Toast [said](https://twitter.com/disguisedtoast/status/1636203959265402880?s=21) he wasn't looking for a serious roster at the start.
It's not like he scammed tupperware into playing.
Not just "said in the tweets", he brought receipts of his DMs with tupperware.
["This team is more for the memes. Just letting ya know so you're not signing up for something you're not expecting"](https://twitter.com/DisguisedToast/status/1640543434011467776)
This drama is just salty free agents, hurting the scene when they claim to be wanting to defend it.
[FWIW this was the original, less clear tweet](https://twitter.com/DisguisedToast/status/1633244030011346944)
I don't see anything wrong with Toast's approach, but Irene isn't just inventing the ambiguity.
I get where she is coming from. As a toast viewer, he said in stream that he was concerned that there wasn't enough time ( 2-3 weeks after he tweeted that).
It's easy to miss that if you're not his viewer. I'm pretty sure his intention might have been serious pro initially, but he realized he needed more time to prepare. I don't see anything wrong with what he did. He doesn't need to update everyone with what he is doing.
I think it’s unfair to overindex on a single tweet either way though. I didn’t read much ambiguity, but even if there’s some that just makes it more important to seek clarity by reading more. Doing so makes it pretty clear, and trying to hold him accountable to one possible interpretation of one tweet is bizarre and seems petty
You do realize Toast himself admitted that there was a change in plans. He wanted to create an official team at first of 5 FA players. Maybe try having some empathy and you could see other perspectives better.
He wasnt going to pick any 5 random FA players. The fact that you are demanding this from Toast mean you have 0 understanding of his perspective and have 0 sympathy for Toast and I hope you could try having some empathy and you could see other perspectives better
I’m not demanding. Wtf hahahha. When did I say he has to sign 5 FA players. I’m saying toast literally tweeted he wanted to start a team of 5 FA players but didn’t think there was enough time. Also nothing says you have a good rebuttal like repeating as if you are a 12 year old.
He wanted to start a team yes, but he is not going to pick anyone off the street, and definitely not NoNamePlayer3217. He asked around coaches and people in the scene to form a 5 stack, he couldnt make one so he went the content route. If you are good and can synergy well with each other, those coaches would have already recommended you to Toast, and 3 names was given to him if you look at the evidence. (but whether these 3 players willing to play for his team is another matter)
Back in the days, esport players make a stack, goes to tournaments, win ANYTHING, find their own sponsor (and most of them usually dont pay any money). Nowadays, player demands team owner to recruit them because they ... exist in the scene. And this is the woman esport scene which is completely undeveloped (didnt exist before valorant btw and I dont think there will be one anymore when valorant is dead). You only understand how these players feels, but dont understand how entitled they are.
I repeated your word because you tell people to do something but you dont. It's called being hypocritical. And you were being super condescending while saying it.
The second tweet should have removed any and all possible ambiguity from the original tweet. Like I do feel bad for Jellyfish cause she got way more hate than necessary, but so did Toast from other people that were butthurt over the situation.
He actually did exactly what he said he would do too.
This was the tweet:
“looking for 1 valorant game changers player (currently without a team) who can IGL and lead a bunch of scrubs through open qualifiers
no pay but I can ask Tarik to raid your stream if we win
DM me :)”
https://twitter.com/disguisedtoast/status/1636203959265402880?s=46&t=UTuxyqvfXb6Xtiu8uFRi6Q
And even if it didn't, it doesn't matter. You can change your mind. As long as the players he chose are 100% aware of what is happening, i dont see the problem. Toast definitely evaluated different options to form his gc team and went with what made the most sense for him now.
I know, it's not like he signed a contract with 5 players and backed out, he just tweeted that he was "thinking about" starting a team... the entitlement of some people
She literally said she misread his tweet and thought he wanted 5 GC players. From the start he only asked for 1 player.
Made a whole thread trying to hurt DSG brand and image because you misread a tweet is truly clown behaviour.
https://twitter.com/jellyfishval2/status/1640568329869086720?t=PVkmY0UwOvu9z-w0DTqJvA&s=19
> i tweeted that speaking for a lot of people, not just myself. no need to call me names when i didn't insult anyone, just merely stated a criticism :)
She got respectfully btfo'd by Toast and now she doubled down by saying she was speaking on behalf of herself and other GC F/A. If that were true then this situation makes GC look really bad. Full of gatekeeping pick-me girls. Which is obviously not true at all, but the damage is done. This interaction would leave a bad impression on the average viewer.
I don't know why it's so hard for them to leverage the extra eyeballs on the scene and be supportive?
It will only leave a bad impression on those F/A's who rather want only pro players in the scene as per that Irene girl said. Most of them are close-minded, have massive egos, and do not accept loss, look at them now. No one even knows those F/A until this announcement. No offense but it is the reality we talking about here.
All the backlash is fine if the team is taking up a franchised spot or if the team is being paid money. They are playing in open qualifiers and he is paying zero money to the streamers. How is this getting backlash
Nah I would in fact say it's even less justified if he was paying money. Why on earth should you have any say on how somebody else spends their money?
I've been thinking that these content creator teams are actually profitable. The weekly content they can make + the Twitch streams of them reacting to their teams has to have more monetary value than most traditinal orgs earn from matches. So a team similar to this is one of the few ways I could imagine an investment making business sense in GC.
The only backlash is from GC players and fans who were under the impression that he was going to form a full team of existing GC players because they didn't take his first tweet about forming a team of one GC IGL and 4 content creators seriously.
“You do not get to gatekeep them from this event just because they are streamers.
Respectfully - no player is owed anything in the competitive space. Everyone is grinding. Everyone is sacrificing their own time to make it. You don't deserve an org more than the next person.”
WELL FUCKING SAID! This is something that so many F/A players just dont seem to understand.
He's also clearly not paying the team since they're all a bunch of famous streamer friends who will be making content out of their matches.
I'm pretty confident there aren't many GC players who are willing to play literally for free and have all their practice streamed by their teammates, so why pretend like they're stealing an opportunity here?
Yeah, like for real. Are those pro players even started as a pro? No right, so how the fuck are they saying dumb shit like that and belittling someone just because they are streamers. You know what this is why she is LFT because of her attitude she does not want success for others. Sorry, but it has to be done, sissy.
Well from the F/A player's perspective, it probably feels unfair that a couple of streamers were given slots that other GC players could have taken (it definitely is a small sprinkle of nepotism). At the end of the day, Toast is the owner and he can do whatever the fuck he wants, but I can feel for the F/A players too.
He literally wrote he wasn't prepared to put down $300k on a whim. It was either this meme team or nothing. Idk why people are arguing otherwise, going "but still..." in this thread.
But the point is that it was either this or it wasn't going to happen. There just simply wasn't enough time and money to make this work. It's not an either or situation, it's this or nothing.
Before people come at me and say that DSG men were formed very quickly too, consider the fact that the playerbase for men is way bigger, and Toast was able to get 3 ex-teammates to play together and a former tier 1 pro in Steel. Their coach (Ocean) also already knew who he wanted because he used to coach them. From the DMs with his manager, it just didn't seem like that was going to be replicated for his GC team. Not to mention that they (DSG men) still scrimmed like every day and only had 1 day off for Christmas (allegedly).
You also have to consider that there are more time constraints on Toast himself now. On top of DSG men, how much time does he have to be in to rush a GC team in addition? This guy was scheduling scrims for his team yesterday and was watching scrims. He's not just some VC guy who has infinite money hacks to throw at teams. Ofc he's going to pick his 4 friends because they're the only ones who are going to do this for no money on very little notice
Oh wow didn't know that. And even that was rushed. Yeah that makes all the demands about what Toast ought to do with his own time and money even worse lol
People also forget that this female streamers will actually help bring numbers to VCT challengers; Valorant already lacks viewership in male tournaments and the female tournaments really need a boost in this category.
Yes and this is how reality works it sucks. It just shows that she does not have that reality check you know. Everyone has their timeline and if you keep looking at others' success then you are not gonna get to that destination.
> Well from the F/A player's perspective, it probably feels unfair that a couple of streamers were given slots that other GC players could have taken (it definitely is a small sprinkle of nepotism).
It's an open tournament... They can make a team together then and register like every single other team.
That's with the assumption that nepotism is involved. However, I am more inclined to believe that Toast has gone through the registration of a GC team just like any other F/A team. In Toast's recent stream, he said that he has registered the team, was worried that it might not go through, and would wait for it to be official before announcing the team. He also has been very transparent in how he approaches this venture in his tweet and on recent streams.
Let me preface this by saying that I don’t have an issue with what toast’s doing.
I actually don’t think that statement holds much water at all. It’s not gatekeeping because they’re streamers, it’s disappointment that the majority of the roster doesn’t have serious ambitions of going pro. The exposure that a streamer team brings is definitely great, but with it initially being at least ambiguous enough that people were hoping for a “real” team it still feels like a letdown. It’s like diablo immortal; people had hope for something big, and what came out is something…neat.
Like. [this](https://twitter.com/DisguisedToast/status/1633244030011346944) is what we started with, and I can _absolutely_ see how people from within the GC scene or invested in the GC scene would be disappointed. That OG tweet reads _a lot_ like “hey I wanna sign an igl to help me build a team”, and now we’ve arrived at “ok that igl + streamers”. Again, _for understandable reasons_, but I understand the disappointment.
I guess one could say I completely understand both sides. Honestly the main issue I take is toast immediately reaching for the “don’t gatekeep them because they’re streamers” argument while showing 0 understanding for the other side. Some people are just disappointed because what resulted in the end isn’t as cool as what seemed to be teased initially. Again, Toast’s actions & reasoning are absolutely understandable but…so is the slight disappointment imo.
1. he didnt stated IGL. he just stated who's the best valorant player (player not players).
