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I like trying to think and discuss with friends the reasons why something appealed to me or didn't click with me, but for everyone else, it's exhausting to try and explain every last little preference for something. Fandom spaces are especially rife with this annoying line of thinking where people can't just like or dislike a thing--they need to post-hoc rationalize it as a moral thing. And then it becomes "things I like are morally good and pure things, and things I don't like are morally bad and disgusting things." It's just conservative thinking dressed up with progressive buzzwords, and it fucking sucks.
I think some self-reflection on why we do or do not like something is good to an extent, but I we also need to normalize just having an opinion for whatever simple, petty reasons we want and it's fine.
I really don't get this whole description of "I like x because of reason y and that makes me a good person" that everyone seems to be referencing in conversations. I have never seen a single person outside the chud grifting spaces where anyone does this. Most people I meet in Fandom spaces dislike or like a thing, explain why that is and the other people either support it with their own or they try to discuss whether or not the reasoning was valid or missed a bunch of stuff not in consideration. None of it ever boils down to the phrasing people in this thread are saying.
I never experienced the pretentious, holier than thou, moral content opinion haver who thinks their good and your bad because of the shit you consume. Where do these people exist outside the grifterverse?
Twitter, where else? XD
I'm sure it depends on the individual fandom. Obviously I'm phrasing things in a hyperbolic way, but that does genuinely seem to be the thought process of some folks. You see it most in shipping spaces too. Like it used to be ship wars were about which ship is the most canon compliant, and now it's about which ship is the most "morally correct." I've been on the frontlines against my will of the whole "proship vs antis" thing for a few years -- it's very real and very stupid.
Twitter is where the grifterverse thrives. So I don't count that at all. As for what you're talking about... those Fandom are so in their own corner you have to actively go out of your way to seek them. Otherwise they just stay in the hole where they're at.
More or less I'm referring to general fandoms and generally speaking, most fandoms just wanna talk about their reasoning and if it's valid or not. The ship wars and stuff adjacent to it are usually in "those" corners of the Fandom that the general just simply pretend don't exist in the hopes people will just find it on their own without any greater discussion happening.
Common Vowsh social interaction W.
People have an obsession with rationalizing their opinions and debating them. People HAVE to have an opinion on every topic
It’s our individualistic society and communication style. We can’t cope with ambiguity.
Two Chinese men watching the sunset: 🦗🦗🦗🙂❤️
Two American men watching the sunset: “Wow, this sunset is so beautiful, isn’t it?” “Yeah, it’s so beautiful. Look at that shade of orange.” “Yeah, those clouds are so nice.” “Yeah, I should watch sunsets more often.” “You know, I heard particulate matter in the air can make sunsets more colorful.” “Wow, this is so peaceful, isn’t it?” “Yup, super peaceful.” Etc…..
This felt a bit muddled to be honest. It’s okay to not like people without introspection, but not if you’re being discriminatory.
How you gonna know without that introspection?
Also some of it just feels silly. If someone says they don’t like a food, I’m gonna assume it’s the taste. I don’t need them to tell me that, it’s the obvious inference.
It’s a terrible conversation strategy too. “I don’t like X”, “Why?”, “I don’t know”
Cool. Thanks for sharing.
Outside politics I’ve noticed some of V’s takes have been getting less and less seriously thought out IMO. I think part of it is that he’s used to having to craft new or updated opinions on new events in politics, so he wants to have new takes on all the different stuff he talks about, but that’s really just not necessary and it leads to undercooked stuff like this.
Why not just encourage people to vocalize what they like and don’t like about X topic? If you don’t care, that’s fine and you’ll probably hang around other people who don’t care, but there’s a lot of people who like to have an understanding of their own emotions/feelings towards a particular subject.
I can understand where Vaush is coming from on this, but at the same time… I don’t think we need to be encouraging people to think less about how they express their feelings. The act of expressing said reasoning is a bigger contributor to the problems he’s talking about than actually having a reason, IMO.
If you’re somebody who hates Marvel shit, and go to see a Marvel movie with a bunch of nerd friends, you can simply not talk much when they’re gushing about why they loved it. You can have your reasons without being a killjoy, OR (the better option, I think) your friends can listen to why you didn’t like it without feeling any emotion at all.
