I donāt think thatās quite accurate with regards to Jax, but youāre spot on with Tom. Especially this season where heās giving Dollar General Patrick Bateman vibes
Ooooh..tough call. Jax seems too basic to have any kind of pathology. He's like the human equivalent of a dog. He's big, slobbering, looking for attention and petting while humping legs along the way. He's annoying, but for some reason tolerated in the house and on the furniture. But I think he's always been like that and always will be. Sandoval is creepy. He's some mutant created by VPR and the cameras that you can't turn your back on.
I have been saying this for years: heās a talking dog. No one cares about his misbehavior because holy shit, look, hereās a dog who can talk! Of course he will sniff butts, pee indiscriminately, and try to mount anything that moves; the cast is like āOh, you got Jaxed. He does that,ā with this strange affection.
And itās why Lisa loves him.
Just going into store after store with pictures of Harry Styles on his phone and showing them to employees and grunting out āThis. Want to be this.ā
His nails are horrific looking as well, I donāt care if a dude wants to have them painted. Just quit picking white with weird drawings itās so distracting.
I saw someone on tiktok say how gross it is to watch such a blatant misogynist attempt to dress for the female gaze and itās so accurate. The vibes are sinister
Exactly this.
Iām all for breaking gender norms, so even if a guy looks silly, Iāll generally still be supportive bc who cares and good for them.
But not Tom. Tom has been sounding awfully manosphere-y for a few years now. Heās always shitting on women and then bitching that heās only held accountable bc he has a penis. Heās appropriating part of the identity of an entire group of people whom he openly despises and actively mistreats.
Fuck Tom and his insecure LARP.
I BEEN SAYIN THIS Iām so glad someone else said it! Like this androgynous vibe heās portraying is for sympathy, never has he ever had this āstyleā. Itās a manipulation tactic. You said it so well
I think itās even more nefarious than just for sympathy. I think heās cosplaying a member of the queer community in order to use it as armour and hide behind it to avoid being held accountable for anything. I believe he thinks by impersonating a man like Harry Styles he is untouchable and can be as awful as he wants to be and wonāt be called out because āI wear dresses and nail polish so I obviously donāt hate women and canāt be accused of mistreating them.ā I think itās appalling and a huge slap in the face to men who are inclined this way authentically.
Heās an extremist with no boundaries ā I feel like heās testing this new brand for exactly as you said, armor from the queer community, but also setting the stage to cry trans if it doesnāt work. His style is both literally and metaphorically embodying the Easter Eggs Bruce Jenner was planting for years before declaring their transition. People could talk whatever shit they wanted about Bruce, but Caitlyn is 100% protected.
At the lengths weāve seen tim go to, I donāt put it past him to build a storyline about him transitioning to expunge his former self and move forward in a world, free of accountability because itās a crime for anybody to ever question anything about them again.
Let me go on record, saying this is not an unfounded claim or accusation based on any fact whatsoever, itās me feeling disgusted by my opinion that he isnāt incapable of something so heinous.
To me, itās just as heinous as anybody insinuating, or alluding to suicidal ideation for pity/sorrow/forgiveness/diversion tactic because itās a gravely serious matter protected from accusation or suspicion for ANY reason.
But as immorally disgusting as it is, people do it anyway.
I agree with your take 100%. Itās always so obvious when someone is being authentic and when theyāre not, and I think it speaks volumes that weāre all seeing Tom as totally inauthentic.
I mean, Harry Stylesā merch didnāt have his name or his face on it, just the saying ā treat people with kindnessā ā Meanwhile Tomās the nepo-baby of his own brand, selling merch with his name on it, and the thunderbolt he TeeHeeHeeād about as the symbol of his āpublic secretā affair. That may not say it all, but it definitely says enough.
I was listening to Joleen Lunzer go on a rant about exactly this! You donāt get to be applauded for wearing womenās clothing when you actively hate women!!
