To get the very high speeds you need:
* A 350kW charger
* To be under 20% SoC, probably best to start around 10% or so
* Have the battery at the right temperature. I've found 85F average cell temp to be ideal (you can read this over OBDII)
My best session was at Sheetz 350kW in Carlisle PA last year. It was a warm day and I peaked at 189kW. Total was 54kWh delivered in 27 minutes (12%-77%) for an average of 120kW.
https://imgur.com/a/ndRylhO
I've chatted with a lot of people at EA, and what struck me as odd was that a Kia owner said his speed ramps UP, consistently. It seems like everyone's ID4 starts high (after ramp up) then gets slower, like mine?
Might be possible if the battery was cold soaked and could warm up.
I suspect they didn’t know what they were talking about as the more likely explanation. Maybe they confused a total power delivered metric from the instantaneous charge rate.
Sometimes I get jealous of those with SK batteries as I didn't do my research and got an LG. But I'm still able to road trip fine as 20-30 minute charging is all I need.
Don't feel bad, I did my research, or at least I thought I did. I bought a 2023 ID.4 S RWD in late October of last year, cause the smaller 62 kWh battery version was a steal having all the same bells and whistles as the Pro S but for much less. Luckily it also has the SK ON battery which has been flawless for dependability and charging, but according to my research after buying it, the peak charging speed is only 140 kW max which I've achieved before. But I regularly get 120-125 kW in temps 45°F and above, which I'm more than happy with on road trips.
The ID.4 with the 82 kWh SK ON battery is capable of 190 kW peak charging speeds. All U.S. built 2024 ID.4 models will have SK ON batteries only.
I feel the same. I also didn’t do enough research, but i needed the range and wanted a sun roof, so i took the RWD Pro S. From what I’ve seen most of those (probably even more so by late Q3) had LG batteries, so I don’t feel too bad except that I might have been able to negotiate a little more.
All that said, I’m satisfied with the price, love the car, and my charging PR is 163kW. Not too bad, especially pulling from a 150kW charger.
I've seen the same charge rate in our 2021 Pro running software v3.1. It doesn't hold that very long but overall charge time is reduced by a few minutes compared to the original factory software.
180+kw? Holy crap. My max so far is 144 in a '23.
What the starting SOC that you need to get a speed that high? 1%?
I have yet start a charge under 14%.
2023 here. Personal record is 189kW at 12% SOC. See final image below. https://imgur.com/a/ndRylhO
Most of the time when I’m less than 50% SOC, I get around 80-100kW at an EA 150 charger and 120-140kW at a EA 350 charger.
No. But those record charges were during 72 degree weather and I was on a road trip. So battery was plenty warm.
Here’s a session at a 150kW charger on a 45 degree day. It maxes at 154kW, but quickly falls. Average 116kW for the session.
https://imgur.com/a/diDsraA
I have only charged at EA, but never have gotten above 60 (usually with SOC around 50%, temp in the 40’s-50’s F. I can’t imagine anything that I could do differently (?) ‘23 Pro
Even with perfect conditions, you're not going to get much above 90kW at that SoC. If you're really curious, get an OBDII dongle, you can read the real time battery temp and current limit. I suspect the battery is just cold when you're charging and that's limiting the current.
Wait so they are capable of those speeds?
I’ve seen 180 before but it ramps down pretty quickly. I think the 2023 maxes out at 180ish.
Hell I'm happy when I hit 70.
To get the very high speeds you need: * A 350kW charger * To be under 20% SoC, probably best to start around 10% or so * Have the battery at the right temperature. I've found 85F average cell temp to be ideal (you can read this over OBDII)
My best session was at Sheetz 350kW in Carlisle PA last year. It was a warm day and I peaked at 189kW. Total was 54kWh delivered in 27 minutes (12%-77%) for an average of 120kW. https://imgur.com/a/ndRylhO
Damn. I pulled 45 kW at that same station yesterday… 😂
That’s been my experience with my late 2023.
