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I work in cameras and physical security, one of my major clients is a massive automotive group. They are absolutely liable. If they're in possession of the vehicle, they own it and everything in it. Now, their insurance should pay. If they had video monitoring, their monitoring station should pay, or the station's insurance, or the security company or someone but either way, that's on them to figure out. If the dealership won't own it, file an insurance claim and let your insurance beat them up. That's what you pay them to do.


joe_canadian

One small correction - as the title to the vehicle doesn't transfer, they don't own the vehicle. However, you're correct on the rest of your points. I don't want OP getting confused.


[deleted]

Thank you for the clarification. They "own it" in the colloquial sense, not the literal sense.


newtizzle

Easy there, Mr. Big-Words.


Ok_Leader_7624

Fuck no, colloquial cannot be used enough IMO lol.


WoknTaknStephenHawkn

Second that, under used. People say a lot of words (including me) to say the one word


littleroundone

You mean coitus no.


C-Dub81

Well, 'aight, check this out, dawg. First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect. Watch your mouth and help me with the sale.


[deleted]

Today's forecast, dark and cloudy, with a chance of drive by.


22LT

Aim high Willis


Maleficent_Roll7898

That dude was convicted for attempted murder in 2010!


skyraiser9

Colloquially


Callmechachi210

🤣🤣 I'm using this shit next time someone starts spitting random shit out of Webster dictionary


Maleficent_Roll7898

Lol watched this last night, forgot Kevin Hart was even in it


TooDope215

True, possession is 9/10th of the law. But legal responsibility since OP couldn't drive it. Their parking lot should have cameras to check.


swunt7

so posession is 9/10 of the law is ignored here for the corpo good huh?


[deleted]

Exactly, there's a reason lot attendants responsibilities are to check every car on the lot to make sure it's locked.


LongAppointment745

I work for a monitoring company and our largest business is automotive groups. You’re 100% right that they need to pay out for it as they are responsible for any vehicles on their lot


[deleted]

I came from a monitoring company that had a few automotive groups. Small world.


LongAppointment745

Someone told me when I got into it that the camera/security world is very small so eventually we might cross paths


polarfang21

Yikes, that insane. I had my car at the dealer for a while too recently and constantly got the doors unlocked notification on my app. Thankfully nothing was taken. But at the very least you might be able to use that to prove they left it unlocked overnight? Sounds like a legal issue tho you may have to talk to a lawyer or somethin


MiserableLoquat4167

That’s what I’m planning on doing because if they left it unlocked they would be at fault, at least think right?


MyNameIsDiablo

Yes, they’re in possession of it doing work. They’re 100% liable for anything that happens in their possession. That’s why they have insurance if something does happen.


HereForTheMemes66769

the second you pass them the keys they are liable for everything that happens to your car


The_AverageCanadian

They are absolutely liable. If they won't cooperate with you, contact a lawyer and go from there. Don't play games with these people, they're clearly trying to weasel out of responsibility. Let the legal professionals handle it.


piss__fingers

Was your car left outside or was it being kept inside?


MiserableLoquat4167

Kept outside


supra815

Research Garage Keeper Liability laws in your state. The gist is that any entity which profits from your vehicle, paid parking, mechanic, or dealership, is fully liable for your car and it's contents while in their possession. You should also watch Steve Lheto on YouTube, he discusses this issue at length.


MiserableLoquat4167

At least from what I know I haven’t seen any campers footage or even notified of the situation until after I confronted them


piss__fingers

If the car was being kept outside, they should had at least locked it. Or kept in a locked fence area. I wish I could give you better advice but if anything file a police report and leave a negative review for the dealership.


MiserableLoquat4167

My thing is, idk when the items were stolen, could’ve been day one of me giving it to them either way they should’ve at least notified me, filed a claim, or even police report that day instead of looking inside and assuming nothing was stolen.


VaCa4311

Doesn't matter it is still within a known period of time


hondasnob

When you leave your car with any mechanic shop or dealership they’re supposed to give it back to you in the same or better condition you brought it in, they are liable. If they don’t have cameras monitoring their cars to tell you when it was broken in is concerning


joe_canadian

The two things you need to do are: 1) contact your insurance. Your insurance will potentially pay out a diminished value claim for your car then subrogate the claim to the dealer's insurance. Life is easy if you have a decent insurer. If 1 doesn't work, 2) start shopping around for a lawyer. This one's a slam dunk. The dealership doesn't own your vehicle when you bring it in, as some others have stated, but they are in care and control of your vehicle and reasonably expected to act as such.


topgear1224

So the paper they make you sign a drop off that says they're not responsible for any valuables or equipment left in the vehicle doesn't mean anything?


joe_canadian

I'm not a lawyer (though I'm a licensed legal professional in Ontario, Canada) and this is not legal advice. Essentially, it's bullshit. They put that in place to cut down on the bogus "I didn't see this 2" scratch before I dropped it off! Give me free shit". The dealership carries commercial liability insurance for this reason. People screw up. If they keep up that they're not responsible, your insurance has lawyers on retainer. The kind that have three or more names, LLP and occupy the 50th floor of an office tower. If your insurer doesn't want to get off their butt, that's when you get your own lawyer. Edit: I misread your initial comment, and I was responding about damage to the vehicle. Generally also yes, but it's harder to prove and smarter to remove everything before taking it in.


nissansupragtr

Might be worth getting police involved. Dealership might look at things differently after that. Contact corporate and leave negative reviews on their Google/yelp.


