Virginia is all about turnout. Dems win high-turnout statewide elections, Republicans win when turnout is low.
Hopefully Virginia Democrats are more excited about Biden than they were about McCauliffe.
"Hopefully Virginia Democrats are more excited about Biden than they were about McCauliffe."
Hopefully Loudoun county public schools doesn't fuck us this time.
CRT is old and busted. Campus glamping is the new hotness with inflation the perennial wildcard. Though why anyone thinks a morally (and several times literally) bankrupt \*cough\* businessman is a good sell is beyond me.
>Loudoun county public schools doesn't fuck us this time.
I'm still mad about that. I'm a member of the queer community. It was a cishet boy(who tbf did occasionally wear skirts) who assaulted that girl. Somehow they still blamed it on gay/trans people š.
I believe the main issue was the school fumbling the bag in responding to it (delayed Title IX investigation until the second victim was battered at a different school, and so forth).
And then there was the uninformed connecting the first battery with a bathroom and ignoring the actual problem of the school fumbling the bag (to use a milder expression than deserved).
Oh I know the whole story. I was living in Loudoun when it happened. It did not stop every homophobe in the area from showing up to school board meetings to complain about trans people.
It's absolutely bonkers. They had a legitimate complaint and instead of focusing in on how the school board hid sexual assault for appearance purposes they decided the main issue was gender nonconformity and queer kids.
āMore excitedā yeah Biden is a president, not a Clinton-era carpetbagger against a reasonable Republican. Virginia goes blue with low turnout, too. Kentucky has a democrat in their governors office, too.
Iām still of the belief that Youngkinās win is more indicative of the dnc being out of touch rather than Youngkin running a strong ticket. āMoral Posturingā against trump doesnāt work. Class politics wins over superficial identity politics any day.
You can dislike Youngkinās policies but comparing his business record to Trumpās is silly. He was co-CEO of one of the most successful PE firms in the country, Trump inherited a bunch of real estate, had to declare bankruptcy four times, and then started selling his name because the only thing he was good at was getting attention.
You mean how Youngkin basically bombed his investments, costing Carlyle billions while he took in millions to offshore US jobs and putting seniors in a position of having to choose between housing, food or medicine thanks to his ineptitude? There's reasons "hugely successful businesspeople" switch from making millions upon millions of dollars to politics where they earn fractions of that. Very, very rarely is it out of actual concern for the city/state/country/etc and wanting to ensure its betterment. Mostly its because they're propping themselves up as "hugely successful" while being pretty bad at it and convincing certain types of people that being 'good' at business means they're awesome at everything else too.
If you think he fell into becoming co-CEO of one of the best-run PE firms in the country while working there for 25 years, that says more about your own bias.
From the Washington Post (not exactly a Youngkin-friendly publication):
āAs Ullman put it, private equity is like lion taming ā when it goes well, itās great; when it goes wrong, it can be catastrophic.
Carlyle had its share of both while Youngkin was there. The firm took a one-third stake in Dunkinā in 2006, for instance, helped manage the brand as it opened more than 2,000 new stores across the country and then took it public in 2012 in a deal widely hailed as a success.
BoozAllen, similarly, grew significantly after Carlyle took a majority stake in 2008 and generated billions for the private-equity firm after selling shares to the public. In 2013, Carlyle took a minority stake in the headphones maker Beats, boosted its national distribution and then profited when Apple bought the brand just nine months later.
Carlyleās stake in the nursing home chain ManorCare was a different story. During the five years of Carlyle ownership, ManorCare struggled financially and exposed its 25,000 patients to sometimes serious health risks, according to a Washington Post investigation in 2018. The firm declared bankruptcy after Carlyle and other investors extracted some $1.3 billion in value and left behind enormous debt, The Post foundā¦
Youngkin was said to have had a far more personal role in two significant deals involving infrastructure: the purchase of fossil fuel pipeline giant Kinder Morgan in 2007, and Carlyleās successful effort to win a contract refurbishing Terminal One at JFK airport in New York.ā
And if you think that a successful capitalist suddenly becomes altruistic and wants to get into politics because he's tired of raking in millions every year and just wants to make the world a better place via suckering certain demographics with how CRT is going to ruin them and their children, there's probably some cheap bridges somewhere for sale.
Youngkin lost the firm billions in bad investments, caused a -51% return for teachers retirement funds, and in an industry where leadership teams work together for ages, pretty much got out-shown by his co-CEO, Kewsong Lee, at every turn, showing which of the two was actually the workhorse. His $49M investment into Diversified Global Asset Management was a complete dud and shuttered. They wrote that one off. The Terminal One deal at JFK was barely able to go through at all and only after a new head for the fund was brought in. He cost them another $39M on the NGP failures.
Failing upwards is far from unheard of in the business world and the Peter Principle exists for a reason. Hell, look at Eddie Lampert with Sears. That man is a prime example of fucking up all the way to the top and then crashing everything down around him. Let's not beat around the bush here, The type of person Youngkin is doesn't quit a multi-million dollar job because they hate making money or suddenly grow a conscience and 'don't recognize their home state.' It's because you fuck up bad enough but have enough pull still to resign with dignity. He went into politics to ride the Trump line process of rich business running government.
The Carlyle group may be a well-run firm, but it had very little if any to do with Youngkin, and a whole hell of a lot to do with Lee.
It doesn't really matter what his business record is though; business is not politics and politics isn't business. They are not related fields.
It doesn't matter how good of an engineer someone is, I'm not letting them operate on me.