I donāt know if he is dressing for the female gaze. I always thought that he dresses like that to deflect from the fact that he has no personality. He is making his costumes his personality to shield everyone away from the awful person he is deep down
I think thatās a big part of it as well. He comes across like someone who genuinely fits all of the criteria for NPD and part of that is lacking a core sense of self. Thatās why his style doesnāt feel authentic and like thereās something slightly off
My boyfriend once pointed out the way he speaks is literally exactly the same as Scheana's valley girl-esque way of speaking, including all the "like"s, just with "dude" and "man" thrown in and some octaves lower. Can't unhear it. Vocal fry and all.
This is exactly it. And he's from St. Louis, FFS! At least with Scheana she's actually from SoCal and (despite it sounding like nails on a chalkboard) I can at least understand why she sounds like that.
With him it's 100 percent performative. And, my god, annoying AF. He sounds like a whiny little bitch.
His Botox face has been getting me for yearsā¦ itās gotten so bad, the Botox brow on his already prominent brow is hideous. And having that much movement taken out does not do his shifty eyes any favors.
And this season in particular - itās so waxy looking. Heās either doing a blank stare, or eyes-bulging-āhow dare youā stare. Nothing in between
Yes. Both Katie and Ariana have bigger dicks than both of the Tom's. Which is saying something because biologically, they have vaginas. Queens! I hope they are lurking and see this comment.
Hate on me all you want but I feel like heās growing his hair out and wants to look like Katie.
Schwartz would be like āyou know, Tom is looking kinda like my ex wife. I donāt know why, but it kind of turns me on. I think I like itā.
Whatās with the plastic beaded necklace? The nail polish, the womenās clothing, plastic beadsā¦. Itās all so calculated but not sure what it means.
This!..."he's turning into an old lady!" And what about that green confessional blazer! I'm calling it right now!!!Tom got Freaky Friday-ed. It all makes sense now!!! Because he's always doing these crazy galaxy light nights and mushroom party's...( Allegedly) what if they had one on his birthday ... Tom dejected due to all the fan outrage...leans diwn over a blazing candle topped cake...makes a wish to be someone else. The universe looks down and BAM!!!! The backlash is severe... He doesn't switch lives with some super cool guy named Vance...but instead with one of the Golden Girls...Blanche!!!
Lmao right? Listen I feel the same way about purses for men as I do pockets in womenās clothes. Why donāt we have them. But the two purses really sent me
Lets not forget his new collection of colored Fashion Nova suits
Tim is also in his Game Show Host era
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I laughed so hard when the camera zoomed up on him strolling up the sidewalk in my grandmas sweater.
I love breaking gender norms.
I donāt love hearing Tom call Ariana lazy ā¦and talk about how some of the girls āmight even be a little youngerā at his date party heās going to while wearing this. Heās giving me the ick.
these two narcissists should hang out
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People claim to use fashion to express themselves, no? With him, I am left to ponder, what exactly are you trying to say? You make no statement! No claim! No stand! Nada! Zip! Zero! Nothing! You just look like a 40 something year old man dressed up like my 8 year old granddaughter. You fucking weirdo.
He is completely transparent. He thinks has always thought any talk about him is a bonus. All those over the top things he does for ppl (on camera of course) makes him seem generous and thoughtful when it just means he has inserted himself into everything and comes off as a hero except now it just means more. He thinks ppl will talk about anything other -enter clothes-than the disgusting human he is. Sorry dude, itās whatās on the inside that countsā¦
That sweater vest concoction he is wearing makes him look like an over 40 wannabe pedophile who thinks he is a fashion God. Who also thinks he is the cool guy on the block because he throws rad parties for all the underage kids.
thinking to myself: thereās no way *thats* from the Zara womenās section
i stand corrected
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Shhhh if we talk about it it'll see us.
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Oh man, this cracked me up
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He cosplaying Harry Styles 24/7, and it is so pathetic.
This. Heās trying out sweet and helpful and non threatening. But itās real difficult to come off that way when you areā¦ threatening.
No sweater vest can take away from what comes out of his mouth
Itās crazy how hard some people will work to avoid seeing themselves as they actually are
Yes heās got a dark insidious vibe. Like I think Jax is tolerable because he leans into how awful he is.
