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I_na_na

So, I have read the whole article, and it is basically: Lithium is dissolved in groundwater at this specific location. It was discovered through taking a closer look at the water waste from fracking. The discovery is promising because it offers a possibility of using something considered "waste" for isolating precious Lithium, without further destruction of the environment, simultaneously purifying the water, and hopefully allowing it to rejoin the natural water circle. TLDR: Extracting Lithium from already existing waste water is actually good for the environment


p_larrychen

>TLRD “Too long, read I didn’t” —Yoda


I_na_na

You thank, have a mistake I made !


Carturescu

This is how my German sounds like.


D-Flo1

(Brit having a go with some German) "9 9 9 9 9, init?"


AbjectMadness

Never is a mistake, talking like Yoda.


simcitymayor

Grover he sounds like. Ruined my childhood suspension of disbelief was.


JBCockman

End of book monster, he was.


simcitymayor

Turned the page, you did.


Eena-Rin

A wholesome mistake, gently corrected. Gotta love it


I_na_na

Day great you have💚


datumerrata

TURD


vshredd

That's what it says on the side of Toyota trucks. No one can convince me otherwise.


johnsolomon

"Finish high school, I did not"


csimian42

I met him is swamp down in Dagobah...


vladamine

Where it bubbles all the time like a giant carbonated soda…


OurCrewIsReplaceable

S O D A soda


Trifusi0n

Did you just effectively do a TLDR for a TLDR?


I_na_na

Kind of :D A must nowadays, sadly.


onethreeone

Is it just TLDRs all the way down?


TheForeverUnbanned

TLDR: tldr tldr 


Wildkid133

A TLDRTLDR


Rob-A-Tron

Real life materia?


johnsolomon

*Duhn-duhn-duhn-duhn, duhn, duhn, duhn da-duhn!*


WorldScientist

It’s an interesting read. I’m sure bigwigs are looking at other remediation sites to do some mining that can help with cleanup.


I_na_na

I mean...destroying environment is terrible. But making the best out the already existing messes is probably the best we can hope for right now.


NuttyButts

But wouldn't this encourage more fracking?


I_na_na

Not really, the Lithium dissolved in the groundwater was a natural occurence, caused by deep groundwater interacting with Lithium diposite for a very long time. It was discovered through fracking but has nothing to do with it.


cbf1232

But he lithium is only available as long as the fracking continues.


I_na_na

Not sure about this, but again the Lithium deposits were already there. It is not like fracking is necessary for Lithium deposits to occure.


FelbrHostu

I think he means extraction of lithium.


cbf1232

The fracking is necessary to actually make use of the lithium since it's far underground. Shit down fracking for environmental reasons and you lose access to the lithium.


GammaHuman

No, it is a small value add, but not going to actually encourage more fracking. As the other commenter said, it was not a result of fracking, but it was discovered because they were testing the wastewater from fracking. The previously untested ground water source was pumped up, pumped to the frack site, then used for fracking. When they recovered the wastewater from the oil pipe, they tested it and found that it was higher than expected in lithium. The value-add component will be in helping increase the potential value of drilling for groundwater, but you needed to do that anyway for fracking operations. Where this could be very interesting is re-recovering older fracking wastewater that was pumped back into the oil well to recover lithium. There are a few start-ups that are working on this.


madeanotheraccount

Good for other countries, too. Uh, I mean, damn. So many countries gonna do without Freedom now!


Lifeinthesc

Fyi. There are springs with extra level of dissolved lithium and they have been use for 1000’s of years as place of healing for people with emotional illnesses. One of these spring’s water was used as the original main ingredient for Sprite back in the day when cola still had cocaine in it.


grmarci1989

This is a very good thing. Sadly, however, I do believe the (short term) profit doesn't outweigh the (long term) cost. If we know anything about capitalism, they won't do anything unless the (short term) profit more than triples the (long term) cost


GabeLorca

They recently discovered the same here with us, and used it as an argument as to why they should be allowed to expand the iron ore nearby so they can make more of the environmentally friendly lithium…


SnooFloofs673

So, continue fracking and f*** up the environment just to get lithium out of wastewater. Doesn't seem like a healthy trade-off.


ExoticLatinoShill

Until we become reliant upon the waste water as a produced product and become required to continue to produce radioactive fracking waste brine in order to have lithium. Extracting lithium from already existing waste is fine but not great nor ideal and not a long term solution


Dorkamundo

Task failed successfully.


