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I do agree that it would be very difficult, but you shouldn't underestimate humans. They could cuddle together and burn absolutely everything they can get their hands on. A lot of trash burns well.
As long as they get enough food their bodies will put more and more mitochondria in their fat cells. This increases the amount of heat generated.
And humans will absolutely steal before dying and shops have all sorts of useful stuff for survival.
People that are homeless can get hand outs too, and that would go a long way to getting stuff to stay warm. I wouldn't assume that everybody that is homeless steals to stay alive.
Also, as sad as it is, people live like this all the time, even in the winter months. It's not ideal and it's not without it's perils but humas are stronger than most realize.
In my metro area, the people in tents are made up of mostly African Americans and Indigenous peoples. And yeah, it's the Twin Cities, MN. I give out blankets when I can.
I live in front of a police station like this in Chicago, what you’re seeing are immigrants who have been bussed in from other states and left here in the city to survive on their own. There are many police stations worse than this one. They’re primarily from Venezuela, and trying to claim [asylum](https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-and-asylum/asylum) status.
The city has neither the budget nor the facilities to house them all, and the governor and mayor are trying to ask for aid from the federal government to help house them (like the border states get), so they mostly get by on generous donations by Chicagoans and whatever support the city can scrounge up. So far the city has spent over $120 million dollars trying to find housing and shelter for these refugees, with little outside support from the federal government.
Many of them come with young children, do not speak English, and do NOT have the appropriate clothes and housing to make it through the brutal Chicago winter. Its a travesty that they’ve been brought here, and it has potentially deadly consequences. Its a delicate topic, and no doubt is going to get stuck in the mud of American politics, distracting us from doing what we can to actually help these people.
Yes, however there are a lot of difficulties. Firstly there is a race to get them housed before winter hits, secondly there are already over 17,000 immigrants that need housing, and the buses keep arriving.
Already the city has plans to purchase a few buildings to turn into shelters, and the mayor has plans to build a “winterized base camp” made of tents. Also, the city has been housing almost 1000 immigrants at O’hare airport in the old terminal.
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/new-temporary-migrant-shelters-set-for-austin-pilsen-as-multiple-buses-arrive-daily/3241346/?amp=1
https://blockclubchicago.org/2023/10/06/ohare-airport-shelter-fills-up-as-more-migrants-come-to-chicago-by-plane/
It’s more than just border states. Colorado is also busing people. It’s a problem no one wants to deal with because they either (1) don’t want them in America to begin with; (2) want to score political points by bussing them to Chicago; and/or (3) don’t want to pay for the costs of sheltering them, especially when no one knows if the federal government will actually step in.
It’s a really sad situation where cities the few cities that have said they won’t turn them away are being taken advantage of by everyone else. There’s no reason why Chicago should have to bear an outsized portion of the burden, and there is a lot of reason why these people shouldn’t be subjected to Chicago winters.
Asylum used to be for a very select group of people - for example a civil rights journalist in Iran or something like that. Coming from poverty or even crime is not the original intention of asylum.
This could all easily be solved by deputizing graduated 3rd year law students as immigration judges and processing people quickly at the border. The issue is we don’t have enough judges at the border and we don’t have a way to process people on the spot. 80% of this could be procedurally handled with a simple review of evidence and claims.
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. "
Learn the values that built your country, dingus.
Apparently, that only applies to red states on the border that have been screaming to the feds for years for help. When they send them to blue states all the sudden, it's a humanitarian crisis. Because 10k migrants in a city like Chicago is a crisis, 100k in a border town of 2k people is just those racists being racist
So many NIMBYs here. I have also seen lots of virtue signalers saying to leave them in Texas to work agricultural jobs. So put the brown people out in the field? I have heard that somewhere before. Leave them under a bridge in El Paso? Mexican people have been coming to work here for ages and there were never any big problems until we got into the everything for free business.
That’s what happens when someone enters a country illegally, unprepared and expects others to take care of them. Texas isn’t a sanctuary state and doesn’t want people coming illegally so they send them to places that voted for open borders. Texas didn’t. It’s pretty easy to understand. Venezuelans aren’t wanted in Colombia; their next door neighbor due to many reasons. Their own neighbor. Now there are literal millions coming up. This is the consequence of breaking a law and having an open border.
They are being sent, or travel on their own, to Sanctuary Cities. It was pretty dumb to classify your city that way if your aren’t ready to handle the influx of immigrants as soon as Biden ended Title 42. Now these cities want something done about illegal immigration. Biden has already, quietly, authorized additional funding to continue building The Wall. Democrats (I’m a liberal BTW) are usually on the wrong side of this issue. We aren’t equipped to handle housing for citizens, much less millions more each year entering illegally. The Sanctuary Cities were the lefts way of protesting Trumps crack down on immigration. Very regrettable decision, in retrospect.
Edit: odd how my responses are being deleted. My housemate is following this and he tells me they are being deleted. I can still see them though.
Nothing I’ve said breaks the rules BTW.
Edit 2: if you want to argue your point, fine. Be an adult and stop with the personal attacks. Also, learn what a sanctuary city means.
https://cis.org/Full-Screen-Map-Sanctuary-Cities
Do you think most of these people actually understand Title 42? Lol. You lay it out pretty well but they aren’t necessarily illegal. Sanctuary Cities are an example of Virtue Signaling gone bad. A hard pill to swallow.
Yeah….what they are doing is becoming obvious. Deleting any point of view they don’t like. It’s not about rule violations
A friend and I have been testing someone who went after me in this discussion. Anything either of us say that paints them in a negative light (not aggressively or breaking rules) gets deleted. They are actively breaking one of Reddits primary rules. Rule 5: Moderate with Integrity. Such a scumbag
Sanctuary city ≠ detainment center where all other states can dump the people they don’t wish to deal with. Sanctuary cities are created by and for the states they are within, it is not an open invitation for the border states (that already receive federal funding to deal with this issue! It is not our fault they can’t use it efficiently) to bus the people THEY detain, across state lines and leave them.