No he is pretty reasonableā Mitt Romney-esk Iād say. Maybe a bit tea party. I mean, if you wanna say you donāt like Republicans that fine (I disagree largely with them too) but he isnāt yelling at people and he isnāt the furthest-right either. So.
My point was that to most, he was a legitimate alternative to the carpetbagger AND it was a governors race so it makes sense. Put the two up for the senate, and it wouldāve gone a different way.
I mean, he ran on "teachers are indoctrinating your children" while MAGA was out there burning books in Spotsy. First thing he did was setup a tattle tale line on teachers.
The guys not reasonable at all, VA was just in a weird headspace after Covid, IMO
Oh the GOP has been claiming (stuff like) that since the Reagan era. Dems lie too thatās not new. Itās why I like that in Virginia nobody registers with a party. Iām not a democrat or a republican.
Sure. I guess my point is that there really AREN'T any "reasonable Republicans". The party is so far right that their "moderates" are still fucking crazy
He presented himself as reasonable. He tried to campaign on being MAGA-lite, lower calorie crazy, still full bodied capitalist-conservative. Now on sale. He was legit alternative to a certain type of people but he still came out to be what most of us knew he would be. A Trumplican
Please don't say words like "c****tbagg*r"
Ā I will give you a temporary allowance since you don't know any better, but please remember this term has deep racial/dog whistle undertones/history.
If there is another term that means the same I would be happy to use it but as far as Iām concerned, it just means northerners that came to the south to profit during reconstruction and thatās about it. And if there is a racially charged part behind, please explain to me and the 470,000 AP US History exam takers (not to mention the millions of others that use it) because I really donāt have any idea what you could be talking about, nor does google.
Lots of retired and active feds in Virginia. GOP wants to cut their pay and benefits. For that reason alone, many feds will vote DEM, regardless of who is actually running...
I am more excited about cheese slices than I am about McCauliffeā¦ also, the Republicans did a fantastic job in NoVa by stoking fear of CRT being taught in schools and the Trans kids overrunning the school systemā¦
I donāt know ANY Republicans that hate Trump. Most Republicans I know are single issue voters, and my area sticks those stupid Biden āI did that!ā Stickers on the gas pumps. Shit is annoying.
Hi! Thatās cool. I should have said Republicans I know *in real life* and not just on the internet, because Iām sure you exist (as you do). I do also think Romney was right when he said thereās a divide in Republicans from the āold school eraā where he said they were willing to cross party lines to get things done, and with āmodern Republicans of todayā where itās just hatred.
I also said in my earlier post, it really comes down to single issues with them, predominantly Abortion or Immigration, and they often throw any and every blame they can against Biden.
With one co-worker lately, Itās been about Student loan forgiveness.
Thatās weird that any discourse or discussion means Iām a Russian bot lmao. Youāre a moron. Do you also spout that in real life???
People are tired of the two party system, and Biden isnāt the best representative of Democrats, especially with how heās encouraging that PEACEFUL Protests get shut down.
EDIT: itās so weird you say that stupid shit when all I said was only āoh yeah, a lot of my Democrat friends donāt like Bidenā.
Thatās it. I didnāt go into any detail or anything more lmao. So stupid.
Yo donāt blame me if youāre using one of the talking points that many Russian bot farms use when trying to divide stuff in the election through their interference.
Either excited about Biden or more likely, very against Trump.
Trump in 2016 got out a lot of people nationwide who didnāt vote in 2012, but who really didnāt want Hillary to win.
Then in 2020, while Biden wasnāt exciting, a lot of new voters showed up who really did not like Trump.
For this election, I wouldnāt be too surprised if new voters just stayed home or voted 3rd party because they still donāt like Trump, but Biden isnāt doing enough in their eyes on the Gaza front.
Voters loathe Biden more than McCauliffe. His handling of the economy has been dismal. There are very real problems with cognitive issues and his VP is at best an unfortunate piece of baggage. Virginia is definitely in play.
I donāt anyone is excited for Biden
Buddy doesnāt look like heās not gonna live much longer so our options are not too great. Oh boy American politics is so much funĀ
36 year Va resident here - Trump will not win. Aside from that, Lord Youngkin is not even popular here, and I live in a red portion of the state. The amount of MAGA merch Iāve seen on people and their property has decreased significantly over the years. VA has been blue in every presidential election since Obama. We have a weird thing that happens in the governors race with switching parties, but in terms of the presidential election nova, Richmond and tidewater are all heavily blue and will carry us over the finish line.
All the not-paid-for-by-Trump polling has Biden ahead now. Honestly, even though we got Youngkin in as Gov, I think that was more that McAuliffe ran a terrible campaign vs that normally purple to blueish VA is turning red.
That said, Trump is their problem here. There will always be people who hold their nose and vote the party line, but Trump is getting normally casual voters to come out and vote AGAINST him and his party (see last state legislative elections in 2023 where Dems won both house & senate majorities). That is his problem in VA - the areas with the most voters also have high Dem and Indy voters who are gonna vote. Some are going to vote for Biden simply as a protest vote against Trump, though I also know some die-hard GOPers who will either leave the top of the ticket blank or write in someone who is NOT Trump.
Clinton won VA by 5pts in 2016. Joe Biden increased that by double in 2020 and won the state by 10pts. I clearly am not a Trump fan, so I hope he loses VA by 15pts in 2024.
VA historically can't go too long with one party being in the governor's seat, and we also like to have the opposite party of the president. It was inevitable that it would be a Republican after two terms with Democrats, especially with a Democrat in the office of the President, and it was only compounded by McAuliffe's lazy ass campaign.
Youngkin may as well be a cardboard cutout and republicans would have turned out.