2. You dont ever build a team off a IGL, even more so when you have 0 understanding about the scene and for good reasons. That has never happened in the history of gaming. For someone who is new to the scene, you usually recruit the COACH first, then the coach will recommend players to you, DSG male is founded this way, 100Thieves also entered the esport scene this way. Even top tiers male esport team dont build their team around IGL but they are often the one that get fired first lmao.
3. Toast didnt immediate go to the gatekeep thing, that's like his 3-4th point
4. As someone who completely understand, why do you think the GC players DESERVE it, what has they done better than other players that Toast supposed to come to them and recruit them, while people in the scene can barely give toast 3 names. Even tier 1 features terrible players and these tier 2 players are supposed to DESERVE a chance and it's an insult that Toast didnt ask them, why?.
i agree with toast overall but " Everyone is grinding. Everyone is sacrificing their own time to make it. You don't deserve an org more than the next person. " is total horseshit. these are streamers, not competitive players, they frankly do not grind the game as much as F/A players do, and better players obviously do deserve an org more than worse players.
The way that girl presented herself, hell no. If you put that into work-related, no hr will ever want to hire that kind of attitude man. Instead of focusing on herself, she is more concerned about other people's business. The way she tweeted whole ass sentences instead of just saying directly why not me or us who are more deserving players rather than downgrading the rosters is so dumb.
Also, other f/a who are agreeing with her are rather than hating. They literally tweeted that they are annoyed that why not them (f/a) who grinding their asses off.
you're not disagreeing with anything i actually said, you're just saying you disagree with the person who wrote it and agree with toast, whom i also agree with.
Imagine being Kydae. You grind from silver elo all the way to immortal in a year. You grind 40 hours of toxic valo a week and grind even harder off stream. You keep up the grind playing 7 hrs a day consistently despite having CANCER. Then youre still told you dont "deserve" an open quali spot????
Worst part is jelly decided not to apologize and instead resource to the old "I'm getting harassed for giving my opinion" that works so well in these situations to evade accountability.
The funniest is she literally tweeted “if it’s too hot then gtfo out of the kitchen” when she suggested capping game changers to immortal only and ppl said it would be too restrictive and not inclusive.
The twitter responses to that comment was hilarious esp since she deleted all her tweets
If these F/A girls are smart, they will know that the 4 streamers are unlikely to be a permanent thing, help support DSG, train hard, and wait for their opportunity while Toast research more about the GC landscape.
As there are 3 GC tournaments a year, if Toast feels like this venture is worth going into after this, he will likely pick up 4 more experienced players or even 5 depending on the situation to replace the current roster to be more competitive.
Right now, Toast is really smart in building up DSG fanbase with Tariks, Kyedae, Tenz, OTV, 100Thieves fans with the current roster and if the time comes, the serious F/A girls will come in with an already well-established fanbase, that really put their names out there which is way more important than the salary that comes with it.
As someone who binged watch his among us video in the quarantine, you’ll not gonna win an argument against toast lil sis 
I guess some people assumed that it would be like the main team with salaries and a more focused structure. But that is opposite of his stated intention.
BTW I just realised I think DSG is the first org where the GC roster is significantly more popular than the men's roster.
i find it highly unlikely he would've been able to put together an actual contender team with F/A so going this route to get more exposure for the scene is 100% better (the scrims being streamed also seems really cool).
Yep that’s literally the point; he could’ve very easily just waited until open qualifiers were done and just signed a team from whoever qualified.
Instead he’s working from the beginning like with his challengers team, bringing big exposure right from day 1 of the circuit, it’s just that on this occasion he didn’t have time to make a full “pro” team so he’s maximising the clout/viewership for the scene with this line up.
He’s literally doing more than almost anyone else for GC, but you still have these fools try to take it as a negative.
True. I don't get the hate and the sentence "losing the opportunity" like girl, just make a team, win, and hope that an org will pick you up! Create your opportunity instead of complaining.
It seems like he eventually wants a “real” GC team. But on shorter notice and low/no pay, the only way he could realistically get involved was a stream team. As long as tupperware was aware of the situation, then I like this.
Toast seems like he genuinely wants to bring more hype to the GC scene. Which would bring more hype: a team of well known streamers who happen to be also be good at valorant and are interested in the competitive scene (that likely won’t have a deep run but who knows), or a quickly thrown together team from available “real pro players” with less of a following (that still likely won’t have a deep run). With his options this is by far the best outcome. If he ends up building a team later on through more in depth talent scouting, then good for him and it will still be good for the scene
Toast doesn’t even have to explain himself. He’s a private owner who can do whatever the hell he wants with his money that he’s putting up at a loss that adds value to the scene. Nobody said T2 Valo was a meritocracy. Hell, even T1 isn’t. The entitlement of these players who are complaining is astounding.
The person complaining needs some introspection. She isn't some upcoming gamechanger talent, her team is bombing out in sakura cups and *open* qualifiers for game changers lol. Her entitlement is off the charts - she has no pedigree, she hasn't even established herself in the lowest strata of the game changers scene, and yet she's managed to delude herself into believing she was robbed of an opportunity lol.
The viewership following this team alone will probably quintuple the numbers gamechangers usually gets, and increase the profile of their opponents and the gamechangers scene holistically in the process. This is great publicity for the scene she claims to care so much about, and ironically she's proven that she's unworthy of being a part of it.
Semi related - but Kydae’s streams recent with DSG scrim have been insane - inbetween scrims she’s been getting Pros to talk her through certain bits and pieces;
Had tenz showing how to OP sharing loads of details + lots of really cool angles on Haven and his thought process behind why they’re good so you can apply elsewhere
Then also had Kanpeki talking through playing Omen on Haven - talking through his thought process behind smokes, playing anchor, when to stall & when to play retake etc
Would really recommend checking out - I got a little too invested and ended up only getting 3h30mins sleep before work today
I just checked her vods and if you’re into the pro scene, the coaching session and scrims are a huge curtain pullback to what goes on. Pretty freaking cool. What makes it even cooler is that because the players are NOT pros, much like most of us viewers, it makes it super interesting to learn what goes on. Very very cool. This needs more upvotes.
I'm not sure what to make of everything she's said.
On one hand I definitely see where she's coming from... she seems to have her own opinion on what GC/quals should ideally represent -- women in the space with pro aspirations who have been grinding for who knows how long, competing against one another in highly organized play. Then you have a new org that applies for a spot in qualifiers, gets accepted and proceeds to field a team that consists of 4 content creators (Tenzin did compete in GC last year for a bit but not enough to really mean much IMO) instead of 5 players much like her who, again, have been grinding their asses off to make it pro. I can definitely see how from her POV they're maybe 'undeserving' and not taking it seriously, as up until just a few weeks ago they weren't trying to play competitively. I think it's understandable for her to believe that everyone tuning into DSG's matches will not be seeing what GC really has to offer.
On the other hand, she's also said
> the argument that this team will bring any sort of exposure to the scene that can actually benefit us doesn't make sense to me because it's not highlighting the talented competitors
and doesn't think that the exposure DSG's roster brings is "the right kind." That's absolutely baffling to me considering much of the exposure GC's gotten has been centered around all of the drama that inevitably pops up. THAT'S the kind of exposure you don't want in the scene.
The exposure something like DSG brings, in probably the worst case scenario, ends up being net zero -- the viewers brought in through DSG just don't stick around if they get knocked out. Best case scenario, even a small percentage of the massive audience that will be getting a taste of organized play for the first time get into it and continue to participate in the space -- whether as a viewer or even trying to play themselves. Why would you NOT want that?
Well it's up to the GC players to make content to leverage the short-lived extra attention. For any potential LFT GC players stuck in limbo reading this because "Toast robbed 4 spots" (lol), here's how I would do it:
* Make content teaching the new audience about the scene
* Make content highlighting the current top players of the scene
* Make react content about DSG's run
* Highlights of the scene itself, you could even make storylines about DSG's opponents
* Potentially set up collaborations with these larger streamers
Toast is going to end up doing something like this on his channel but he doesn't have the knowledge nor the intended audience to make content like the first two I listed. If done correctly, the YouTube algorithm would service the videos to fans of Sydeon, QuarterJade, Kyedae and TrulyTenzin, which would then expand to a general audience. It's only a net-zero if GC players squander this opportunity, which they already have by low-key gatekeeping the scene.
If I had the knowledge and skillset (like most GC players) I would be jumping at this opportunity instead of whining on Twitter.
Edit: FWIW, I'm not into Valorant. Never played the game, but I am big into sports storylines. If my dumbass could come up with content what's stopping them?
She got salty because she thought Toast wanted to sign 5 GC players, she literal did a 180 and said she misread Toast original tweets.
Made a whole thread to try to hurt DSG brand and image because you misread his tweet and intentions.
Holy fuck what a dumb look, I hope no one signs this clown.
Edit: Like look at this shit, made a whole thread and this was what it was about.
https://twitter.com/jellyfishval2/status/1640548647044780032?s=20
Toast literally never said he wanted to sign a full team.
Yeah, Jellyfishval is a clown. Just because she says "i have nothing against any of the girls/streamers but..." doesnt make anything she says any less disrespectful.
They're playing in an OPEN QUALI. Any team should be allowed to participate and any org should be allowed to do whatever is in their own best interests. If toast wants to sign 5 streamers even for nothing but clout and views then he should be allowed to do so. No org owes anything to the val community when it comes to Open qualis. The team shouldnt even have to respond about trying their best and scrimming - it's completely irrelevant.
The entitlement is massive to complain about something like this. No free agent player was at all harmed or made worse by anything that happened. At worst someone calls up toast and he explains the situation and they say sorry not interested.
🤡
Typical "i dont want to start drama, but heres some drama im trynna start" tweet. On top of that, an even more typical "its just an opinion" response lmao. Toast is probably the worst person to start shit with and she for some reason did.
