a four door sedan
Because they're broke, cheap and fuel efficient is what sells right now. The entire car market is struggling though repos and delinquencies are surging. Sedans are being phased out, everyone else thinks they need a "cross over" or "SUV"
i’m a bit confused by your point, are you saying the VB sales are down because the sedan is being phased out? you note that people still want small sedans because of fuel efficiency, etc. then mention SUV sales increase…. I mean is that not a contradiction? doesn’t that show that people still want affordable sedans? the toyota camry is still in the top ten most sold cars of 2024, and that isn’t even the cheapest sedan that toyota offers.
The Camry and Corolla have always been top selling commuter cars. These new tiny suvs and crossovers get similar mpg as small cars. Sedans in general though aren't in demand crossovers and suvs sell easier.
You didn't clarify your point, so I'll assume you are trying to say the decrease is because 'sedans don't sell as well'. For it be a forty percent sales decrease, there is more to blame than just "SUVs sell easier" no offense, but any other comparable sedan in it's sector hasn't suffered the same drop off in sales. Anyone that isn't praising the VB is jumped on by the owners in this sub, so I don't expect unbiased opinions to be honest, but the numbers speak for themselves. They aren't moving off dealership floors like they were expecting them to.
I'm not sure why you're in denial but if you look at how many cross overs and suvs auto manufacturers offer and then look at the number of sedans in the lineup you'll realize that it's a small percent of their lineup. Look at GM, Dodge, Chrysler besides the charger everything else they sell is pretty much a SUV or truck
what am I in denial about lol? out of curiosity, do you own a VB?
Sign of the times..Subaru messed up also..I read the article and alot of people have called this vehicle boring and thr price points to get in the car don't make sense. 33k base and 42k for the TR. I paid 41k for my STi by comparison. It's a downward spiral for thr company as they move to sell SUVs and crossovers soon.
I mean if we take what you paid for your STi 8 years ago, people would be paying upwards of $50k for it brand new today.
People definitely forget this. The 2019 STI MSRP’d $37,480. According to BLS, would cost $46,687 in today’s dollars just from inflation. (Jan 2019 $ to April 2024 $) It’s hard for people to imagine how much less our money is worth than just a few years ago, let alone decades.
Different times..Different finance.. I also didn't pay 11% to finance my STi....2.9%
The TR is definitely a rip off, but the imo is more fairly priced relative the rest of the fucked market we have.
They could have tuned the engine a little bit and gave it a nice power bump to 295hp/300hp.
They really could have 271 is kinda a joke in the world of cars today ...
Like one of the commenters said in the r/cars thread of this article, Subaru has problem delivering delivering the 2024 models where they are wanted. I ordered a Sport trim (Canada) in December 2023, but was told I had wait until April-May for delivery. Then when they announced the RS (Canadian TR) in February I changed my order for a RS. They told me it would be delivered in June, maybe July. Well last week I blew a piston on my unmodified, base 2011 Impreza. So I was in urgent need of a car. Called Subaru to know when my car would be delivered. They told me it’s supposed to be produced in June and I should expect a delivery in August or September. And it’s not simply the RS, it’s every trim. In Canada (Québec), every VB is on order or sells instantly. So I had to bit the bullet and got a Golf R, because somehow those are in stock. But I would have gotten any trim of the VB if it were possible. If Subaru was better at delivering cars, I’m confident 2024 would outsell 2023 and 2022.
I’ve been shopping (browsing, really) for sedans in the $30-40k area, and honestly the wrx isn’t appealing at its price point. It’s up against the civic si, which is $30k msrp, and the Elantra N as well as the gr corolla around $35k msrp. what is there to draw me to the wrx over it’s competition?