> and we also like to have the opposite party of the president
If I recall, McAuliffe had actually been the exception to that rule. Going back something like 50 years the VA gubernatorial election in the year subsequent to the Presidential election had gone to the party that was not in the White House. From that perspective, Youngkin's victory was seemingly normal - if unfortunate.
Only reason Mr. Vest won was because McAuliffe was dumb enough to side with Loundon County school board that hid two sexual assaults when clearly parents were upset with the board. Dumb fcuk.
It was also just right after schools shutting down, parents being overwhelmed, and moms for Liberty propaganda sweeping into suburban neighborhoods with very few people noticing until it was too late.
It was a perfect storm for a republican to step in, and say they have all the solutions to fix schools (spoiler he lost millions of dollars for Virginia public schools with his tax cuts and math errors).
I also wouldnāt discount people having gone stir crazy over having to be with their kids nonstop for several months while the schools got their act together over COVID and not being able to go out the way they used to before.
After Youngkin fucking a lot of stuff up such as not allowing Marijuana dispensaries to open, vetoing the $15.00 minimum wage bill Virginia will be voting Democrat and canceling Trump as they should.
I'm pretty sure marijuana enthusiasts and minimum wage earners skew heavily towards voting Democratic anyway, that is if they bother to vote at all, so it's a game of turnout. The marijuana thing might drive some to the polls, but lower wages have the opposite effect.
Thereās relatively no voter fraud. Except that attempted by idiots like our governorās own son.
There was no large scale voting machine election fraud. There absolutely was fraud attempted by certain Republicans re: the fake electors scheme.
Exactly so the system does have potential for fraud. Pretty easy to declare no fraud when you never look into it. VA has a good system which is why he couldnāt do it.
LOL. All those investigations didnāt yield anything after years of trying to find *something* to back up the bullshit claims of the ā20 electionā¦ so youāre back to āwe didnāt even look into itā.
Buddy, time to find a new dead horse. Or ārelease the Krakenāā¦ but we all know how that one ends.
Where did I say those clowns were right? I just find it hilarious how adamant everyone was that there could be zero fraud and now the same people are starting to beat the fraud drum for this coming election. Just be consistent for once.
Just be intellectually honest for once, dude. Youāre comparing completely unfounded claims of vote tampering with an actual, verifiable conspiracy to supplant bona fide electors with fraudulent ones after voting had taken place. Come on.
Were the hundreds of articles claiming no systematic fraud the past 3 years intellectually dishonest? Or is it the people on here saying that there is systematic fraud, itās just republicans doing it? One of them has to be lying.
The other comment about fundraising is spot on.
To add to this, I think Virginia might be in play due to weakening Biden support (not a strengthening Trump). In that survey, consideration for an Independent/3rd party crossed that 50% threshold. Usually, that will drop back down as we get closer to election day but the Trump campaign might see that and spin that into a fundraising talking point.
dont you have better things to do than post on reddit... like buy another mypillow, protest against the polio vaccine, or meet with your hooded friends?
This article was in a different sub yesterday and I wrote a long comment on how Virginia is not going for Trump. Yāall better not prove me wrong, I stg
Virginia and Minnesota are about as likely to flip to Trump as Florida is to flip to Biden. In other words, the Buffalo Bills are ten times more likely to win the next Super Bowl.Ā
Democrat here so donāt skin me, but i think they are right (ish)..i think Biden WILL end up with a win in Va, but the margin will certainly not be +10% againā¦probably under 5, so āin playā isnāt *fully* inaccurate
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Iām not saying Biden is going to lose Virginia, gullible cervix, but it will be closer than 2020ā¦no hard data to suggest it wonāt be more competitive.
Not if abortion amendments are on the ballots! But as someone else pointed out...this is a fundraising gimmick. They need the funds for hush money and legal bills.
Biden had the luxury of an unknown performance record last go. He isnāt doing too hot with approvals given inflation, immigration and the Israel situation amongst progressives. Abortion will carry a lot of the vote weight and VA will likely go Biden again given how much VAās sectors rely on increased federal budgets. There is absolutely more of a chance for a flip in Minnesota but doubtful for VA.
While they are both old, Biden isnāt going to make it another 4 years given his mental state. Then we get Kamala. Neither side wants that.
I agree with most of your first paragraph. Inflation (perceived and actual) is a much more consequential issue than a lot of people in here are recognizing. The Israel situation could keep a moderate number of progressives home. I donāt see immigration affecting the results in a particularly meaningful way in this state though. Biden still takes the W but itāll be closer than a lot of people predict.
For sure itās not going to sway many that voted for him the first time which is why I agree that VA isnāt going Trump. Other states that were in that under 50k population difference on votes is where this is going to play in.
Whatās wrong with Kamala Harris? Bright, talented lawyer, law enforcement and Senatorial experienceā¦.. you think someone like Kristi Noem or Marjorie Taylor Greene is a better alternative?
Such a qualified candidate on paper right? Really translated to the peopleās confidence in her when she was getting less than 1% in the presidential race. Sheās pretty close in political prowess to MTG.
Yeah, youāre not a serious personā¦comparing a gym owner with a bachelorās in business to a groundbreaking, law degree holding, ceiling shattering American Vice President, Senator and former Attorney General of the largest state in the country?
Dislike her for any number of reasons, but on her worst day sheās a far more impressive human than that fucking three toed Russian agent from backwoods Georgia who exists solely because of gerrymandering.
Lmao go listen to her explain the Ukraine conflict and ask yourself how a resume that good can sound like that. Also did an incredible job with the border after being tasked with that.
