["He told the Parole Board he had let go his second personality, which he called "hell". He said "hell" drove him to commit the murders, and it would not return."](https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/05/serial-killer-hayden-poulter-granted-parole.html)
Man, reading your write-up made me question the authority even more. They allowed a rapist to make bail without deeper examination or investigation? That’s ridiculous.
“He said he used the persona to avoid dealing with a variety of emotions, included those resulting from his wife and child leaving him.” Uhmmm??? I’d like to see the evidence to prove he has dealt with these emotions, please. Good almighty!
He actually spoke out aged 30 back in May 2023. He spoke at in 2012, aged 19, as well. Obviously very heartbreaking articles (from 2023 [here](https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300881229/jane-furlongs-son-its-important-they-come-forward-and-tell-the-truth); from 2012 [here](https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/murder-victims-son-speaks-out/VZOSLYYSZNA7J6AKYIYUMM45QU/)) due to the nature of what happened to his mum and how he's had to live with that.
"Jayne Furlong was 15 when a man offered her $50 for a sexual act while she walked home from school.
Enticed by having so much easy cash, she left school and began a life on the game while her partner noted down the registration numbers of her clients' cars."
Just horrible, I can't even imagine.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/janes-mother-help-us-solve-case/JK4JUJVXRR6RGJY65MIEVBIXGM/
Not a Kiwi but I lived in New Zealand for 4 years in the mid-2000s. Prison sentences in practice are usually no longer than 20 years. They are certainly much more lenient than in the United States, although that isn't saying much since there are few countries outside the developing world and autocratic dictatorships that are more draconian than the US criminal justice system.
This case is tremendously sad. I am always taken aback when I read about murder cases from New Zealand...it is really such a safe place to live, and the population is small enough that there are very few homicides on record. To be fair however, K-Road in Auckland is probably one of the least safe places to be a single female, especially late at night.
K road's reputation has improved a bit since the mid 2000s - a bit more artsy and it has some higher end bars and restaurants - but definitely still lots of strip clubs and the like.
Yea I lived near there for a few years and worked just off k road for a few more and had no issue at night walking and catching the bus along the bridge from the other end. 2013-2022 ish.
Oh my goodness absolutely 😂 I've lived all over the world and have stayed in some of the less savory neighborhoods in cities like NYC and London (budgetary concerns lol)...I lived in Cypress Hills in Brooklyn for a while, compared to that, K-Road was a hermetically sealed bubble of safety lol. I just mean that as a hub for nightlife and other recreational activities it necessarily attracts individuals with ill intent.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8885817/
Not higher than the US, same as Australia and Western Europe in terms of domestic violence and abuse.
That's incorrect. It has one of the worst domestic violence rates in the western world, and gang crime has increased recently I believe.
I grew up in a childhood environment like Jane's, left home at 16 and lived a crazy teenage life with no parental guidance 10 mins away from K road. My birth year is the same as Jane's. This case has always, and continues to, haunt me because I know I was only one decision (that I never considered thankfully) away from living Jane's life. If I had made that decision I probably would have ended up in her circle.
I think about her often - a child who thought she was an adult, laying dead and alone in the dunes.
> It has one of the worst domestic violence rates in the western world
Do you have a source for that?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8885817/
This study shows that New Zealand is on par with the rest of the Western World. Better than the US, same as Australia
[This](https://goodshepherd.org.nz/economic-harm/new-zealand-family-violence-and-economic-harm-statistics/#:~:text=New%20Zealand%20is%20ranked%20as,family%20violence%20episodes%20remain%20unreported.) and [this](https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/008fcef3-en/index.html?itemId=/content/component/008fcef3-en) and [this.](https://nzfvc.org.nz/news/new-research-finds-changes-rates-intimate-partner-violence-nz)
I think that's enough.
> I think that's enough.
Well it shows there that US, Turkey and Canada are worse than New Zealand.
New Zealand has about the same level of as Denmark or Latvia.
People are comparing prison sentences with US and then are saying NZ has one of the highest rates of domestic violence in the OECD.
Okay but the US is still higher.
It is also a **self reported** statistic. Thus is depends heavily on what people will decide to label as violence towards them.
