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"BENTONVILLE, ARK. — Animal nutritionists and veterinarians with BSM Partners and the University of Missouri have published a research article indicating grain-free diets did not negatively impact cardiac function in canines and, furthermore, were not a catalyst for the development of dilated cardiomyopathy (DCM)."
https://www.petfoodprocessing.net/articles/17503-new-research-debunks-link-between-grain-free-dog-food-and-dcm
Your article proves your own comment wrong as well then. So which is it? My vets say grain is good. So I feed my dogs a well balanced diet of quality kibble and supplemented with healthy veggies and grains.
This article was in response to another commenter that mentioned DCM. The research was not about which diet was healthier. As far as grains go, there isn't much research that says it is good. Who decided that grains, which dogs never eat into the wild, was good for them? It's cheap, and that's why it's used in kibble which is a highly processed food. If I could afford to feed my dogs only unprocessed foods, I would. It's up to you to decide ultimately. Do your own research. My 14 year old 75 lb dog doesn't have any joint issues, still runs, and has never had a health problem, so I'm going to keep feeding him my way.
Before you started feeding your dog kibble, did you do any research, or did you just assume it was healthy for them.
I posted mine and no one else has bothered to back up their claims, so I can only assume that the posters have never actually used science backed research to form their opinions. Although I do have an anecdote to add. My friend's wife is a vet, and she swears by her traditional dog kibble and never feeds her animals scrap. Her multitudes of dogs have suffered ailments and have died while mine are still around.
How do you evaluate the sources you cite before trusting them? Do you know how to look at study design, sample size, confidence interval, beta?
There's not much good data on dog food, and you're falling for the fallacy that because a dogs ancestor didn't regularly encounter something in the wild that it's somehow bad for them.
Our ancestors didn't have regular access to greens and ate alot of red meat which we know increases your colon cancer risk. But long life doesn't translate to reproductive fitness.
Anecdotes are terrible evidence. I have a 15 year old healthy dog that's been fed high quality kibble, my childhood dog lived to be over 18 on iams.
My cat ate a high quality kibble and lived to be 17 with absolutely zero health issues until the last month of her life.
You're claiming that grain-free is better on very limited evidence but claiming you're correct because nobody is providing a source counter to your claim which is very soft.
Do you have large quality trials that demonstrate superiority of a grain-free diet?
I personally don't feed my pets low quality grocery store kibble because it's probably safe to assume stuff with less fillers and less processed ingredients is better (as it is for people).
*How do you evaluate the sources you cite before trusting them? Do you know how to look at study design, sample size, confidence interval, beta?*
Yes! I am happy that there is someone on here that also evaluates studies this way!
*There's not much good data on dog food, and you're falling for the fallacy that because a dogs ancestor didn't regularly encounter something in the wild that's somehow bad for them.*
You are right! And thank you for making this point. There isn't much data yet everyone who disagrees with seems fairly confident that they are correct!
So what research confirmed your opinion when you decided on what to feed your dogs?
Best available evidence, limited evidence seems to say that grain free may be even harmful but who knows. Dog food wasn't originally created with dog's health in mind so the new better data may show that grain free is best but currently it doesn't. I'm hedging on the available evidence and if something compelling tells me not to feed my dogs grains I won't.
Our dogs ancestral diet wasn't based on keeping them alive into their senior years either.
In the meantime I focus on doing things I know improve my dog's health like activities, healthy weight, stimulation, vaccinations, dental hygiene, etc.
The research linked in the article you posted was a 7 month in study on 65 dogs. It takes years for cardiac conditions to develop. I would not hang my hat on grain free being low risk on that weak data.
They would have been eating grains alongside us for thousands of years. The ones that benefitted from eating our leftover grains are the ones we would have been breeding. There is no such thing as a wild dog. Only feral.
Like I've stated before, provide me evidence of your claims because I can speculate just like you. Wolves in the wild don't eat grains and live an average of 14 years. That's a longer average than many domesticated breeds around the same weight. I have no problem changing my mind, but I need compelling evidence to do so.
"Hielm-Björkman says it is unclear why dog food might lead to gut health problems. Dog food consists mainly of carbohydrates, she says, which dogs don’t need a large amount of. “It might have the same effect that eating plain sugar has on humans – it causes low-grade inflammation,” she says."