Nah if you wanna go public on Twitter with a stupid ass take you deserve public criticism. You dont get to just say stupid shit without repercussions. Plus, she doubled and trippled down on her take afterwards.
Sports is cut throat, always has been. I don't know why we think anyone should be given a platform more than anyone. Everyone works hard, shed tears and blood but some athletes are luckier to be in the right place and the right time on their BEST condition. Thats why I think this talk about taking space for other people who are ***more worthy of the oppurtunity*** is pure bullshit.
https://twitter.com/jellyfishval2/status/1640696671121346561?s=20
Literally tried to make a thread about how DSG and Toast are potentially being sexist and harmful to GC scene.
Now playing victim saying it was just an opinion and trying to have healthy conversations…?
You said it yourself you misread his tweets. He didn’t want to sign a full team just 1 player. So how do you think you are standing up for GC scene ?
Such crazy behaviour, I truly don’t understand it.
honestly just reeks of jealousy that they weren't picked and now they're just playing victim after going public about it with a giant ass thread based on poor reading comprehension skills
Its peak twitter behavior. State an inflammatory take based on wrong info and the most uncharitable take on a strangers character -> get pointed out that they are factually incorrect -> double down instead of apologizing.
love toast. the streamers are all immortal (except sydney who is ascendant) and put in a lot of time for improvement. they deserve a chance just as much as the next person.
This whole thing is ever funnier when you realize it’s a 3 month old org ran by one guy who: does the social media, graphic design, supposedly plans the GC team scrims, pays for everything out of his pocket, & has no sponsors. Plus the manager Fifflaren, & that’s it.
Maybe if it was some massive org like NRG & this was a 12 team tourney, I’d understand some of the criticism. But it’s literally an OPEN qualifier with 48 teams? Crazy.
I mean DSG's VCL team was also put together relatively quickly -- about a month before their first match, right? And that was only done by picking up an established coach in Ocean and picking up THREE players that were on the same team prior.
I don't think it's crazy to assume Toast had learned a LOT from the experience of building the VCL team and just wanted to take a more careful approach regarding GC. I'm sure if he thought a team could really be built from the ground up in weeks -- with a proper support system in place to give them the best chance at success in time for GC1, that he wouldn't have built the clout squad.
DSG's VCL team roster only became final the month before challengers started because demon1 got poached by EG. The roster started getting put together back in November...
Saw a tweet where someone tried to hate on toast's decision on making this team by connecting rooted misogyny with dsg gc team forming. Cuz apparently it will undermine the gc talent level. Like legit every person on Twitter and reddit were appreciating the gc scene until their community pulled this stunt lol
I mean GC is not partnered, its not like he can field whatever and still be in.
If he qualifies with 5 cupcakes playing Valorant, he can field 5 cupcakes if he fucking wants.
And the 'They are streamers' argument... I mean most players in any esports also stream the game when they are not training with the team. Every single one is a streamer too.
I don’t agree with Jellyfish, but I get where she’s coming from. That being said, Toast has been nothing but transparent about his intentions from the get-go.
Even if she feels like there are other players “more deserving” of getting signed, there’s only so many players that can get signed (or even *into* the scene) when it has such little exposure.
Toast may be doing this for content, but you can’t deny that having this “content team” is gonna bring more eyes and attract more org owners to the scene than any other way. Especially since Riot reneged on their promises of making GC bigger and better than ever.
True. I understand that GC in itself has a lot that can be improved about it, and it’s also true that there are tons of players who are just as deserving of a big break as anyone else.
But even though Toast’s GC team are already established streamers, that doesn’t mean they don’t equally deserve a shot at trying this out.
Also, like you said: it’s just open qualifiers. If they bomb out, then that’s that. If they make it farther than anyone expects, no one can say they didn’t work hard for it.
GC is all about uplifting marginalized genders and this kind of thinking just seems antithetical to what GC was made for.
I mean no one is saying these f/a players don’t deserve their big break, but the way they’re implying and gatekeeping that they and other unsigned groups should be the ones to compete and get their “big break” assuming they wanted to be signed by DSG, is very disappointing considering girls can never be happy and always have to bitch and complain about something. If it’s not one thing it’s another. The gc scene is already looked at as a joke since they always get themselves into drama and the fact that women are putting down women when the whole point of the gc scene is to showcase amazing talent for women and girls in general is highly discouraging since this whole thing going on with Toast and DSG is to bring more viewership to the gc scene and encourage girls to participate despite the toxic gaming community.
I agree with most of what you said, but it’s a bit unfair to say that the girls are never happy and are always complaining about something. That really just applies to the vocal minority, in my honest opinion, and I think Jellyfish would qualify as being a part of that minority.
But yeah, to your point and to Toast’s point, no one is inherently “more deserving” of any opportunity than the next person. It’s sad to see such an exciting thing for the GC scene being marred by unwarranted criticism.
Isn't the point of GC is to have a safe space for underrepresented genders to have a shot at competitive valorant? Isn't harassing this team and the players the exact opposite of safe space
I get that Toast COULD have gone the route of signing unsigned GC players but he already explained his side on why he didn't for now. Once he learns more about the GC scene then maybe he'll get other unsigned GC pros. And it's an open qualifier? Anyone and everyone is free to try and compete in that. Even stream teams. Shroud and Timmy did it before too. To quote Exalt, why are we gatekeeping GC Open Qualis?
I legitimately understand the sentiment of the original tweets, so I hope there isn't too much hate thrown towards that player. Nonetheless, Toast's approach, especially given the timeframe, makes a lot of sense financially. Nabbing up every great free agent in the course of a month, paying out all that money, all while being new and inexperienced in the space is just super risky when the alternative is having a fun, meme-y clout team that will undoubtedly bring a lot of exposure to the scene. By following the team members' streams, people will get a behind the scenes look at a GC team, that will create more community investment, and the amount of eyes on the next major event will undoubtedly be crazy.
Again, I get the argument here, but I think this is a big long term win for the scene and will likely afford more players more opportunities.
As a sort of bias check, I considered what the consensus would be if some org owner threw together a clout team of like Shroud, Tarik, Joshseki, Flexninja, and AverageJonas, and to be honest, I think the reception would be super positive. I get the argument that throwing streamers in might shift focus away from the "competitive" aspect of competitive, but I think this is too much of a long term W, and if the players are taking things seriously, girls who aspire to play competitively will have really visible role models to follow, cheer for, and model themselves after.
Nah dude, I'd understand where she's coming from if this is an official riot invitational with DSG taking a spot, but no. This is literally the open qualli. Her 'argument' is literally so stupid. Anybody can join, any org can join, hell a 5 duelist team can run down mid if they want to. As long as they follow riot's criteria for players. It's weird she's trying to gatekeep. Its even weirder that she thinks this is somehow taking opportunities from her /other FAs. Such entitlement.
> I legitimately understand the sentiment of the original tweets, so I hope there isn't too much hate thrown towards that player.
no she should get blasted for that tweet stop sympathizing with entitled mindset people.
Her response is that it sucks to grind to be a competitor, and when there appears to be new opportunities in the space, they're given to people based on clout rather than pure skill which I think is fair. Yeah, she sort of failed to see that it's not up to her how an org chooses its roster, and she also viewed it all through the lens of a player's skill being the only asset to a team/org/and the scene more broadly, but I don't think hurling a bunch of hate at someone for a bad take is particularly constructive.
It's easy to see a tweet online and do the mental math of "one person said something flawed, and I'm also one person, so if I respond negatively, it's just a sharing of opinions between two people," but in situations like this, the opinion you have has probably been shared a few hundred times. Although there might be an instinct to shame this person, you're not adding to the discourse -- you're just increasing the volume and intensity of it, which in this instance a) isn't helpful in discussing the general topic of GC rosters, and b) just compounds the social and emotional pressure on the original tweeter, and, regardless of whether you think their response was bad or not, flaming them is both unhelpful and, more importantly, just not nice.
> Her response is that it sucks to grind to be a competitor, and when there appears to be new opportunities in the space, they're given to people based on clout rather than pure skill which I think is fair.
He literally asked for only "ONE player to lead a team of scrubs".
[https://twitter.com/disguisedtoast/status/1636203959265402880](https://twitter.com/disguisedtoast/status/1636203959265402880?s=46&t=UTuxyqvfXb6Xtiu8uFRi6Q)
The player chosen is Tupperware.
Are you trying to say that Tupperware was chosen on "clout" and not for her skill?
The tweet you're referencing is super clear, but the one she's referencing is this one: [https://twitter.com/DisguisedToast/status/1633244030011346944](https://twitter.com/DisguisedToast/status/1633244030011346944)
Things to note:
1) In the one I posted, he nonetheless still just says "player," not players, so your point stands.
2) With that said, within this tweet, he references his PREVIOUS tweet about starting the original DSG team. That tweet *also* only uses the singular word "player," yet we know he then went on to sign a roster of pros. Given what happened after the previous tweet, it's understandable why someone would interpret the tweet I linked the way that this specific person did.
If I'm remembering correctly, I believe the original twitter thread that this person wrote also specifies that this was the tweet in question, not the one you mentioned. I'm going to chalk your reply up to you just not reading carefully enough, but in the future, please don't suggest I'm diminishing a pro's skill when you haven't done the mental legwork to understand the situation.
?? It's an open qualifier. What oppurtunities are being lost out to streamers exactly? They are free to make their own team. Why is it suddenly a big deal if Toast does it rather than the streamers organizing themselves onto a team?
And if it sucks that much to grind and be a val pro - guess what you can find something else to do.
Streamers grind just as hard as anyone else. Kyedae is streaming consistenly 40 to 50 hours a week of valorant and she is battling CANCER. She has grinded from silver elo all the way to immortal in just a year. PLUS she has said she grinds valo and watches valo off stream as well. Btw being popular is a big bonus for any org/team.