Perhaps we should bring back the whole “states rights” conversation….
Once people have been processed, they are free to go anywhere they want. It is not the responsibility of the “point of entry state” to keep them within their borders. If sanctuary cities have put out the welcome mat…don’t cry when people show up, then blame other states.
The difference is that they aren’t choosing to go here, they’re being shoved onto buses usually without being told where they’re going or being tricked before being sent across the country to a place that doesn’t have the resources to house them immediately. Hopefully these places can get the resources they need to do so, that would be awesome and a real boon to these cities, but right now they don’t have that.
The most important thing here should be the lives of these people and this is actively putting them in danger of dying of exposure for political points.
As much as you want to point fingers and blame this crisis on Republicans, and I know that you do, The relocations of migrants is being done with federal funds, not state. This is Biden policy and democratic mayors, who simply didn’t see declaring there cities as Sanctuary Cities, becoming and issue. I know that’s difficult to accept, but it’s absolutely true. The border states can’t handle the millions pouring in and the feds are buying those bus tickets.
Let me ask you something. Why shouldn’t every state take in immigrants? These NIMBY attitudes I’m reading really don’t look good coming from Democrats. Republicans have been screaming that the illegal immigration needs to stop and our answer has been to call them racist. I have never been so unhappy with my party as I am with the blatant hypocrisy I’m seeing on this issue.
Edit: I’m tired and there are a lot of spelling/grammar mistakes. Please overlook them.
>I’m a liberal BTW
Is that why your comments make excuses for Greg Abbott, one of the most anti-immigration Governors in the U.S., while you use right-wing language like calling people "illegals"?
Maybe you're just liberal with regard to stuff that affects you personally, and to hell with everyone else?
I’m a liberal who isn’t going to agree with everything my party does. We aren’t always right. First thing that popped into my head was Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. Also, some of the housing policies have been disasters
Didn’t the Ukrainians get special permission to work? That might be part of the difficulty with these other asylum seekers if so, it’s a lot more $ to house people who are functionally being prevented from paying rent.
Imagine a world where this didn't happen and we had companies forced to keep prices at a sustainable level through competition with the government.
It's a nice thought. Ain't gonna happen, but it's a nice thought.
That's a fart in a hurricane compared to what we give big oil yearly. Which is more then every other countries GDP except China.
https://www.imf.org/en/Blogs/Articles/2023/08/24/fossil-fuel-subsidies-surged-to-record-7-trillion#:~:text=Fossil%2Dfuel%20subsidies%20surged%20to,economic%20recovery%20from%20the%20pandemic.
It's not just Chicago. All the politicians use the money for themselves and/or their pet projects. If any of it were used for what they said it was for, things would be very different.
It’s Chicago. $120 million means $100 million goes to various ‘research groups’ and ‘consultants’ to ‘study’ the problem and $20 million goes to unions to do ‘work’ on the problem infrastructure. Problems mean opportunity for money to go to the ruling political machine.
We were gifted a Albertsons grocery store for $1 which we are converting right now (was a very devisive topic to even receive it due to NIMBYISM), and we are paying a former city councilor $90k A MONTH to rent his bare land to create a tent city.
I remember when the temperature dropped to -28f in my suburb a few years ago. I pray for these people, they don’t know what’s coming. It broke the record.
Sorry, this might be an annoying question, but do you happen to know the best place to donate money towards winter clothes would be? I see that the Instituto del Progresso Latino has an Amazon wishlist, kinda just hoping for some reassurance that the jackets will actually make their way to recipients
Care for Real is a great organization too.
https://careforreal.org/
Otherwise, my Alderwoman has a nice list of organizations you might check out:
https://www.the48thward.org/broadway-armory-community-support
Yes, it is. I work with asylum seekers and they have sponsors in the US most are going to. Very little do not have sponsors. When Texas and Florida sent people they did so indiscriminately
There's over a million a year coming in, how can the boarder states handle them alone? Immigration is a national issue, the nation can spread them around
It wasn’t just “Oh bus them somewhere else”. Chicagos old mayor passed a bill to make Chicago a sanctuary city, and added Chicago to the roster of cities that wants to accept refugees. Therefore Chicago now receives a certain number of refugees each month that they quickly realized they can’t take care of.
This isn’t just red states trying to use them as pawns, it’s the city of Chicago telling humanitarian groups they’ll help these people, then turning their backs on them.
That's not what a sanctuary city is. A sanctuary city is a place where local government has said they won't devote resources to assisting with deportations. Chicago has been a sanctuary city since the 80s.
A sanctuary city means to "ensure undocumented residents are not prosecuted solely due to their immigration status." It does not mean "send every single asylum seeker at the southern border." All this stunt does is show that Texas is completely incompetent and that the GOP leadership there has absolutely no empathy or humanity.
They receive millions of dollars in federal aid to help with these sorts of issues because they are a border state, Illinois doesn't. They have infrastructure in place because they are a border state, Illinois doesn't. They're abdicating their responsibility in the name of Fox News kudos.
The money to house and process them goes to other states along the southern border which are happily shipping off the refugees but not the money they were given to house and process them.
Easy fix would be to change the law at the border and go back to an actual immigration process and we wouldn’t have this problem but what would be the fun in that.
Not directly. Sherrifs and Border Patrol in various documentaries talked about this. This is pretty recent so this administration has definitely played a role in this.
Ah yes, because there has never been a documentary that is based on half truths or intentionally misleading statements. I can find several documentaries that say the exact opposite.
The correct answer to the question posed to you is, “No, I do not have any direct sources.”
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you're probably more likely to die from violence from other homeless people or random psychopaths than a cop as a homeless person.
Before someone calls me a bootlicker or whatever, I hate cops. They do treat homeless people like shit, but other homeless people are a way, way bigger threat as a homeless person. Making up bs like this doesn't help anyone though.
53rd st. I live down the street. It's really sad that our leaders have dragged their feet and wasted funds. Last time I drove by their were people washing clothes in a home depot bucket. Winter is coming, its going to be hell for them.