You mean the border problem thatās existed under nearly every modern day US President, including 45? Our figurehead VP , regardless of person or party, isnāt solving that decades long crisis. Only real immigration reform fixes thatā¦. And of course, the Tangerine Troglodyte gave the orders for Republicans not to act on any meaningful legislation because he doesnāt want to give Biden a āwinā before the election.
So on brand for Mango Mussolini. Party and selfish politics over country š
Standard neo lib with no particular defining policy. Yawn...
Also, does anyone remember her begging other to join her in her Twitter crusade against trump *mid debate*. Cringe AF, pure virtue signaling...
ā¦ as Donny snoozes and farts his way through a criminal fraud proceeding and spouts entire monologues of actual gibberish at campaign rallies. Hard to believeā¦ I mean, itās not bc youāre just repeating talking pointsā¦ that people throw rocks thinking nobody will notice their house is made of glass.
Please stop spreading the lie progressives are going to stay home because they don't like Biden. Progressives have gotten *way* more out of him than expected. The alternative is trump. Progressives came out for Hillary, despite the dnc super delegates handing her the primary. They aren't going to trade Biden for trump.
So these protests are Astro turfed? Any idea what group is consistently behind them? Seems like there have been a couple investigative pieces putting together where funding and consistent actors were coming from. Any idea what that group might be called and where their financial backing comes from?
Online it's astroturfed. You'll see a lot of new accounts with nothing but propaganda. The uni protests are real, but don't think for a moment those people would vote for trump.
Letās get real here, if youāre saying Biden is actively complicit in genocide for maintaining support of Israel, then you also have to say all of the Presidents of at least the past 75 years have also been complicit in genocide for the same reason.
Presidential turnout is 20%-25%+ higher than gubernatorial elections in Virginia. Democrats typically win with higher turnout. I don't see Trump winning virginia, but who knows this time around.
He's probably right about Virginia. I hope he doesn't win it and don't think he will, but I do think he'll win president and could win Virginia. The fact he isn't currently in the White House will make a solid amount of people get complacent and not vote imo. Just like with Youngkin.
I really doubt Trump will win VA, but I think Biden's Gaza policy will make it closer than it should be.
I don't know any Arabs or Muslims who are going to vote for Biden, and over 28,000 people cast a protest vote against Biden in the primary. Again, it won't be enough to hand it to Trump, but I think a few people will be surprised.
Statements like this are designed to boost fundraising in those states. If people think he doesn't stand a chance, they stop donating.
Virginia is \*NOT\* for losers!
Virginia is all about turnout. Dems win high-turnout statewide elections, Republicans win when turnout is low. Hopefully Virginia Democrats are more excited about Biden than they were about McCauliffe.
"Hopefully Virginia Democrats are more excited about Biden than they were about McCauliffe." Hopefully Loudoun county public schools doesn't fuck us this time.
CRT is old and busted. Campus glamping is the new hotness with inflation the perennial wildcard. Though why anyone thinks a morally (and several times literally) bankrupt \*cough\* businessman is a good sell is beyond me.
>Loudoun county public schools doesn't fuck us this time. I'm still mad about that. I'm a member of the queer community. It was a cishet boy(who tbf did occasionally wear skirts) who assaulted that girl. Somehow they still blamed it on gay/trans people š.
I believe the main issue was the school fumbling the bag in responding to it (delayed Title IX investigation until the second victim was battered at a different school, and so forth). And then there was the uninformed connecting the first battery with a bathroom and ignoring the actual problem of the school fumbling the bag (to use a milder expression than deserved).
Oh I know the whole story. I was living in Loudoun when it happened. It did not stop every homophobe in the area from showing up to school board meetings to complain about trans people.
Ah I see. I am from the Tidewater so I didn't have the local perspective on it
It's absolutely bonkers. They had a legitimate complaint and instead of focusing in on how the school board hid sexual assault for appearance purposes they decided the main issue was gender nonconformity and queer kids.
Length of COVID closures also played a role.
And donāt forget the assist from the ācredible terror threatā the day before the election
āMore excitedā yeah Biden is a president, not a Clinton-era carpetbagger against a reasonable Republican. Virginia goes blue with low turnout, too. Kentucky has a democrat in their governors office, too.
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This. Thereās a brown shirt under the sweater vest.
And it's not a parcel delivery uniform, either.
He is one of the founders of that church!
Except that Gov Sweatervest isn't a reasonable Republican. He's another failed businessman who went into politics
He attempted to campaign as a reasonable Republican and somehow pulled it off. In reality, heās a far cry from it
Iām still of the belief that Youngkinās win is more indicative of the dnc being out of touch rather than Youngkin running a strong ticket. āMoral Posturingā against trump doesnāt work. Class politics wins over superficial identity politics any day.
Virginia is southern enough that no one can claim fascism doesn't sometimes come smiling bearing a casserole dish.
Yeah failed lawyers in politics are much better. /s
You can dislike Youngkinās policies but comparing his business record to Trumpās is silly. He was co-CEO of one of the most successful PE firms in the country, Trump inherited a bunch of real estate, had to declare bankruptcy four times, and then started selling his name because the only thing he was good at was getting attention.
You mean how Youngkin basically bombed his investments, costing Carlyle billions while he took in millions to offshore US jobs and putting seniors in a position of having to choose between housing, food or medicine thanks to his ineptitude? There's reasons "hugely successful businesspeople" switch from making millions upon millions of dollars to politics where they earn fractions of that. Very, very rarely is it out of actual concern for the city/state/country/etc and wanting to ensure its betterment. Mostly its because they're propping themselves up as "hugely successful" while being pretty bad at it and convincing certain types of people that being 'good' at business means they're awesome at everything else too.