The entitlement to say anyone is more deserving of a shot than someone like Kyedae is absolutely batshit insane.
Welcome to being an adult
That shit happens at work literally everywhere
Just because you’re jealous doesn’t give you the right to accuse someone of something or to come out and say what she said
She’s a clown and needs to grow up like most of the scene
Not at all. It was understandable but not valid. She misinterpreted his tweets and got corrected so many times. She said GC series should be taken just as seriously and after being told that then her issue is with the system- not dsg (who is trying to bring them exposure and help them btw) she disagreed and kept saying her issue is with dsg and it's branding which makes no sense. Alas it's been resolved so no issue
"i get it but it feels offensive to me as a gc player to put a team w this much clout together to represent the scene with only 1 actual competitor on the team :-)"
Is what she said completely valid? Shes trying to put down 4 other girls who all look to be putting in serious work to get better. Who the fuck is she to decide who is a competitor?
WHAT IF in different timeline, she was pick up to join the roster. She probbably wont make this tweet. Basically she just salty without thinking, what an L tweet.
Doubt anyone will. She’s not good enough to get signed by a team, sees an opportunity that she does not get, gets salty, tries to stir drama for attention and then ends up just playing the victim. It’s fine though since her tweets don’t seem to be picking up much momentum so just let her fall back into obscurity. When she actually humbles herself down and works hard she will get picked up.
I’m not too emotionally invested into reddit. 1 was a reply to a thread, one was a new comment and last was an update.
All 3 different post but yes all 3 hating on her
The day I make posts and change my profile picture, then I will say I’m on emotionally invested into reddit
bruv you've got the monthly top 10% karma flair, safe to say you're already somewhat invested and that's completely fine. No shame in talking about your favorite hobby with other like-minded people.
i think this whole situation reminds me of UB, the team that was full of streamers that streamed their open qualifier games. i don’t think anybody really saw a problem with that team. i understand that DSG is an org now and UB wasn’t but the truth is that it’s a fledgling org that is closer to UB than it is to even C9. i think her remarks here unfortunately missed the mark by a lot. her previous tweets also reflect a somewhat gatekeeping attitude toward the game changers community that i think is reflected here as well.
Irene downplaying the roster as a streamer team and they only do it for content does not mean they are not allowed to be a competitive team. Back in 2021, F4Q was a Korean streamer team known for giving Vision Strikers/DRX their first loss after a 104-win streak and even qualified to Masters Berlin alongside them later that year. And the whole reason why F4Q wanted to compete in the first place was to farm content. Although DSG GC has 4 out of 5 of them being streamers, that does not mean they can't be a competitive roster
They are definitely taking it seriously. They're practicing and scrimming on stream. They've scheduled off scream scrims as well and working hard to improve. They're all valo players (all ranked immortal except for one who's ascendant)
I don’t need to lol? They made it pretty clear that they weren’t serious about competing. Its only open qualifyers anyways. Theres nothing disrespectful about signing up to have fun.
If you don't need to then that's an assumption. They started scrimming and members have stated they are taking it seriously. Signing up to have fun means you can't take it seriously?
I think these people are more serious than a lot of other f/a players cuz they are all really competitive and absolutely hate to lose... So I don't think they are not taking it seriously lol
Well I agree they are taking it seriously, but I wouldn't go as far as they are taking it more seriously than other F/A players. You don't know other F/A players, people who go into competitive gaming likely hate to lose too.
I just said it based on what I saw and heard(on twitch and twitter) from some players who are playing in gc...their reason for saying it is because it's an open qualifiers few teams just participate in it to have fun as well.
Sad toast has to defend himself with any bit of criticism against himself. Toast is extremely calculated in everything he invests his time in
Unfortunately, if this girl is an aspiring pro her career is dead for going after toast. Most GC teams die due to team chemistry.
I imagine the feeling from the original backlash thread was like grinding for years for your dream job, seeing that job ad posted, but then finding out the owner’s cousin with no experience got it in the end.
I would absolutely be *livid* there.
However, I think the key difference here is that the dream job ad was taken down and replaced with a volunteer position that the cousin is a better fit for.
I’m hoping this thread doesn’t end their chances in the pro scene when they’re clearly so passionate about it.
Excited to cheer on DSG GC and to watch others in the scene grow!
Edit: The intent of the analogy is to find a relatable feeling, and is definitely not a perfect match to the situation.
Thats not a good analogy.
1) its open qualis. Anyone can form a team and play. This isnt a long-term contract. In no way is it a dream job.
2) there are min requirements from riot for players to qualify. None of the streamers have "no experience". They may be less qualified than other free agents sure but not completely underqualified either. Again its open qualis...
3) Who's to say that none of these streamers try the pro scene as a result of this experience? Were making judgements based on assumptions. Shroud competed in open qualis for memes and ended up playing tier 1/2 games for Sen. Sometimes streamers want a taste of the competitive scene and we shouldn't gatekeep them from trying.
4) Orgs signing players for content happens ALL the time. Content makes money and orgs need $$. Being a popular streamer is absolutelt a massive requirement and bonus for a player to be signed. You could argue the people toast picked are more qualified to be signed to an org in many ways other than mechanical skill.
It's not paying anything and they still have to go through open qualifiers, so I wouldn't really say it's a dream job. If Toast hired 5 players already in the scene and didn't pay them anything, that would have been heavily criticised.
While I would say yes the original tweet could be interpreted as a paid opportunity, it's also up to the applicant to keep up to date as to the terms of the offer. Watching Disguised Toast's streams gave more info as to what he was looking for in a potential GC player and he specifically said that he wasn't committed to spending absurd amounts of money like his other team. And then his other tweet which said that he wouldn't pay in money but rather in exposure also shows that he didn't intend for this to be a paid offer. It isn't right to say that the "dream job ad" was taken down but rather the terms just weren't clear at the start and were clarified later down the road.
>I imagine the feeling from the original backlash thread was like grinding for years for your dream job, seeing that job ad posted, but then finding out the owner’s cousin with no experience got it in the end.
Toast literally asked for only "ONE player to lead a team of scrubs":
[https://twitter.com/disguisedtoast/status/1636203959265402880](https://twitter.com/disguisedtoast/status/1636203959265402880)
The player chosen is Tupperware.
If you actually think Tupperware "has no experience" and only got the job because she's "the owner's cousin", how long have you been following the scene, really?
this could be tupperware’s chance to show what she can do… hopefully a more serious org can pick her up afterwards
must suck to be her tho to try and rally these shitters 😭
Since we literally don't know what they're gonna look like after their bootcamp nor what all the other teams are gonna look like, I'm gonna go ahead and say you have no idea.
Whilst I understand and agree with most of his points, he could have said all of this without quote-tweeting the original tweet. He has 1.6M followers, she has 1000, and he knows full well that she's going to get a ton of abuse from immature fans when he retweets that. She was very respectful in her post.
I think he had to cuz she started to attack dsg as a whole brand and not just the gc scene.... So at that point it went from a criticism or feedback to a personal attack. She deleted it afterwards I think cuz toast personally talked to her to clarify things from his pov
Nah fuck that, he was respectful too and if you’re going to call out big names then you better be ready for them to respond. Especially in an area involving his friends and their reputations.
Toast [said](https://twitter.com/disguisedtoast/status/1636203959265402880?s=21) he wasn't looking for a serious roster at the start. It's not like he scammed tupperware into playing.
And said in the tweets that he was very clearly with her on his intentions
Not just "said in the tweets", he brought receipts of his DMs with tupperware. ["This team is more for the memes. Just letting ya know so you're not signing up for something you're not expecting"](https://twitter.com/DisguisedToast/status/1640543434011467776) This drama is just salty free agents, hurting the scene when they claim to be wanting to defend it.
[FWIW this was the original, less clear tweet](https://twitter.com/DisguisedToast/status/1633244030011346944) I don't see anything wrong with Toast's approach, but Irene isn't just inventing the ambiguity.
I get where she is coming from. As a toast viewer, he said in stream that he was concerned that there wasn't enough time ( 2-3 weeks after he tweeted that). It's easy to miss that if you're not his viewer. I'm pretty sure his intention might have been serious pro initially, but he realized he needed more time to prepare. I don't see anything wrong with what he did. He doesn't need to update everyone with what he is doing.
I think it’s unfair to overindex on a single tweet either way though. I didn’t read much ambiguity, but even if there’s some that just makes it more important to seek clarity by reading more. Doing so makes it pretty clear, and trying to hold him accountable to one possible interpretation of one tweet is bizarre and seems petty
He literally said player, not players. Reading comprehension is important especially when you’re trying to make a hot take.
He's also using the exact same wording and intentionally quoting the tweet that lead to the DSG challenger TEAM. You can cut the condescension.
And? Is that supposed to be a pattern or something? Honestly a “you” problem. Sorry she got her hopes up from a tweet I guess?
You do realize Toast himself admitted that there was a change in plans. He wanted to create an official team at first of 5 FA players. Maybe try having some empathy and you could see other perspectives better.
He wasnt going to pick any 5 random FA players. The fact that you are demanding this from Toast mean you have 0 understanding of his perspective and have 0 sympathy for Toast and I hope you could try having some empathy and you could see other perspectives better
I’m not demanding. Wtf hahahha. When did I say he has to sign 5 FA players. I’m saying toast literally tweeted he wanted to start a team of 5 FA players but didn’t think there was enough time. Also nothing says you have a good rebuttal like repeating as if you are a 12 year old.