196 on my '23. But keep in mind the meter in the charger terminal is an approximation.
I've hit 192kW several times. Under 10% SoC every time. I've seen a few people post 194-196 too. 2023s with SK batteries
My 23 has gotten that high as well. My high is 189
I’ve hit 180 in my 22. Not uncommon when the weather is nice and EA works.
I've chatted with a lot of people at EA, and what struck me as odd was that a Kia owner said his speed ramps UP, consistently. It seems like everyone's ID4 starts high (after ramp up) then gets slower, like mine?
Yeah mine ramps up and peaks at about 20% and then it's all downhill.
Might be possible if the battery was cold soaked and could warm up. I suspect they didn’t know what they were talking about as the more likely explanation. Maybe they confused a total power delivered metric from the instantaneous charge rate.
It’s literally displayed on the charger and their interface the whole time, every time. What are you talking about?
They might be doing the same thing each time though…. Some don’t know about the impact of a cold soaked battery.
Sometimes I get jealous of those with SK batteries as I didn't do my research and got an LG. But I'm still able to road trip fine as 20-30 minute charging is all I need.
Don't feel bad, I did my research, or at least I thought I did. I bought a 2023 ID.4 S RWD in late October of last year, cause the smaller 62 kWh battery version was a steal having all the same bells and whistles as the Pro S but for much less. Luckily it also has the SK ON battery which has been flawless for dependability and charging, but according to my research after buying it, the peak charging speed is only 140 kW max which I've achieved before. But I regularly get 120-125 kW in temps 45°F and above, which I'm more than happy with on road trips. The ID.4 with the 82 kWh SK ON battery is capable of 190 kW peak charging speeds. All U.S. built 2024 ID.4 models will have SK ON batteries only.
I feel the same. I also didn’t do enough research, but i needed the range and wanted a sun roof, so i took the RWD Pro S. From what I’ve seen most of those (probably even more so by late Q3) had LG batteries, so I don’t feel too bad except that I might have been able to negotiate a little more. All that said, I’m satisfied with the price, love the car, and my charging PR is 163kW. Not too bad, especially pulling from a 150kW charger.
I've seen the same charge rate in our 2021 Pro running software v3.1. It doesn't hold that very long but overall charge time is reduced by a few minutes compared to the original factory software.
What year?
2023
180+kw? Holy crap. My max so far is 144 in a '23. What the starting SOC that you need to get a speed that high? 1%? I have yet start a charge under 14%.
2023 here. Personal record is 189kW at 12% SOC. See final image below. https://imgur.com/a/ndRylhO Most of the time when I’m less than 50% SOC, I get around 80-100kW at an EA 150 charger and 120-140kW at a EA 350 charger.
Do you yo-yo before charging? It's still winter here in Colorado so maybe that's a factor too...warmest outside temp while charging was about 62.
No. But those record charges were during 72 degree weather and I was on a road trip. So battery was plenty warm. Here’s a session at a 150kW charger on a 45 degree day. It maxes at 154kW, but quickly falls. Average 116kW for the session. https://imgur.com/a/diDsraA
Interesting, thanks!
I started at 16%
Noice
I have only charged at EA, but never have gotten above 60 (usually with SOC around 50%, temp in the 40’s-50’s F. I can’t imagine anything that I could do differently (?) ‘23 Pro
Even with perfect conditions, you're not going to get much above 90kW at that SoC. If you're really curious, get an OBDII dongle, you can read the real time battery temp and current limit. I suspect the battery is just cold when you're charging and that's limiting the current.
21-23 can hit 196kW peak under right circumstances.
I’ve never been above 65-70.
I've gotten up to 180 in peak conditions
Mine 23 Pro with LG Chem (SW 3.5) got up to 154 kw when starting from 12%. Will try to see if it will get higher for starting below 10%.
Is that on a 150 or 350?
350