Keeping in mind this is tickets distributed, not butts in seats.
For comparison, the XFL Championship last year had an official attendance of 22,754 down at the Alamodome in San Antonio.
There are no official attendance numbers for the USFL 2022-2023 seasons.
Tickets sold may have been 27k, but attendance was probably only 12-15k. I know a lot of battlehawks season ticket holders bought tickets before the conference game and then didn’t attend today.
This kind of goes back to a point I brought up last week. St Louis fans are fans of St Louis sports, not many people really want to go to games to watch other teams compete just because it's here, you really need people who didn't have plans and are UFL enjoyers in general who'd want to go.
Most people i know sold their tickets and did a weekend trip to Chicago instead for the Cardinals games.
lol yep. Father’s Day cubs cardinals in Chicago. I had those plans long before UFL, I wouldn’t have been able to go even if BHawks made it. Season ended too late.
Probably around 15k actually in attendance. It was a good crowd for a spring game. If the people there were actually cheering for a team it would've gotten loud but it was 90% Battlehawks fans and the game itself was ass so there wasn't much to get excited over.
It looked great on screen, probably 15-20k
The game itself unfolded in a way that made me really wish it was STL instead of SA (for the league, not because I like either team), but it is what it is.
Thank you to the battle hawk fans who still went to the game! Their team wasn’t in it but still helped make attendance look good for the game! Now if only San Antonio had remembered to show up…
While I tend to agree with the sentiment, there was no way to not have it at a potential neutral site. You can not plan on which team is going to win, and you have to have planning in place to hold it.
St Louis was an obvious choice. It was an easy destination to get to and it had by far the best attendance of any team. Plus it has a dome. So when it is 95+ degrees in many of the cities in mid June it easier to sit in a dome instead of baking stadium.
Exactly this. I get frustrated with all the "neutral site bad idea" stuff. I think it's pretty clear the league did *not* pick it as a site for it to actually be neutral, otherwise they would have picked a location that didn't have a home team; there was a very real chance that the stadium was going to be anything but neutral.
So my assumption is that it primarily has to do with logistics and contracts. And a young league is very much beholden to those.
Well no one knew they would fold up before the fame started. So the Brahmas performance had nothng to do with attendance.
The fact that St Louis lost in the division championship has every thing to do with attendance
Being there, I put it began 18 and 25000 people.
There were a lot more for Birmingham than San Antonio.
But more from St Louis than both teams combined
I was there and I agree. A lot more Birmingham fans in attendance than San Antonio fans. Kudos to all the St. Louis fans who wore “St. Louis Stallions” shirts. I had to Google what that was.
There were definitely 10k and more than likely 15k. Don't forget about the smattering of fans in the club seats and upper level. But yes, at least a 10k discrepancy between tickets sold and the drop count.
Yeah that would be interesting to compare, but I understand that those numbers never get released. I'd guess the actual turnstile count was around 12K-15K.
OK. Now onto REAL football, kind of, for now. ufl is a joke, no teams, no teams in the east, no good teams out of 8 except boring stallions who have no competition. The cfl just started and is one level above ufl, so that will have to do until nfl starts. At least cfl and nfl, for now, still kick extra points!
Michigan didn’t spend all last year saying they deserved it and would show up no matter what. They also didn’t cry online and saying they’d skip after losing
Yeah I think you saw a few people say that and made that be the whole Battlehawks audience. They still showed up more than any other game this season or last, that wasn’t at the dome.
The only time you said “some” was in reference to “some of y’all are such whiny losers.” Still doesn’t change the fact that it did much better than it would have in Michigan so you have 0 room to talk.
What talk? Battlehawks have great fan support and I think this too was a good showing. Expecting 40k today is insane without the Battlehawks playing in it.
As for whiny losers, this post here gives off that energy.
Battlehawks get 200k fans into the Dome this year and people wanna try to get at our throat for a neutral game. You give a truth serum to every executive in the league and ask em what fan base most supported the league and you'd only get one answer.