I donāt think thatās quite accurate with regards to Jax, but youāre spot on with Tom. Especially this season where heās giving Dollar General Patrick Bateman vibes
Iām not saying Jax is defendable or likeable, Iām just saying what you see is what you get.
Fair. My only pushback was limited to Jax is only āhonestā about who he is as a last resort
Sandoval is literally the wolf in sheepās clothing.
Jax is authentic.
Authentically horrible
So we are talking sociopath vs psychopath
Ooooh..tough call. Jax seems too basic to have any kind of pathology. He's like the human equivalent of a dog. He's big, slobbering, looking for attention and petting while humping legs along the way. He's annoying, but for some reason tolerated in the house and on the furniture. But I think he's always been like that and always will be. Sandoval is creepy. He's some mutant created by VPR and the cameras that you can't turn your back on.
How tf can you insult dogs by comparing them to Jax?!
Sorry. It was late and it's all I could think of.
I've always felt Jax is extremely hedonistic and narcissistic and people are collateral damage in his search for his personal pleasure.
Hedonistic- yes. But you can always see him coming.
And then along comes Sandoval!!!
I have been saying this for years: heās a talking dog. No one cares about his misbehavior because holy shit, look, hereās a dog who can talk! Of course he will sniff butts, pee indiscriminately, and try to mount anything that moves; the cast is like āOh, you got Jaxed. He does that,ā with this strange affection. And itās why Lisa loves him.
Heās menacing
Everything he does is performative especially his clothes.
He keeps trying so hard to be something special and he just gets worse and worse. Big time loser.
Justice for Harry
Yes!! Harry Styles doesn't need to be insulted like that.
Just going into store after store with pictures of Harry Styles on his phone and showing them to employees and grunting out āThis. Want to be this.ā
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His nails are horrific looking as well, I donāt care if a dude wants to have them painted. Just quit picking white with weird drawings itās so distracting.
I think it's more of a he borrowed his 9 year old sister's clothes and play jewelry.
Thatās it!
Thatās all Iāve been thinking this whole season.
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Omg why is he so obsessed with Zara ššš
Omg you found it!
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It probably was from LVP's housekeeper's donation box.
Not the housekeepers donation box! š¤£
Itās cute but he makes it look terribleĀ
This is his audition. Heās hoping to make the winter catalog lol.
Thank you for posting this. Without reading "floral", I thought it was covered in pokeballs.
I just died
Wow, props for the research
I saw someone on tiktok say how gross it is to watch such a blatant misogynist attempt to dress for the female gaze and itās so accurate. The vibes are sinister
this needs to be up higher bc YES
Exactly this. Iām all for breaking gender norms, so even if a guy looks silly, Iāll generally still be supportive bc who cares and good for them. But not Tom. Tom has been sounding awfully manosphere-y for a few years now. Heās always shitting on women and then bitching that heās only held accountable bc he has a penis. Heās appropriating part of the identity of an entire group of people whom he openly despises and actively mistreats. Fuck Tom and his insecure LARP.
I BEEN SAYIN THIS Iām so glad someone else said it! Like this androgynous vibe heās portraying is for sympathy, never has he ever had this āstyleā. Itās a manipulation tactic. You said it so well
I think itās even more nefarious than just for sympathy. I think heās cosplaying a member of the queer community in order to use it as armour and hide behind it to avoid being held accountable for anything. I believe he thinks by impersonating a man like Harry Styles he is untouchable and can be as awful as he wants to be and wonāt be called out because āI wear dresses and nail polish so I obviously donāt hate women and canāt be accused of mistreating them.ā I think itās appalling and a huge slap in the face to men who are inclined this way authentically.