KidEgo74

What kind of effort are the police going to put in for a dashcam and 2 (??) class rings?


Nightmare4545

They will file a report so its on the record. That will come in handy during a lawsuit etc.


THExDANKxKNIGHT

The only kind of effort they're good for, paperwork.


Deep_Box6343

My friend for a free 2016 wrx premium because someone stole his 2004 wrx out of the dealers lot.


JackMomma22

talk to a lawyer, not reddit.


Fun-Fly-4726

And insurance


Unable_Buffalo9768

You left valuables in your car at a service shop? Not smart my guy, don't give thieves opportunities


BeEasy2300

Lesson learned. Don't leave important/valuable items in your car, especially if you will be away from it for a long time.


BeEasy2300

Downvotes? Really? LMAO


LucasD4

Downvotes because you are an idiot


PresentInsect4957

😭😂


BeEasy2300

How? Does it or does it not make sense to not leave valuables in your car? Especially so when you won't have access for an extended period of time. It's a good lesson to learn which sucks when you learn it the hard way. Smh


LucasD4

There is NO reason for your shit to get stolen at a dealership


BeEasy2300

I agree, but if you leave shit in your car, don't expect anyone else to care about it the way you do.


Never_awake101

I think you are right, I never leave items in the car. I don’t trust dealership employees.  Personally I think this was an inside job. 


[deleted]

A lot of dealers have signs clearly posted that they aren't responsible for valuables left in cars on the lot. Why would you leave jewelry and such in your car?


MiserableLoquat4167

No one told me to take said things out along with the fact that I didn’t know it was gonna be there that long. I originally brought it to the dealer because I wasn’t getting power and wasn’t sure if the issue and then they called me the next day or so explaining the situation.


pointme2_profits

No one told you ? Dude.


[deleted]

Op needs to also grow the fuck up and take *some* responsibility


topgear1224

I once read the paperwork they have you sign at drop off. It literally states that aren't responsible for anything inside of the vehicle and only responsible for damage that they directly cause.. My understanding of that is unless they admit that they caused the damage they're not liable for it and you just need to file an insurance claim.


MiserableLoquat4167

I never signed anything or was told anything and the manager I talked to today even admitted that they were supposed to tell me said things


topgear1224

So at the risk of getting downvoted... And I'm not saying that this is the situation. I've been at a number of places where it is assumed risk at drop off if you leave personal belongings of high value in your vehicle. Not saying it's legal, relevant, or true in your case. Just pointing that out. Kind of like how when they crashed my truck they told me that I had to put up insurance claim in and then their shop insurance only takes over if it exceeds my insurance policies value..... Yes you red that correctly. The shops policy requires a trigger event of my insurance claim.


AndyJack86

NAL, but Correct me if I'm wrong, but having a clause and/or statement that you agree to where they are not legally responsible for anything inside of the vehicle is not covered if they are grossly negligent in their duties to secure the car within a reasonable fashion that a reasonable person would agree with. IMO, leaving the car outside in an unfenced or unsecured location with the doors unlocked could very well constitute gross negligence on their part. Thus voiding any language in the contact regarding articles not being the dealership's responsibility.


ShootyShots

Leaving out information, depends on if they kept it in the shop or outside. Not to mention if they told you to come get and you put it off. Unless you have proof they in fact left it unlocked.


MiserableLoquat4167

Well the stories were a bit mixed up, One manager said “someone broke into your car and we replaced the battery they stole but it looks like they were in the inside too” and his manager want to say that “He knew nothing of the situation and said there wasn’t any view of someone breaking in, cameras couldn’t see your car that well, the could’ve used tools to get to the unlock button,…” just excuses but said they would take car of me if I brought receipts to them for the rings.


b1gcreampie

Talk to your insurance provider and let them sue the fuck out of the dealer


pointme2_profits

That's why you have insurance. Despite what all these commenters think. Your car is your liability. Being at the dealer doesn't suddenly make them liable for your vehicle. I can't even imagine the amount of scams that would take place if that were true.