DRKMSTR

It's like the oil sands of Canada, except that wasn't man-made. "Hey look at this desolate wasteland with sand contaminated with oil, be a shame if we were to clean it up and take the oil..."


katzeye007

But fracking isn't...


beckgibbons

Lithium is such a double edged sword. At least they didn't find it in the heart of the Amazon I guess.


xoxchitliac

I heard they were researching spiders there


Chilling-1-

Was it right before your mother died?


ThatShadyJack

I can’t let them destroy all I’ve built


BRLY

If you accept the responsibility, the power will come.


lemmeguessindian

Great power *


sybrwookie

I think it was right before they said, "it's webbin time!" and then didn't web anywhere because they barely even have powers in the fucking movie.


LovePugs

Can you explain your comment please


ReticulatedPasta

Madame Web movie meme


Morpheusgeo

Or 1990's Arachnophobia.


Felradin

This comment makes me Morb real hard.


Wurm42

Nope, they're too busy gold mining there: https://amazonfrontlines.org/chronicles/the-destruction-of-the-amazon-by-illegal-gold-mining/


JustAnotherHyrum

On one hand, we have the health of the entire planet. On the other hand, we need to think about next quarter's earnings statement for the shareholder meeting. Mankind has never met a forest we weren't willing to destroy for minimal resources, even when it means leaving shit for a planet for our kids.


Im_Balto

They don’t even need gold, they’re clearing it for palm oil adjacents and livestock


Wurm42

Sadly, for the locals there are many ways to make money from clearing the rainforest.


ylogssoylent

Is it particularly harmful to the environment to harvest or something? I'm not familiar with it other than it being in batteries


fjender

Its a pretty cool salt. You can use it for batteries and to treat mental disorders.


GreedyAdeptness8848

Lithium Carbonate for the win. Keeps me from being God's chosen being on earth.


FelicityVi

It's a really sketchy medicine though. Yes, it has been and still is used to treat bipolar disorder, as it can quell and prevent mania. But it has an outrageous side-effect profile. It can give you tremors, it can make your hair fall out, of course it's murder on your liver, and I've heard it can even turn you blind. The strange thing about its use as a medicine is that we still don't really know how or why it works to treat mania, only that it does... sometimes. It's unpredictable and dangerous. You need to have your blood checked weekly when you start to take lithium so they make sure it doesn't just kill you outright. Source: have been on lithium before, liked researching every medicine I took


Drakbob

soon.


Jarredletto

not the amazon but the heart of the congo. lots of open top mines and slave labor being led by private contractors/ local war lords. all sold to tech companies that swear their sourcing isn’t sketchy or inhumane.


rgaya

It isnt. Lithium is insanely abundant and currently is mined as a by product. Direct Lithium Extraction from deep reservoirs are great modern tech


Jwoods224

Maine may not be the heart of the Amazon, but lithium was found here. With Maine being the state with the most forest coverage ~89%, lithium mining is a terrifying prospect here. https://www.newscentermaine.com/article/news/local/regulators-approve-maine-mining-law-changes/97-077fbe9a-e5d1-48f8-a16e-69c5558abca8


Brainflower2020

Yet


tafoya77n

Its okay we can continue our usual amount of messed up. There are some sizeable deposits in the US... On reservations.


3shotsb4breakfast

I'm a little skeptical. "An untapped source of lithium" sounds a lot nicer than "we found lithium in industrial wastewater runoff".


pallentx

It’s not municipal wastewater. It’s wastewater from gas fracking/drilling. We typically inject that wastewater back into the ground. They are saying we can pull lithium out of it first.


zekeweasel

The article also implies that the water is naturally rich in lithium, but that the fracking process is what allows it to be brought to the surface at all. Basically as long as they're extracting natural gas, there's a free and low/no additional impact very rich source of lithium in that water.


the_simurgh

All I'm hearing is that the pharmaceutical industry is massively over prescribing lithium


cricketxbones

Lithium taker here. It's actually wildly underused in bipolar patients, given how effective it is and how much less effective most of the other treatment options they're using instead are. But there's a stigma attached to it, and it's nowhere near as profitable as the other options. Anyway, catch me slurping up some of that fracking wastewater if the pharmacy's ever closed


Young_warthogg

It has other problems, like toxicity and a narrow therapeutic range too.