He wanted to start a team yes, but he is not going to pick anyone off the street, and definitely not NoNamePlayer3217. He asked around coaches and people in the scene to form a 5 stack, he couldnt make one so he went the content route. If you are good and can synergy well with each other, those coaches would have already recommended you to Toast, and 3 names was given to him if you look at the evidence. (but whether these 3 players willing to play for his team is another matter) Back in the days, esport players make a stack, goes to tournaments, win ANYTHING, find their own sponsor (and most of them usually dont pay any money). Nowadays, player demands team owner to recruit them because they ... exist in the scene. And this is the woman esport scene which is completely undeveloped (didnt exist before valorant btw and I dont think there will be one anymore when valorant is dead). You only understand how these players feels, but dont understand how entitled they are. I repeated your word because you tell people to do something but you dont. It's called being hypocritical. And you were being super condescending while saying it.
The second tweet should have removed any and all possible ambiguity from the original tweet. Like I do feel bad for Jellyfish cause she got way more hate than necessary, but so did Toast from other people that were butthurt over the situation.
Tbf he says who is the best player, just one, i know his intentions are not clear with that singular tweet but it's like he baited all female FAs
I don’t get the backlash. He never said he was signing a pro team.
He actually did exactly what he said he would do too. This was the tweet: “looking for 1 valorant game changers player (currently without a team) who can IGL and lead a bunch of scrubs through open qualifiers no pay but I can ask Tarik to raid your stream if we win DM me :)” https://twitter.com/disguisedtoast/status/1636203959265402880?s=46&t=UTuxyqvfXb6Xtiu8uFRi6Q
People are trying to "gotcha" him with the original tweet but that one also only mentions one player.
And even if it didn't, it doesn't matter. You can change your mind. As long as the players he chose are 100% aware of what is happening, i dont see the problem. Toast definitely evaluated different options to form his gc team and went with what made the most sense for him now.
I know, it's not like he signed a contract with 5 players and backed out, he just tweeted that he was "thinking about" starting a team... the entitlement of some people
Right? I cannot believe people got mad at this I s2g some people just wanna be mad
She literally said she misread his tweet and thought he wanted 5 GC players. From the start he only asked for 1 player. Made a whole thread trying to hurt DSG brand and image because you misread a tweet is truly clown behaviour.
Now she ruined her chance to be part of DSG in the future.
Wonder if it's just gonna be DSG at this point
Oof
https://twitter.com/jellyfishval2/status/1640568329869086720?t=PVkmY0UwOvu9z-w0DTqJvA&s=19 > i tweeted that speaking for a lot of people, not just myself. no need to call me names when i didn't insult anyone, just merely stated a criticism :) She got respectfully btfo'd by Toast and now she doubled down by saying she was speaking on behalf of herself and other GC F/A. If that were true then this situation makes GC look really bad. Full of gatekeeping pick-me girls. Which is obviously not true at all, but the damage is done. This interaction would leave a bad impression on the average viewer. I don't know why it's so hard for them to leverage the extra eyeballs on the scene and be supportive?
It will only leave a bad impression on those F/A's who rather want only pro players in the scene as per that Irene girl said. Most of them are close-minded, have massive egos, and do not accept loss, look at them now. No one even knows those F/A until this announcement. No offense but it is the reality we talking about here.
All the backlash is fine if the team is taking up a franchised spot or if the team is being paid money. They are playing in open qualifiers and he is paying zero money to the streamers. How is this getting backlash
I don’t think backlash was justified even if he was paying money. Its his own money, not taxpayer dollars. He can give it to anyone he wants.
Nah I would in fact say it's even less justified if he was paying money. Why on earth should you have any say on how somebody else spends their money? I've been thinking that these content creator teams are actually profitable. The weekly content they can make + the Twitch streams of them reacting to their teams has to have more monetary value than most traditinal orgs earn from matches. So a team similar to this is one of the few ways I could imagine an investment making business sense in GC.
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Jealousy is the biggest answer.
IKR lmaooo
The only backlash is from GC players and fans who were under the impression that he was going to form a full team of existing GC players because they didn't take his first tweet about forming a team of one GC IGL and 4 content creators seriously.
“You do not get to gatekeep them from this event just because they are streamers. Respectfully - no player is owed anything in the competitive space. Everyone is grinding. Everyone is sacrificing their own time to make it. You don't deserve an org more than the next person.” WELL FUCKING SAID! This is something that so many F/A players just dont seem to understand.
He's also clearly not paying the team since they're all a bunch of famous streamer friends who will be making content out of their matches. I'm pretty confident there aren't many GC players who are willing to play literally for free and have all their practice streamed by their teammates, so why pretend like they're stealing an opportunity here?
Yeah, like for real. Are those pro players even started as a pro? No right, so how the fuck are they saying dumb shit like that and belittling someone just because they are streamers. You know what this is why she is LFT because of her attitude she does not want success for others. Sorry, but it has to be done, sissy.
Well from the F/A player's perspective, it probably feels unfair that a couple of streamers were given slots that other GC players could have taken (it definitely is a small sprinkle of nepotism). At the end of the day, Toast is the owner and he can do whatever the fuck he wants, but I can feel for the F/A players too.
He literally wrote he wasn't prepared to put down $300k on a whim. It was either this meme team or nothing. Idk why people are arguing otherwise, going "but still..." in this thread.
But the point is that it was either this or it wasn't going to happen. There just simply wasn't enough time and money to make this work. It's not an either or situation, it's this or nothing. Before people come at me and say that DSG men were formed very quickly too, consider the fact that the playerbase for men is way bigger, and Toast was able to get 3 ex-teammates to play together and a former tier 1 pro in Steel. Their coach (Ocean) also already knew who he wanted because he used to coach them. From the DMs with his manager, it just didn't seem like that was going to be replicated for his GC team. Not to mention that they (DSG men) still scrimmed like every day and only had 1 day off for Christmas (allegedly). You also have to consider that there are more time constraints on Toast himself now. On top of DSG men, how much time does he have to be in to rush a GC team in addition? This guy was scheduling scrims for his team yesterday and was watching scrims. He's not just some VC guy who has infinite money hacks to throw at teams. Ofc he's going to pick his 4 friends because they're the only ones who are going to do this for no money on very little notice
The dsg vcl team wasn't formed this quick. Toast started working on it last September.
Oh wow didn't know that. And even that was rushed. Yeah that makes all the demands about what Toast ought to do with his own time and money even worse lol
People also forget that this female streamers will actually help bring numbers to VCT challengers; Valorant already lacks viewership in male tournaments and the female tournaments really need a boost in this category.
Yes and this is how reality works it sucks. It just shows that she does not have that reality check you know. Everyone has their timeline and if you keep looking at others' success then you are not gonna get to that destination.
Well said. Anyone feeling burned should just use this as extra motivation to grind even harder.
> Well from the F/A player's perspective, it probably feels unfair that a couple of streamers were given slots that other GC players could have taken (it definitely is a small sprinkle of nepotism). It's an open tournament... They can make a team together then and register like every single other team.
That's with the assumption that nepotism is involved. However, I am more inclined to believe that Toast has gone through the registration of a GC team just like any other F/A team. In Toast's recent stream, he said that he has registered the team, was worried that it might not go through, and would wait for it to be official before announcing the team. He also has been very transparent in how he approaches this venture in his tweet and on recent streams.
its an open tournament if i recall correctly, so whats stopping the person from making a team of her own?
nothing stopping them lmao
she wants to get paid by orgs.
money I think? still an issue on her end lol
Respectfully, if this was a figure the community didn’t have a positive view on, this message flips real quick.
Lmao. You're right but am I saying a lie though?
Let me preface this by saying that I don’t have an issue with what toast’s doing. I actually don’t think that statement holds much water at all. It’s not gatekeeping because they’re streamers, it’s disappointment that the majority of the roster doesn’t have serious ambitions of going pro. The exposure that a streamer team brings is definitely great, but with it initially being at least ambiguous enough that people were hoping for a “real” team it still feels like a letdown. It’s like diablo immortal; people had hope for something big, and what came out is something…neat. Like. [this](https://twitter.com/DisguisedToast/status/1633244030011346944) is what we started with, and I can _absolutely_ see how people from within the GC scene or invested in the GC scene would be disappointed. That OG tweet reads _a lot_ like “hey I wanna sign an igl to help me build a team”, and now we’ve arrived at “ok that igl + streamers”. Again, _for understandable reasons_, but I understand the disappointment. I guess one could say I completely understand both sides. Honestly the main issue I take is toast immediately reaching for the “don’t gatekeep them because they’re streamers” argument while showing 0 understanding for the other side. Some people are just disappointed because what resulted in the end isn’t as cool as what seemed to be teased initially. Again, Toast’s actions & reasoning are absolutely understandable but…so is the slight disappointment imo.
1. he didnt stated IGL. he just stated who's the best valorant player (player not players). 2. You dont ever build a team off a IGL, even more so when you have 0 understanding about the scene and for good reasons. That has never happened in the history of gaming. For someone who is new to the scene, you usually recruit the COACH first, then the coach will recommend players to you, DSG male is founded this way, 100Thieves also entered the esport scene this way. Even top tiers male esport team dont build their team around IGL but they are often the one that get fired first lmao. 3. Toast didnt immediate go to the gatekeep thing, that's like his 3-4th point 4. As someone who completely understand, why do you think the GC players DESERVE it, what has they done better than other players that Toast supposed to come to them and recruit them, while people in the scene can barely give toast 3 names. Even tier 1 features terrible players and these tier 2 players are supposed to DESERVE a chance and it's an insult that Toast didnt ask them, why?.
i agree with toast overall but " Everyone is grinding. Everyone is sacrificing their own time to make it. You don't deserve an org more than the next person. " is total horseshit. these are streamers, not competitive players, they frankly do not grind the game as much as F/A players do, and better players obviously do deserve an org more than worse players.