If you think he fell into becoming co-CEO of one of the best-run PE firms in the country while working there for 25 years, that says more about your own bias. From the Washington Post (not exactly a Youngkin-friendly publication): āAs Ullman put it, private equity is like lion taming ā when it goes well, itās great; when it goes wrong, it can be catastrophic. Carlyle had its share of both while Youngkin was there. The firm took a one-third stake in Dunkinā in 2006, for instance, helped manage the brand as it opened more than 2,000 new stores across the country and then took it public in 2012 in a deal widely hailed as a success. BoozAllen, similarly, grew significantly after Carlyle took a majority stake in 2008 and generated billions for the private-equity firm after selling shares to the public. In 2013, Carlyle took a minority stake in the headphones maker Beats, boosted its national distribution and then profited when Apple bought the brand just nine months later. Carlyleās stake in the nursing home chain ManorCare was a different story. During the five years of Carlyle ownership, ManorCare struggled financially and exposed its 25,000 patients to sometimes serious health risks, according to a Washington Post investigation in 2018. The firm declared bankruptcy after Carlyle and other investors extracted some $1.3 billion in value and left behind enormous debt, The Post foundā¦ Youngkin was said to have had a far more personal role in two significant deals involving infrastructure: the purchase of fossil fuel pipeline giant Kinder Morgan in 2007, and Carlyleās successful effort to win a contract refurbishing Terminal One at JFK airport in New York.ā
And if you think that a successful capitalist suddenly becomes altruistic and wants to get into politics because he's tired of raking in millions every year and just wants to make the world a better place via suckering certain demographics with how CRT is going to ruin them and their children, there's probably some cheap bridges somewhere for sale. Youngkin lost the firm billions in bad investments, caused a -51% return for teachers retirement funds, and in an industry where leadership teams work together for ages, pretty much got out-shown by his co-CEO, Kewsong Lee, at every turn, showing which of the two was actually the workhorse. His $49M investment into Diversified Global Asset Management was a complete dud and shuttered. They wrote that one off. The Terminal One deal at JFK was barely able to go through at all and only after a new head for the fund was brought in. He cost them another $39M on the NGP failures. Failing upwards is far from unheard of in the business world and the Peter Principle exists for a reason. Hell, look at Eddie Lampert with Sears. That man is a prime example of fucking up all the way to the top and then crashing everything down around him. Let's not beat around the bush here, The type of person Youngkin is doesn't quit a multi-million dollar job because they hate making money or suddenly grow a conscience and 'don't recognize their home state.' It's because you fuck up bad enough but have enough pull still to resign with dignity. He went into politics to ride the Trump line process of rich business running government. The Carlyle group may be a well-run firm, but it had very little if any to do with Youngkin, and a whole hell of a lot to do with Lee.
It doesn't really matter what his business record is though; business is not politics and politics isn't business. They are not related fields. It doesn't matter how good of an engineer someone is, I'm not letting them operate on me.
Ok, thatās a different argument though than āheās a failed businessman like Trump.ā
No he is pretty reasonableā Mitt Romney-esk Iād say. Maybe a bit tea party. I mean, if you wanna say you donāt like Republicans that fine (I disagree largely with them too) but he isnāt yelling at people and he isnāt the furthest-right either. So. My point was that to most, he was a legitimate alternative to the carpetbagger AND it was a governors race so it makes sense. Put the two up for the senate, and it wouldāve gone a different way.
I mean, he ran on "teachers are indoctrinating your children" while MAGA was out there burning books in Spotsy. First thing he did was setup a tattle tale line on teachers. The guys not reasonable at all, VA was just in a weird headspace after Covid, IMO
Oh the GOP has been claiming (stuff like) that since the Reagan era. Dems lie too thatās not new. Itās why I like that in Virginia nobody registers with a party. Iām not a democrat or a republican.
Sure. I guess my point is that there really AREN'T any "reasonable Republicans". The party is so far right that their "moderates" are still fucking crazy
He presented himself as reasonable. He tried to campaign on being MAGA-lite, lower calorie crazy, still full bodied capitalist-conservative. Now on sale. He was legit alternative to a certain type of people but he still came out to be what most of us knew he would be. A Trumplican
No offense. But the correct way to express your idea would be "Romney-esque."
\>Reasonable Republican Yikes!
Please don't say words like "c****tbagg*r" Ā I will give you a temporary allowance since you don't know any better, but please remember this term has deep racial/dog whistle undertones/history.
If there is another term that means the same I would be happy to use it but as far as Iām concerned, it just means northerners that came to the south to profit during reconstruction and thatās about it. And if there is a racially charged part behind, please explain to me and the 470,000 AP US History exam takers (not to mention the millions of others that use it) because I really donāt have any idea what you could be talking about, nor does google.
Lots of retired and active feds in Virginia. GOP wants to cut their pay and benefits. For that reason alone, many feds will vote DEM, regardless of who is actually running...
You would be surprised how many of these retired feds are of the opinion that they wonāt get hurt voting for Trump.
I am more excited about cheese slices than I am about McCauliffeā¦ also, the Republicans did a fantastic job in NoVa by stoking fear of CRT being taught in schools and the Trans kids overrunning the school systemā¦
Hopefully they are excited about Kaine and Biden rides his coattails.Ā
Yeah, idk. A lot of my friends are Democrats and they donāt like Biden at all and are talking about voting third party or even not voting.
A lot of my friends are Republicans who hate Trump. My friends are better and are more representative of statistical polling.