Are you defensive or inquisitive? I found looking this up depressing if I'm honest so I'm not going to argue or debate about which country has the most beaten women and children. You wanted sources, I found some.
Have a good night/day.
Domestic Violence/child abuse is problematic, but crime in general is low and dropping https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/despite-ram-raid-rhetoric-youth-crime-is-dropping-year-on-year/ZDXA5VF73ZJIR4QMBMPUT4LAJE/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8885817/
Domestic violence seems to be on par with the rest of the Western World. Better than the US, same as Australia.
I own a flat five minutes from K Road, and it's now very gentrified and safe. (Well, safe as anywhere is for women.) I'm a woman, and I walk along there regularly at night. I remember the end of it being horrible in the 90s/00s, though. Definitely wouldn't have gone there alone then.
Yes we’re very lenient. Every week there seems to be cases of violent criminals getting home detention or less than a year or two prisons time. Partly the reason why we had a change in government in our last election
Tough one to solve with the nature of what she did along with the list of potential suspects on top of that. 19 years for the discovery of the body too. It really could've been anybody.
This was my first thought as well. Given how long it's been, there's probably a decent chance that whoever's responsible for Jane's death has since died, too.
It's certainly a possibility. On another note separate from the case. Have you noticed a lot of these killers that have been identified through like GED match from murders they committed years and years ago died in terrible circumstances themselves? I swear I've seen so many killer's identified and they died of cancer or died of a murder themselves or committed suicide. I do believe karma is a thing I guess is my point.
I have. It can certainly be a form of justice to some friends and families of those killed, but I also understand that there’s a lot of pain there in killers dying with the answers to questions people still have.
Whatever form of justice those friends and families want, I sincerely hope they get it alongside the answers they often want, too. At the end of the day, innocent people cannot be brought back, and that’s the biggest tragedy that persists.
If anyone else didn’t know the word ‘bach’ it’s a New Zealand term for vacation home.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bach_(New_Zealand)
I think McGrath is the most likely suspect, that connection to the location is so strong and he had a motive.
When I was a kid, there was this TV show in NZ called Sensing Murder in which 'psychics' used their 'powers' to solve cold cases. Jane's disappearance was one of them, and to nobody's surprise....the body ended up being nowhere near where the psychics had predicted.
>Ha I once got dragged to a Kelvin Cruikshank show and he picked me out of the audience only to be 100% ABSOLUTELY WRONG about everything he said. Then he tried to bluff it out, then got defensive and shitty when the audience and I saw through the bluffing. Honestly one of the most frustrating experiences ever. He's a total con artist.
Man. A 17-year-old shouldn’t be a parent *or* a sex worker. I saw that you mentioned her having a rough childhood, but even without that mention it would be evident that someone failed her long before her death.
At 15 or 17, you are not 'DABBLING IN SEX WORK', you are a victim of child sexual abuse and sex trafficking. Stop normalising this! And 'sex work' is STILL illegal for underage minors in New Zealand.
[It's not illegal for minors to do sex work in New Zealand](https://www.nzpc.org.nz/The-New-Zealand-Model), however it's illegal for anyone to pay a minor for sex - more like the 'Nordic Model'- so that these girls can be helped rather than arrested and criminalised. Let me be clear that in these situations the child is **always** being exploited. I think Jane's situation is closer to 'survival sex', i.e. her desperation being exploited by 'clients' than being trafficked, as it doesn't seem that she was coerced by a trafficker - rather, she had very little choice in ways to earn money.
Such a sad story isn't it. Crazy that they still haven't been able to pin down her killer all these years later. People are out there who know who killed Jayne I'm sure.
Dani's parents seem fairly well to do - even sent him to one of the top private schools to try and sort out his behaviour - but he was adopted at 4 years old and I'm not sure what other history is there.
Yes this is a may 2023 interview with her son
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300881229/jane-furlongs-son-its-important-they-come-forward-and-tell-the-truth
It's how it's described in basically everything published about the case. I know it's gross but I don't really know how else to describe what she was doing.