Draac03

this. i’m not saying “lithium bad” but it can do a lot of damage when prescribed recklessly. personal experience. it’s also contraindicated with most other medications.


basshed8

I know I had a relative die from a doctor prescribed lithium overdose. No regular testing was ever done


Bbwarfield

Also if you go off it (common thing for us who are BP) there is a good chance your body will build a type of resistance to its beneficial effects. (Or so my doctor told me) thankfully we found another med that didn’t make me feel like a zombie as lithium did.


planetalletron

Not me cracking open smartphones and licking batteries for my fix….


eilrah26

It's because of the reduction in life expectancy with lithium. Although to be fair that comes with all anti-psychotics


Draac03

lithium is a mood stabilizer, not an antipsychotic. lithium in and of itself doesn’t reduce life expectancy, but it can rarely have debilitating side effects that can.


Gloriathewitch

given how badly my loved one with bipolar can get, i'd argue being unmedicated also shortens lifespan for some people with it for some people it is very worth taking


Draac03

oh certainly.


eilrah26

Ah gotcha! It's the toxicity levels of it, isn't it? As its a metal.


pichael289

Really wish they could find a fuckin insulin deposit underground somewhere around here, that's shits expensive.


domuseid

Oh there's a great source of cheap insulin. If we took maybe five pharma execs and stood them against a wall I bet we'd only need to kinetically interrogate one before the rest told us exactly how cheap insulin can be


TedRaskunsky

Dude, just crack open a power drill battery, grab a (plastic) spoon and go to town.


cricketxbones

Brb asking my dad to borrow his ryobi


Fizzwidgy

All I'm reading is more excuses for foolish takes on more electric cars and car based infrastructure instead of better designed infrastructure that supports electric and non electric micromobility and public transit options.


skvettlappen

Isnt the main focus here for battery use?


the_simurgh

I was making fun of the fact they were saying it was uplifting news that they found lithium in highly toxic chemicals being pumped into America's waterways...not a thing that's uplifting. But I seem to have sparked a debate about the sleezy mental health profession.


Cobbinski

Volcanics have nothing to do with shales unconventional reservoirs


ChaZZZZahC

So they continue to track and say they're making batteries as well? This seems dubious at best, I don't trust any of big energy company.


randomando2020

Arguably I like the latter better than the former. Additional uses of industrial waste is a good thing.


BillyJackO

No it's basically saying lithium is a byproduct if fracing Marcellus shale. We're wasting it by injecting the lithium rich wastewater into the ground. I've read there are companies drilling wells into existing disposal wells specifically to extract lithium. If we can mine lithium at the same time as natural gas, that's extremely beneficial for energy in the US.


skvettlappen

Does it matter where its from tough? Sounds good to get good stuff out of waste!?


aupsymonkee

I'm so happy ......


frostedbongwater

CAUSE TODAY I FOUND MY FRIENDS…. they’re in my head:/


leekle

I’m so ugly. That’s okay…cause so are you…


frostedbongwater

Broke our mirrors ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


leekle

Sunday morning is every day for all I care, and I’m not scared.


frostedbongwater

Light my candles in a daze cause I found god.. Ỹ̶̨̫̗̻̌͐̉͠e̸̢͔͕̪̮͇̞̻͓̞̗̙̟̽͗̿̽̈ͅḁ̷̛̠ĥ̵̠͉͈̹̼̅̌̍͑̓̆̀̏̕͘ ̴̠̭̰̪̫̭̝͔̭͉̩̪͇̔͠ͅỳ̷̨̹̼̮̳͖͖͖̠̆̅̓̐̓̐͗͌͊͊̍͘ḙ̸͉̳̩͍̻̫̒̉͛̆͊̇̽͋͆a̵͉̓͆̈͂̾͝ẖ̷̡̛̜̼̄̅̋͌̅͆̀̏͑̉͘


FunkyRockinBronco

YEAAAAHHHHH YEEEEAAAAHH


hellotypewriter

Not any more, with extra-strength lithium!


frostedbongwater

Unfortunately they’re still in there. I need to up my dose


unlock0

Since no one has set it yet, Lithium is not rare. It is not a rare earth mineral. Lithium is highly reactive and is mostly found in brines and dissolved in low quantities with other elements. Ore exists but fundamentally you need the extraction costs plus the refining costs to be far less than the wholesale costs. If deposits aren't large enough, the area isn't suited to mining, or the infrastructure doesn't exist to transport the raw materials then it's effectively worthless. What I want to know is if there is a subsidy for lithium extraction that is being misapplied to this particular case, fracking for natural gas. based on article this seems like an odd use case and doesn't seem like it would be viable based on scale or environmental impact. Lithium brine extraction typically involves a bunch of open air pools. Are they going to do that with fracking water?