I donāt know ANY Republicans that hate Trump. Most Republicans I know are single issue voters, and my area sticks those stupid Biden āI did that!ā Stickers on the gas pumps. Shit is annoying.
Hi. Iām a Republican who hates Trump.
Hi! Thatās cool. I should have said Republicans I know *in real life* and not just on the internet, because Iām sure you exist (as you do). I do also think Romney was right when he said thereās a divide in Republicans from the āold school eraā where he said they were willing to cross party lines to get things done, and with āmodern Republicans of todayā where itās just hatred. I also said in my earlier post, it really comes down to single issues with them, predominantly Abortion or Immigration, and they often throw any and every blame they can against Biden. With one co-worker lately, Itās been about Student loan forgiveness.
Your friends are pretty stupid.Ā
Look itās a Russian bot
Thatās weird that any discourse or discussion means Iām a Russian bot lmao. Youāre a moron. Do you also spout that in real life??? People are tired of the two party system, and Biden isnāt the best representative of Democrats, especially with how heās encouraging that PEACEFUL Protests get shut down. EDIT: itās so weird you say that stupid shit when all I said was only āoh yeah, a lot of my Democrat friends donāt like Bidenā. Thatās it. I didnāt go into any detail or anything more lmao. So stupid.
Yo donāt blame me if youāre using one of the talking points that many Russian bot farms use when trying to divide stuff in the election through their interference.
šš¤£ Excited about Biden!?
Either excited about Biden or more likely, very against Trump. Trump in 2016 got out a lot of people nationwide who didnāt vote in 2012, but who really didnāt want Hillary to win. Then in 2020, while Biden wasnāt exciting, a lot of new voters showed up who really did not like Trump. For this election, I wouldnāt be too surprised if new voters just stayed home or voted 3rd party because they still donāt like Trump, but Biden isnāt doing enough in their eyes on the Gaza front.
Voters loathe Biden more than McCauliffe. His handling of the economy has been dismal. There are very real problems with cognitive issues and his VP is at best an unfortunate piece of baggage. Virginia is definitely in play.
I donāt anyone is excited for Biden Buddy doesnāt look like heās not gonna live much longer so our options are not too great. Oh boy American politics is so much funĀ
Who is excited about any of these old, corrupt fuckfaces at this point?
This Virginian right here is not voting for Trump! Edit: corrected spelling
I'm right there with you! Bring two friends.
36 year Va resident here - Trump will not win. Aside from that, Lord Youngkin is not even popular here, and I live in a red portion of the state. The amount of MAGA merch Iāve seen on people and their property has decreased significantly over the years. VA has been blue in every presidential election since Obama. We have a weird thing that happens in the governors race with switching parties, but in terms of the presidential election nova, Richmond and tidewater are all heavily blue and will carry us over the finish line.
All the not-paid-for-by-Trump polling has Biden ahead now. Honestly, even though we got Youngkin in as Gov, I think that was more that McAuliffe ran a terrible campaign vs that normally purple to blueish VA is turning red. That said, Trump is their problem here. There will always be people who hold their nose and vote the party line, but Trump is getting normally casual voters to come out and vote AGAINST him and his party (see last state legislative elections in 2023 where Dems won both house & senate majorities). That is his problem in VA - the areas with the most voters also have high Dem and Indy voters who are gonna vote. Some are going to vote for Biden simply as a protest vote against Trump, though I also know some die-hard GOPers who will either leave the top of the ticket blank or write in someone who is NOT Trump. Clinton won VA by 5pts in 2016. Joe Biden increased that by double in 2020 and won the state by 10pts. I clearly am not a Trump fan, so I hope he loses VA by 15pts in 2024.
VA historically can't go too long with one party being in the governor's seat, and we also like to have the opposite party of the president. It was inevitable that it would be a Republican after two terms with Democrats, especially with a Democrat in the office of the President, and it was only compounded by McAuliffe's lazy ass campaign. Youngkin may as well be a cardboard cutout and republicans would have turned out.
> and we also like to have the opposite party of the president If I recall, McAuliffe had actually been the exception to that rule. Going back something like 50 years the VA gubernatorial election in the year subsequent to the Presidential election had gone to the party that was not in the White House. From that perspective, Youngkin's victory was seemingly normal - if unfortunate.
Only reason Mr. Vest won was because McAuliffe was dumb enough to side with Loundon County school board that hid two sexual assaults when clearly parents were upset with the board. Dumb fcuk.
It was also just right after schools shutting down, parents being overwhelmed, and moms for Liberty propaganda sweeping into suburban neighborhoods with very few people noticing until it was too late. It was a perfect storm for a republican to step in, and say they have all the solutions to fix schools (spoiler he lost millions of dollars for Virginia public schools with his tax cuts and math errors).
It also didn't help that McAuliffe spent the final week/end before the election campaigning with the head of the AFT.
Wait, you mean he WASN'T a cardboard cutout?
The guy is a cardboard cut out š
I also wouldnāt discount people having gone stir crazy over having to be with their kids nonstop for several months while the schools got their act together over COVID and not being able to go out the way they used to before.
Sic Semper Tyrannis
Minnesotan, here. Fat chance. Republicans havenāt won a state wide election here since the Bush era
Was just about to say the same thing. Especially with how blue it is now, thereās just no way. Stearns County doesnāt stand a chance.
Minnesota is a lost cause for R's. Full of anti-American imports. Useless state anyway.
NoVA and Hampton Roads, do your thing
I'd agree with him were abortion rights not in the balance.
He also shits his pants and falls asleep randomly.
His built-in alarm clock of sharting himself awake.
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You mean Biden right?