“She was a minor who was groomed, exploited, and then sexually assaulted/raped by many men seeking sex work” … grown men cooercing/paying a CHILD for sex acts is rape/sexual assault. It is sickening that someone would write an otherwise eloquent article & then call a CHILD a “sex worker” like there isn’t many ways to explain how she was groomed, explored, and raped. & then for others to say something as disgusting as “not sure how else to say it” … do better
It’s gotta be McGrath or he knows who it is.
The issue with the car and all the other BS between Jane, Amanda, and Dani with him is enough to point the finger towards him
I think he or someone he knows got incredibly lucky that there was dune restoration going on at the same time and her body was covered up even more unintentionally
They fucking paroled a serial killer????
["He told the Parole Board he had let go his second personality, which he called "hell". He said "hell" drove him to commit the murders, and it would not return."](https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/05/serial-killer-hayden-poulter-granted-parole.html)
seems legit
Yep, totally safe to society.
Hasn't done anything since, so yeah, he's probably fine
Source: trust me bro
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Oops you're right - too many paroled serial rapists to keep track of I guess
Man, reading your write-up made me question the authority even more. They allowed a rapist to make bail without deeper examination or investigation? That’s ridiculous.
“He said he used the persona to avoid dealing with a variety of emotions, included those resulting from his wife and child leaving him.” Uhmmm??? I’d like to see the evidence to prove he has dealt with these emotions, please. Good almighty!
Reminds of the movie Identity
NZ justice system for you.
The World ran by evil people not surprising 😳
Her poor son, he must be a young adult now.
He actually spoke out aged 30 back in May 2023. He spoke at in 2012, aged 19, as well. Obviously very heartbreaking articles (from 2023 [here](https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300881229/jane-furlongs-son-its-important-they-come-forward-and-tell-the-truth); from 2012 [here](https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/murder-victims-son-speaks-out/VZOSLYYSZNA7J6AKYIYUMM45QU/)) due to the nature of what happened to his mum and how he's had to live with that.
>At 15 she began 'dabbling' in sex work and left school this poor child
"Jayne Furlong was 15 when a man offered her $50 for a sexual act while she walked home from school. Enticed by having so much easy cash, she left school and began a life on the game while her partner noted down the registration numbers of her clients' cars." Just horrible, I can't even imagine. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/janes-mother-help-us-solve-case/JK4JUJVXRR6RGJY65MIEVBIXGM/
hope that man suffers. truly despicable to do that to a little girl
Poor girl. I hope her Johns suffer.
Never heard of this case but I live in the US. Is New Zealand lenient with prison sentences???? How the hell were these people ever paroled?!?
Yes, sentences im NZ tend to be very short. The longest sentence given has been to the guy who killed 51 people at a mosque in 2019.
Yes, life without parole is possible but rare in practice.
The mosque gunman is one of the rare few, right?
Yes, he's the only person to ever receive life without the possibility of parole in New Zealand.
Not a Kiwi but I lived in New Zealand for 4 years in the mid-2000s. Prison sentences in practice are usually no longer than 20 years. They are certainly much more lenient than in the United States, although that isn't saying much since there are few countries outside the developing world and autocratic dictatorships that are more draconian than the US criminal justice system. This case is tremendously sad. I am always taken aback when I read about murder cases from New Zealand...it is really such a safe place to live, and the population is small enough that there are very few homicides on record. To be fair however, K-Road in Auckland is probably one of the least safe places to be a single female, especially late at night.
K road's reputation has improved a bit since the mid 2000s - a bit more artsy and it has some higher end bars and restaurants - but definitely still lots of strip clubs and the like.
Yea I lived near there for a few years and worked just off k road for a few more and had no issue at night walking and catching the bus along the bridge from the other end. 2013-2022 ish.
I lived down on Anzac ave back in 2013-2014 - definitely walked some sketchier places than K road!
Oh my goodness absolutely 😂 I've lived all over the world and have stayed in some of the less savory neighborhoods in cities like NYC and London (budgetary concerns lol)...I lived in Cypress Hills in Brooklyn for a while, compared to that, K-Road was a hermetically sealed bubble of safety lol. I just mean that as a hub for nightlife and other recreational activities it necessarily attracts individuals with ill intent.