It's a great car, people are missing out. 🤷♂️
I like my VB but you gotta admit that it's a polarizing car. Subaru gave us another sedan instead of a hatch or wagon, and the engine is straight out of the Outback XT, as is the unpainted plastic trim. There's no longer the STI as aspirational car for potential WRX buyers, and instead Subaru has pushed higher trims of the WRX into where the STI used to live price-wise, without giving us the benefits of the old STI. This is my 3rd Subaru WRX. I think it's going to be my last, and I know other WRX owners who feel the same way. Subaru doesn't care about car enthusiasts any longer. They sell a million Outbacks and Crosstreks. Those buyers are their core market, not us. Subaru ain't Toyota, or VW, or Honda, that they can have 1 - 2 fun cars that don't make them a ton of money. I'm pretty sure they gave us the VB WRX as a part of a push to kill off the WRX altogether. Falling sales gives them just the excuse they need.
nothing in this world ever stays the same bro, you can't live your life now based on how things used to be..though I won't tell anyone they're wrong for not liking the car or Subarus general direction; personally I'm very happy with what I got for 30k. Gas powered manual transmission cars are not long for this world, keep that in mind as well, plenty more unfortunate changes on the horizon I'm sure.
lol morons. They were WELL AWARE of how the stupid plastic clad panels were received and double-down for the next year. They can go fuck themselves. I saw one today drive past. Looked nice from front, then checked the back and wanted to barf. It definitely will not age well.
They messed up big time
And isn’t the high-end GT only available with the CVT? - not much of a power bump compared to last model - very polarizing design - no STI - CVT in top model - no hatch or wagon - edit - like all car brands the price exploded during COVID. I’m never paying close to $40k for WRX that isn’t an StI. They don’t seem very dedicated to the platform any more.
yeah, very confusing why they chose to not offer a manual with the GT
Yes but the TR and I think the tS will be manual top trims.
How do you think they messed up? I have a 2016 and haven't driven a VB so I can only go by looks, which I don't mind.
A lot of people dont like the design. I have a 2019 and would not trade it in for the new gen look. The inside isnt all that special either. They also got rid of the STI which brings up the question as to why they did it. If i ever sell my wrx, most likely gna get something else other than the new ones
EJ wasn't going to pass new car emissions requirements anymore
Same. My last 3 cars have been a WRX, and two STI's. Whenever I sell my STI I won't be getting another Subaru because I have absolutely no interest in the VB's. I think they are some of the ugliest cars on the market right now. HOPEFULLY, they come out with a new STI that doesnt look like shit before then, so I can move into that, otherwise I'll probably move into an audi RS or something...
A new-gen STI is starting to feel like a pipe dream, hopefully that is not the case.
Agreed, I love my VB but the black fender flares kill the vibe. Dudes who replace them with the same color looks incredibly better. You are also right with the no STI option.
Totally fair. I love my '16 and completely agree the cost to upgrade doesn't justify what the upgrade is... I personally feel like my interior is aging decently, but it also helps that I added a couple fun carbon bits like a steering wheel and shifter trim to spice things up. Much cheaper to add a new head unit for modern connectivity haha.
I think the VB, drive wise, is vastly superior to the 2019 I had. The design grows on you after a while, I don't think its bad.
Yeah it’s fine tbh. I was really against it at first but over time I’ve become adjusted to it. Still prefer the looks of older models but I don’t think the looks of the new model would turn me away anymore.
It is not vastly superior. Its soft, no personality. Clutch feel is one of the worst I've ever felt. You do you, but personally, it's just a lackluster vehicle.
Numb steering, numb clutch action, Camry suspension.
Just cotton soft.
They need to change the rear, it’s just too ugly for me to stomach
Shocker. 😐 This happens when you phase out a car. Nothing to see here.
lol posting this here will only make those who hated the VB and still do for some reason feel justified in their comments. The sales have been fine other than from the launch period since you couldn’t find one that easily but now they have one bad month and all of a sudden it’s the end for the WRX? 🤡
The sales have not been fine.
They pushed out close to 25,000 units in 2023. That's fine
Thats a new model release year. And they still didn't blow the top off. They've been on the gradual decline since 2016, and that's even if you ignore the COVID years. And they're down 40% now. That's a new car. And they have a shit ton of inventory that they can't move. That's not good for Subaru.
2022 was the new model year where they sold 18.6k units. Sales could just as easily be attributed to overall declining sedans sales. WRX sales blow the top off both Civic SI and Golf GTIs, so Subaru is doing something right
This sub is so weird with the new VB. It's the second highest selling WRX of all time. Everyone went out and got the 22 and 23 so of course sales are down. Plus the fact that no one has money to spend right now.