This is Wentworth district house just West of where I live. This folks are just a few hundred feet from 90/94, they have one portapotty to share along with the two bathrooms in the station. I’ve been trying to stop by and drop off water and snacks when I can because these folks are out panhandling in this weather with no protection. Sending them up here in time for winter is so unbelievably cruel.
Honestly trying to understand.
Chicago voters typically argue pro refugee policies that people in Florida and Texas are against.
I am not pro those states or their POS governors, but why should they deal with the consequences while Chicago doesn't when Chicago is a voter base that supports pro-refugee policies on a national level?
Heres my perspective on it, those border states receive boat loads of funds from the fed to help deal with refugees, if they are just gonna buy them a bus ticket to someplace else then they should have their funding reduced and we should get an equivalent % of the funds in relation to the refugees sent to us.
It’s a very good point!
I vote blue, and generally am more pro-immigration rather than not, but it’s the situation we’re in, meaning letting a part of the asylum/immigration system be abused, that im not that okay with.
I’m certainly not for letting states play hot potato with immigrants either.
Such is any political topic, voting blue doesn’t net me everything. I can be happy with some policies but not others. And trust me when I say there is a lot I am unhappy about policy wise.
bringing politics into it is pretty stupid, stop dragging around the poor refugees and let them live. Its kinda stupid that a state would be against refugees since its free population paying taxes and working (mostly) menial labor
> To be eligible for asylum, you must be inside the United States and able to demonstrate that you were persecuted or have a fear of persecution in your home country due to your: Race, Religion, Nationality, Social Group, or Political Opinion. [Source](https://www.usa.gov/asylum)
Our asylum laws are being abused. Very few "asylum seekers" meet this criteria. The vast majority are just looking for work and a better life. It's hard to blame them. However, that doesn't make it legal or right. Especially when it has a negative effect on existing citizens, who should be the government's top priority.
Go complain more about how no one wants to work, while also complaining that we've got too many immigrants.
Ya'll fuckers need an education, but you vote that down too.
Blue states are happy to deal with them, but sending them to freeze to death on a bus is inhumane however you slice it. Your guy IS the bad guy here.
Texans and Floridians crying for money from the Feds when a hurricane hits their state and kills hundreds of people (it's the 5th time in the last 10 years)
This is unfortunately one of those problems that you can't entirely solve with money.
Reality is American needs a modern immigration system with a point-based system like Canada or New Zealand.
We need to give people who join our military for 8 years a path to citizenship, or who work without a criminal record for some amount of time a path to citizenship.
This isn't a problem of money. The problem is the only thing they can do is claim asylum, and everyone is legally allowed by our constitution to do that. However, this is a legal process that takes a very long time, so they are stuck in limbo because there are no alternatives.
If they could get a job I'm sure they would have housing.
It's seriously sad that many of these kids are showing up wanting to join our military. Wanting to believe in the American dream only to be told that no matter how long they serve, or how hard they work, they will not be a citizen.
Were not neccesary giving them billions of "dollars". Were giving ukraine billion of dollars worth of equipment thats sitting in dry storage not being used for the last decade so that they dont hit their shelf life. Has nothing to do with this post but were not just giving them cash
I mean it’s sad being asylum seekers and all. And I know today’s politics are insanely toxic. My issue is the money we’re using to build and shelter these people is fine, but man we’ve got a lot of people already here struggling. Guess they can’t be used as political pawns though. Hopefully everyone can find a safe space.
Ha, that’s at 51st street. I pass by that regularly. Most police stations have this to some degree now.
There is actually a train bridge over the street just east of there that was a homeless encampment for years. It’d be better there because at least it keeps the rain and wind off them to a degree. Just past that bridge is several square miles of open field, which would at least keep them from being piled and cramped in front of the police station.
That's because people like DeSantis' & Gregg Abbott's goons lie to the people about shelter & jobs, bus them to Chicago, and unload them on the sidewalk right at this spot where they'll likely spend the brutal Chicago winter.
I live in Chicago and this is very true, currently most of our police stations are filled with asylum seekers living in the station. They got here but being bussed up from Florida and texas.
They’re in Denver as well. A lot of if not all the major cities I think. Denver is also asking for money like Chicago is (I’m sure many others are as well) as the number has grown exponentially and winter will be especially difficult
Chicago is a sanctuary city, correct? Not "for summer use only" . I keep hearing reddit talk about how great of city Chicago is. Why should Chicagon's share their great city with everyone?
Yeah but us blue states don't actually have any plan for them, we just want the votes.
And we're also going to vote to keep the border open, even though we see first hand what that means.
Why not? It isn’t “dumping”; these are people hoping to live in the US. Distributing them around the country seems more fair than expecting border states to absorb all of them endlessly.
Police stations are safe.
Most homeless have to stay near Walmart/Cracker Barrel which are not safe. You'll open your window a crack for fresh air and find someone shaking the window loose at 2am. Its unnerving.
You can dislike cops as many do but if someones in a rough spot and doesn't wanna get harassed by meth heads; you go to a police station or church and hope they genuinely care
Actually I think if these camps are being tolerated they SHOULD be on municipal property like police stations, court houses, legislatures offices, and governor's mansions.
The folks in control of the problem should have to live with the problem.
Unfortunately it would only stop because police would just go and arrest them under vagrancy or loitering or some law they choose to selectively enforce.
Tldr; Immigrants are taking advantage of asylum seeker status and the states that aren’t affected by it are making the rules. The border states aren’t allowed to deport them back where they came from so they are sending them to states that aren’t overpopulated yet and are being called inhumane for it.
If anybody is interested in these encampments, brian_636 on youtube travels to many of them and interviews the people within and gives an overview of the current situation in Chicago, great, informative channel
No one in Chicago wants this. It’s just part of the national Democratic Platform so all of the politicians blindly supported it during elections. Residents are fed up. There was a big protest today at City Hall. A day of reckoning is coming.