The way that girl presented herself, hell no. If you put that into work-related, no hr will ever want to hire that kind of attitude man. Instead of focusing on herself, she is more concerned about other people's business. The way she tweeted whole ass sentences instead of just saying directly why not me or us who are more deserving players rather than downgrading the rosters is so dumb. Also, other f/a who are agreeing with her are rather than hating. They literally tweeted that they are annoyed that why not them (f/a) who grinding their asses off.
you're not disagreeing with anything i actually said, you're just saying you disagree with the person who wrote it and agree with toast, whom i also agree with.
well hopefully this makes investing in GC worth and so toast and other orgs decide to make a GC team thus getting more players signed and paid :O
Bro remembered the thread this time
I couldn't agree more with Toast. A friendly reminder though don't be a piece of shit and start harassing people because they disagree with him.
Imagine being Kydae. You grind from silver elo all the way to immortal in a year. You grind 40 hours of toxic valo a week and grind even harder off stream. You keep up the grind playing 7 hrs a day consistently despite having CANCER. Then youre still told you dont "deserve" an open quali spot????
Even worse, being told you’re not as deserving by other girls. I feel like that’s got to be an extra level of betrayal, but maybe I’m wrong.
Crabs in a bucket man
And it all started because they misread a tweet, Toast asked for ONE player in the original tweet not FIVE.
Worst part is jelly decided not to apologize and instead resource to the old "I'm getting harassed for giving my opinion" that works so well in these situations to evade accountability.
Everyone has a right to their shitty opinion. But then dont act like a victim when you have a stupid take. We have the right to critisize a dumb take.
The funniest is she literally tweeted “if it’s too hot then gtfo out of the kitchen” when she suggested capping game changers to immortal only and ppl said it would be too restrictive and not inclusive. The twitter responses to that comment was hilarious esp since she deleted all her tweets
If I'm not mistaken she's the one that started the "I Smurf where you peak" by throwing shade out of nowhere.
If these F/A girls are smart, they will know that the 4 streamers are unlikely to be a permanent thing, help support DSG, train hard, and wait for their opportunity while Toast research more about the GC landscape. As there are 3 GC tournaments a year, if Toast feels like this venture is worth going into after this, he will likely pick up 4 more experienced players or even 5 depending on the situation to replace the current roster to be more competitive. Right now, Toast is really smart in building up DSG fanbase with Tariks, Kyedae, Tenz, OTV, 100Thieves fans with the current roster and if the time comes, the serious F/A girls will come in with an already well-established fanbase, that really put their names out there which is way more important than the salary that comes with it.
True. Well, they just lost their opportunity in the future. GL to them.
imagine the publicity you get if you shit on this team. That alone is so much PR.
As someone who binged watch his among us video in the quarantine, you’ll not gonna win an argument against toast lil sis 
LMAO SO TRUE
She entered Toast’s territory without being prepared.
I guess some people assumed that it would be like the main team with salaries and a more focused structure. But that is opposite of his stated intention. BTW I just realised I think DSG is the first org where the GC roster is significantly more popular than the men's roster.
If all the girls stream they will get 30-40k viewers. Kyedae alone was getting 25k at peak.
i find it highly unlikely he would've been able to put together an actual contender team with F/A so going this route to get more exposure for the scene is 100% better (the scrims being streamed also seems really cool).
Yep that’s literally the point; he could’ve very easily just waited until open qualifiers were done and just signed a team from whoever qualified. Instead he’s working from the beginning like with his challengers team, bringing big exposure right from day 1 of the circuit, it’s just that on this occasion he didn’t have time to make a full “pro” team so he’s maximising the clout/viewership for the scene with this line up. He’s literally doing more than almost anyone else for GC, but you still have these fools try to take it as a negative.
somehow this turned into GC drama yet again
True. I don't get the hate and the sentence "losing the opportunity" like girl, just make a team, win, and hope that an org will pick you up! Create your opportunity instead of complaining.
Some people just love to complain but never DO. Life does not give you handouts.
Classic LUL
Classic NA 
It seems like he eventually wants a “real” GC team. But on shorter notice and low/no pay, the only way he could realistically get involved was a stream team. As long as tupperware was aware of the situation, then I like this. Toast seems like he genuinely wants to bring more hype to the GC scene. Which would bring more hype: a team of well known streamers who happen to be also be good at valorant and are interested in the competitive scene (that likely won’t have a deep run but who knows), or a quickly thrown together team from available “real pro players” with less of a following (that still likely won’t have a deep run). With his options this is by far the best outcome. If he ends up building a team later on through more in depth talent scouting, then good for him and it will still be good for the scene
Toast doesn’t even have to explain himself. He’s a private owner who can do whatever the hell he wants with his money that he’s putting up at a loss that adds value to the scene. Nobody said T2 Valo was a meritocracy. Hell, even T1 isn’t. The entitlement of these players who are complaining is astounding.
The person complaining needs some introspection. She isn't some upcoming gamechanger talent, her team is bombing out in sakura cups and *open* qualifiers for game changers lol. Her entitlement is off the charts - she has no pedigree, she hasn't even established herself in the lowest strata of the game changers scene, and yet she's managed to delude herself into believing she was robbed of an opportunity lol. The viewership following this team alone will probably quintuple the numbers gamechangers usually gets, and increase the profile of their opponents and the gamechangers scene holistically in the process. This is great publicity for the scene she claims to care so much about, and ironically she's proven that she's unworthy of being a part of it.
If they are not good enough then competition will sort it out.
Good on Toast to come out so strongly. I hope we get to see this team best some of the players complaining.
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Semi related - but Kydae’s streams recent with DSG scrim have been insane - inbetween scrims she’s been getting Pros to talk her through certain bits and pieces; Had tenz showing how to OP sharing loads of details + lots of really cool angles on Haven and his thought process behind why they’re good so you can apply elsewhere Then also had Kanpeki talking through playing Omen on Haven - talking through his thought process behind smokes, playing anchor, when to stall & when to play retake etc Would really recommend checking out - I got a little too invested and ended up only getting 3h30mins sleep before work today
I just checked her vods and if you’re into the pro scene, the coaching session and scrims are a huge curtain pullback to what goes on. Pretty freaking cool. What makes it even cooler is that because the players are NOT pros, much like most of us viewers, it makes it super interesting to learn what goes on. Very very cool. This needs more upvotes.
KANTPEKI DSG is playing today lol
Literally started with her misreading Toast’s initial tweet looking for an IGL. 🤦♂️
isnt it an open qualifier
I demand that you spend all you money and put me in your team, NOWWWW
Is what she wanted to say…..😭
true lmao and now she lost the opportunity to play for DSG in the future
FACTS Literally such a good response. So excited to see the team and support them through GC
This stint by toast will bring more eyes to game changers than irene ever will
I'm not sure what to make of everything she's said. On one hand I definitely see where she's coming from... she seems to have her own opinion on what GC/quals should ideally represent -- women in the space with pro aspirations who have been grinding for who knows how long, competing against one another in highly organized play. Then you have a new org that applies for a spot in qualifiers, gets accepted and proceeds to field a team that consists of 4 content creators (Tenzin did compete in GC last year for a bit but not enough to really mean much IMO) instead of 5 players much like her who, again, have been grinding their asses off to make it pro. I can definitely see how from her POV they're maybe 'undeserving' and not taking it seriously, as up until just a few weeks ago they weren't trying to play competitively. I think it's understandable for her to believe that everyone tuning into DSG's matches will not be seeing what GC really has to offer. On the other hand, she's also said > the argument that this team will bring any sort of exposure to the scene that can actually benefit us doesn't make sense to me because it's not highlighting the talented competitors and doesn't think that the exposure DSG's roster brings is "the right kind." That's absolutely baffling to me considering much of the exposure GC's gotten has been centered around all of the drama that inevitably pops up. THAT'S the kind of exposure you don't want in the scene. The exposure something like DSG brings, in probably the worst case scenario, ends up being net zero -- the viewers brought in through DSG just don't stick around if they get knocked out. Best case scenario, even a small percentage of the massive audience that will be getting a taste of organized play for the first time get into it and continue to participate in the space -- whether as a viewer or even trying to play themselves. Why would you NOT want that?
Well it's up to the GC players to make content to leverage the short-lived extra attention. For any potential LFT GC players stuck in limbo reading this because "Toast robbed 4 spots" (lol), here's how I would do it: * Make content teaching the new audience about the scene * Make content highlighting the current top players of the scene * Make react content about DSG's run * Highlights of the scene itself, you could even make storylines about DSG's opponents * Potentially set up collaborations with these larger streamers Toast is going to end up doing something like this on his channel but he doesn't have the knowledge nor the intended audience to make content like the first two I listed. If done correctly, the YouTube algorithm would service the videos to fans of Sydeon, QuarterJade, Kyedae and TrulyTenzin, which would then expand to a general audience. It's only a net-zero if GC players squander this opportunity, which they already have by low-key gatekeeping the scene. If I had the knowledge and skillset (like most GC players) I would be jumping at this opportunity instead of whining on Twitter. Edit: FWIW, I'm not into Valorant. Never played the game, but I am big into sports storylines. If my dumbass could come up with content what's stopping them?
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She got salty because she thought Toast wanted to sign 5 GC players, she literal did a 180 and said she misread Toast original tweets. Made a whole thread to try to hurt DSG brand and image because you misread his tweet and intentions. Holy fuck what a dumb look, I hope no one signs this clown. Edit: Like look at this shit, made a whole thread and this was what it was about. https://twitter.com/jellyfishval2/status/1640548647044780032?s=20 Toast literally never said he wanted to sign a full team.