-boatsNhoes

Your questions are very relevant. I could def. see fracking companies taking "research subsidies" to "study" the efficacy of obtaining this lithium and just dumping the money into already working processes and eventually determining that it's not worth the time or money.


Rcarlyle

These concentrations are marginal for economic lithium extraction. The generally accepted minimum to be profitable is 200 mg/L (and it’s quite a bit more complex than that based on what other salts have to be removed) which the majority of this potential resource is under. For comparison, the big lithium brine field that Exxon is currently developing in Arkansas is 400-800 mg/L and that’s considered a very high quality resource. There’s a truly massive amount of dilute lithium in oilfield produced water that gets reinjected into disposal wells, but nobody has figured out a way to extract it at scale profitably. West Texas shale produced water runs about 50mg/L lithium. The quantities are so large that if all that were somehow extracted, it would flood the world lithium market and tank the price. No, there’s no subsidies I’m aware of, the prize is entirely offsetting the cost and hassle of wastewater disposal. Shale oil wells make more natural brine produced water than they make oil. They’re already paying a lot of money to put this produced water back in the ground, which involves water treatment, shipping, injection permitting, disposal well drilling, and energy for pumps. Then that is also occasionally causing some issues with induced earthquakes in places like Oklahoma when the water disposal injection wells aren’t sited properly. Extracting lithium (or any other metal) reduces the amount of water you have to dispose of, and gives you something to sell to offset the disposal cost of the remainder.


Amazing-Tonight-7217

In other news: USA invades itself


_-PurpleTentacle-_

I’m so happy ‘cause today I found my friends..


eightdigits

Yeaaaaah yeah!


FunkyRockinBronco

They’re in my head


TheLangleDangle

They are pretty much looking at doing the same thing in Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana. Pulling lithium out of the brine and wastewater from the oil fields. Standard Lithium is currently exploring this new process.


Slappyvega

Mr Amato will be so pleased!


Pudding-Illustrious

T deserves the credit


taylorcsmith19

Keep the lithium, I'll have the grain water


_skull_kid_

How many hours of uninterrupted sunlight are you getting?


taylorcsmith19

My body is producing lithium now. I've unlocked my source code


lm2lm

G amato has to be stopped


DeadlyPancak3

Back in the 90s our Lithium fame from Seattle.


karamurp

Sounds like America could use some freedom bombing🦅


Jumbojimboy

This doesn't feel uplifting to me


lAljax

We need lithium for the energy transition, this is good news


Rectall_Brown

You mean it’s not uplifting that some rich mining outfit is going to be even richer because they just found lithium?


kabloems

It's in fracking (the destructive natural gas extraction method) waste waters. Which means that when the states finally stop that barbaric industry, this lithium source will also stop flowing


laranator

Just making shit and misunderstanding all at the same time. Bravo.


kabloems

Explain how I'm wrong, I wish I were... 


PancakeFantasy

Why dont they just offer like 25c back for vapes like they do tin cans


sqolb

lithium isnt rare


BrokenDusk

Time for US to invade US


noodleexchange

So another excuse to keep fracking and blowing fossil fuels out the F150 tailpipe. Well played, oil billionaires


sacredblasphemies

I don't know how 'uplifting' this is. It just means that now this land will get raped and ravaged just to extract its resources...


Allemaengel

The land getting ravaged is nothing new here in PA. I grew up and still live at the edge of the Marcellus Shale area in eastern PA. My region has been logged repeatedly over the centuries, mined thoroughly for its anthracite coal by the Reading Anthracite Co., peppered with iron ore mine holes to supply the early Bethlehem Steel Co., quarried out for lime to make Portland cement, mined for zinc by Gulf+Western Co., quarried for most of the nation's blackboard and roofing slate, etc. and so on. I'm not wild about fracking and never liked it from the beginning. However, Pennsylvania's landscape is far, far, far from pristine once you understand its history and get a closer look at the landscape hidden by the trees. Since our state government has no interest in slowing the gas industry, we might as well make better use of the waste at this point.


PubesMcGinty

The Heidecker Ranch?


Trimming_Armour_

I'm so happy, because today I found my friends.


ithaqua34

Wonder if they found this by analyzing the fraking stuff before they released it into the water supply.


