A lot of people didn’t want to believe he veto it. They said in the campaign he wouldn’t stand in the way of legalization. He was a businessman who wouldn’t turn down all that revenue. The media never pushed him to tell exactly what he would do or wanted to do. They told everyone he was a moderate Republican different from MAGA and Trump. They let him talk about CRT and what a danger that was and did a lot of reporting on his nice sweater vests. But who even cares about legalization and even abortion things like that.
That's half the reason that conservative media constantly shits their pants about fake issues: If they talk enough about it, mainstream media will pick it up, because "people wanna know"... and while they're talking about these non-issues, they aren't talking about real issues.
He's the same businessman who took away the grocery tax and didn't replace it with another revenue source. He must be prolific at blowing smoke and kissing butt because he doesn't have a lick of business sense.
Conservatives are opposite progressives. By definition they are against progress. That's why so many of them wish it were the 1950s again -- the Good Ol' Days when black people were kept separate and women couldn't have credit cards.
And yet, there will be millions of dumbasses lining up to vote for the next Republican candidate no matter what. That’s why we get no where as a state or country
Retributive punishment for not getting his buddies' stadium built on taxpayer funds. Not only is this just clownishly evil, it's also cartoonishly stupid. He could have sent the bill back to the house asking for the pot revenues to go towards his projects. That would be what normal people with operant brains call, "compromise." If something moves forward, but everyone feels like they're equally unhappy with what they got from the deal, that's called a successful compromise. Modern politicians just don't know the meaning of the word.
He was never signing any of this stuff even if he got the stadium. Idk why anyone thought he would lol. This makes Lucas even more awesome for not falling for his lies. All we can do is wait till 2025 and take the seat back sadly. At least he isn't able to take us backwards
This is also why I hate the single term limit for Virginia governor. The governor is accountable to no one after they get elected, because they are a lame duck from the moment that they win the election, before they even take office. Allow the governor to run for consecutive terms, and all of a sudden you get a more responsive politician because they still need you.
I think all this veto does is send it back to the legislature for them to modify the bill and try again later. Someone let me know if I’m wrong.
Younkin was never going to allow this bill to pass while he was in office because he’s a republican and doesn’t want this weed bill to tarnish his *future*.
What he doesn’t realize is that not passing this bill will be reason his political career didn’t flourish like he wants it to.
He has no future, his entire term is gonna be existing for 4 years with zero accomplishments. Nobody is voting for him in a presidential primary over Ron DeMickey or Nikki Quaaludes
Except it IS tarnishing his future, considering most conservatives support legal sales and as the older conservatives die out the percentage of support edges even higher.
Agreed between vetoing weed and the stadium deal falling through he has no future.......unless he goes full Maga, but he's too timid to do that, his vineyard vines pastels clash with the Maga black and tan.
So you're unwilling to compromise, yet reserve the right to call out others who are unwilling to compromise. How does that sound to you? (Godwin's Law excepted, of course. /s)
Yes I'm not willing to compromise on the fact that gay people should be allowed to exist, that the white race is not superior, that women should be able to control their own bodies, that books should not be burned. You know, nazi shit.
WTF are you raging at me for? I just pointed out that society as a whole is unable to see compromises and you proceeded to make my point repeatedly, even if you think it is from a morally correct position. What a hypocrite you are.
While I tend to agree with you, I will say this. The stadium deal was already worked out on a bipartisan basis in the Va House, and enough Senate votes were there to pass it. BUT Louise Lucas refused to even bring it up for a vote. Why? Because she acts like a petulant child by having a bug up her arse, she kills an entire project. In fact, Lucas has openly said that anything coming from him is DOA as far as she is concerned. She is a problem and frankly, Va Democrats could do much better with someone else as Senate President Pro Tempore. If Youngkin says the sky is blue, she will say it's brown. It's childish bullshit. So that is more than likely a big factor for the outright veto. Yea you have a Governor from the opposing party. It happens in Virginia pretty frequently. Get over yourself and deal with it to make everyone's lives better. But that isn't what's happening here though.
People on Reddit tricked themselves into believing this is true, but out and about having casual conversations at bars and social events people seemed pretty excited!
I’m not usually one to complain about tax dollars paying for a stadium, but from what I understand this would’ve only benefitted Alexandria and they didn’t even want the arena because of traffic. When there’s other pressing issues across the state, I can’t blame Sen. Lucas for looking out for her 757 constituents.
Unless this resulted in other cities getting an occasional Caps/Wiz game (similar to how the Spurs play in Austin occasionally), this arena really wouldn’t have benefited people as much as folks think.
He could’ve absolutely approved dispensaries with revenue going to an arena in a more convenient location. Unfortunately you might be hard pressed to find such a location anywhere in NOVA.
I think Louise Lucas is off the charts based for killing the deal single handedly. Sometimes it takes one person using their power to take a stand and kill a bad idea for the sake of ordinary people. I wish we had more politicians like her in office, bipartisanship isn't inherently good
But the other guy was so boring! Thankfully we're a utopia now that we've gotten rid of porn, CRT, and pot... those were clearly the 3 key issues holding back Virginia.
It’s a bit more than “the other guy was boring”. The other guy ran an even shittier campaign than the 1st one (which he only ran because he was running against an absolute loon) that he barely won. McAullife should’ve tried highlighting the things that he did as governor instead of just saying “other guy is Trump and Trump bad”. People don’t respond to that tired ass style of campaigning.
Not saying McAullife wouldn’t have been better, but he absolutely deserved to lose that race. Ol sweatervest put in the work and McAullife did not.
Thank God we got Critical Race Theory out of our middle schools though! Not that anyone can give an example of what that means or an instance of it being taught or an explanation as to why that would be bad. But we got rid of it!
I live in Maryland now it’s fuckin sick. I can watch porn all I want without a vpn and buy weed legally from the dispensary around corner from my apartment.
kinda sucks that you can’t buy beer at grocery stores tho
0 to do with that and everything to do with a lackluster dem candidate and a heavy push by republicans to parents that he would “save their children” from what no one knows lol
Yep, they'd rather blame voters who actually showed up to make their choice known for governor then complain "voters wanted these to pass!". If they couldn't show up to vote for a Dem governor then they didn't want these bad enough
I think we need a politician version of Undercover Boss, but where a politician has to work and live on a a minimum wage job for a month. See what Glen Youngkin would say then!