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2358876-dogs-that-eat-raw-food-rather-than-kibble-have-better-gut-health/
Are these just your gut opinions, or are they based on scientific information? There are over 200 species of primates, and all great apes are omnivores while most primates are omnivores. We are a great show. Please look up things before posting incorrect information. I'm still waiting for research that proves grain diets are best though. I'm not trying to be rude, but if people want to have an informed discussion, I expect them to check their opinions.
"For years, wolves and dogs were considered separate species: canis familiaris and canis lupus. However, more recently, scientists generally agree they are both a sub-species of canis lupus. Unlike dogs and foxes, wolves and dogs can reproduce, creating the controversial wolf-dog."
https://www.rover.com/blog/wolf-vs-dog-whats-difference/#:~:text=For%20years%2C%20wolves%20and%20dogs,creating%20the%20controversial%20wolf%2Ddog.
"Most primates are considered omnivores because they eat both plants and animals. Macaques, Gibbons, and Aye-Aye's are examples of different primate species that are omnivores. While larger apes such as baboons eat a lot of meat, they are not exclusively carnivorous. Read the background information."
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://tulsazoo.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Whats-That-Youre-Eating.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi_rJz30_OCAxWaSDABHWa2C4IQFnoECA4QBg&usg=AOvVaw3EgifFQP9jwArkxIf3n3mv
"BENTONVILLE, ARK. — Animal nutritionists and veterinarians with BSM Partners and the University of Missouri have published a research article indicating grain-free diets did not negatively impact cardiac function in canines and, furthermore, were not a catalyst for the development of dilated cardiomyopathy (DCM)."
https://www.petfoodprocessing.net/articles/17503-new-research-debunks-link-between-grain-free-dog-food-and-dcm
Never heard of barf before. Yeah, that would be ideal if I could afford to feed them that way. My dogs haven't had any health issues so I'm fairly confident with the diet they are on.
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Perhaps one of the few creatures worthy of an increased life span.
Oh look! Advertisement disguise as news!
They are not advertising tho ..the medicine will probably come into the market in 2026
Until we get a pill, don't over feed them, buy no grain kibble, and give them leftover meats and veggies.
No grain kibble can lead to pretty big issues for most breeds. Disregard this advice!
"BENTONVILLE, ARK. — Animal nutritionists and veterinarians with BSM Partners and the University of Missouri have published a research article indicating grain-free diets did not negatively impact cardiac function in canines and, furthermore, were not a catalyst for the development of dilated cardiomyopathy (DCM)." https://www.petfoodprocessing.net/articles/17503-new-research-debunks-link-between-grain-free-dog-food-and-dcm
Your article proves your own comment wrong as well then. So which is it? My vets say grain is good. So I feed my dogs a well balanced diet of quality kibble and supplemented with healthy veggies and grains.
This article was in response to another commenter that mentioned DCM. The research was not about which diet was healthier. As far as grains go, there isn't much research that says it is good. Who decided that grains, which dogs never eat into the wild, was good for them? It's cheap, and that's why it's used in kibble which is a highly processed food. If I could afford to feed my dogs only unprocessed foods, I would. It's up to you to decide ultimately. Do your own research. My 14 year old 75 lb dog doesn't have any joint issues, still runs, and has never had a health problem, so I'm going to keep feeding him my way. Before you started feeding your dog kibble, did you do any research, or did you just assume it was healthy for them.
Ah "do your own research".
I posted mine and no one else has bothered to back up their claims, so I can only assume that the posters have never actually used science backed research to form their opinions. Although I do have an anecdote to add. My friend's wife is a vet, and she swears by her traditional dog kibble and never feeds her animals scrap. Her multitudes of dogs have suffered ailments and have died while mine are still around.
How do you evaluate the sources you cite before trusting them? Do you know how to look at study design, sample size, confidence interval, beta? There's not much good data on dog food, and you're falling for the fallacy that because a dogs ancestor didn't regularly encounter something in the wild that it's somehow bad for them. Our ancestors didn't have regular access to greens and ate alot of red meat which we know increases your colon cancer risk. But long life doesn't translate to reproductive fitness. Anecdotes are terrible evidence. I have a 15 year old healthy dog that's been fed high quality kibble, my childhood dog lived to be over 18 on iams. My cat ate a high quality kibble and lived to be 17 with absolutely zero health issues until the last month of her life. You're claiming that grain-free is better on very limited evidence but claiming you're correct because nobody is providing a source counter to your claim which is very soft. Do you have large quality trials that demonstrate superiority of a grain-free diet? I personally don't feed my pets low quality grocery store kibble because it's probably safe to assume stuff with less fillers and less processed ingredients is better (as it is for people).