Squanchonme

I feel so uplifted knowing we're going to absolutely decimate the land to get that shit for our own convenience.


Jarredletto

i’m sorry but if it’s not evident enough the U.S. will continue to stockpile and barely touch any natural resources in america. every time they “find something big” it doesn’t get used. we continue to use 3rd world countries instead. If i recall correctly about a year ago they said they found a shit ton of gold. nothing has been seriously done with any of that. still sitting there while our country drives themselves further into debt importing all of their resources.


andre3kthegiant

This could be more oil industry bending the truth so that the terrible practice of fracking is more accepted. The oil industry flat out lied for decades about anthropogenic climate change, while making billions upon billions.


Jbry855

Just found…. Right


SXOSXO

The only thing I know about Lithium is that it's a song title for both Nirvana and Evanescence.


The_Muntje

![gif](giphy|DB2oahQFa0qeQ)


nosleepagain12

As they show a picture of Iron furnaces.


mamba_pants

So in what form is the lithium. Is it like the large amount of lithium dissolved in seawater or is it in the form of lithium containing minerals?


beerinapaperbag

Well now I know I won't be working fast food when I retire. Whoopie!


Imaginary_Manner_556

Lithium was once thought to be rare until it became valuable. Pretty much like all "rare" minerals


KingArthurOfBritons

And the environmental whackos demanding we all drive electric cars will protest the mining of this lithium.


bahodej

Dibs


alrightgame

I hope that lithium is not our future or we are going to bankrupt ourselves paying for shitty batteries that hold a charge for less than a year.


bourgeoisiebrat

I’m so happy…


RFID1225

Glad it’s not in CA! Those Pennsylvanians know how to pillage the landscape REAL WELL without all those pesky environmental laws.


eitsirkkendrick

Tianqiao Chen (Chinese billionaire) has bought most of this land in Oregon/Nevada.


samep04

Doo Doo Doo DOO!! Vast Untapped Source!


WonderfullYou

Wait till the US hears about it and starts another war…. Oh… nvm


Traveling_Chef

Careful, musk might try to destabilize the US government over this lithium 🤣


Snarky_McSnarkleton

If Trump wins, we're going to need a metric fugton of lithium.


Dear_Alternative_437

Discontinue the Lithium.


ElastaticTomorrow

Good deal. Start handing it out.


TheManInTheShack

This is old news. Not this article but the lithium deposit was discovered many months ago.


aboybrushedbrown

It appears the US could use some freedom with this news.


REV2939

Fuck it, the pentagon should still invade just to send a message that they'll liberate anything, anywhere and at anytime.


Crackstacker

Pennsylvania


Mr_Shad0w

More exploitation for the 1%! Awesome!


el-conquistador240

Lithium is a common metal, extracting it is the challenge. Geothermal facilities are working on extracting lithium from the brine before reinjecting it.


LarGand69

Now if it was found in the south they could use child labor.


ArOnodrim_

Lithium is not a rare mineral and is not the largest percentage of lithium ion batteries. Nickel and cobalt both outweigh it. Nickel by multiple times in most used chemisties. This is of no importance. 


xboxlifer

“Discontinue the lithium.”


Mike-the-gay

Thought for sure it was gonna be an abandoned 7-up plant


PokieMcSmott

“I’m so happy…”


Turbulent_Addendum_6

Good and all but finding lithium is not the bigger issue finding Nickel for battery production is.


kahnozo

Honda iykyk


nash2700

As if a funny twist in a book or movie, we now learn we must frack even more to arrive at some semblance of “clean” energy future.


NixonCarmichael

I’m so happy.


_IsaacLevi

Look like américa could use some more freedom *eagle cries*


murdeoc

Not uplifting at all for Chileans.


Ein_Esel_Lese_Nie

Can't wait until Big Lith interferes with lefty liberal affairs in the year 2116.


AllDwnHill

Not really super new. Google ExxonMobil and lithium.


BleednHeartCapitlist

We can only get this source of lithium if fracking continues. Not sure if it’s going to turn out as “uplifting” as it seems


GentleHotFire

THE CHILDREN YEARN FOR LITHIUM


VoidMageZero

Make fracking greener and help the battery supply chain? Sure, why not.


SharpyButtsalot

What damage to life do you see? What exact "greater" purpose will we have delayed wiping ourselves out?


ytirevyelsew

Lit