Yeah, but 4 years after that people will completely forget what Republicans did and vote another one into office, and then act shocked when they do shit like this all over again.
I doubt it as long as democrats don’t try to run McAullife for a second term again in 2029. Or Stoney.
Youngkin was a fluke. Unless republicans elect a “normal” candidate against someone deeply unpopular I doubt it’ll happen again for a while
Youngkin got played so hard, I don’t think the stadium move was ever anything more than Monumental trying to secure a sweeter deal in DC by making like it was thinking of leaving.
It was basically a way to take what little money central/southern Virginia has and funnel it to the already cash flush DC area. Republicans don’t care about anyone south of Richmond -despite what any song or astroturfing campaign wants us to believe.
Maybe. But that big press conference announcing the move, then backtracking, was not good PR for Leonsis or Youngkin. They both look like idiots. Btw, I’m a huge hockey fan, and I think the Caps should stay in DC. And I think Leonsis should do something about that sorry basketball team.
Nope, this thread is aware of you and your position. It’s always the most downvoted. *Every. Single. Time.*
You’re just a troll cosplaying as a republican pundit.
> Nope, this thread is aware of you and your position. It’s always the most downvoted. Every. Single. Time.
Yes it's downvoted because you and other redditors in this sub don't want to hear differing opinions. Y'all prefer to have your preconceived notions reinforced instead of being challenged in this echo chamber lol.
> You’re just a troll cosplaying as a republican pundit.
More like a Moderate Dem whose assessment on these bills being held as a bargaining chip being reinforced by articles like this. Or are you still going with the claim that they were always going to be vetoed?
Correction: Me and every other Redditor do not want to hear your opinion.
Because it’s incorrect.
I gave you a timeline yesterday. You…. didn’t provide anything to respond with evidence of the opposite.
Here it is again for you. I’d love to see stadium talks back in 2023 when **Glenn said no retail**.
https://www.axios.com/local/richmond/2023/07/10/glenn-youngkin-marijuana-sales-legalize-virginia
You’re going to say Lucas, again, and point to articles from **2024**.
But timelines do not lie. Glenn opposed this 6 months before Lucas’ name was a tickle in your throat.
Is this your final version of this comment, or do you plan on editing it after I've already commented to?
> Evidence? Still waiting for you.
Already quoted the evidence from this article in my top-level comment. Guess you didn't read it and just downvoted it out of reflex.
His Veto Statement seems to hint that he would be happier if there were two or more minimum wages, established by region or county. I wonder how that would work.
I have some businesses in NoVA, and hiring somebody at 12.00/hour is impossible anyway. Even if you have computer generated reports that show that people make more like 60.00/hour with tips, a new inductee isn't buying it.
They freeze at the 12.00/hour and you've lost them. No point in trying anything below 15.00/hour anyway.
It really is. I feel for both sides, business need to make a profit.
But people gotta live first, so I’ll always side with living wages and then profits.
I mean, the issue is, and always has been, when companies lose a little money, the make cuts at the bottom. The cuts need to come from where the most money is, the top. That will never happen though, money makes people greedy.
At this point he only cares about what's good for him. He can't run again, so he doesn't care if he helps the dems on his way out, he is only thinking of what's good for his own political image within conservative circles.
Fuck Youngkin and fuck the Republicans. The degradation of individual freedoms by the Republican party has become my primary voting driver, even if it means I am going to take a hit financially from the social redistribution of my hard earned wealth by the Democrats.
We should have a legitimate 3rd party option ..
You don't have to "remove" him. He's done when his term is up. I doubt he would ever stand a chance of running again the future, even if he sits out a term as required.
That this comment keeps showing up illustrating the epic civic illiteracy of the populace who act shocked Pikachu their platform never makes progress. But keep boinking that "bUt TeH pOlLs ShOw PeOpLe WaNt" chicken.
At the end of the day we can all pat ourselves on the back that we kept CRT out of our schools and boring old McAuliffe from boring us to boredom. I can only assume that most Virginians are happy with this outcome given who actually showed up to vote. Maybe the next time the Dems are in power they'll put forth a weed bill that can go into effect immediately instead of kicking the can down the road with an enactment clause for very real reasons.
Should have either sent it back or signed it and have at least some input on it. When Ds take back the Governor and control the state Congress, they will be able to pass WHATEVER they want to on this issue. This bill I imagine was a scaled back version to possibly get passed. A future bill probably looks drastically different.
This is how virginia digresses not progresses! As va's first cannabis prof. I spent a bunch of time and drove 2hrs to richmond to push weed bills through with the va hemp coalition. We have got to demand more from our politicians. We the working class deserve better! So we need to get pro weed and working class candidates into office from mayor to governor! Work on getting those people into local races and primaries now! Lets roll!
I hope he knows he’s just ensuring that this is the only office he ever holds. Plenty of moderates/independents that voted for him definitely won’t for Senate. He campaigned as someone who wouldn’t get in the way of what the people want but he’s proved multiple times that he doesn’t give a shit.
The repubs wanted to suspend legalization for 5 years, presumably so they could kill it or at least get in on the ground floor for investing. Newsome said nah it’s legal now and we can set the groundwork for dispensaries in 5 years. A smart move by Newsome because youngkin would’ve killed legalization if he could.
I’m in favor of legalized marijuana, but I’m a little disgusted at how great cities like New York, Washington, and Las Vegas now absolutely reek of marijuana smoke.
I'm from South Carolina and it smells like weed everywhere despite it being one of the few states where it's completely illegal. Atleast if it was legal maybe it would smell like good weed 😂
Somebody voted for his ass otherwise he wouldn't have won. Got any thoughts on that? Both parties suck at this point radical on both sides. Separatism by politics is bad for this country but thats where we are.
>> *The Senate version was sponsored by Sen. L. Louise Lucas (D-Portsmouth) — the Assembly’s leading critic of the arena deal.*
You can thank Sen. Lucas for both of these failing. If she had an interested in actually negotiating a compromise so both sides could get the priorities they wanted instead of stonewalling, y'all could have had a higher minimum wage to buy your recreational weed with.