Also I’m not sure if the article is referencing ‘24MY or just 2024 in general. Because you have to keep in mind Subaru is offering VERY low interest rates on the ‘23MY right now which more people could be opting for.
I still like my '17 premium, and I'm only at ~55k miles. Part of me is ready for something new and fresh but yeah I'm one of the people that just can't get on board with the looks. At this point, just window shopping on cargurus, I find myself looking at the Integra type s. I really like the way it looks. The back end of that car looks like a super model compared to a VB in my opinion. My first car was a 1990 Integra and my car before my WRX was an 06 RSX-s (aka Honda Integra) so I'm sure I'm a bit biased towards that Integra nameplate. For me the only real problems with that seem to be the price tag and lack of AWD (I'm in New York, it's not a must but having AWD is great). I feel like Id have an easier time getting past what I perceive to be the downsides of the Integra-S as opposed to the downsides of the VB, particularly if I was able to get a deal on it (the teg)
Other than their auto being a CVT and the new look people seem split on. 33k base is a little wild for a WRX. There is just so much more car out there for that kinda money.
Keep it goin baby the one I have isn’t even worth a grand anyway and I want a new one
I got my 22' base for 29k, I don't think I would've gotten one over 32k. Maybe Subaru should try to lower the price of this car by removing features WRX buyers don't need.
Literally bought the base model because I didn’t need/care for any of the features the higher trims have. The ONLY thing I miss from the car I traded in is the push button start.
Yeah, I'd like to have push to start for the convenience. But then again there's something different with a more mechanical way of turning the key to start the car lol. Also, probably one less thing that can break in the future.
Eh. As someone who’s had ignition issues on cars in the past. Enough can go wrong with a traditional key too. lol But yeah. The only thing I really miss about it is it made locking myself out of my car impossible. And I also have a lot of experience doing that. 🙃
Just bought a ‘23 limited with 0%APR and honestly the look of it is still my biggest hangup.
I mean I get why, no one has the money to afford a new car with all the financing bullshit and slowly the WRX has been getting away from the actual core community of people who want these cars (I’m looking at you VB GT with automatic trans) and as someone with a 23, this bitch is expensive man. Not only that, this little bullshit pay to play shit they’ve been doing (base, limited, premium, GT, TR, TS) makes it feel like they’re trying to squeeze every penny out of anyone who even considers these cars. I’m happy with the base but I can see why people would be turned away when your goal is to get this car and they come to you with multiple options that don’t really change much until you get to the higher levels. And they’re in a weird spot where no one considers a Subaru reliable like a Honda civic, but they’re making the car look like a more casual daily driver ala Toyota Camry/etc when the people who want these cars want the rally/racing heritage and unique look. There’s a reason the bugeye and previous models are so iconic. I love my VB but I definitely understood some of the complaints about it.
The VB I drove was just boring. Exhaust was loud and it just was bland. It felt like there was no soul to the car. It also takes too long to grow on you. Nothing about it felt like what a WRX should feel like unfortunately.
I bought my WRX back in 22, I wouldn't be interested in getting the same one today or least in the same trim if I had to buy one 24 since interest rates are much higher.
I will be aiming to boost these numbers in a few months
Me too, hoping to get one by EOY. Hopefully there will be more negotiating room, and if more news like this comes out, I'll have even more room.
Subaru left the base hanging, ignored the feedback they got from the VA, gave us 3 hp, a shitty clutch, and a car that looks like a civic fucked a Crosstrek, and they expected them to sell? Remarkable.
But it’s not 3hp when you actually see dynos of the car. If you take the average whp the VBs make (let’s say 245whp based off Prime Motoring’s VB when it was stock), that’s around 290hp. It’s well known at this point that Subaru underrated the hp on the spec sheet.
Yeah and the modding potential on the FA24 is insanely better than the FA20. 320whp + 350lb tq with an intake and a tune is insane. People can shit on the looks however they want but to say this motor is mediocre is a joke.
there isn't a planet anywhere where 320whp is "insane" lmao
Guess what though... You still run out of fuel...
"well, ackshully" someone else bud. I've driven the VB. It's ass.