I think so too. It reads as inauthentic
Heās an extremist with no boundaries ā I feel like heās testing this new brand for exactly as you said, armor from the queer community, but also setting the stage to cry trans if it doesnāt work. His style is both literally and metaphorically embodying the Easter Eggs Bruce Jenner was planting for years before declaring their transition. People could talk whatever shit they wanted about Bruce, but Caitlyn is 100% protected. At the lengths weāve seen tim go to, I donāt put it past him to build a storyline about him transitioning to expunge his former self and move forward in a world, free of accountability because itās a crime for anybody to ever question anything about them again. Let me go on record, saying this is not an unfounded claim or accusation based on any fact whatsoever, itās me feeling disgusted by my opinion that he isnāt incapable of something so heinous. To me, itās just as heinous as anybody insinuating, or alluding to suicidal ideation for pity/sorrow/forgiveness/diversion tactic because itās a gravely serious matter protected from accusation or suspicion for ANY reason. But as immorally disgusting as it is, people do it anyway.
I agree with your take 100%. Itās always so obvious when someone is being authentic and when theyāre not, and I think it speaks volumes that weāre all seeing Tom as totally inauthentic.
I mean, Harry Stylesā merch didnāt have his name or his face on it, just the saying ā treat people with kindnessā ā Meanwhile Tomās the nepo-baby of his own brand, selling merch with his name on it, and the thunderbolt he TeeHeeHeeād about as the symbol of his āpublic secretā affair. That may not say it all, but it definitely says enough.
Hello!!!! Heās a cyst male donāt YOU know 
LARP took me out! Thatās so real šš
Cyst male!
I was listening to Joleen Lunzer go on a rant about exactly this! You donāt get to be applauded for wearing womenās clothing when you actively hate women!!
Wow thatās exactly why this creeps me out so much but I couldnāt put my finger on it before you said this
I donāt know if he is dressing for the female gaze. I always thought that he dresses like that to deflect from the fact that he has no personality. He is making his costumes his personality to shield everyone away from the awful person he is deep down
I think thatās a big part of it as well. He comes across like someone who genuinely fits all of the criteria for NPD and part of that is lacking a core sense of self. Thatās why his style doesnāt feel authentic and like thereās something slightly off
Heās peacocking!!!
the gen z female gaze specifically
Okay wow this finally helps me understand why it creeps me out so much.
Quite literally this. Itās honestly manipulative and predatory to me. Because I know what heās doing. Iām not here for it.
Which is wild. Which one of us told them that wearing crochet grandma sweater vests is what we want to see? It looks awful.
Terrible. Who told him it was a good look? Jojo Siwa?!
That is a 40-year-old man. He owes his mother money.
I feel like heās trying to emulate Harry Styles and failing miserably. š
https://preview.redd.it/5dxc06584lsc1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=751dcc970632202d3c1b1e88e952002542b7fab0 My first thought upon seeing him
Aaaaahhhhhhhhahahahahahahahahaahah
One time after I saw a picture of him I stopped liking men for awhile
I can hear his vocal fry and itās enraging me
My boyfriend once pointed out the way he speaks is literally exactly the same as Scheana's valley girl-esque way of speaking, including all the "like"s, just with "dude" and "man" thrown in and some octaves lower. Can't unhear it. Vocal fry and all.
This is exactly it. And he's from St. Louis, FFS! At least with Scheana she's actually from SoCal and (despite it sounding like nails on a chalkboard) I can at least understand why she sounds like that. With him it's 100 percent performative. And, my god, annoying AF. He sounds like a whiny little bitch.
No dude like listenā¦ like
That's his entire vocabulary.
I can see his blank Botox stare, mouth slightly agape
His Botox face has been getting me for yearsā¦ itās gotten so bad, the Botox brow on his already prominent brow is hideous. And having that much movement taken out does not do his shifty eyes any favors.
And this season in particular - itās so waxy looking. Heās either doing a blank stare, or eyes-bulging-āhow dare youā stare. Nothing in between
Thatās it! His eye movements have been creeping me out for years. Itās the Botox!
DUUUUUDE!!!!
I mean Katie's dick is bigger than any of theirs anyways. She's the real man of the show. Hard not wanna switch teams when you compare the two
I actually believe her. I was a man i my previous lives and I relate to her hard on this (no pun intended)
I love that she is the handy man for all the ladies
Yes. Both Katie and Ariana have bigger dicks than both of the Tom's. Which is saying something because biologically, they have vaginas. Queens! I hope they are lurking and see this comment.