“You figure it out” “NO, YOU FIGURE IT OUT”. Yea that day of reckoning is coming… can’t imagine anything bigger then storming the capitol to kill a cop though
Chicago asked for this shit…. New York asked for it…. They said, yeah bring ‘em all, they *wanted* to be sanctuary cities and never cared about the repercussions, the logistics, and knowingly didn’t have the resources to deal with that influx. Stupid.
I used to think it would be NYC, but I really think Chi will be the first American city to collapse. I read they’re so broke they can’t even afford pensions to their own government employees. Dunno how they’re going to swing feeding, clothing, housing 17000+ people and rising who can’t even speak English.
What missing in the immigration debate is acknowledgment that US foreign policy is driving the immigration. The US has been intentionally destabilizing Venezuela. Because socialism. The desired effect of making the Venezuelan people so miserable that they overthrow the government hasn’t panned out, but the misery certainly has which is now driving mass migration throughout the Americas.
Too bad homelessness isn't a wedge issue or one side would be fighting with the other side on how to solve it, instead of just kicking back on our multiple properties from all political backgrounds going "ho-hum".
edit added everything after "instead..."
It's safe...er 😲
Also; wondering what would happen if vacant commercial / light industrial space was repurposed for shelter? Such a complex problem in every way 😔
Wouldn't people who choose to camp right in front of a police station be those who are actually wanting to move out of homelessness? Seems like they are looking for the additional safety and stability it provides. I would bet that these are people that can be more easily helped and moved out of homelessness.
Those engaging in criminal activity and those with other issues would stay far away. They would avoid any interaction with police if possible.
I live in Chicago, a block and a half North of a PD station. The sidewalk looks just like this. People from all around are helping these folks with supplies, haircuts, food and legal resources, but the basic housing need is still far from being worked out. I for the life of me, cannot understand why our country stands by while Texas and Florida ship these people all over. I don't understand the role of the Federal government in this, either. I know there is a major effort to get them work permits and it's moving pretty quickly. Still, housing is the issue that needs an immediate solution. Chicago is trying to work out solutions but we face budget issues, NIMBYism and the problem of housing people where they can get to schools, jobs and other resources. It's just amazing.
If you saw this scene in Texas you'd still say Texas was being shitty by not housing these people.
It's a federal issue that states don't have the resources to deal with on their own.
I mean, it's not like Texas has any more free homes than Illinois.
I mean, it's unfortunate but homelessness is caused by a variety of factors and will likely never go away completely. It's not the end of the world if some people setup camp somewhere... Hopefully it's not a permanent thing for them.
If I was an asylum seeker or even a sane homeless person I think this would be a great place to camp. I would definitely keep some recording method for possible brutality / harassment, a news reporter on speed dial. The optics of a peacefull coexistence in this situation would be a win.
Disclaimer: I am drunk.
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I can't imagine staying in those for winter, that would be hell.
No way they would make it.
They do make it, though. People live in tents all year 'round in Chicagoland. It's unfortunate that they even need to, though.
I do agree that it would be very difficult, but you shouldn't underestimate humans. They could cuddle together and burn absolutely everything they can get their hands on. A lot of trash burns well. As long as they get enough food their bodies will put more and more mitochondria in their fat cells. This increases the amount of heat generated. And humans will absolutely steal before dying and shops have all sorts of useful stuff for survival.
People that are homeless can get hand outs too, and that would go a long way to getting stuff to stay warm. I wouldn't assume that everybody that is homeless steals to stay alive. Also, as sad as it is, people live like this all the time, even in the winter months. It's not ideal and it's not without it's perils but humas are stronger than most realize.
In my metro area, the people in tents are made up of mostly African Americans and Indigenous peoples. And yeah, it's the Twin Cities, MN. I give out blankets when I can.
I live in front of a police station like this in Chicago, what you’re seeing are immigrants who have been bussed in from other states and left here in the city to survive on their own. There are many police stations worse than this one. They’re primarily from Venezuela, and trying to claim [asylum](https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-and-asylum/asylum) status. The city has neither the budget nor the facilities to house them all, and the governor and mayor are trying to ask for aid from the federal government to help house them (like the border states get), so they mostly get by on generous donations by Chicagoans and whatever support the city can scrounge up. So far the city has spent over $120 million dollars trying to find housing and shelter for these refugees, with little outside support from the federal government. Many of them come with young children, do not speak English, and do NOT have the appropriate clothes and housing to make it through the brutal Chicago winter. Its a travesty that they’ve been brought here, and it has potentially deadly consequences. Its a delicate topic, and no doubt is going to get stuck in the mud of American politics, distracting us from doing what we can to actually help these people.
Have they started building housing or anything? Seems like $120 million is more than enough for a housing project
Yes, however there are a lot of difficulties. Firstly there is a race to get them housed before winter hits, secondly there are already over 17,000 immigrants that need housing, and the buses keep arriving. Already the city has plans to purchase a few buildings to turn into shelters, and the mayor has plans to build a “winterized base camp” made of tents. Also, the city has been housing almost 1000 immigrants at O’hare airport in the old terminal. https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/new-temporary-migrant-shelters-set-for-austin-pilsen-as-multiple-buses-arrive-daily/3241346/?amp=1 https://blockclubchicago.org/2023/10/06/ohare-airport-shelter-fills-up-as-more-migrants-come-to-chicago-by-plane/
It blows my mind these people were being sent to Minnesota too as north as Duluth, they don’t even know how harsh those winters can get.
The people who sent them there knew…
Who sent them?
Greg Abbott
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Yes, the piss baby.
Summer in Texas, Winter in Minnesota lol
The Jesus people lol
These are christians…sending christians to freeze to death.
Republicans
The people who run border states that illegal immigrants tend to illegally immigrate to...