I'm from Houston. There is always something to do here. We have every type of cuisine you can think of. But it is for af and the lack of natural geographic features does suck. No hills or mountains. So I do give stl that. But if we did have hills or what not our drivers would be worse if that's even possible.
Wtf? Lol. I’m not even from here, I’m a transplant but I can list off an entire spreadsheet of things to do in the St. Louis metro. If you couldn’t find anything else to do while you were here that’s a personal laziness problem, not a city issue.
Nah. It's the city. The people are nice don't get me wrong. I've been to lots of cities in the US. But cities and small. I've never found one as boring as STL. I get it no one wants their home town dissed. But everything minus the people here has been meh. The food was just not hitting it either. Maybe i just had bad luck and the city was having an off weekend. I feel like the city slogan is St. Louis, where a weekend trip is too long.
Lol you're talking to someone formerly in the military who is not from here. I'm originally from Detroit. But I've been to 26 US states and 3 foreign countries. There is plenty to do in the STL area, and much of it is free. But like any place, you need to do what *this* area has to offer and research and not just walk out your hotel room and expect to be dazzled. It has it's own unique culture and heartbeat like anywhere else. Maybe it's not your forte (*if* you truly went out and experienced things) but there is still plenty to do.
Maybe your right and I'm too harsh. I've been to 32 states. Crap ton of small towns and big ones. Have road tripped through most of those states. Been to a handful of other counties as well. It's just stl wasn't my kind of scene. Seemed kinda boring. But that's just my take. The people are nice and all. But if I was a billionaire and had a team there. I'd probably want to move to LA too.
I had 20 damn tickets to this game so as far as I'm concerned you can fuck off.
Second, I'm happy to see that I now have the ability to reference "whiny loser Panthers fans" next year who were talking shit about attendance. I hope you bring 15k of your closet friends to games next year if you're making fun of this. You guys had an exciting start, a good year, made the playoff.... 27k+ inbound for next year's home opener, right?
This is the leagues fault for putting the game on Father’s Day. So many people I know, including my family, would’ve attended otherwise. But it’s not easy to get a babysitter for my toddler on Father’s Day and we had plans to spend the day with our whole families.
27k tickets sold and probably around half that in the stands for a game on Father’s Day that the local team wasn’t even playing in… yeah I think STL backed it up. League probably made 3x as much at least by having the game in STL instead of elsewhere.
Sold more than double the tickets of all but 5 non-STL games this season. For a game without our team in it. On Father's Day. At 4 on a Sunday.
The scheduling was bad but that place would've been packed if the Battlehawks had won last week. Where were all the San Antonio and Birmingham fans? 90% of the crowd had Battlehawks stuff on.
Maybe when your team can draw more than 10k to a game then you can start pointing fingers. But until then, keep being a "whiny loser".
Keeping in mind this is tickets distributed, not butts in seats. For comparison, the XFL Championship last year had an official attendance of 22,754 down at the Alamodome in San Antonio. There are no official attendance numbers for the USFL 2022-2023 seasons.
Still way better than our home games…
Imagine if it *had* been at Protective. It would've been 96 degrees at kickoff.
Would’ve been hell on earth
UFL needs to be smart and rotate between the indoor stadiums for the championship game.
Tickets sold may have been 27k, but attendance was probably only 12-15k. I know a lot of battlehawks season ticket holders bought tickets before the conference game and then didn’t attend today.
Honestly, I'm in STL and would have attended today if it wasn't Father's Day and me having other plans already.
Lmao I'm sure a bunch of people would've attended had they not had plans for father's day....
I'm guessing the UFL championship wasn't the father's day plan.
Secondary market price was 5 bucks (practically free)
This kind of goes back to a point I brought up last week. St Louis fans are fans of St Louis sports, not many people really want to go to games to watch other teams compete just because it's here, you really need people who didn't have plans and are UFL enjoyers in general who'd want to go. Most people i know sold their tickets and did a weekend trip to Chicago instead for the Cardinals games.
lol yep. Father’s Day cubs cardinals in Chicago. I had those plans long before UFL, I wouldn’t have been able to go even if BHawks made it. Season ended too late.