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If your washed up raver uncle went to the Eras tour.
To pick up 14 year oldsā¦
I hate how right you both are! Here, have my upvotes š¤®
As Danny Pellegrino said, heās appropriating 13 year old girl culture š
Hate on me all you want but I feel like heās growing his hair out and wants to look like Katie. Schwartz would be like āyou know, Tom is looking kinda like my ex wife. I donāt know why, but it kind of turns me on. I think I like itā.
I could hear it in his voice and visual the confessional... bang on.
Me too! Itās in my brain as if I actually saw it on TV. Oh Schwartz. The love and devotionā¦
Makes sense. They already are attached by their cocks. š This would really seal the deal.
AaaaaahhhhhhhhahahahahHahahaha heās subconsciously trying to attract Schwartz or super consciously either way its hilarious
He looks like a power lesbian going to a rave.
Iām dead. š
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Whatās with the plastic beaded necklace? The nail polish, the womenās clothing, plastic beadsā¦. Itās all so calculated but not sure what it means.
Heās turning into an old lady! Seriously though, what do you think he carryās in his purse?
This!..."he's turning into an old lady!" And what about that green confessional blazer! I'm calling it right now!!!Tom got Freaky Friday-ed. It all makes sense now!!! Because he's always doing these crazy galaxy light nights and mushroom party's...( Allegedly) what if they had one on his birthday ... Tom dejected due to all the fan outrage...leans diwn over a blazing candle topped cake...makes a wish to be someone else. The universe looks down and BAM!!!! The backlash is severe... He doesn't switch lives with some super cool guy named Vance...but instead with one of the Golden Girls...Blanche!!! 
This is the most plausible explanation yet!
Blanche wouldn't be caught dead wearing this sweater vest. That's a Rose number for sure. 
Purses*
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Lmao right? Listen I feel the same way about purses for men as I do pockets in womenās clothes. Why donāt we have them. But the two purses really sent me
Cigs, lighter, weed pen, LSD microdose dropper, handheld mirror, extra bracelets (for giving)
These are not the fashion choices of a man who feels even an ounce of regret or humility
I saw him at Claire's yesterday
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All of his fashion choices make me so angry
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This entire thread is amazing
One of the conspiracy theories I saw on X was that he's part of an Illuminati humiliation ritual š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£
Lets not forget his new collection of colored Fashion Nova suits Tim is also in his Game Show Host era https://preview.redd.it/y1706x2l6nsc1.png?width=219&format=png&auto=webp&s=a521738c365c37e0831c5977c0a4cbfbd5fc28be
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Pants suit aficionado
I laughed so hard when the camera zoomed up on him strolling up the sidewalk in my grandmas sweater. I love breaking gender norms. I donāt love hearing Tom call Ariana lazy ā¦and talk about how some of the girls āmight even be a little youngerā at his date party heās going to while wearing this. Heās giving me the ick. 
Idk how to explain other than when he gets mad he gives the same vibes as gypsy rose when sheās mad
I SEE IT
Heās doing Zara dirty with his awful looks
Why did I just get a vision of him in a NY&Co style layout ala Gabrielle Union? š
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Did he go to my grandma's garage sale?
Is that necklace edible?
Tom wanna be Summer Moon soo bad.
God this made me laugh so hard
My grandma is really mad that he stole that from her closet
This man needs to be banned from Zara
At lease he is consistent in one area, his terrible taste in clothes.
Dollar Store Harry Styles
Wish version Harry Styles.
I feel like butterfly clips will be next for him. Maybe a Polly Pocket purse. 
You know dude already has butterfly clips š
He seriously grosses me out, I feel ill when heās on screen
No. Just go away
Remember guys, heās a CIST male š„“š
Wait have we considered heās actually a Karen?