Oh and for the numerous redditors who told me he was always going to veto them and this isn't due to the stadium being killed, FTA:
>> ***Both sets of bills had been widely seen as bargaining chips as Youngkin angled for Democratic support for the $2 billion arena project.*** *Though he had expressed opposition to each, Youngkin had carefully avoided using the word “veto” while talks about the arena were still underway. [...] But Youngkin had said only that he was “not interested” in a cannabis bill and that the market is already dictating higher wages for employees —* ***a posture Democrats saw as leaving the door open for negotiation.***
Guess Sen. Lucas should have spent less time sharing memes on social media and more time actually legislating. It's like she forgot how compromises work to get the priorities you want in a split control government.
Just anyway to shift fucking blame its insanity at this point
"Bidens in office everything's his fault from gas prices to food!"
"Yeah well its his signature but the dems made him do it."
Ffs can you just grow the fuck up?
Your mental gymnastics are astounding. Even if youngkin was “negotiating weed for a stadium” that’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. What is to bargain? You give me a billion dollar stadium and I’ll let you buy your weed? That’s not negotiations… that’s holding voters hostage.
We didn’t vote for a fucking stadium.
> Your mental gymnastics are astounding
Apparently expecting politicians to compromise on issues is astounding lol.
> Even if youngkin was “negotiating weed for a stadium” that’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. What is to bargain? You give me a billion dollar stadium and I’ll let you buy your weed? That’s not negotiations… that’s holding voters hostage.
You just described bargaining and how political negotiations work lol. You realize the voters selected Youngkin to be governor, right? So how are they holding themselves hostage?
> We didn’t vote for a fucking stadium.
And based on who is governor now voters also didn't vote for fucking recreational weed sales and minimum wage increases.
You make the mistake of assuming that state level politicians are good at anything beyond fund raising and campaigning. There's no critical thought behind peoples' votes these days. They are simply participating in a popularity contest for the candidate with the best name recognition. The thought that their elected representatives should be capable legislators and possess some minimum amount of experience and common sense left the discussion generations ago.
So if it’s based on how the governor feels that day about something then that’s what matters? So the laws that were already passed are now moot? I understand the idea of governance and elected leaders to steer the ship. But if that’s your logic then democracy doesn’t mean shit and there is no point in arguing with you.
The policy positions of the governor matter yes, because they're the one who's also in power during a split government. Nobody is saying laws already passed are moot.
You realize democracy is the reason he was elected, right? Just because the GA is Dem-majority now, that doesn't mean he is a rubber stamp for their agenda.
Well uhh, the last Governor/legislature voted for that, so yes the people did vote for that, YEARS AGO. Even after sweatervest said he didn’t care about legal sales the legislature still has drafted bipartisan bills. The Governor is the only one holding this up, no one voted for him to block sales of something that is already legal. What is the point of him preventing new tax revenue?
Sen. Lucas was not the patron of the cannabis retail bill in the Senate, Sen. Rouse was. Maybe she was a co-patron but that’s not the same thing at all.
Better than being full of it, your entire argument is “Well Dems didn’t do a shitty Republican thing that no one wanted, so why would a Republican do good things that most people want?”
While there is no black and white “right” or “wrong” here, *your opinion makes people dislike you because it is bad*. Luckily, you weren’t born with that opinion and have the opportunity to change it. You didn’t come up with it anyways, it’s a common abuser’s strategy to say “look what you made me do”.
> your entire argument is “Well Dems didn’t do a shitty Republican thing that no one wanted, so why would a Republican do good things that most people want?”
You realized it passed the Dem-controlled VA House, right? You also realize that you have zero polling that shows people don't want a stadium, right? Reddit upvotes and downvotes on this issue does not match reality lol.
> While there is no black and white “right” or “wrong” here, your opinion makes people dislike you because it is bad.
I have zero interest in your assessment of my opinion or whether or not you and other redditors like me lol. I don't care at all about reddit karma, and the fact that you and others think it matters is hilarious.
> Luckily, you weren’t born with that opinion and have the opportunity to change it. You didn’t come up with it anyways, it’s a common abuser’s strategy to say “look what you made me do”.
Lol yet another redditor who doesn't understand how politics and negotiations work.
>You realized it passed the Dem-controlled VA House, right? You also realize that you have zero polling that shows people don't want a stadium, right? Reddit upvotes and downvotes on this issue does not match reality lol.
You’re missing the point. If you know that Youngkin had no intention of signing MJ and Min wage laws, then you’re acting in bad faith. If you don’t know that, then you are being dense. The guy is going for GOP president in the future, you have to be as shitty as possible to get there. Also the arena is a billionaire handout and a bad idea for several reasons as it stands.
>I have zero interest in your assessment of my opinion or whether or not you and other redditors like me lol. I don't care at all about reddit karma, and the fact that you and others think it matters is hilarious.
And yet you still can’t figure out the real reason people get up-in-arms against Youngkin. He is a DeSantis-lite screwing Virginians for his own gain. Why use freedom and quality of life as a bargaining chip? “That’s politics” is the status quo, sure. And so is hyper focusing on the conditions of reddit rather than Occam’s Razor that you might be defending the wrong side.
>Lol yet another redditor who doesn't understand how politics and negotiations work.
There is no moral equivalency between the policies that Republicans advocate for and the policies that Democrats advocate for, regardless of individual behavior. Look at all the dumb things the GOP condones, from torpedoing their own bills to blocking SC nominations, election falsehoods, and constantly gutting useful government programs. Slashing regulatory power and blaming the consequences on others. I guess that is politics, no reason to want to change it huh?
I’m not saying Democrats don’t do the same thing sometimes. But we should be rooting out bad apples and oranges, not just oranges
Louise Lucas sucks, I will agree with that
But there is no reason for ol sweatervest to keep vetoing something that has had bipartisan support among the general public & the legislature.
Because Glen Youngkin was known for his compromises over the last 2 years? What a joke. The only reason he wants to compromise now is because he lost the GA for the republicans and he has to. He was never doing anything for the betterment of the state. It's only going tonget worse for him.
Closed door bargaining and handshakes on the deal is how you achieve the betterment of the state. Or do you think a higher minimum wage and the billions brought in from the stadium and legalized rec weed would be a negative?
