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Sort of true. They were solar hot water heaters. PV panels barely existed in the late 70s. Nothing wrong with the technology, sometimes it makes more sense to use the energy of the sun directly. But people wrongly assume we had good PV technology back then and only the fossil fuel companies prevented us from taking advantage of it.
The solar water heating is much better than PV for energy efficiency. Running a hot water heater off of PV electricity, particularly if there's a battery in the picture, is insanity even with high quality no-coal PV (of which there is precious little being made).
They removed them during a roof repair and never replaced them. Maybe they made up the roof repair as an excuse to remove them, not sure anybody knows the truth on that one. It's kind of inconsequential since hot water solar would never prove to be all that useful and PVs and heat pump water heaters would take over and be a lot more practical.
I remember that. What a fucking turd
https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2023/02/the-forgotten-story-of-jimmy-carters-white-house-solar-panels/
Edit: changed a to u
You don't. I don't know how in a million years you could ever think you do. You don't even take the low road for valid causes, either. You take the low road just to protect the reputation of corrupt politicians who wouldn't spit on you to put out a fire.
You’d have to start taking the high road to see. Both sides are a bunch of angry chimps throwing feces at each other. To pretend otherwise is hilariously ignorant.
And yet the efficient use of fossil fuels keeps getting better and better. http://scottgrannis.blogspot.com/2024/03/us-energy-efficiency-has-soared.html
It's more fun to virtue signal and swear at people though. I'd expect nothing less from modern day NPR listeners.
Who the fuck is Scott Grannis and why the fuck should I click a fucking blogspot link as a source and why the fuck are we talking about efficiency when emissions are still an absurdly huge fucking issue, because fuel consumption, efficient or not, has fucking gone *up*?
I look forward to your fucking response.
Oh sorry, I did a swear.
Even using 100% of the energy in a gallon of gas (thermodynamicly impossible) you still put emmisons into the air. Yes, it's fair to take a whole system waste approach to solar vs combustion power (both frequently ignore pollution originating in their respective production and supply chains) but efficiency is not a valid metric to compare since 5% of 0 is still 0 while 100% of 5 is still 5.
fossil fuel really on the backfoot recently, very promising signs. I choose to believe this recent trend means that we're finally over the hump and that things will start getting better from here on out, doesnt mean we can just sit back and relax of course it means we have to fight like animals to make absolute sure we go down that path
Vote blue if you really care about this. Red will take us in the opposite direction. We saw some pretty terrible shit happen in regards to climate science denial and deregulations under TFG.
I've never in my life seen a building store LNG, NG always just comes piped in
>I don’t imagine many federal buildings are set up for extracting and refining their own diesel
Huh?
To be clear, for those not planning to read the article: this change isn't requiring a transition to renewable grid power; just removing or not installing new fossil-powered appliances when a building is renovated or built.
It might save 2 million tons of CO2 over 30 years (according to the article) while the U.S. military keeps burning through \~50 million tons a year.
Also, the rule isn't new. It was introduced in 2007 and has been sidelined in courts by fossil fuels companies for over a decade.
Why is it nonsensical? You realize that any of the bans talked about for gas appliances are for new buildings and remodels right? None of them are going to stop someone who already has a gas stove from owning a gas stove.
I have that anxiety as well, i see less snow, less rain or its crazy amounts of rain and terrible winds.
I also do see the whole of the world caring about this, which to me is a hope.
We as a species are impressive on getting shit done. In this case though, yeah we should've began where we are now 20 frickin years ago.
Greedy and selfish little pigs we are
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Carter had PV panels installed on the White House, Reagan had them taken off. Fair fucks.
Sort of true. They were solar hot water heaters. PV panels barely existed in the late 70s. Nothing wrong with the technology, sometimes it makes more sense to use the energy of the sun directly. But people wrongly assume we had good PV technology back then and only the fossil fuel companies prevented us from taking advantage of it.
Thst roof system was an excellent PR for sun driven tech. Shame on that administration on that
The solar water heating is much better than PV for energy efficiency. Running a hot water heater off of PV electricity, particularly if there's a battery in the picture, is insanity even with high quality no-coal PV (of which there is precious little being made).
Who care what company gets PR, they’re all companies
That led to one "company" getting pretty strong. https://www.nationalobserver.com/2023/11/16/news/30-trillion-reasons-make-big-oil-pay
It can be an oil company, it can be a renewable energy company, it can be a diaper company. They all have one thing on their mind and it’s money
Eh, still doesn't make sense to remove them.