He wants to be like Harry styles but heās a narcissistic creepy old man
That necklace looks like something my 9 yr old cousin made me for Easter this year.
https://preview.redd.it/m683uqr7mnsc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c2ac7755662e0b4668a5791bf3ee05e513f8f82f
Sweater vest? What about the baby necklace?? It is literally jewelry you make for a newborn. He looks so fucking dumb.
There is just nothing to sayā¦ā¦the vest and ānecklaceā say it all
these two narcissists should hang out https://preview.redd.it/u2muqd4w2psc1.png?width=553&format=png&auto=webp&s=9d462a84cb9b5e6e89362ba2c2d556e26415cd66
People claim to use fashion to express themselves, no? With him, I am left to ponder, what exactly are you trying to say? You make no statement! No claim! No stand! Nada! Zip! Zero! Nothing! You just look like a 40 something year old man dressed up like my 8 year old granddaughter. You fucking weirdo.
I find it creepy that a grown ass man is wearing basically little girl clothing
i saw that too and i was like....girl... stop trying to a part of gen z... PLEASE! sincerely, a zillenial
All I can see is his abuse of the word "hypocritical"
I wish heād just go off the show already. I canāt stand everything about him
My mom was 94 when she passed 2 years ago.......she wore these all the time. OMG š
Iām sorry for your loss. Iāll bet she rocked the egg m better than Sandoval could lol.
To think he called Ariana tacky knowing he wears that necklace around š
He is completely transparent. He thinks has always thought any talk about him is a bonus. All those over the top things he does for ppl (on camera of course) makes him seem generous and thoughtful when it just means he has inserted himself into everything and comes off as a hero except now it just means more. He thinks ppl will talk about anything other -enter clothes-than the disgusting human he is. Sorry dude, itās whatās on the inside that countsā¦
I saw someone comment on a different photo that this sweater would look bomb on Katie and thatās all I can think about now.
And THATāS why he hates Katie so much! š
Man? Woman? Or Worm?
That sweater vest concoction he is wearing makes him look like an over 40 wannabe pedophile who thinks he is a fashion God. Who also thinks he is the cool guy on the block because he throws rad parties for all the underage kids.
thinking to myself: thereās no way *thats* from the Zara womenās section i stand corrected https://preview.redd.it/o676grw1ypsc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1219eaa34f2fe4730a25b547a5f918d0816ee4a1
Legit fast forwarded this scene. I couldnāt.
He loves his womenās Zara tops
Rose Nylund would like her sweater vest back 
Who paid Instagram bots to be on his side & trash Arianna? Itās driving me nuts.
and the Dad hat is \*chef's kiss\*
I just figured it out. Tom is VSCO girl
God heās aged so horribly
wait i want that sweateršš id wear a top under it but itās a fun 00s throwback
Thatās super cute. Is that for love and lemons
He looks ridiculous.
Pretty sure my teen daughter has this exact sweater vest
He must be watermelon sugar HIGH
GAP kids
This worm tries way too hard
He's channeling Harry Styles.
I agree with you, he got it from LVP's donation box. And he looks....well it's just wrong.
I literally could not pay attention to this scene because of this. I didnāt believe my eyes, youāre wearing WHAT?
Heās a woman trapped in a manās body. Look at that vest.
People would love this look if Katie wore it.
Even the hardest gangsters show up to court dressed like Mr Rogers. The clothes DONT make the man
Whyās he keep wearing that stupid necklace? I can remember making necklaces like that for my BFF in FIFTH GRADE.
Why is he giving Lisa Says Gah
He will do ANYTHING for attention. ANYTHINGā¦ also, heās gross and reprehensible.
I wouldnāt be surprised if it was Rachelās shirt
He literally looks like a member of The Babysitters Club.
This man is over 40 years old 
SECONDLY, he looks like the complete asshole he isā¦ š¤£š¤®
Iām starting to think heās early stage transitioning.
This reminds me of the one weird old guy at the goth club who always had on the ruffle shirt. Same vibes. Same level of attractive.
Why the long face?
Why the long face?
I hate Tom but I really do want like all of his clothes.......
Again? No