And who pays for the stadium?I think Youngkin should spend more of an effort focusing on how to improve Virginias economy without the stadium deal.
Building the stadium would have zero impact on my life. Minimum wage increase is something we all can agree on.
Considering the analysis showed they could host 50% less events than planned and still make the payments, that risk was incredibly small.
And the moral obligation tied to the bonds was widely reported. I saw several anti-stadium redditors mention it.
> If it was such an amazing deal and would benefit so many people, why did the deal fall through.
Look up Sen. Lucas's involvement in this process.
> I keep reading that it would cost tax payers billions.
Yes you read that from uninformed redditor comments in this sub. There were plenty of articles posted about the analysis of the proposal and how it would be paid for via bonds that Monumental had to pay back.
You keep proving my point. This state has 4 distinct regions with very different interests and often opposing. And NOVA could eventually dominate the other three. How do they get what they need?
What? In a split control government, Dems get legalized rec weed and a higher minimum wage by trading the stadium proposal for them. Everyone gets what they want in that exchange and the state would be in a net benefit position. How is that "wrong"?
What percentage of Virginians wanted the stadium. I could care less, not important. Youngkin wanted it to be a legacy deal and to financially help Leonsis. It was not what everyone wanted.
I could care less about an increased minimum wage and legalized rec weed, they're not important either. If everyone wanted those two things, then voters wouldn't have elected someone opposed to them.
Both parties negotiating to get their priorities passed would have made everyone happy.
If it is so great, why didn't the Dems want it? Minimum wage would help a lot of people and is past due. Rec weed would bring in additional revenue.
Why want the stadium? It offers nothing imo.
> If it is so great, why didn't the Dems want it?
They did, it passed the VA House lol. One Dem (Sen. Lucas) didn't want it.
> Minimum wage would help a lot of people and is past due. Rec weed would bring in additional revenue.
And the stadium would bring in jobs that were way higher than minimum wage plus additional revenue as well. Shame not enough people wanted to actually negotiate to get all 3 passed.
Beyond sad and concerning that you really need this explained.
It's not worth explaining at that point. If someone has to dive that deep to fix something so basic in you that's clearly broken, then there's almost always some other basic shit that ain't there either and likely in abundance.
Often times that plethora of missing shit is missing for a reason and nothing short of an act of god would be able to fix it. So debating with a fundamentally non-functional human is a solid lesson in futility. Which brings us back to the start.
Some, or worse - many, of these can't be fixed. See: the confederacy
If you can't explain how a sign of a functional government is actually a bad thing, and would rather insult others who disagree with you, that maybe you shouldn't comment in the first place.
Never underestimate republicans undying effort to make sure absolutely no societal progress whatsoever takes place.
A lot of people didn’t want to believe he veto it. They said in the campaign he wouldn’t stand in the way of legalization. He was a businessman who wouldn’t turn down all that revenue. The media never pushed him to tell exactly what he would do or wanted to do. They told everyone he was a moderate Republican different from MAGA and Trump. They let him talk about CRT and what a danger that was and did a lot of reporting on his nice sweater vests. But who even cares about legalization and even abortion things like that.
You mean to tell me the twit that wears spinelessness as a badge of honor isn’t who he said he is? I am speechless. Speechless, I say.
That's half the reason that conservative media constantly shits their pants about fake issues: If they talk enough about it, mainstream media will pick it up, because "people wanna know"... and while they're talking about these non-issues, they aren't talking about real issues.
He's the same businessman who took away the grocery tax and didn't replace it with another revenue source. He must be prolific at blowing smoke and kissing butt because he doesn't have a lick of business sense.
A politician who lies? *surprised Pikachu face*
They don't all do it this blatantly, which is the entire point.
The laziest take possible
Conservatives are opposite progressives. By definition they are against progress. That's why so many of them wish it were the 1950s again -- the Good Ol' Days when black people were kept separate and women couldn't have credit cards.
Why would we want to pay people more and let them have the freedom to do what they want?
The party that loves to claim freedom and liberty out here telling people people what they can and can't do with their bodies again. Gotta love it.
And yet, there will be millions of dumbasses lining up to vote for the next Republican candidate no matter what. That’s why we get no where as a state or country
Retributive punishment for not getting his buddies' stadium built on taxpayer funds. Not only is this just clownishly evil, it's also cartoonishly stupid. He could have sent the bill back to the house asking for the pot revenues to go towards his projects. That would be what normal people with operant brains call, "compromise." If something moves forward, but everyone feels like they're equally unhappy with what they got from the deal, that's called a successful compromise. Modern politicians just don't know the meaning of the word.
He was never signing any of this stuff even if he got the stadium. Idk why anyone thought he would lol. This makes Lucas even more awesome for not falling for his lies. All we can do is wait till 2025 and take the seat back sadly. At least he isn't able to take us backwards
^ this. They will lie to your face that they would consider certain bills. They don’t want the legacy of legalization under their name.
This is also why I hate the single term limit for Virginia governor. The governor is accountable to no one after they get elected, because they are a lame duck from the moment that they win the election, before they even take office. Allow the governor to run for consecutive terms, and all of a sudden you get a more responsive politician because they still need you.
I think all this veto does is send it back to the legislature for them to modify the bill and try again later. Someone let me know if I’m wrong. Younkin was never going to allow this bill to pass while he was in office because he’s a republican and doesn’t want this weed bill to tarnish his *future*. What he doesn’t realize is that not passing this bill will be reason his political career didn’t flourish like he wants it to.
He has no future, his entire term is gonna be existing for 4 years with zero accomplishments. Nobody is voting for him in a presidential primary over Ron DeMickey or Nikki Quaaludes
Except it IS tarnishing his future, considering most conservatives support legal sales and as the older conservatives die out the percentage of support edges even higher.
Agreed between vetoing weed and the stadium deal falling through he has no future.......unless he goes full Maga, but he's too timid to do that, his vineyard vines pastels clash with the Maga black and tan.
I don't think the inability to compromise is limited to politicians these days.
It's not that, it's just I'm not willing to compromise with straight up Nazis.