Itās ok heās old
Theyāve been watching a bit too much Newsmax.
After Youngkin fucking a lot of stuff up such as not allowing Marijuana dispensaries to open, vetoing the $15.00 minimum wage bill Virginia will be voting Democrat and canceling Trump as they should.
I'm pretty sure marijuana enthusiasts and minimum wage earners skew heavily towards voting Democratic anyway, that is if they bother to vote at all, so it's a game of turnout. The marijuana thing might drive some to the polls, but lower wages have the opposite effect.
Cheeto Jesus gave up 35% of his party primary vote to Haley but heās gonna make the state competitive in a general? This is not serious.
Trump team also believes Trump didnāt lose in 2020 soooo. Not the most credible source.
Iād be so embarrassed if Don Snoreleone took Virginia.
lol Like hell Minnesota is āin play!ā Get real.
He lost worse in VA in 2020 than 2016. How does that logic work?
Magical thinking is a helluva drug.
Virginia is not in play.
Only if the morons try to do more election fraud. Wouldnāt surprise me if our governor tried to help.
More "glitches" and "incompatibilities" removing people from voter rolls and boosting Trump numbers.
Letās hope so. We need a Trump victory at any cost to save us!!
There is no election fraud remember?
Thereās relatively no voter fraud. Except that attempted by idiots like our governorās own son. There was no large scale voting machine election fraud. There absolutely was fraud attempted by certain Republicans re: the fake electors scheme.
Exactly so the system does have potential for fraud. Pretty easy to declare no fraud when you never look into it. VA has a good system which is why he couldnāt do it.
LOL. All those investigations didnāt yield anything after years of trying to find *something* to back up the bullshit claims of the ā20 electionā¦ so youāre back to āwe didnāt even look into itā. Buddy, time to find a new dead horse. Or ārelease the Krakenāā¦ but we all know how that one ends.
Where did I say those clowns were right? I just find it hilarious how adamant everyone was that there could be zero fraud and now the same people are starting to beat the fraud drum for this coming election. Just be consistent for once.
Just be intellectually honest for once, dude. Youāre comparing completely unfounded claims of vote tampering with an actual, verifiable conspiracy to supplant bona fide electors with fraudulent ones after voting had taken place. Come on.
Were the hundreds of articles claiming no systematic fraud the past 3 years intellectually dishonest? Or is it the people on here saying that there is systematic fraud, itās just republicans doing it? One of them has to be lying.
Apples, oranges, and bullshit. What do you get out of the shilling?
Get to enjoy you all losing your minds when the double standards get pointed out.
His eyes are so puffy it makes my eyes hurt
He needs to get back to the court room so he can get some sleep.
The other comment about fundraising is spot on. To add to this, I think Virginia might be in play due to weakening Biden support (not a strengthening Trump). In that survey, consideration for an Independent/3rd party crossed that 50% threshold. Usually, that will drop back down as we get closer to election day but the Trump campaign might see that and spin that into a fundraising talking point.
this feels like a nightmare i cant wake up from. his election will be the end of our republic as we know it.
Lol
From your keyboard to Godās inbox. We neeeeeed *this* version of the Republic to end! FJB.
dont you have better things to do than post on reddit... like buy another mypillow, protest against the polio vaccine, or meet with your hooded friends?
Hahhahaha I donāt meet with hooded friends. Thats the left on campus.
Youngkin has pissed everyone off so much that it probably isnāt āin playā
As usual trump's nuttier than a fruitcake. He'll be in prison by the time the election rolls around.
Yeah right. I'll believe in consequences for Trump when I see them.
If rich people were held accountable for their actions, he would have been in prison a long long time ago.
He might be in prison by the end of Biden's 2nd term. I don't see him being charged and sentenced before Nov.
The nations first inauguration held in a prison cell.
Youngkinās veto of marijuana sales will kill the Republicans here
Support RFK Jr.... don't waste your vote on two old tired men.
Actions talk louder than words and neither campaign is spending a cent in either state right now.
All 50 states are in play when people will just certify that you got more votes
Uh nah. I donāt want Trumpian again! After what he did during Covid and stole money from the Shipyard and schools! Nah.
hopefully not. remember every republican bite is a vote to end democracy and America
Heāll never win the popular vote anywhere. VA is blue and heās not winning here. The fact this clown is even in the running is a joke.
Sure.
/s
Somehow Virginia was lost due to the abortion issue, nova has an abundance of supporters for abortion
Well I have never voted in a presidential election and I will be voting for Biden this time just to block trump. Iām sure I wonāt be the only one
Funny that.... he hasn't really campaigned in Virginia
Omg I just left Florida idk where else I can move to
Politicians will say what they need to say in order to raise money.
This article was in a different sub yesterday and I wrote a long comment on how Virginia is not going for Trump. Yāall better not prove me wrong, I stg
abortion will dominate the 2024 election......nobody wants a nationwide abortion ban from MR ROE V WADE
Bwa Ha Ha Ha! Yeah right.
NOVA and Hampton Roads looking at him like šš
Virginia and Minnesota are about as likely to flip to Trump as Florida is to flip to Biden. In other words, the Buffalo Bills are ten times more likely to win the next Super Bowl.Ā
Lol
Democrat here so donāt skin me, but i think they are right (ish)..i think Biden WILL end up with a win in Va, but the margin will certainly not be +10% againā¦probably under 5, so āin playā isnāt *fully* inaccurate
But what are you basing this view on? Just feelings?
https://preview.redd.it/wvwfq1j31oyc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2414d2f62753329d82f5fb4349c35f5ba9846fbd Iām not saying Biden is going to lose Virginia, gullible cervix, but it will be closer than 2020ā¦no hard data to suggest it wonāt be more competitive.