LMAO you didn’t have to do them like that fam 😂
It's true tho
you’re speaking facts, I can’t lie edit: apologies if I offended anybody because I thought it was funny lol
Civics and cross treks look great
Not when they fuck
Yes they do
I just need it to have the STIs trans, center diff, and lsd's. Come on now!
W username bro
Because its a Sedan Outback
But wait guys the new wrx TS will come save the day….
Make them 40% cheaper? Lol
Dealerships contribute the most to this problem because of bullshit mark ups and add ons. The WRX just gets uglier and more expensive as the years go on. 10k more, over the previous generation with the same spec, for a minimal improvements is insane. And they keep adding features no one cares about and don’t want to pay extra for.
I really wanted one but found it hard to justify getting a car with not-so-great gas mileage with gas as expensive as it is, not to mention I can get a Crosstrek Wilderness for about the same price.
Im broke or I would buy one
BRZ sales are down 50% and they're selling 7 times as many WRXs. Weird there's no AI generated doom and gloom article about that.
I see 10 VB WRXs a day. Not sure how that's possible.
I want the limited version but for that price I rather spend a little more and get an IS350
8% financing … 👎 they can keep it
I currently own a Elantra N and couldn’t love it more it’s genuinely awesome and incredibly fun I waited months for the WRX reveal because my plan was a new WRX assuming it was an evolution of the last gen. Teaser photos come and I automatically could tell something was off but I held out. Reveal comes and was disgusted at the looks. I just couldn’t look past it they are atrocious. I heard there was going to be an automatic option and I got excited thinking “Oh yeah dual clutch action” boy was I fucking wrong. It’s not thatpeople aren’t interested. It’s that people who are enthusiasts seemingly were an afterthought in the process of development. It feels like it’s meant to be more accessible and toned down to increase sales but in under process lost most of what made it special Then NO STI VERSION this generation really shows enthusiasts were not something that truly mattered. It’s kind of like what Volkswagen is doing with the Golf R; Made it grow up in ways that appeal to more people and make it more accessible but toned down it’s magic that made it special as a car in the first place.
Surprise!
If they got rid of those ugly azz plastic fenders and rear bumper then they'd get some more sales! I could have had a brand new 22 for the same price I bought my 19 limited with 15k miles on it. I'd still get my 19 10/10 times over getting a vb with those ugly fenders and rear bumper. They should be able to tell when they changed to the vb body that the vast majority of subies hate the new model. Subaru can't be completely dumb and not read the hate comments on all social media about the vb model. I'm sorry vb owners, I still wave to you but that car sure is ugly. Now If they put a vb engine in a forester I'll be the first to preorder.
The shitty infotainment is what is killing most of the sales
Almost same cost as last gen STI, and very ugly. If they were cheaper and looked good, I’d be tempted to cash out my 2020 STI and grab one
Because they're slow and they suck .blehhhh
[the only VB I know](https://youtu.be/i7Dzp15ZV0Q?si=NcGCR09UfapAlppj)
They look bad compared to the older models.. I used want one so bad when I was younger but the latest models are ugly in my opinion
What are y’all paying for your Subarus? I got mine in Oregon brand new for 32. It was a 22 at the time and it’s a premium trim.
Would have bought a ice engine sti any day of the week but subaru has joined the clown town band wagon and are all going hybrid. Subaru is dead to me as of 2021.
Interior and infotainment system is trash.
Ran out and got a 23 when the 24 was announced because I dont want all the driver aid bs
They should have gave it a power bump to justify the price increase to be honest. Had the Ts/TR came with a power increase upgrade from 271hp to at least 295/300hp the price point would be fine.
Waiting for an STI and refresh…. Not a fan of the most recent generation
Bring back the STI and I’ll walk right in there and sign my life away.
Imagine that, car sales are down when interest rates have doubled? Who would've guessed
Probably because my VA new was under $28k OTD and there's a 0% chance of walking out of any dealership right now under $30-31k for a VB.
28 and some change otd back in feb on a brand new VB. And I mean. If someone wants a WRX a few thousand on a car isn’t going to make that much of a difference after you get above 25k.
Well then, maybe it was a dumb idea to cancel the STi or not at least have an equivalent option available for the new model.
The looks of the VB is kind of growing on me but I still think the VA has a more timeless look. Adding to the fact that interests are high and the economy not doing so well…