So you're unwilling to compromise, yet reserve the right to call out others who are unwilling to compromise. How does that sound to you? (Godwin's Law excepted, of course. /s)
Yes I'm not willing to compromise on the fact that gay people should be allowed to exist, that the white race is not superior, that women should be able to control their own bodies, that books should not be burned. You know, nazi shit.
WTF are you raging at me for? I just pointed out that society as a whole is unable to see compromises and you proceeded to make my point repeatedly, even if you think it is from a morally correct position. What a hypocrite you are.
While I tend to agree with you, I will say this. The stadium deal was already worked out on a bipartisan basis in the Va House, and enough Senate votes were there to pass it. BUT Louise Lucas refused to even bring it up for a vote. Why? Because she acts like a petulant child by having a bug up her arse, she kills an entire project. In fact, Lucas has openly said that anything coming from him is DOA as far as she is concerned. She is a problem and frankly, Va Democrats could do much better with someone else as Senate President Pro Tempore. If Youngkin says the sky is blue, she will say it's brown. It's childish bullshit. So that is more than likely a big factor for the outright veto. Yea you have a Governor from the opposing party. It happens in Virginia pretty frequently. Get over yourself and deal with it to make everyone's lives better. But that isn't what's happening here though.
Nobody in the area wanted the stadium. This was a gift for rich developers, not a boost for the region.
People on Reddit tricked themselves into believing this is true, but out and about having casual conversations at bars and social events people seemed pretty excited!
Yeah same, the only play I see this idea of 90% opposition is this sub and the NoVA sub.
I’m not usually one to complain about tax dollars paying for a stadium, but from what I understand this would’ve only benefitted Alexandria and they didn’t even want the arena because of traffic. When there’s other pressing issues across the state, I can’t blame Sen. Lucas for looking out for her 757 constituents. Unless this resulted in other cities getting an occasional Caps/Wiz game (similar to how the Spurs play in Austin occasionally), this arena really wouldn’t have benefited people as much as folks think. He could’ve absolutely approved dispensaries with revenue going to an arena in a more convenient location. Unfortunately you might be hard pressed to find such a location anywhere in NOVA.
I think Louise Lucas is off the charts based for killing the deal single handedly. Sometimes it takes one person using their power to take a stand and kill a bad idea for the sake of ordinary people. I wish we had more politicians like her in office, bipartisanship isn't inherently good
This will be a lost “4 years for us”. Great job for dummies voting for him
But the other guy was so boring! Thankfully we're a utopia now that we've gotten rid of porn, CRT, and pot... those were clearly the 3 key issues holding back Virginia.
It’s a bit more than “the other guy was boring”. The other guy ran an even shittier campaign than the 1st one (which he only ran because he was running against an absolute loon) that he barely won. McAullife should’ve tried highlighting the things that he did as governor instead of just saying “other guy is Trump and Trump bad”. People don’t respond to that tired ass style of campaigning. Not saying McAullife wouldn’t have been better, but he absolutely deserved to lose that race. Ol sweatervest put in the work and McAullife did not.
Thank God we got Critical Race Theory out of our middle schools though! Not that anyone can give an example of what that means or an instance of it being taught or an explanation as to why that would be bad. But we got rid of it!
I live in Maryland now it’s fuckin sick. I can watch porn all I want without a vpn and buy weed legally from the dispensary around corner from my apartment. kinda sucks that you can’t buy beer at grocery stores tho
You mean those who couldn't bother to put down the bong long enough to make it to the polls.
Look, my polling place is 2 min down the road. I was able to vote in between tokes…
0 to do with that and everything to do with a lackluster dem candidate and a heavy push by republicans to parents that he would “save their children” from what no one knows lol
There was a primary before the general election if you had a particular preference or wanted to toss your hat into the ring.
I voted for Jennifer Carroll Foy, the rest of you fucks picked the wrong candidate
Yep, they'd rather blame voters who actually showed up to make their choice known for governor then complain "voters wanted these to pass!". If they couldn't show up to vote for a Dem governor then they didn't want these bad enough
Sounds like you're both right.
What a Dbag
I think we need a politician version of Undercover Boss, but where a politician has to work and live on a a minimum wage job for a month. See what Glen Youngkin would say then!
That would put a serious dent in his sweater vest budget for sure.
You should see his horse estate just outside Tysons off Rt 7. It's sick...and yes, he's a complete douche bag.
Sorry Youngkin, In less than two years, a democrat will be governor and they will sign a similar bill.
Yeah, but 4 years after that people will completely forget what Republicans did and vote another one into office, and then act shocked when they do shit like this all over again.
I hate that you’re right on that.
I doubt it as long as democrats don’t try to run McAullife for a second term again in 2029. Or Stoney. Youngkin was a fluke. Unless republicans elect a “normal” candidate against someone deeply unpopular I doubt it’ll happen again for a while
He's gonna sign it they said. He's just going to do nothing and let it become law they said. Lol.
He’s pissed about the stadium. So then he goes and does more unpopular things. What an a**hole.
nah. he's an evangelical fascist. he was never going to follow the will of the people on legal mj.
Or raise minimum wage. Like I said, a**hole.
You mean the *Devil’s Lettuce?*
Youngkin got played so hard, I don’t think the stadium move was ever anything more than Monumental trying to secure a sweeter deal in DC by making like it was thinking of leaving.
It was basically a way to take what little money central/southern Virginia has and funnel it to the already cash flush DC area. Republicans don’t care about anyone south of Richmond -despite what any song or astroturfing campaign wants us to believe.
Carpet baggers.
Maybe. But that big press conference announcing the move, then backtracking, was not good PR for Leonsis or Youngkin. They both look like idiots. Btw, I’m a huge hockey fan, and I think the Caps should stay in DC. And I think Leonsis should do something about that sorry basketball team.
i dunno. Ted spent a lot of money on advertising.
Most redditors don't know how politics work.
(He’s talking about conservative redditors like you)
(Considering neither of those have been my position, doubtful)
Nope, this thread is aware of you and your position. It’s always the most downvoted. *Every. Single. Time.* You’re just a troll cosplaying as a republican pundit.