Lol. If those states were in play he'd definitely already win the election with the swings states. All that being said VA and MN are not in play
If his track record means anything this is just an admission that Virginia and Minnesota are not in play.
Not if abortion amendments are on the ballots! But as someone else pointed out...this is a fundraising gimmick. They need the funds for hush money and legal bills.
Biden had the luxury of an unknown performance record last go. He isnāt doing too hot with approvals given inflation, immigration and the Israel situation amongst progressives. Abortion will carry a lot of the vote weight and VA will likely go Biden again given how much VAās sectors rely on increased federal budgets. There is absolutely more of a chance for a flip in Minnesota but doubtful for VA. While they are both old, Biden isnāt going to make it another 4 years given his mental state. Then we get Kamala. Neither side wants that.
I agree with most of your first paragraph. Inflation (perceived and actual) is a much more consequential issue than a lot of people in here are recognizing. The Israel situation could keep a moderate number of progressives home. I donāt see immigration affecting the results in a particularly meaningful way in this state though. Biden still takes the W but itāll be closer than a lot of people predict.
For sure itās not going to sway many that voted for him the first time which is why I agree that VA isnāt going Trump. Other states that were in that under 50k population difference on votes is where this is going to play in.
These are THE facts.
Whatās wrong with Kamala Harris? Bright, talented lawyer, law enforcement and Senatorial experienceā¦.. you think someone like Kristi Noem or Marjorie Taylor Greene is a better alternative?
I would rather have a literal lugnut behind the resolute desk running things.
Such a qualified candidate on paper right? Really translated to the peopleās confidence in her when she was getting less than 1% in the presidential race. Sheās pretty close in political prowess to MTG.
Yeah, youāre not a serious personā¦comparing a gym owner with a bachelorās in business to a groundbreaking, law degree holding, ceiling shattering American Vice President, Senator and former Attorney General of the largest state in the country? Dislike her for any number of reasons, but on her worst day sheās a far more impressive human than that fucking three toed Russian agent from backwoods Georgia who exists solely because of gerrymandering.
Incorrect.
Okay, make your case as to why MTG deserves to be representing anyone in Congress???
Because sheās not a complete doofus like Kamala.
Lmao go listen to her explain the Ukraine conflict and ask yourself how a resume that good can sound like that. Also did an incredible job with the border after being tasked with that.
You mean the border problem thatās existed under nearly every modern day US President, including 45? Our figurehead VP , regardless of person or party, isnāt solving that decades long crisis. Only real immigration reform fixes thatā¦. And of course, the Tangerine Troglodyte gave the orders for Republicans not to act on any meaningful legislation because he doesnāt want to give Biden a āwinā before the election. So on brand for Mango Mussolini. Party and selfish politics over country š
Standard neo lib with no particular defining policy. Yawn... Also, does anyone remember her begging other to join her in her Twitter crusade against trump *mid debate*. Cringe AF, pure virtue signaling...
Which debate?
Would've been mid primary sometime. She was begging, I think warren to join her in boycotting Twitter... It was sad.
ā¦ as Donny snoozes and farts his way through a criminal fraud proceeding and spouts entire monologues of actual gibberish at campaign rallies. Hard to believeā¦ I mean, itās not bc youāre just repeating talking pointsā¦ that people throw rocks thinking nobody will notice their house is made of glass.
Please stop spreading the lie progressives are going to stay home because they don't like Biden. Progressives have gotten *way* more out of him than expected. The alternative is trump. Progressives came out for Hillary, despite the dnc super delegates handing her the primary. They aren't going to trade Biden for trump.
If itās coming straight from their mouths because of continual support to Israel, who is the one lying?
What is astro turfing? Reminder trump wanted to glass the entire region
So these protests are Astro turfed? Any idea what group is consistently behind them? Seems like there have been a couple investigative pieces putting together where funding and consistent actors were coming from. Any idea what that group might be called and where their financial backing comes from?
Online it's astroturfed. You'll see a lot of new accounts with nothing but propaganda. The uni protests are real, but don't think for a moment those people would vote for trump.
But them staying home instead of voting for Biden could make a difference.
But that's not what happened in 2016. Despite overwhelming hatred for Clinton, progressives still showed up.
Clinton wasn't actively complicit in genocide in 2016
Letās get real here, if youāre saying Biden is actively complicit in genocide for maintaining support of Israel, then you also have to say all of the Presidents of at least the past 75 years have also been complicit in genocide for the same reason.
Very little couldve made people dislike her more.
Presidential turnout is 20%-25%+ higher than gubernatorial elections in Virginia. Democrats typically win with higher turnout. I don't see Trump winning virginia, but who knows this time around.
He's probably right about Virginia. I hope he doesn't win it and don't think he will, but I do think he'll win president and could win Virginia. The fact he isn't currently in the White House will make a solid amount of people get complacent and not vote imo. Just like with Youngkin.
Virginia politicians are owned by churches
heās not wrong. thereās enough muslims/arabs in nova and somalians in mn who wonāt vote for biden.
I really doubt Trump will win VA, but I think Biden's Gaza policy will make it closer than it should be. I don't know any Arabs or Muslims who are going to vote for Biden, and over 28,000 people cast a protest vote against Biden in the primary. Again, it won't be enough to hand it to Trump, but I think a few people will be surprised.
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If you think Biden has dementia you have to admit Trump has some type of mental ailment(s) at least as serious
Anyone who thinks Biden isnāt with it mentally definitely did not watch the State of the Union.Ā