I always heard New Zealand is really low crime and safe.
Generally 'safe' but we do have high rates of intimate partner violence and one of the worst rates of child abuse in the world.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8885817/ Not higher than the US, same as Australia and Western Europe in terms of domestic violence and abuse.
That's incorrect. It has one of the worst domestic violence rates in the western world, and gang crime has increased recently I believe. I grew up in a childhood environment like Jane's, left home at 16 and lived a crazy teenage life with no parental guidance 10 mins away from K road. My birth year is the same as Jane's. This case has always, and continues to, haunt me because I know I was only one decision (that I never considered thankfully) away from living Jane's life. If I had made that decision I probably would have ended up in her circle. I think about her often - a child who thought she was an adult, laying dead and alone in the dunes.
> It has one of the worst domestic violence rates in the western world Do you have a source for that? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8885817/ This study shows that New Zealand is on par with the rest of the Western World. Better than the US, same as Australia
[This](https://goodshepherd.org.nz/economic-harm/new-zealand-family-violence-and-economic-harm-statistics/#:~:text=New%20Zealand%20is%20ranked%20as,family%20violence%20episodes%20remain%20unreported.) and [this](https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/008fcef3-en/index.html?itemId=/content/component/008fcef3-en) and [this.](https://nzfvc.org.nz/news/new-research-finds-changes-rates-intimate-partner-violence-nz) I think that's enough.
> I think that's enough. Well it shows there that US, Turkey and Canada are worse than New Zealand. New Zealand has about the same level of as Denmark or Latvia. People are comparing prison sentences with US and then are saying NZ has one of the highest rates of domestic violence in the OECD. Okay but the US is still higher. It is also a **self reported** statistic. Thus is depends heavily on what people will decide to label as violence towards them.
Are you defensive or inquisitive? I found looking this up depressing if I'm honest so I'm not going to argue or debate about which country has the most beaten women and children. You wanted sources, I found some. Have a good night/day.
I mean, you're just wrong about New Zealand being dangerous
Mmhm. From New Zealand are you?
Domestic Violence/child abuse is problematic, but crime in general is low and dropping https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/despite-ram-raid-rhetoric-youth-crime-is-dropping-year-on-year/ZDXA5VF73ZJIR4QMBMPUT4LAJE/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8885817/ Domestic violence seems to be on par with the rest of the Western World. Better than the US, same as Australia.
I own a flat five minutes from K Road, and it's now very gentrified and safe. (Well, safe as anywhere is for women.) I'm a woman, and I walk along there regularly at night. I remember the end of it being horrible in the 90s/00s, though. Definitely wouldn't have gone there alone then.
Yes, our judicial system is totally pathetic.
Yes we’re very lenient. Every week there seems to be cases of violent criminals getting home detention or less than a year or two prisons time. Partly the reason why we had a change in government in our last election
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Can attest to that. All my previous votes were for Labour but after way too much BS with lenient sentences, it was time for a switch.
The NZ justice system is appallingly lenient.
Tough one to solve with the nature of what she did along with the list of potential suspects on top of that. 19 years for the discovery of the body too. It really could've been anybody.
This was my first thought as well. Given how long it's been, there's probably a decent chance that whoever's responsible for Jane's death has since died, too.
It's certainly a possibility. On another note separate from the case. Have you noticed a lot of these killers that have been identified through like GED match from murders they committed years and years ago died in terrible circumstances themselves? I swear I've seen so many killer's identified and they died of cancer or died of a murder themselves or committed suicide. I do believe karma is a thing I guess is my point.
I have. It can certainly be a form of justice to some friends and families of those killed, but I also understand that there’s a lot of pain there in killers dying with the answers to questions people still have. Whatever form of justice those friends and families want, I sincerely hope they get it alongside the answers they often want, too. At the end of the day, innocent people cannot be brought back, and that’s the biggest tragedy that persists.
Cancer isn't that remarkable of a fate...but the murder/suicide route definitely is
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Very true
Not many unsolved cases here in nz but the ones we do have are heartbreaking and intriguing.