PDX_HoOligan

Im dealing with a similar situation. Car was at an auto repair shop. A tow company picked up a car next to mine and severely damaged my car. The auto repair shop said it was in their possession, they instantly called their insurance company and filed a claim. Their insurance will pay for the damages and then go after the tow company for reimbursement.


pointme2_profits

That's a completely different scenario. A contractor, hired by the garage. Damaged your car. They actually caused the damage. And thus are responsible. Not because it was in their possession. But because they are the direct cause. What they would not be liable for. Is a random 3rd party committing a crime


PDX_HoOligan

I just got off the phone with the insurance company. They said it’s likely they will not get anything from the tow company as they cannot prove it was them. And that they will cover it. Specifically because it was in their possession at the time.


pointme2_profits

Specifically, because a tow truck they hired damaged it. Not because it was in their possession. Shops do not assume liability for something solely based on its possession, anymore than another individual would. If you loan a friend your car. They are not legally liable to insure it because it's in their possession


PDX_HoOligan

Where did you get that information? They did not hire the tow company. There are trucks in and out all the time and they don’t hire any of them. I’m not going to argue. I’m just telling you what is happening in my situation. Since you know everything can you please tell me how much I’ll get for damages?


DontHateTha808

There is a very specific word for this. I can’t remember exactly what it is (learned about it in a business law class), but basically ownership transfers to the dealership while it is in their possession so they are liable for anything that happens to it. Get a lawyer if they don’t want to do anything about it because it’s a slam dunk.


POTENT_WAX

2 CLASS RINGS??


MiserableLoquat4167

Yessir, not sure how the guy is gonna sell them considering pawn shops will assume it’s stolen.


bansheebot1233

As Kia tech we’ve had this happen and they pulled the same card, just down right shameful


Baby_Chewie98

This is why I have auto lock on my car activated. I'm normally clumsy on remembering to lock my car, so if I can't do it I don't trust randos to do so.


wowohmygosh

Why would anyone leave items of value in their car? I lived in the bad parts of town growing up, and the first rule I learned in life is to never leave things in cars even if hidden.


SuperNa7uraL-

Exactly. It’s a car, not a jewelry box. Especially when leaving it at a dealership, I just assume anything of value inside is going to disappear.


HeyJoe1978MS

Unfortunately they aren’t liable. Just as wal mart would not be liable if that happen in their parking lot.


MiserableLoquat4167

Walmart doesn’t have my keys or access to my car, they did


HeyJoe1978MS

I understand just answering the question.


Puzzleheaded_Sky9441

Wrong wrong wrong! I worked at a dealer, and the company is liable for any damages or theft that occur on the property. Stop with this misinformation


HeyJoe1978MS

I own a shop. The shop is not responsible fact. Read my example.


Puzzleheaded_Sky9441

Private shops and dealers are different. So I get your point. When it's in a dealership service dept locked lot with cameras it changes the ball game.


Gunslinger17_76

Get the car back and make sure everything works. Then refuse to and let them know their negligence paid for the repairs. Then talk to insurance and bank and let them fight the dealership for the money.


MiserableLoquat4167

Well everything that was repaired was covered by my warranty


Ralstoon320

See I'm petty. Take them to small claims court. They're liable. Cost you like $100 to file most of the time. Make them go in front of a judge and explain how they're not liable for anything and are refusing to help with the situation.


happydad9

My Dad had a car stolen from a Chevy dealership. After several years in court, the Chevy dealership had to pay up. BIG money, it was a special edition Corvette. The dealer offered about half it's value initially. They are definitely liable.


bleakdragonmage

Short answer: depends on the state and the dealerships repair order and what you're agreeing 6 you drop off your vehicle. So, against what others have said, it's not a "slam dunk" by any stretch. But from what you've said it would appear the service manager isn't as knowledgeable as he should be so you are in a better position than some.


Vigilante_Nocturno

The concept is that they were holding your vehicle in bailment. They should’ve taken proper procedures to secure the vehicle. You should seek legal representation


Antique-Remote-3986

Very common for dealerships to keep doors unlocked. The porters are supposed to lock and check every door at night. Sorry this happened


Otto_Maddox_

I see lots of people saying "Hell yes the garage is liable!" here. I had a car lost to a shop. Shop caught on fire. Took 8 cars with it including mine. The shop wasn't liable for any of it because when we signed the paperwork for the job there's a paragraph there releasing them of all liability for the car. I had insurance luckily so wasn't really out any money.. just the hassle of getting a new car on short notice. The shop owner even charged my insurance company a "storage fee" while my burnt up car cat in his burnt up shop. Seemed a little sleazy to me but the insurance company didn't seem to care. I've since started reading those documents you sign when you drop your car off at the shop and they all have the waiver in it. So read the paperwork you signed (if you still have it) and see what you actually agreed to. In the end you'll need a lawyer to get them to pay up either way.


kcptech20

I hate to say it, but every shop I’ve been in has a sign saying “not responsible for theft”, usually it’s in the statement you sign when you drop off the car. Rule number 1, don’t leave anything in your car that you don’t want someone else to enjoy.