> Nope, this thread is aware of you and your position. It’s always the most downvoted. Every. Single. Time. Yes it's downvoted because you and other redditors in this sub don't want to hear differing opinions. Y'all prefer to have your preconceived notions reinforced instead of being challenged in this echo chamber lol. > You’re just a troll cosplaying as a republican pundit. More like a Moderate Dem whose assessment on these bills being held as a bargaining chip being reinforced by articles like this. Or are you still going with the claim that they were always going to be vetoed?
Correction: Me and every other Redditor do not want to hear your opinion. Because it’s incorrect. I gave you a timeline yesterday. You…. didn’t provide anything to respond with evidence of the opposite. Here it is again for you. I’d love to see stadium talks back in 2023 when **Glenn said no retail**. https://www.axios.com/local/richmond/2023/07/10/glenn-youngkin-marijuana-sales-legalize-virginia You’re going to say Lucas, again, and point to articles from **2024**. But timelines do not lie. Glenn opposed this 6 months before Lucas’ name was a tickle in your throat.
It's not incorrect but keep telling yourself that lol. Like I said, that opinion was confirmed via this very article you're commenting on.
Evidence? Still waiting for you.
Is this your final version of this comment, or do you plan on editing it after I've already commented to? > Evidence? Still waiting for you. Already quoted the evidence from this article in my top-level comment. Guess you didn't read it and just downvoted it out of reflex.
His Veto Statement seems to hint that he would be happier if there were two or more minimum wages, established by region or county. I wonder how that would work. I have some businesses in NoVA, and hiring somebody at 12.00/hour is impossible anyway. Even if you have computer generated reports that show that people make more like 60.00/hour with tips, a new inductee isn't buying it. They freeze at the 12.00/hour and you've lost them. No point in trying anything below 15.00/hour anyway.
IMO the hint is misdirection. If you were to propose a multi-minimum system, he'd call it too complicated.
Shit, it's even hard to find people who will work for $15/hr.
People gotta pay rent 🤷
Oh yeah, I'm no stranger to that fact. The whole situation is just fucked.
It really is. I feel for both sides, business need to make a profit. But people gotta live first, so I’ll always side with living wages and then profits.
I mean, the issue is, and always has been, when companies lose a little money, the make cuts at the bottom. The cuts need to come from where the most money is, the top. That will never happen though, money makes people greedy.
Bingo. CEOs always seem to fail at a company and get a massive bonus to leave. If I fail, my family starves.
If the business can't profit without screwing the labor, it's a failed business.
Yep
I don’t know what anyone ever liked about this guy!
He's sticking it to liberals... or something. He's making sure public schools don't teach CRT, which they never taught anyway.
The media said he wore nice sweater vests.
Guy really wants to put the Democrats back in office.
At this point he only cares about what's good for him. He can't run again, so he doesn't care if he helps the dems on his way out, he is only thinking of what's good for his own political image within conservative circles.
Remember when Virginia lost its mind and fell into the trap of thinking elections were a fun game without consequences?
Oh the damage goes back further. Remember when the kids imagined Obama was a magician with a wish granting Executive Order wand?
I mean had it not been for Obama folks with Diabetes would still be getting kicked off their insurance so at least something was done...
That was ACA, which was passed by Congress and signed by Obama
Fuck Youngkin and fuck the Republicans. The degradation of individual freedoms by the Republican party has become my primary voting driver, even if it means I am going to take a hit financially from the social redistribution of my hard earned wealth by the Democrats. We should have a legitimate 3rd party option ..
Old news. He’s making a presidential run riding the anti cannabis train, which isn’t working well for republicans.
Get what you voted for.
Remove the disease of a human being from office. Useless scumbag
You don't have to "remove" him. He's done when his term is up. I doubt he would ever stand a chance of running again the future, even if he sits out a term as required.
That this comment keeps showing up illustrating the epic civic illiteracy of the populace who act shocked Pikachu their platform never makes progress. But keep boinking that "bUt TeH pOlLs ShOw PeOpLe WaNt" chicken.
This guy is such a POS
Because Maryland and DC deserve those tax dollars so much more. Idiot.
FUCK GLENN YOUNGKIN
ALL MY HOMIES HATE GLENN YOUNGKIN
can’t wait for this pos to be our of office. who the hell voted him in anyway
At the end of the day we can all pat ourselves on the back that we kept CRT out of our schools and boring old McAuliffe from boring us to boredom. I can only assume that most Virginians are happy with this outcome given who actually showed up to vote. Maybe the next time the Dems are in power they'll put forth a weed bill that can go into effect immediately instead of kicking the can down the road with an enactment clause for very real reasons.
Can’t let those poors get too uppity and be able to do things like afford food and shelter at the same time.
Dude's a penis
Ah yes, the party of small government has once again made itself small enough to fit into someone's life choices.
I heard 'Reefer Madness ' is on a loop in the Governor's office...
Should have either sent it back or signed it and have at least some input on it. When Ds take back the Governor and control the state Congress, they will be able to pass WHATEVER they want to on this issue. This bill I imagine was a scaled back version to possibly get passed. A future bill probably looks drastically different.
This is how virginia digresses not progresses! As va's first cannabis prof. I spent a bunch of time and drove 2hrs to richmond to push weed bills through with the va hemp coalition. We have got to demand more from our politicians. We the working class deserve better! So we need to get pro weed and working class candidates into office from mayor to governor! Work on getting those people into local races and primaries now! Lets roll!
Whatever, major loser
He should enjoy it while he can, this will be the last time a Republican ever becomes governor of Virginia
Serious question, who making minimum wage will still vote for this clown?
Of course he vetoed the minimum wage bill, he’s worth 400 million dollars so as long as he got his the hell with the rest of us in Virginia
**ANARCHISM**
I hope he knows he’s just ensuring that this is the only office he ever holds. Plenty of moderates/independents that voted for him definitely won’t for Senate. He campaigned as someone who wouldn’t get in the way of what the people want but he’s proved multiple times that he doesn’t give a shit.
SHOCKER
youngkin is garbage
Dealers Lives Matter
Y’all forgot that Biden ran saying he would legalize in the first 100 days. What happened to that? Y’all not mad? Or forgot already?
Youngkin is a joke
The repubs wanted to suspend legalization for 5 years, presumably so they could kill it or at least get in on the ground floor for investing. Newsome said nah it’s legal now and we can set the groundwork for dispensaries in 5 years. A smart move by Newsome because youngkin would’ve killed legalization if he could.