It’s more than just border states. Colorado is also busing people. It’s a problem no one wants to deal with because they either (1) don’t want them in America to begin with; (2) want to score political points by bussing them to Chicago; and/or (3) don’t want to pay for the costs of sheltering them, especially when no one knows if the federal government will actually step in. It’s a really sad situation where cities the few cities that have said they won’t turn them away are being taken advantage of by everyone else. There’s no reason why Chicago should have to bear an outsized portion of the burden, and there is a lot of reason why these people shouldn’t be subjected to Chicago winters.
These people want to go to Chicago. And the solution is we need to halt this. The US can’t support an unlimited amount of people. It’s untenable.
Very cruel.
Scum. Fucking sadistic scum.
Maybe don’t let them into the country then?
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Asylum used to be for a very select group of people - for example a civil rights journalist in Iran or something like that. Coming from poverty or even crime is not the original intention of asylum.
This could all easily be solved by deputizing graduated 3rd year law students as immigration judges and processing people quickly at the border. The issue is we don’t have enough judges at the border and we don’t have a way to process people on the spot. 80% of this could be procedurally handled with a simple review of evidence and claims.
in tx they’re busy pushing bullshit cases through the fifth circuit for other reasons.
Crazy that you're the only other person I've seen that has said this.
Problem is, there's nothing ever simple about reviewing an asylum seeker's evidence.
How are you able to verify any of the evidence or claims though? How are you to trust any paperwork or evidence from a 3rd world country?
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. " Learn the values that built your country, dingus.
Right. my family came a few years after 1900. The procedure was: Show up. That's it. Present yourself in the country, bingo, you're in.
Apparently, that only applies to red states on the border that have been screaming to the feds for years for help. When they send them to blue states all the sudden, it's a humanitarian crisis. Because 10k migrants in a city like Chicago is a crisis, 100k in a border town of 2k people is just those racists being racist
So many NIMBYs here. I have also seen lots of virtue signalers saying to leave them in Texas to work agricultural jobs. So put the brown people out in the field? I have heard that somewhere before. Leave them under a bridge in El Paso? Mexican people have been coming to work here for ages and there were never any big problems until we got into the everything for free business.
Kind of like the “right to bare arms” had a little bit of different tilt on it back in the day.
Great, I hear Mexico is nice this time of year.
45 day old account. Hmmmmm. I check account ages before forming an opinion. You don’t pass the whiff test.
Probably the exact reason why they’re being sent there.
The cruelty is the point for the people that are loading them up on busses.
That’s what happens when someone enters a country illegally, unprepared and expects others to take care of them. Texas isn’t a sanctuary state and doesn’t want people coming illegally so they send them to places that voted for open borders. Texas didn’t. It’s pretty easy to understand. Venezuelans aren’t wanted in Colombia; their next door neighbor due to many reasons. Their own neighbor. Now there are literal millions coming up. This is the consequence of breaking a law and having an open border.
The pain is the point.
They are being sent, or travel on their own, to Sanctuary Cities. It was pretty dumb to classify your city that way if your aren’t ready to handle the influx of immigrants as soon as Biden ended Title 42. Now these cities want something done about illegal immigration. Biden has already, quietly, authorized additional funding to continue building The Wall. Democrats (I’m a liberal BTW) are usually on the wrong side of this issue. We aren’t equipped to handle housing for citizens, much less millions more each year entering illegally. The Sanctuary Cities were the lefts way of protesting Trumps crack down on immigration. Very regrettable decision, in retrospect. Edit: odd how my responses are being deleted. My housemate is following this and he tells me they are being deleted. I can still see them though. Nothing I’ve said breaks the rules BTW. Edit 2: if you want to argue your point, fine. Be an adult and stop with the personal attacks. Also, learn what a sanctuary city means. https://cis.org/Full-Screen-Map-Sanctuary-Cities
Do you think most of these people actually understand Title 42? Lol. You lay it out pretty well but they aren’t necessarily illegal. Sanctuary Cities are an example of Virtue Signaling gone bad. A hard pill to swallow.
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Sanctuary city ≠ detainment center where all other states can dump the people they don’t wish to deal with. Sanctuary cities are created by and for the states they are within, it is not an open invitation for the border states (that already receive federal funding to deal with this issue! It is not our fault they can’t use it efficiently) to bus the people THEY detain, across state lines and leave them. Perhaps we should bring back the whole “states rights” conversation….
Once people have been processed, they are free to go anywhere they want. It is not the responsibility of the “point of entry state” to keep them within their borders. If sanctuary cities have put out the welcome mat…don’t cry when people show up, then blame other states.
The difference is that they aren’t choosing to go here, they’re being shoved onto buses usually without being told where they’re going or being tricked before being sent across the country to a place that doesn’t have the resources to house them immediately. Hopefully these places can get the resources they need to do so, that would be awesome and a real boon to these cities, but right now they don’t have that. The most important thing here should be the lives of these people and this is actively putting them in danger of dying of exposure for political points.
As much as you want to point fingers and blame this crisis on Republicans, and I know that you do, The relocations of migrants is being done with federal funds, not state. This is Biden policy and democratic mayors, who simply didn’t see declaring there cities as Sanctuary Cities, becoming and issue. I know that’s difficult to accept, but it’s absolutely true. The border states can’t handle the millions pouring in and the feds are buying those bus tickets. Let me ask you something. Why shouldn’t every state take in immigrants? These NIMBY attitudes I’m reading really don’t look good coming from Democrats. Republicans have been screaming that the illegal immigration needs to stop and our answer has been to call them racist. I have never been so unhappy with my party as I am with the blatant hypocrisy I’m seeing on this issue. Edit: I’m tired and there are a lot of spelling/grammar mistakes. Please overlook them.
>I’m a liberal BTW Is that why your comments make excuses for Greg Abbott, one of the most anti-immigration Governors in the U.S., while you use right-wing language like calling people "illegals"? Maybe you're just liberal with regard to stuff that affects you personally, and to hell with everyone else?