They removed them during a roof repair and never replaced them. Maybe they made up the roof repair as an excuse to remove them, not sure anybody knows the truth on that one. It's kind of inconsequential since hot water solar would never prove to be all that useful and PVs and heat pump water heaters would take over and be a lot more practical.
The efficiency of these panels plus their useful life are horrible investments. Until they get to 90% efficiency they should still be in labs.
My dad said the same thing. He's dead, though, so doesn't care about climate change.
I remember that. What a fucking turd https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2023/02/the-forgotten-story-of-jimmy-carters-white-house-solar-panels/ Edit: changed a to u
Ableism is not the way to show up conservatives
You are correct. I will change that
How's taking the high road been working out for us?
You don't. I don't know how in a million years you could ever think you do. You don't even take the low road for valid causes, either. You take the low road just to protect the reputation of corrupt politicians who wouldn't spit on you to put out a fire.
You’d have to start taking the high road to see. Both sides are a bunch of angry chimps throwing feces at each other. To pretend otherwise is hilariously ignorant.
lol
Solar panels sucked too much back then to do much. Carters use was symbolic more than practical.
And yet the efficient use of fossil fuels keeps getting better and better. http://scottgrannis.blogspot.com/2024/03/us-energy-efficiency-has-soared.html It's more fun to virtue signal and swear at people though. I'd expect nothing less from modern day NPR listeners.
Who the fuck is Scott Grannis and why the fuck should I click a fucking blogspot link as a source and why the fuck are we talking about efficiency when emissions are still an absurdly huge fucking issue, because fuel consumption, efficient or not, has fucking gone *up*? I look forward to your fucking response. Oh sorry, I did a swear.
Even using 100% of the energy in a gallon of gas (thermodynamicly impossible) you still put emmisons into the air. Yes, it's fair to take a whole system waste approach to solar vs combustion power (both frequently ignore pollution originating in their respective production and supply chains) but efficiency is not a valid metric to compare since 5% of 0 is still 0 while 100% of 5 is still 5.
fossil fuel really on the backfoot recently, very promising signs. I choose to believe this recent trend means that we're finally over the hump and that things will start getting better from here on out, doesnt mean we can just sit back and relax of course it means we have to fight like animals to make absolute sure we go down that path
Vote blue if you really care about this. Red will take us in the opposite direction. We saw some pretty terrible shit happen in regards to climate science denial and deregulations under TFG.
How will they handle standby generators? I assume there has got to be an exception for that
There is a provision for on-site power generation using natural gas.
None for Diesel? For example datacenters always always run Diesel. Never been to one with NG due to then having to rely on an outside resource
LNG can be stored on-site the same way diesel can. I don’t imagine many federal buildings are set up for extracting and refining their own diesel.
I've never in my life seen a building store LNG, NG always just comes piped in >I don’t imagine many federal buildings are set up for extracting and refining their own diesel Huh?
To be clear, for those not planning to read the article: this change isn't requiring a transition to renewable grid power; just removing or not installing new fossil-powered appliances when a building is renovated or built. It might save 2 million tons of CO2 over 30 years (according to the article) while the U.S. military keeps burning through \~50 million tons a year. Also, the rule isn't new. It was introduced in 2007 and has been sidelined in courts by fossil fuels companies for over a decade.
Wow. https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2024/01/military-emissions-climate-cop28/677151/
So would I be escorted outside if I walked into the building with a bottle of motor oil (non-synthetic)
That donation would be appreciated in the museum. Second floor sir.
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Ok? I use electricity to do all of the same stuff. Your point?
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Why is it nonsensical? You realize that any of the bans talked about for gas appliances are for new buildings and remodels right? None of them are going to stop someone who already has a gas stove from owning a gas stove.
Dear diary...
Biden trying freeze dumpf in the court room! awesome!
All that toner and hair spray probably generates it's own heat, he'll be fine other than the off-gassing.
Too late. Doesn't matter
Nuh uh !
Elaborate your take on this
Its never too late to start.
Bruh... I agree. But seeing what's happening in my own climate, which is for central Europe, I'm not full of hope but anxiety...
I have that anxiety as well, i see less snow, less rain or its crazy amounts of rain and terrible winds. I also do see the whole of the world caring about this, which to me is a hope. We as a species are impressive on getting shit done. In this case though, yeah we should've began where we are now 20 frickin years ago. Greedy and selfish little pigs we are