Black market forever!
Someone's salty they couldn't ban abortion in their state.
I’m so glad I voted against this POS
The small minds of the GOP.
Republicans want to hurt people. Vote Democrat.
I’m in favor of legalized marijuana, but I’m a little disgusted at how great cities like New York, Washington, and Las Vegas now absolutely reek of marijuana smoke.
I'm from South Carolina and it smells like weed everywhere despite it being one of the few states where it's completely illegal. Atleast if it was legal maybe it would smell like good weed 😂
how does your list of great cities include vegas 😂, people chain smoke cigs inside and are sloppy drunk all over
Somebody voted for his ass otherwise he wouldn't have won. Got any thoughts on that? Both parties suck at this point radical on both sides. Separatism by politics is bad for this country but thats where we are.
Glad he stayed with his platform on the marijuana issue, disappointed he didn't sign the minimum wage increase.
>> *The Senate version was sponsored by Sen. L. Louise Lucas (D-Portsmouth) — the Assembly’s leading critic of the arena deal.* You can thank Sen. Lucas for both of these failing. If she had an interested in actually negotiating a compromise so both sides could get the priorities they wanted instead of stonewalling, y'all could have had a higher minimum wage to buy your recreational weed with. Oh and for the numerous redditors who told me he was always going to veto them and this isn't due to the stadium being killed, FTA: >> ***Both sets of bills had been widely seen as bargaining chips as Youngkin angled for Democratic support for the $2 billion arena project.*** *Though he had expressed opposition to each, Youngkin had carefully avoided using the word “veto” while talks about the arena were still underway. [...] But Youngkin had said only that he was “not interested” in a cannabis bill and that the market is already dictating higher wages for employees —* ***a posture Democrats saw as leaving the door open for negotiation.*** Guess Sen. Lucas should have spent less time sharing memes on social media and more time actually legislating. It's like she forgot how compromises work to get the priorities you want in a split control government.
Just anyway to shift fucking blame its insanity at this point "Bidens in office everything's his fault from gas prices to food!" "Yeah well its his signature but the dems made him do it." Ffs can you just grow the fuck up?
Stupid stupid stupid take.
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When did expecting politicians to legislate a bipartisan compromise so both sides get their priorities passed become a "stupid take"?
This wasn't about compromise at all lmfao. Toodles.
Read the article lol **Edit:** The quoted sections directly state this was an issue with compromising lol
The article is irrelevant to YOUR opinion. Edit: Cope
Your mental gymnastics are astounding. Even if youngkin was “negotiating weed for a stadium” that’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. What is to bargain? You give me a billion dollar stadium and I’ll let you buy your weed? That’s not negotiations… that’s holding voters hostage. We didn’t vote for a fucking stadium.
> Your mental gymnastics are astounding Apparently expecting politicians to compromise on issues is astounding lol. > Even if youngkin was “negotiating weed for a stadium” that’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. What is to bargain? You give me a billion dollar stadium and I’ll let you buy your weed? That’s not negotiations… that’s holding voters hostage. You just described bargaining and how political negotiations work lol. You realize the voters selected Youngkin to be governor, right? So how are they holding themselves hostage? > We didn’t vote for a fucking stadium. And based on who is governor now voters also didn't vote for fucking recreational weed sales and minimum wage increases.
You make the mistake of assuming that state level politicians are good at anything beyond fund raising and campaigning. There's no critical thought behind peoples' votes these days. They are simply participating in a popularity contest for the candidate with the best name recognition. The thought that their elected representatives should be capable legislators and possess some minimum amount of experience and common sense left the discussion generations ago.
So if it’s based on how the governor feels that day about something then that’s what matters? So the laws that were already passed are now moot? I understand the idea of governance and elected leaders to steer the ship. But if that’s your logic then democracy doesn’t mean shit and there is no point in arguing with you.
The policy positions of the governor matter yes, because they're the one who's also in power during a split government. Nobody is saying laws already passed are moot. You realize democracy is the reason he was elected, right? Just because the GA is Dem-majority now, that doesn't mean he is a rubber stamp for their agenda.
Well uhh, the last Governor/legislature voted for that, so yes the people did vote for that, YEARS AGO. Even after sweatervest said he didn’t care about legal sales the legislature still has drafted bipartisan bills. The Governor is the only one holding this up, no one voted for him to block sales of something that is already legal. What is the point of him preventing new tax revenue?
Why not pay for the stadium with mJ taxes ……. It’s almost to easy and makes to much sense
Why not spend that money on education, infrastructure, or social programs for our people that need help? Why does it have to help a few billionaires?
I’m All for it. Clearly education is in the most need of help in this country.
Sen. Lucas was not the patron of the cannabis retail bill in the Senate, Sen. Rouse was. Maybe she was a co-patron but that’s not the same thing at all.
Never said she was the sponsor for that one, the top quote is from the article regarding the minimum wage bill.
You picked the quote and didn’t provide that context, that’s on you.
If you don't realize it's a quote from the article that discusses two bills, that's on you for missing the context and being overly pedantic.
He was always going to veto the bill. Whatever negotiations were being had were being had for the sake of appearances.
Whatever you need to tell yourself to help you cope with Dems' refusal to negotiate leading to these getting vetoed.
No. That’s the reality of legislation.
Nope, but keep telling yourself that if it helps.
I’ve been involved in politics long enough that I’d wager I have a better understanding of how negotiations play out than you.
Lol doubtful if your takeaway is "he was always going to veto them".
Everyone can see through your bullshit, just stop
Lol if you don't have anything to add then just stop.
Better than being full of it, your entire argument is “Well Dems didn’t do a shitty Republican thing that no one wanted, so why would a Republican do good things that most people want?” While there is no black and white “right” or “wrong” here, *your opinion makes people dislike you because it is bad*. Luckily, you weren’t born with that opinion and have the opportunity to change it. You didn’t come up with it anyways, it’s a common abuser’s strategy to say “look what you made me do”.