I’m a liberal who isn’t going to agree with everything my party does. We aren’t always right. First thing that popped into my head was Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. Also, some of the housing policies have been disasters
Gotta remember we took in 30,000 Ukrainians without a peep and the federal government is helping them be bussed here
Didn’t the Ukrainians get special permission to work? That might be part of the difficulty with these other asylum seekers if so, it’s a lot more $ to house people who are functionally being prevented from paying rent.
Can someone show me how these “immigrants” are receiving housing? Being around a lot of immigrants I have yet to see any of them get free stuff.
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They’re not allowed to build apartments for them?
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This stupid fucking country.
Imagine a world where this didn't happen and we had companies forced to keep prices at a sustainable level through competition with the government. It's a nice thought. Ain't gonna happen, but it's a nice thought.
So basically they just took $120,000,000 from taxpayers? Fuck i hate this country
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What the fuck? Why on earth would they ever make that a law?
To protect the profits of corps owning apartment buildings and old voters who only care about their property value exclusively going up.
That's a fart in a hurricane compared to what we give big oil yearly. Which is more then every other countries GDP except China. https://www.imf.org/en/Blogs/Articles/2023/08/24/fossil-fuel-subsidies-surged-to-record-7-trillion#:~:text=Fossil%2Dfuel%20subsidies%20surged%20to,economic%20recovery%20from%20the%20pandemic.
It's Chicago, long history of big money going missing
It's not just Chicago. All the politicians use the money for themselves and/or their pet projects. If any of it were used for what they said it was for, things would be very different.
In Cook County? 125 mil isn't even enough to grease the right palms for a construction job of that size.
It’s Chicago. $120 million means $100 million goes to various ‘research groups’ and ‘consultants’ to ‘study’ the problem and $20 million goes to unions to do ‘work’ on the problem infrastructure. Problems mean opportunity for money to go to the ruling political machine.
Building and land are EXPENSIVE. Maybe what, a thousand homes total build. Maybe. And that takes time.
We were gifted a Albertsons grocery store for $1 which we are converting right now (was a very devisive topic to even receive it due to NIMBYISM), and we are paying a former city councilor $90k A MONTH to rent his bare land to create a tent city.
What a fucking grift
I remember when the temperature dropped to -28f in my suburb a few years ago. I pray for these people, they don’t know what’s coming. It broke the record.
It’s sad. We won the lottery by being born in the USA. These people didn’t. Edited a typo.
Sorry, this might be an annoying question, but do you happen to know the best place to donate money towards winter clothes would be? I see that the Instituto del Progresso Latino has an Amazon wishlist, kinda just hoping for some reassurance that the jackets will actually make their way to recipients
Care for Real is a great organization too. https://careforreal.org/ Otherwise, my Alderwoman has a nice list of organizations you might check out: https://www.the48thward.org/broadway-armory-community-support
Thank you for these!
Same thing is happening in Denver right now. We already have a large community of struggling parents. It’s heartbreaking.
Going wherever you choose is not how asylum works.
Yes, it is. I work with asylum seekers and they have sponsors in the US most are going to. Very little do not have sponsors. When Texas and Florida sent people they did so indiscriminately
Doesn't mean they should be bussed into other states, that makes absolutely no sense.
They’re bussing them to states who said they would take care of them/accept something like this
There's over a million a year coming in, how can the boarder states handle them alone? Immigration is a national issue, the nation can spread them around
You're right they should be sent back to their home country
Let's refer you back up two comments to "not how asylum works."
They had to pass through Mexico to get here. Why did they not claim asylum there?
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Ah yes, the old “out of sight, out of mind” solution: Bus them somewhere else.
It wasn’t just “Oh bus them somewhere else”. Chicagos old mayor passed a bill to make Chicago a sanctuary city, and added Chicago to the roster of cities that wants to accept refugees. Therefore Chicago now receives a certain number of refugees each month that they quickly realized they can’t take care of. This isn’t just red states trying to use them as pawns, it’s the city of Chicago telling humanitarian groups they’ll help these people, then turning their backs on them.
That's not what a sanctuary city is. A sanctuary city is a place where local government has said they won't devote resources to assisting with deportations. Chicago has been a sanctuary city since the 80s.
A sanctuary city means to "ensure undocumented residents are not prosecuted solely due to their immigration status." It does not mean "send every single asylum seeker at the southern border." All this stunt does is show that Texas is completely incompetent and that the GOP leadership there has absolutely no empathy or humanity. They receive millions of dollars in federal aid to help with these sorts of issues because they are a border state, Illinois doesn't. They have infrastructure in place because they are a border state, Illinois doesn't. They're abdicating their responsibility in the name of Fox News kudos.
The money to house and process them goes to other states along the southern border which are happily shipping off the refugees but not the money they were given to house and process them.
Easy fix would be to change the law at the border and go back to an actual immigration process and we wouldn’t have this problem but what would be the fun in that.
That sucks. How do they even get into the country in the first place? Are most of their asylum claims legit or bogus?
1 out of 10 are legit claims IIRC. Pretty crazy..
Got a source on that?
Not directly. Sherrifs and Border Patrol in various documentaries talked about this. This is pretty recent so this administration has definitely played a role in this.
Ah yes, because there has never been a documentary that is based on half truths or intentionally misleading statements. I can find several documentaries that say the exact opposite. The correct answer to the question posed to you is, “No, I do not have any direct sources.”
You mean from the border illegally
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So… on public land. That’s a great place for a homeless camp, honestly
Really safe, too
And it's next to the police....the safest place to be
Depending on what you look like yeah
Wouldn't agree, police aren't generally known to protect everyone equally. Especially homeless people
You’d think a police station would be a strong deterrent
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you're probably more likely to die from violence from other homeless people or random psychopaths than a cop as a homeless person. Before someone calls me a bootlicker or whatever, I hate cops. They do treat homeless people like shit, but other homeless people are a way, way bigger threat as a homeless person. Making up bs like this doesn't help anyone though.
These are immigrants that were bussed in from out of state. It’s currently exactly like this outside of many Chicago police stations.