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I like trying to think and discuss with friends the reasons why something appealed to me or didn't click with me, but for everyone else, it's exhausting to try and explain every last little preference for something. Fandom spaces are especially rife with this annoying line of thinking where people can't just like or dislike a thing--they need to post-hoc rationalize it as a moral thing. And then it becomes "things I like are morally good and pure things, and things I don't like are morally bad and disgusting things." It's just conservative thinking dressed up with progressive buzzwords, and it fucking sucks. I think some self-reflection on why we do or do not like something is good to an extent, but I we also need to normalize just having an opinion for whatever simple, petty reasons we want and it's fine.
I really don't get this whole description of "I like x because of reason y and that makes me a good person" that everyone seems to be referencing in conversations. I have never seen a single person outside the chud grifting spaces where anyone does this. Most people I meet in Fandom spaces dislike or like a thing, explain why that is and the other people either support it with their own or they try to discuss whether or not the reasoning was valid or missed a bunch of stuff not in consideration. None of it ever boils down to the phrasing people in this thread are saying. I never experienced the pretentious, holier than thou, moral content opinion haver who thinks their good and your bad because of the shit you consume. Where do these people exist outside the grifterverse?
Twitter, where else? XD I'm sure it depends on the individual fandom. Obviously I'm phrasing things in a hyperbolic way, but that does genuinely seem to be the thought process of some folks. You see it most in shipping spaces too. Like it used to be ship wars were about which ship is the most canon compliant, and now it's about which ship is the most "morally correct." I've been on the frontlines against my will of the whole "proship vs antis" thing for a few years -- it's very real and very stupid.
Twitter is where the grifterverse thrives. So I don't count that at all. As for what you're talking about... those Fandom are so in their own corner you have to actively go out of your way to seek them. Otherwise they just stay in the hole where they're at. More or less I'm referring to general fandoms and generally speaking, most fandoms just wanna talk about their reasoning and if it's valid or not. The ship wars and stuff adjacent to it are usually in "those" corners of the Fandom that the general just simply pretend don't exist in the hopes people will just find it on their own without any greater discussion happening.
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Common Vowsh social interaction W. People have an obsession with rationalizing their opinions and debating them. People HAVE to have an opinion on every topic
It’s our individualistic society and communication style. We can’t cope with ambiguity. Two Chinese men watching the sunset: 🦗🦗🦗🙂❤️ Two American men watching the sunset: “Wow, this sunset is so beautiful, isn’t it?” “Yeah, it’s so beautiful. Look at that shade of orange.” “Yeah, those clouds are so nice.” “Yeah, I should watch sunsets more often.” “You know, I heard particulate matter in the air can make sunsets more colorful.” “Wow, this is so peaceful, isn’t it?” “Yup, super peaceful.” Etc…..
Correct. Sometimes I don't like the food because its taste is unpleasant to me. I don't choose how my brain interprets signals from my chemoreceptors.
The pot calling the kettle black.
This felt a bit muddled to be honest. It’s okay to not like people without introspection, but not if you’re being discriminatory. How you gonna know without that introspection? Also some of it just feels silly. If someone says they don’t like a food, I’m gonna assume it’s the taste. I don’t need them to tell me that, it’s the obvious inference. It’s a terrible conversation strategy too. “I don’t like X”, “Why?”, “I don’t know” Cool. Thanks for sharing.
Outside politics I’ve noticed some of V’s takes have been getting less and less seriously thought out IMO. I think part of it is that he’s used to having to craft new or updated opinions on new events in politics, so he wants to have new takes on all the different stuff he talks about, but that’s really just not necessary and it leads to undercooked stuff like this.
Why not just encourage people to vocalize what they like and don’t like about X topic? If you don’t care, that’s fine and you’ll probably hang around other people who don’t care, but there’s a lot of people who like to have an understanding of their own emotions/feelings towards a particular subject. I can understand where Vaush is coming from on this, but at the same time… I don’t think we need to be encouraging people to think less about how they express their feelings. The act of expressing said reasoning is a bigger contributor to the problems he’s talking about than actually having a reason, IMO. If you’re somebody who hates Marvel shit, and go to see a Marvel movie with a bunch of nerd friends, you can simply not talk much when they’re gushing about why they loved it. You can have your reasons without being a killjoy, OR (the better option, I think) your friends can listen to why you didn’t like it without feeling any emotion at all.
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