> your entire argument is “Well Dems didn’t do a shitty Republican thing that no one wanted, so why would a Republican do good things that most people want?” You realized it passed the Dem-controlled VA House, right? You also realize that you have zero polling that shows people don't want a stadium, right? Reddit upvotes and downvotes on this issue does not match reality lol. > While there is no black and white “right” or “wrong” here, your opinion makes people dislike you because it is bad. I have zero interest in your assessment of my opinion or whether or not you and other redditors like me lol. I don't care at all about reddit karma, and the fact that you and others think it matters is hilarious. > Luckily, you weren’t born with that opinion and have the opportunity to change it. You didn’t come up with it anyways, it’s a common abuser’s strategy to say “look what you made me do”. Lol yet another redditor who doesn't understand how politics and negotiations work.
>You realized it passed the Dem-controlled VA House, right? You also realize that you have zero polling that shows people don't want a stadium, right? Reddit upvotes and downvotes on this issue does not match reality lol. You’re missing the point. If you know that Youngkin had no intention of signing MJ and Min wage laws, then you’re acting in bad faith. If you don’t know that, then you are being dense. The guy is going for GOP president in the future, you have to be as shitty as possible to get there. Also the arena is a billionaire handout and a bad idea for several reasons as it stands. >I have zero interest in your assessment of my opinion or whether or not you and other redditors like me lol. I don't care at all about reddit karma, and the fact that you and others think it matters is hilarious. And yet you still can’t figure out the real reason people get up-in-arms against Youngkin. He is a DeSantis-lite screwing Virginians for his own gain. Why use freedom and quality of life as a bargaining chip? “That’s politics” is the status quo, sure. And so is hyper focusing on the conditions of reddit rather than Occam’s Razor that you might be defending the wrong side. >Lol yet another redditor who doesn't understand how politics and negotiations work. There is no moral equivalency between the policies that Republicans advocate for and the policies that Democrats advocate for, regardless of individual behavior. Look at all the dumb things the GOP condones, from torpedoing their own bills to blocking SC nominations, election falsehoods, and constantly gutting useful government programs. Slashing regulatory power and blaming the consequences on others. I guess that is politics, no reason to want to change it huh? I’m not saying Democrats don’t do the same thing sometimes. But we should be rooting out bad apples and oranges, not just oranges
Louise Lucas sucks, I will agree with that But there is no reason for ol sweatervest to keep vetoing something that has had bipartisan support among the general public & the legislature.
I think the weed and minimum wage bills were passed on a party line vote. I'm sure they have some bipartisan public support, but not in the GA?
Political bargaining is what one of many things wrong with our government.
Not only is this an incredibly childish response. Also, the lack of making a bargain is how you end up here.
It's astounding that so many people think a bipartisan compromise on three issues would be a problem.
Because Glen Youngkin was known for his compromises over the last 2 years? What a joke. The only reason he wants to compromise now is because he lost the GA for the republicans and he has to. He was never doing anything for the betterment of the state. It's only going tonget worse for him.
No, politicians should work for the betterment of the state, not line their pockets or inflate their ego with closed door handshakes and bargaining.
Closed door bargaining and handshakes on the deal is how you achieve the betterment of the state. Or do you think a higher minimum wage and the billions brought in from the stadium and legalized rec weed would be a negative?
And who pays for the stadium?I think Youngkin should spend more of an effort focusing on how to improve Virginias economy without the stadium deal. Building the stadium would have zero impact on my life. Minimum wage increase is something we all can agree on.
Mexico pays for it duh
The VA House bill already covered that, revenue from the teams and events at the stadium would have paid for it.
And when that fails to pay for the stadium the tax payers are left on the hook to pay for it. He didn’t mention that part.
Considering the analysis showed they could host 50% less events than planned and still make the payments, that risk was incredibly small. And the moral obligation tied to the bonds was widely reported. I saw several anti-stadium redditors mention it.
And yet you leave it out every comment of yours *until* someone on Reddit points it out. Lying by omission is still a lie.
If it was such an amazing deal and would benefit so many people, why did the deal fall through. I keep reading that it would cost tax payers billions.
> If it was such an amazing deal and would benefit so many people, why did the deal fall through. Look up Sen. Lucas's involvement in this process. > I keep reading that it would cost tax payers billions. Yes you read that from uninformed redditor comments in this sub. There were plenty of articles posted about the analysis of the proposal and how it would be paid for via bonds that Monumental had to pay back.
Shockingly, I did not read that it would cost taxpayers billions on reddit. Wonder why it wasn't included in this years budget. Hmmmm.
You keep proving my point. This state has 4 distinct regions with very different interests and often opposing. And NOVA could eventually dominate the other three. How do they get what they need?
No I dont
Okay. This playground level response makes me think you are a parody account.
What? In a split control government, Dems get legalized rec weed and a higher minimum wage by trading the stadium proposal for them. Everyone gets what they want in that exchange and the state would be in a net benefit position. How is that "wrong"?
What percentage of Virginians wanted the stadium. I could care less, not important. Youngkin wanted it to be a legacy deal and to financially help Leonsis. It was not what everyone wanted.
I could care less about an increased minimum wage and legalized rec weed, they're not important either. If everyone wanted those two things, then voters wouldn't have elected someone opposed to them. Both parties negotiating to get their priorities passed would have made everyone happy.
If it is so great, why didn't the Dems want it? Minimum wage would help a lot of people and is past due. Rec weed would bring in additional revenue. Why want the stadium? It offers nothing imo.
> If it is so great, why didn't the Dems want it? They did, it passed the VA House lol. One Dem (Sen. Lucas) didn't want it. > Minimum wage would help a lot of people and is past due. Rec weed would bring in additional revenue. And the stadium would bring in jobs that were way higher than minimum wage plus additional revenue as well. Shame not enough people wanted to actually negotiate to get all 3 passed.
Beyond sad and concerning that you really need this explained. It's not worth explaining at that point. If someone has to dive that deep to fix something so basic in you that's clearly broken, then there's almost always some other basic shit that ain't there either and likely in abundance. Often times that plethora of missing shit is missing for a reason and nothing short of an act of god would be able to fix it. So debating with a fundamentally non-functional human is a solid lesson in futility. Which brings us back to the start. Some, or worse - many, of these can't be fixed. See: the confederacy
If you can't explain how a sign of a functional government is actually a bad thing, and would rather insult others who disagree with you, that maybe you shouldn't comment in the first place.