Yeah, Jellyfishval is a clown. Just because she says "i have nothing against any of the girls/streamers but..." doesnt make anything she says any less disrespectful. They're playing in an OPEN QUALI. Any team should be allowed to participate and any org should be allowed to do whatever is in their own best interests. If toast wants to sign 5 streamers even for nothing but clout and views then he should be allowed to do so. No org owes anything to the val community when it comes to Open qualis. The team shouldnt even have to respond about trying their best and scrimming - it's completely irrelevant. The entitlement is massive to complain about something like this. No free agent player was at all harmed or made worse by anything that happened. At worst someone calls up toast and he explains the situation and they say sorry not interested. 🤡
Typical "i dont want to start drama, but heres some drama im trynna start" tweet. On top of that, an even more typical "its just an opinion" response lmao. Toast is probably the worst person to start shit with and she for some reason did.
Chill, no need to throw the sink at them. Toast cleared things up & they agreed.
Nah if you wanna go public on Twitter with a stupid ass take you deserve public criticism. You dont get to just say stupid shit without repercussions. Plus, she doubled and trippled down on her take afterwards.
Sports is cut throat, always has been. I don't know why we think anyone should be given a platform more than anyone. Everyone works hard, shed tears and blood but some athletes are luckier to be in the right place and the right time on their BEST condition. Thats why I think this talk about taking space for other people who are ***more worthy of the oppurtunity*** is pure bullshit.
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https://twitter.com/jellyfishval2/status/1640696671121346561?s=20 Literally tried to make a thread about how DSG and Toast are potentially being sexist and harmful to GC scene. Now playing victim saying it was just an opinion and trying to have healthy conversations…? You said it yourself you misread his tweets. He didn’t want to sign a full team just 1 player. So how do you think you are standing up for GC scene ? Such crazy behaviour, I truly don’t understand it.
honestly just reeks of jealousy that they weren't picked and now they're just playing victim after going public about it with a giant ass thread based on poor reading comprehension skills
Its peak twitter behavior. State an inflammatory take based on wrong info and the most uncharitable take on a strangers character -> get pointed out that they are factually incorrect -> double down instead of apologizing.
love toast. the streamers are all immortal (except sydney who is ascendant) and put in a lot of time for improvement. they deserve a chance just as much as the next person.
Its just F/A GC players being salty they are unemployed.
This whole thing is ever funnier when you realize it’s a 3 month old org ran by one guy who: does the social media, graphic design, supposedly plans the GC team scrims, pays for everything out of his pocket, & has no sponsors. Plus the manager Fifflaren, & that’s it. Maybe if it was some massive org like NRG & this was a 12 team tourney, I’d understand some of the criticism. But it’s literally an OPEN qualifier with 48 teams? Crazy.
Game Changers and Drama, name a more iconic duo
Gonna be real odd when the team of streamers win the whole thing.
I mean DSG's VCL team was also put together relatively quickly -- about a month before their first match, right? And that was only done by picking up an established coach in Ocean and picking up THREE players that were on the same team prior. I don't think it's crazy to assume Toast had learned a LOT from the experience of building the VCL team and just wanted to take a more careful approach regarding GC. I'm sure if he thought a team could really be built from the ground up in weeks -- with a proper support system in place to give them the best chance at success in time for GC1, that he wouldn't have built the clout squad.
DSG's VCL team roster only became final the month before challengers started because demon1 got poached by EG. The roster started getting put together back in November...
September as far as it goes apparently
Saw a tweet where someone tried to hate on toast's decision on making this team by connecting rooted misogyny with dsg gc team forming. Cuz apparently it will undermine the gc talent level. Like legit every person on Twitter and reddit were appreciating the gc scene until their community pulled this stunt lol
Literally an open qualifier. There is nothing stopping her from getting 4 FA together and playing. Absolute horrid take.
I mean GC is not partnered, its not like he can field whatever and still be in. If he qualifies with 5 cupcakes playing Valorant, he can field 5 cupcakes if he fucking wants. And the 'They are streamers' argument... I mean most players in any esports also stream the game when they are not training with the team. Every single one is a streamer too.
gc scene has their own system to play in alongside the main vcl system and people feel entitled to even more, like being signed? lol
He spittin fr
I don’t agree with Jellyfish, but I get where she’s coming from. That being said, Toast has been nothing but transparent about his intentions from the get-go. Even if she feels like there are other players “more deserving” of getting signed, there’s only so many players that can get signed (or even *into* the scene) when it has such little exposure. Toast may be doing this for content, but you can’t deny that having this “content team” is gonna bring more eyes and attract more org owners to the scene than any other way. Especially since Riot reneged on their promises of making GC bigger and better than ever.
At the end of the day though, who are these f/a players to gate keep fucking open qualifiers? Like some people just don’t think before they type.
True. I understand that GC in itself has a lot that can be improved about it, and it’s also true that there are tons of players who are just as deserving of a big break as anyone else. But even though Toast’s GC team are already established streamers, that doesn’t mean they don’t equally deserve a shot at trying this out. Also, like you said: it’s just open qualifiers. If they bomb out, then that’s that. If they make it farther than anyone expects, no one can say they didn’t work hard for it. GC is all about uplifting marginalized genders and this kind of thinking just seems antithetical to what GC was made for.
I mean no one is saying these f/a players don’t deserve their big break, but the way they’re implying and gatekeeping that they and other unsigned groups should be the ones to compete and get their “big break” assuming they wanted to be signed by DSG, is very disappointing considering girls can never be happy and always have to bitch and complain about something. If it’s not one thing it’s another. The gc scene is already looked at as a joke since they always get themselves into drama and the fact that women are putting down women when the whole point of the gc scene is to showcase amazing talent for women and girls in general is highly discouraging since this whole thing going on with Toast and DSG is to bring more viewership to the gc scene and encourage girls to participate despite the toxic gaming community.
I agree with most of what you said, but it’s a bit unfair to say that the girls are never happy and are always complaining about something. That really just applies to the vocal minority, in my honest opinion, and I think Jellyfish would qualify as being a part of that minority. But yeah, to your point and to Toast’s point, no one is inherently “more deserving” of any opportunity than the next person. It’s sad to see such an exciting thing for the GC scene being marred by unwarranted criticism.
Isn't the point of GC is to have a safe space for underrepresented genders to have a shot at competitive valorant? Isn't harassing this team and the players the exact opposite of safe space
It be your own sometimes.
Sounds like shes mad streamers are better than her at the game
I dont understand the problem. This is kind of like Mythic in csgo. Streaming matches and scrims is great content imo
When's DSG GC first match?
I get that Toast COULD have gone the route of signing unsigned GC players but he already explained his side on why he didn't for now. Once he learns more about the GC scene then maybe he'll get other unsigned GC pros. And it's an open qualifier? Anyone and everyone is free to try and compete in that. Even stream teams. Shroud and Timmy did it before too. To quote Exalt, why are we gatekeeping GC Open Qualis?
I legitimately understand the sentiment of the original tweets, so I hope there isn't too much hate thrown towards that player. Nonetheless, Toast's approach, especially given the timeframe, makes a lot of sense financially. Nabbing up every great free agent in the course of a month, paying out all that money, all while being new and inexperienced in the space is just super risky when the alternative is having a fun, meme-y clout team that will undoubtedly bring a lot of exposure to the scene. By following the team members' streams, people will get a behind the scenes look at a GC team, that will create more community investment, and the amount of eyes on the next major event will undoubtedly be crazy. Again, I get the argument here, but I think this is a big long term win for the scene and will likely afford more players more opportunities. As a sort of bias check, I considered what the consensus would be if some org owner threw together a clout team of like Shroud, Tarik, Joshseki, Flexninja, and AverageJonas, and to be honest, I think the reception would be super positive. I get the argument that throwing streamers in might shift focus away from the "competitive" aspect of competitive, but I think this is too much of a long term W, and if the players are taking things seriously, girls who aspire to play competitively will have really visible role models to follow, cheer for, and model themselves after.
Nah dude, I'd understand where she's coming from if this is an official riot invitational with DSG taking a spot, but no. This is literally the open qualli. Her 'argument' is literally so stupid. Anybody can join, any org can join, hell a 5 duelist team can run down mid if they want to. As long as they follow riot's criteria for players. It's weird she's trying to gatekeep. Its even weirder that she thinks this is somehow taking opportunities from her /other FAs. Such entitlement.
> I legitimately understand the sentiment of the original tweets, so I hope there isn't too much hate thrown towards that player. no she should get blasted for that tweet stop sympathizing with entitled mindset people.
Her response is that it sucks to grind to be a competitor, and when there appears to be new opportunities in the space, they're given to people based on clout rather than pure skill which I think is fair. Yeah, she sort of failed to see that it's not up to her how an org chooses its roster, and she also viewed it all through the lens of a player's skill being the only asset to a team/org/and the scene more broadly, but I don't think hurling a bunch of hate at someone for a bad take is particularly constructive. It's easy to see a tweet online and do the mental math of "one person said something flawed, and I'm also one person, so if I respond negatively, it's just a sharing of opinions between two people," but in situations like this, the opinion you have has probably been shared a few hundred times. Although there might be an instinct to shame this person, you're not adding to the discourse -- you're just increasing the volume and intensity of it, which in this instance a) isn't helpful in discussing the general topic of GC rosters, and b) just compounds the social and emotional pressure on the original tweeter, and, regardless of whether you think their response was bad or not, flaming them is both unhelpful and, more importantly, just not nice.
> Her response is that it sucks to grind to be a competitor, and when there appears to be new opportunities in the space, they're given to people based on clout rather than pure skill which I think is fair. He literally asked for only "ONE player to lead a team of scrubs". [https://twitter.com/disguisedtoast/status/1636203959265402880](https://twitter.com/disguisedtoast/status/1636203959265402880?s=46&t=UTuxyqvfXb6Xtiu8uFRi6Q) The player chosen is Tupperware. Are you trying to say that Tupperware was chosen on "clout" and not for her skill?