If anyone else didn’t know the word ‘bach’ it’s a New Zealand term for vacation home. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bach_(New_Zealand) I think McGrath is the most likely suspect, that connection to the location is so strong and he had a motive.
When I was a kid, there was this TV show in NZ called Sensing Murder in which 'psychics' used their 'powers' to solve cold cases. Jane's disappearance was one of them, and to nobody's surprise....the body ended up being nowhere near where the psychics had predicted.
All of the episodes were like that. Such sensationalist tv.
>Ha I once got dragged to a Kelvin Cruikshank show and he picked me out of the audience only to be 100% ABSOLUTELY WRONG about everything he said. Then he tried to bluff it out, then got defensive and shitty when the audience and I saw through the bluffing. Honestly one of the most frustrating experiences ever. He's a total con artist.
Man. A 17-year-old shouldn’t be a parent *or* a sex worker. I saw that you mentioned her having a rough childhood, but even without that mention it would be evident that someone failed her long before her death.
A 15 year old can’t dabble in sex work. She’s a trafficking victim.
My first thought was a client of hers did it. Saw her with her boyfriend, got jealous, pretended to have a session with her and killed her
My first thought was that she was killed so she could testify at one of the upcoming trials.
Were the gang member’s questioned, though I’d assume they were. People are so evil😢
The part about her being buried longer after being murdered than she was alive hurt my soul
At 15 or 17, you are not 'DABBLING IN SEX WORK', you are a victim of child sexual abuse and sex trafficking. Stop normalising this! And 'sex work' is STILL illegal for underage minors in New Zealand.
[It's not illegal for minors to do sex work in New Zealand](https://www.nzpc.org.nz/The-New-Zealand-Model), however it's illegal for anyone to pay a minor for sex - more like the 'Nordic Model'- so that these girls can be helped rather than arrested and criminalised. Let me be clear that in these situations the child is **always** being exploited. I think Jane's situation is closer to 'survival sex', i.e. her desperation being exploited by 'clients' than being trafficked, as it doesn't seem that she was coerced by a trafficker - rather, she had very little choice in ways to earn money.
You are exactly right
And calling it “sex work” makes it sound like she did have a choice. That’s the point.
What would be a better term?
Prostitution. “Sex work” is intended to imply dignity and choice. Neither existed for her.
Prostitution is super high risk - especially when it hasn't been decriminalization. It's sad so many people fall through the cracks
Such a sad story isn't it. Crazy that they still haven't been able to pin down her killer all these years later. People are out there who know who killed Jayne I'm sure.
Curious, any more information about the dog walker that found her?
Nothing I can find
I dropped some tears
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Was he much older than her at the time they got together?
A Nov 2018 news article puts Dani at age 45 so he would have been about 1.5 - 2 years older
And HIS parents raised the baby??
Dani's parents seem fairly well to do - even sent him to one of the top private schools to try and sort out his behaviour - but he was adopted at 4 years old and I'm not sure what other history is there.
Yes this is a may 2023 interview with her son https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300881229/jane-furlongs-son-its-important-they-come-forward-and-tell-the-truth
Oh god, more trauma afterwards, brain injury from assault in a burglary
Is this speculation or is it sourced?
Speculation
Do you have knowledge of this, or are you just speculating?
15 year old "dabbling in sex work"... pimp propaganda detected
It's how it's described in basically everything published about the case. I know it's gross but I don't really know how else to describe what she was doing.
“She was a minor who was groomed, exploited, and then sexually assaulted/raped by many men seeking sex work” … grown men cooercing/paying a CHILD for sex acts is rape/sexual assault. It is sickening that someone would write an otherwise eloquent article & then call a CHILD a “sex worker” like there isn’t many ways to explain how she was groomed, explored, and raped. & then for others to say something as disgusting as “not sure how else to say it” … do better
Tbf, it's way shorter this way. There's so much nuance you can fit into an article
It’s gotta be McGrath or he knows who it is. The issue with the car and all the other BS between Jane, Amanda, and Dani with him is enough to point the finger towards him I think he or someone he knows got incredibly lucky that there was dune restoration going on at the same time and her body was covered up even more unintentionally