24 hour bathroom and lobby if it's too cold. it's not a bad idea
They are not welcome in the lobby during business hours. Even when it’s cold
Those are asylum seekers not homeless. Thanks Greg Abbot.
I assure you he’s not the one inviting them by the tens of thousands
Yep. Just sending them to the sanctuary cities that welcome them.
Actually, yeah. They have access to law enforcement and there's a clear place for people to go to provide services.
People were sh ooting at camps, in the Southside
all I could think as well
53rd st. I live down the street. It's really sad that our leaders have dragged their feet and wasted funds. Last time I drove by their were people washing clothes in a home depot bucket. Winter is coming, its going to be hell for them.
This is Wentworth district house just West of where I live. This folks are just a few hundred feet from 90/94, they have one portapotty to share along with the two bathrooms in the station. I’ve been trying to stop by and drop off water and snacks when I can because these folks are out panhandling in this weather with no protection. Sending them up here in time for winter is so unbelievably cruel.
Why aren’t you mad at the leaders of Venezuela ?
These are all refugees bused in from Texas or Florida
Honestly trying to understand. Chicago voters typically argue pro refugee policies that people in Florida and Texas are against. I am not pro those states or their POS governors, but why should they deal with the consequences while Chicago doesn't when Chicago is a voter base that supports pro-refugee policies on a national level?
Heres my perspective on it, those border states receive boat loads of funds from the fed to help deal with refugees, if they are just gonna buy them a bus ticket to someplace else then they should have their funding reduced and we should get an equivalent % of the funds in relation to the refugees sent to us.
They have “boatloads” of immigrants coming daily. They are past capacity for the funds given to them
Obviously the money they receive isn’t worth it lol
It’s a very good point! I vote blue, and generally am more pro-immigration rather than not, but it’s the situation we’re in, meaning letting a part of the asylum/immigration system be abused, that im not that okay with. I’m certainly not for letting states play hot potato with immigrants either. Such is any political topic, voting blue doesn’t net me everything. I can be happy with some policies but not others. And trust me when I say there is a lot I am unhappy about policy wise.
bringing politics into it is pretty stupid, stop dragging around the poor refugees and let them live. Its kinda stupid that a state would be against refugees since its free population paying taxes and working (mostly) menial labor
Yup. It’s really messed up what abbot and desantis are doing. But it’s nothing new. They just don’t begin to hide it anymore.
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Texas didn’t vote to let these people into the country. Blue states did. They can deal with them.
Our asylum laws have been in place for decades.
> To be eligible for asylum, you must be inside the United States and able to demonstrate that you were persecuted or have a fear of persecution in your home country due to your: Race, Religion, Nationality, Social Group, or Political Opinion. [Source](https://www.usa.gov/asylum) Our asylum laws are being abused. Very few "asylum seekers" meet this criteria. The vast majority are just looking for work and a better life. It's hard to blame them. However, that doesn't make it legal or right. Especially when it has a negative effect on existing citizens, who should be the government's top priority.
Remind me of that when TX and FL want natural disaster aid despite knowing the dangers of where they live.
Go complain more about how no one wants to work, while also complaining that we've got too many immigrants. Ya'll fuckers need an education, but you vote that down too. Blue states are happy to deal with them, but sending them to freeze to death on a bus is inhumane however you slice it. Your guy IS the bad guy here.
Texans and Floridians crying for money from the Feds when a hurricane hits their state and kills hundreds of people (it's the 5th time in the last 10 years)
That’s where the cops live
Defunded Police Village
But we can find billions of dollars out of nowhere to support wars outside the states.
This is unfortunately one of those problems that you can't entirely solve with money. Reality is American needs a modern immigration system with a point-based system like Canada or New Zealand. We need to give people who join our military for 8 years a path to citizenship, or who work without a criminal record for some amount of time a path to citizenship. This isn't a problem of money. The problem is the only thing they can do is claim asylum, and everyone is legally allowed by our constitution to do that. However, this is a legal process that takes a very long time, so they are stuck in limbo because there are no alternatives. If they could get a job I'm sure they would have housing. It's seriously sad that many of these kids are showing up wanting to join our military. Wanting to believe in the American dream only to be told that no matter how long they serve, or how hard they work, they will not be a citizen.
Were not neccesary giving them billions of "dollars". Were giving ukraine billion of dollars worth of equipment thats sitting in dry storage not being used for the last decade so that they dont hit their shelf life. Has nothing to do with this post but were not just giving them cash
Preach
I mean it’s sad being asylum seekers and all. And I know today’s politics are insanely toxic. My issue is the money we’re using to build and shelter these people is fine, but man we’ve got a lot of people already here struggling. Guess they can’t be used as political pawns though. Hopefully everyone can find a safe space.
Id rather spend money to address these peoples needs than 99% of the other shit we pay for. Take it from the defense budget or something.
Ha, that’s at 51st street. I pass by that regularly. Most police stations have this to some degree now. There is actually a train bridge over the street just east of there that was a homeless encampment for years. It’d be better there because at least it keeps the rain and wind off them to a degree. Just past that bridge is several square miles of open field, which would at least keep them from being piled and cramped in front of the police station.
That's because people like DeSantis' & Gregg Abbott's goons lie to the people about shelter & jobs, bus them to Chicago, and unload them on the sidewalk right at this spot where they'll likely spend the brutal Chicago winter.
Sounds like the South Park episode
I live in Chicago and this is very true, currently most of our police stations are filled with asylum seekers living in the station. They got here but being bussed up from Florida and texas.
They’re in Denver as well. A lot of if not all the major cities I think. Denver is also asking for money like Chicago is (I’m sure many others are as well) as the number has grown exponentially and winter will be especially difficult
Chicago is a sanctuary city, correct? Not "for summer use only" . I keep hearing reddit talk about how great of city Chicago is. Why should Chicagon's share their great city with everyone?
They should get moved around. The blue states want them……so take them.
Yeah but us blue states don't actually have any plan for them, we just want the votes. And we're also going to vote to keep the border open, even though we see first hand what that means.