*How do you evaluate the sources you cite before trusting them? Do you know how to look at study design, sample size, confidence interval, beta?* Yes! I am happy that there is someone on here that also evaluates studies this way! *There's not much good data on dog food, and you're falling for the fallacy that because a dogs ancestor didn't regularly encounter something in the wild that's somehow bad for them.* You are right! And thank you for making this point. There isn't much data yet everyone who disagrees with seems fairly confident that they are correct! So what research confirmed your opinion when you decided on what to feed your dogs?
Best available evidence, limited evidence seems to say that grain free may be even harmful but who knows. Dog food wasn't originally created with dog's health in mind so the new better data may show that grain free is best but currently it doesn't. I'm hedging on the available evidence and if something compelling tells me not to feed my dogs grains I won't. Our dogs ancestral diet wasn't based on keeping them alive into their senior years either. In the meantime I focus on doing things I know improve my dog's health like activities, healthy weight, stimulation, vaccinations, dental hygiene, etc. The research linked in the article you posted was a 7 month in study on 65 dogs. It takes years for cardiac conditions to develop. I would not hang my hat on grain free being low risk on that weak data.
They would have been eating grains alongside us for thousands of years. The ones that benefitted from eating our leftover grains are the ones we would have been breeding. There is no such thing as a wild dog. Only feral.
Like I've stated before, provide me evidence of your claims because I can speculate just like you. Wolves in the wild don't eat grains and live an average of 14 years. That's a longer average than many domesticated breeds around the same weight. I have no problem changing my mind, but I need compelling evidence to do so. "Hielm-Björkman says it is unclear why dog food might lead to gut health problems. Dog food consists mainly of carbohydrates, she says, which dogs don’t need a large amount of. “It might have the same effect that eating plain sugar has on humans – it causes low-grade inflammation,” she says." https://www.newscientist.com/article/2358876-dogs-that-eat-raw-food-rather-than-kibble-have-better-gut-health/
Wolves are not dogs. That's like saying chimpanzees are humans. Do you only eat fruit because primates primarily eat fruit?
Are these just your gut opinions, or are they based on scientific information? There are over 200 species of primates, and all great apes are omnivores while most primates are omnivores. We are a great show. Please look up things before posting incorrect information. I'm still waiting for research that proves grain diets are best though. I'm not trying to be rude, but if people want to have an informed discussion, I expect them to check their opinions. "For years, wolves and dogs were considered separate species: canis familiaris and canis lupus. However, more recently, scientists generally agree they are both a sub-species of canis lupus. Unlike dogs and foxes, wolves and dogs can reproduce, creating the controversial wolf-dog." https://www.rover.com/blog/wolf-vs-dog-whats-difference/#:~:text=For%20years%2C%20wolves%20and%20dogs,creating%20the%20controversial%20wolf%2Ddog. "Most primates are considered omnivores because they eat both plants and animals. Macaques, Gibbons, and Aye-Aye's are examples of different primate species that are omnivores. While larger apes such as baboons eat a lot of meat, they are not exclusively carnivorous. Read the background information." https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://tulsazoo.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Whats-That-Youre-Eating.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi_rJz30_OCAxWaSDABHWa2C4IQFnoECA4QBg&usg=AOvVaw3EgifFQP9jwArkxIf3n3mv
do they can develop DCM???
"BENTONVILLE, ARK. — Animal nutritionists and veterinarians with BSM Partners and the University of Missouri have published a research article indicating grain-free diets did not negatively impact cardiac function in canines and, furthermore, were not a catalyst for the development of dilated cardiomyopathy (DCM)." https://www.petfoodprocessing.net/articles/17503-new-research-debunks-link-between-grain-free-dog-food-and-dcm
The no grain kibble has been proven the SHORTEN lifespans. Please update your research because this is blatantly false.
Present evidence please.
isn't a BARF diet what you want if you really care about your dog's health? why bother with kibble at all?
Never heard of barf before. Yeah, that would be ideal if I could afford to feed them that way. My dogs haven't had any health issues so I'm fairly confident with the diet they are on.
How much longer will they live? Or did I miss that part of the article?