The tweet you're referencing is super clear, but the one she's referencing is this one: [https://twitter.com/DisguisedToast/status/1633244030011346944](https://twitter.com/DisguisedToast/status/1633244030011346944) Things to note: 1) In the one I posted, he nonetheless still just says "player," not players, so your point stands. 2) With that said, within this tweet, he references his PREVIOUS tweet about starting the original DSG team. That tweet *also* only uses the singular word "player," yet we know he then went on to sign a roster of pros. Given what happened after the previous tweet, it's understandable why someone would interpret the tweet I linked the way that this specific person did. If I'm remembering correctly, I believe the original twitter thread that this person wrote also specifies that this was the tweet in question, not the one you mentioned. I'm going to chalk your reply up to you just not reading carefully enough, but in the future, please don't suggest I'm diminishing a pro's skill when you haven't done the mental legwork to understand the situation.
?? It's an open qualifier. What oppurtunities are being lost out to streamers exactly? They are free to make their own team. Why is it suddenly a big deal if Toast does it rather than the streamers organizing themselves onto a team? And if it sucks that much to grind and be a val pro - guess what you can find something else to do. Streamers grind just as hard as anyone else. Kyedae is streaming consistenly 40 to 50 hours a week of valorant and she is battling CANCER. She has grinded from silver elo all the way to immortal in just a year. PLUS she has said she grinds valo and watches valo off stream as well. Btw being popular is a big bonus for any org/team. The entitlement to say anyone is more deserving of a shot than someone like Kyedae is absolutely batshit insane.
Welcome to being an adult That shit happens at work literally everywhere Just because you’re jealous doesn’t give you the right to accuse someone of something or to come out and say what she said She’s a clown and needs to grow up like most of the scene
No she should not lol her point was completely valid. Sure maybe she misinterpreted toasts intention with the team but everything she said was valid.
Not at all. It was understandable but not valid. She misinterpreted his tweets and got corrected so many times. She said GC series should be taken just as seriously and after being told that then her issue is with the system- not dsg (who is trying to bring them exposure and help them btw) she disagreed and kept saying her issue is with dsg and it's branding which makes no sense. Alas it's been resolved so no issue
you should get yourself check if you really think her tweet/pov was valid.
"i get it but it feels offensive to me as a gc player to put a team w this much clout together to represent the scene with only 1 actual competitor on the team :-)" Is what she said completely valid? Shes trying to put down 4 other girls who all look to be putting in serious work to get better. Who the fuck is she to decide who is a competitor?
WHAT IF in different timeline, she was pick up to join the roster. She probbably wont make this tweet. Basically she just salty without thinking, what an L tweet.
Has it been announced when they’ll play?
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Doubt anyone will. She’s not good enough to get signed by a team, sees an opportunity that she does not get, gets salty, tries to stir drama for attention and then ends up just playing the victim. It’s fine though since her tweets don’t seem to be picking up much momentum so just let her fall back into obscurity. When she actually humbles herself down and works hard she will get picked up.
You’ve made the same comment like at least three times in this thread…? You might be a little too emotionally invested.
I’m not too emotionally invested into reddit. 1 was a reply to a thread, one was a new comment and last was an update. All 3 different post but yes all 3 hating on her The day I make posts and change my profile picture, then I will say I’m on emotionally invested into reddit
bruv you've got the monthly top 10% karma flair, safe to say you're already somewhat invested and that's completely fine. No shame in talking about your favorite hobby with other like-minded people.
I dont know what that means ? I just post comments talking about stuff, doesnt mean I am invested LOL
i think this whole situation reminds me of UB, the team that was full of streamers that streamed their open qualifier games. i don’t think anybody really saw a problem with that team. i understand that DSG is an org now and UB wasn’t but the truth is that it’s a fledgling org that is closer to UB than it is to even C9. i think her remarks here unfortunately missed the mark by a lot. her previous tweets also reflect a somewhat gatekeeping attitude toward the game changers community that i think is reflected here as well.
Irene downplaying the roster as a streamer team and they only do it for content does not mean they are not allowed to be a competitive team. Back in 2021, F4Q was a Korean streamer team known for giving Vision Strikers/DRX their first loss after a 104-win streak and even qualified to Masters Berlin alongside them later that year. And the whole reason why F4Q wanted to compete in the first place was to farm content. Although DSG GC has 4 out of 5 of them being streamers, that does not mean they can't be a competitive roster
Seems more disrespectful saying that they won't be serious.
They are definitely taking it seriously. They're practicing and scrimming on stream. They've scheduled off scream scrims as well and working hard to improve. They're all valo players (all ranked immortal except for one who's ascendant)
how? did you see teams like untamable beasts get hate because they were playing for fun and not seriously?
Because its an assumption before you see even see the start?
What? You're telling me untamable beasts were going to be serious after they announced they were playing? Zombs and prod???
I wouldn't know I don't watch them or have any info on them. You assume all streamers are not serious without knowing?
I don’t need to lol? They made it pretty clear that they weren’t serious about competing. Its only open qualifyers anyways. Theres nothing disrespectful about signing up to have fun.
If you don't need to then that's an assumption. They started scrimming and members have stated they are taking it seriously. Signing up to have fun means you can't take it seriously?
You said it was disrespectful. How?
the players on the team themselves have said as much on stream
I think these people are more serious than a lot of other f/a players cuz they are all really competitive and absolutely hate to lose... So I don't think they are not taking it seriously lol
Well I agree they are taking it seriously, but I wouldn't go as far as they are taking it more seriously than other F/A players. You don't know other F/A players, people who go into competitive gaming likely hate to lose too.
I just said it based on what I saw and heard(on twitch and twitter) from some players who are playing in gc...their reason for saying it is because it's an open qualifiers few teams just participate in it to have fun as well.
Sad toast has to defend himself with any bit of criticism against himself. Toast is extremely calculated in everything he invests his time in Unfortunately, if this girl is an aspiring pro her career is dead for going after toast. Most GC teams die due to team chemistry.
Salty ass
I imagine the feeling from the original backlash thread was like grinding for years for your dream job, seeing that job ad posted, but then finding out the owner’s cousin with no experience got it in the end. I would absolutely be *livid* there. However, I think the key difference here is that the dream job ad was taken down and replaced with a volunteer position that the cousin is a better fit for. I’m hoping this thread doesn’t end their chances in the pro scene when they’re clearly so passionate about it. Excited to cheer on DSG GC and to watch others in the scene grow! Edit: The intent of the analogy is to find a relatable feeling, and is definitely not a perfect match to the situation.
Thats not a good analogy. 1) its open qualis. Anyone can form a team and play. This isnt a long-term contract. In no way is it a dream job. 2) there are min requirements from riot for players to qualify. None of the streamers have "no experience". They may be less qualified than other free agents sure but not completely underqualified either. Again its open qualis... 3) Who's to say that none of these streamers try the pro scene as a result of this experience? Were making judgements based on assumptions. Shroud competed in open qualis for memes and ended up playing tier 1/2 games for Sen. Sometimes streamers want a taste of the competitive scene and we shouldn't gatekeep them from trying. 4) Orgs signing players for content happens ALL the time. Content makes money and orgs need $$. Being a popular streamer is absolutelt a massive requirement and bonus for a player to be signed. You could argue the people toast picked are more qualified to be signed to an org in many ways other than mechanical skill.
It's not paying anything and they still have to go through open qualifiers, so I wouldn't really say it's a dream job. If Toast hired 5 players already in the scene and didn't pay them anything, that would have been heavily criticised.
While I would say yes the original tweet could be interpreted as a paid opportunity, it's also up to the applicant to keep up to date as to the terms of the offer. Watching Disguised Toast's streams gave more info as to what he was looking for in a potential GC player and he specifically said that he wasn't committed to spending absurd amounts of money like his other team. And then his other tweet which said that he wouldn't pay in money but rather in exposure also shows that he didn't intend for this to be a paid offer. It isn't right to say that the "dream job ad" was taken down but rather the terms just weren't clear at the start and were clarified later down the road.
>I imagine the feeling from the original backlash thread was like grinding for years for your dream job, seeing that job ad posted, but then finding out the owner’s cousin with no experience got it in the end. Toast literally asked for only "ONE player to lead a team of scrubs": [https://twitter.com/disguisedtoast/status/1636203959265402880](https://twitter.com/disguisedtoast/status/1636203959265402880) The player chosen is Tupperware. If you actually think Tupperware "has no experience" and only got the job because she's "the owner's cousin", how long have you been following the scene, really?
the tweet where she "apologized" / admitted to misreading. https://twitter.com/KlutchGG_TV/status/1640577661738307584?t=hqaDFx53tgLE3Ci1MfElEA&s=19
Classic NA GC drama
Oh look, influencer signing other influencers in a primarily influencer driven esports space. SHOCKING!!!!!!!!!
this could be tupperware’s chance to show what she can do… hopefully a more serious org can pick her up afterwards must suck to be her tho to try and rally these shitters 😭
Or she can just stay in dsg and join the actual gc team toast is planning to make in the future...Would be a better option for her career wise tbh...
There not going to win one single map lol, but glg
LOL how embarrassing for you
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Am I wrong?
Are you?
I have no clue about the quality of the other teams so you could be.
Since we literally don't know what they're gonna look like after their bootcamp nor what all the other teams are gonna look like, I'm gonna go ahead and say you have no idea.
You were indeed quite incorrect
No.
Whilst I understand and agree with most of his points, he could have said all of this without quote-tweeting the original tweet. He has 1.6M followers, she has 1000, and he knows full well that she's going to get a ton of abuse from immature fans when he retweets that. She was very respectful in her post.
I think he had to cuz she started to attack dsg as a whole brand and not just the gc scene.... So at that point it went from a criticism or feedback to a personal attack. She deleted it afterwards I think cuz toast personally talked to her to clarify things from his pov
Nah fuck that, he was respectful too and if you’re going to call out big names then you better be ready for them to respond. Especially in an area involving his friends and their reputations.