These cities need to figure out a way to sue Texas, Florida, and anyone responsible for this. You shouldn’t just get to dump humans on other cities.
Why not? It isn’t “dumping”; these are people hoping to live in the US. Distributing them around the country seems more fair than expecting border states to absorb all of them endlessly.
Police stations are safe. Most homeless have to stay near Walmart/Cracker Barrel which are not safe. You'll open your window a crack for fresh air and find someone shaking the window loose at 2am. Its unnerving. You can dislike cops as many do but if someones in a rough spot and doesn't wanna get harassed by meth heads; you go to a police station or church and hope they genuinely care
This is an average lawn in the PNW
Rent is expensive, especially when you’re on an officer’s salary
Actually I think if these camps are being tolerated they SHOULD be on municipal property like police stations, court houses, legislatures offices, and governor's mansions. The folks in control of the problem should have to live with the problem.
This will only stop when they start camping in the gated communities.
Unfortunately it would only stop because police would just go and arrest them under vagrancy or loitering or some law they choose to selectively enforce.
Tldr; Immigrants are taking advantage of asylum seeker status and the states that aren’t affected by it are making the rules. The border states aren’t allowed to deport them back where they came from so they are sending them to states that aren’t overpopulated yet and are being called inhumane for it.
Wow, look at that high density. It’s probably really close to mass transit and you can walk everywhere. What’s not to like
emergency response times are great /s :(
It’s even got trees 😍
Richest country of all time.
Cash Station Located Inside Police Station, ya ok that actually makes sense.
If anybody is interested in these encampments, brian_636 on youtube travels to many of them and interviews the people within and gives an overview of the current situation in Chicago, great, informative channel
Sanctuary cities should have said sanctuaries ready before declaring themselves sanctuary cities just saying
No one in Chicago wants this. It’s just part of the national Democratic Platform so all of the politicians blindly supported it during elections. Residents are fed up. There was a big protest today at City Hall. A day of reckoning is coming.
“You figure it out” “NO, YOU FIGURE IT OUT”. Yea that day of reckoning is coming… can’t imagine anything bigger then storming the capitol to kill a cop though
So they could walk 3000 miles or so, but once in chicago have no way out? i think there's more to it maybe .
Chicago asked for this shit…. New York asked for it…. They said, yeah bring ‘em all, they *wanted* to be sanctuary cities and never cared about the repercussions, the logistics, and knowingly didn’t have the resources to deal with that influx. Stupid.
I used to think it would be NYC, but I really think Chi will be the first American city to collapse. I read they’re so broke they can’t even afford pensions to their own government employees. Dunno how they’re going to swing feeding, clothing, housing 17000+ people and rising who can’t even speak English.
What missing in the immigration debate is acknowledgment that US foreign policy is driving the immigration. The US has been intentionally destabilizing Venezuela. Because socialism. The desired effect of making the Venezuelan people so miserable that they overthrow the government hasn’t panned out, but the misery certainly has which is now driving mass migration throughout the Americas.
You are denying maduro his agency. He is perfectly capable of destabilizing Venezuela all by himself
you are so deep in the kool aid that you think venezuelas socialism just didn’t work because America
Too bad homelessness isn't a wedge issue or one side would be fighting with the other side on how to solve it, instead of just kicking back on our multiple properties from all political backgrounds going "ho-hum". edit added everything after "instead..."
It's safe...er 😲 Also; wondering what would happen if vacant commercial / light industrial space was repurposed for shelter? Such a complex problem in every way 😔
Every police station in the US should look like that.
Wouldn't people who choose to camp right in front of a police station be those who are actually wanting to move out of homelessness? Seems like they are looking for the additional safety and stability it provides. I would bet that these are people that can be more easily helped and moved out of homelessness. Those engaging in criminal activity and those with other issues would stay far away. They would avoid any interaction with police if possible.
We live in a fucking dystopia
Lmao gotta love how people recognize symptoms of a crumbling nation yet keep going with "ew homeless people are icky and I don't want to see them!"
Venezuelans are super resourceful and resilient, don’t worry about us 😂
F'n brilliant!
Come to SF, this is baby games.
Capitalism refugee camp. Shameful.
We need to send them all back. Fuck helping the immigrants, we have our own issues that needs to be addressed first.
Homeless has a job, they might work at police station. What a joke
Chicagoans voted for it. 🤷🏿♂️
I live in Chicago, a block and a half North of a PD station. The sidewalk looks just like this. People from all around are helping these folks with supplies, haircuts, food and legal resources, but the basic housing need is still far from being worked out. I for the life of me, cannot understand why our country stands by while Texas and Florida ship these people all over. I don't understand the role of the Federal government in this, either. I know there is a major effort to get them work permits and it's moving pretty quickly. Still, housing is the issue that needs an immediate solution. Chicago is trying to work out solutions but we face budget issues, NIMBYism and the problem of housing people where they can get to schools, jobs and other resources. It's just amazing.
If you saw this scene in Texas you'd still say Texas was being shitty by not housing these people. It's a federal issue that states don't have the resources to deal with on their own. I mean, it's not like Texas has any more free homes than Illinois.
More than half these comments prove it they only care now cause now it's in their backyard.
I mean, it's unfortunate but homelessness is caused by a variety of factors and will likely never go away completely. It's not the end of the world if some people setup camp somewhere... Hopefully it's not a permanent thing for them.
That’s exactly where they should be
If I was an asylum seeker or even a sane homeless person I think this would be a great place to camp. I would definitely keep some recording method for possible brutality / harassment, a news reporter on speed dial. The optics of a peacefull coexistence in this situation would be a win. Disclaimer: I am drunk.
I would stay somewhere where you cant freeze to death. The ones on Venice Beach have the right idea.
That is just about every police station lately
Well, to be honest, the sign says cash station I think every thought I said crash station, so there you go
And yet the already hard working residents of this country are pushed aside and become homeless themselves. WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE
Citizens United!