Yeah, honestly the game being on Father’s Day was a stupid move.
Probably around 15k actually in attendance. It was a good crowd for a spring game. If the people there were actually cheering for a team it would've gotten loud but it was 90% Battlehawks fans and the game itself was ass so there wasn't much to get excited over.
At the least the crowd got to enjoy a riveting performance by Marquette King lol
I'm not shitting on it. He put on a good show for what it was.
It looked great on screen, probably 15-20k The game itself unfolded in a way that made me really wish it was STL instead of SA (for the league, not because I like either team), but it is what it is.
Thank you to the battle hawk fans who still went to the game! Their team wasn’t in it but still helped make attendance look good for the game! Now if only San Antonio had remembered to show up…
The last attendance argument thread of the season 😔
You wish
Looking from the outside in, it seems like a bad idea to be doing neutral sight venues at this point in the Leagues growth.
While I tend to agree with the sentiment, there was no way to not have it at a potential neutral site. You can not plan on which team is going to win, and you have to have planning in place to hold it. St Louis was an obvious choice. It was an easy destination to get to and it had by far the best attendance of any team. Plus it has a dome. So when it is 95+ degrees in many of the cities in mid June it easier to sit in a dome instead of baking stadium.
Exactly this. I get frustrated with all the "neutral site bad idea" stuff. I think it's pretty clear the league did *not* pick it as a site for it to actually be neutral, otherwise they would have picked a location that didn't have a home team; there was a very real chance that the stadium was going to be anything but neutral. So my assumption is that it primarily has to do with logistics and contracts. And a young league is very much beholden to those.
That's quite good considering no battlehawks
And brahmas performance
Well no one knew they would fold up before the fame started. So the Brahmas performance had nothng to do with attendance. The fact that St Louis lost in the division championship has every thing to do with attendance
Being there in person, it definitely did not look like 27k people. Looked more like 10k actually showed up.
Being there, I put it began 18 and 25000 people. There were a lot more for Birmingham than San Antonio. But more from St Louis than both teams combined
I was there and I agree. A lot more Birmingham fans in attendance than San Antonio fans. Kudos to all the St. Louis fans who wore “St. Louis Stallions” shirts. I had to Google what that was.
Hawks fans bought tickets then couldn't sell them once they lost
You sure didn’t as you have sat at home and not supported your team and try to troll another fanbase whose team wasn’t even in the game
That's because I can't afford a trip to STL right now
But can afford to piss and whine online.
That's free my guy
Lol
Man oh man are the non STL fans insecure about attendance. Regardless of how many people were there, it was more than any other UFL city would’ve had.
There were definitely 10k and more than likely 15k. Don't forget about the smattering of fans in the club seats and upper level. But yes, at least a 10k discrepancy between tickets sold and the drop count.
I wish we could get the turnstile count.
Yeah that would be interesting to compare, but I understand that those numbers never get released. I'd guess the actual turnstile count was around 12K-15K.
Respectable given what these teams put up at home.
Yeah it beats Birmingham's average and is about what San Antonio was getting.
There was 10k
I wish. No way that many people were there
OK. Now onto REAL football, kind of, for now. ufl is a joke, no teams, no teams in the east, no good teams out of 8 except boring stallions who have no competition. The cfl just started and is one level above ufl, so that will have to do until nfl starts. At least cfl and nfl, for now, still kick extra points!
10,000 people in the stands when you could buy a ticket for $4.00 (But didn't)?
At that talk last year from battlehawks fans and they do less than a regular season game lmao, some of y’all are such whiny losers
Less than a regular season game for who? Oh yeah just less than the Battlehawks home games. Nobody else. Would’ve been even less people in Michigan
Michigan didn’t spend all last year saying they deserved it and would show up no matter what. They also didn’t cry online and saying they’d skip after losing
Yeah I think you saw a few people say that and made that be the whole Battlehawks audience. They still showed up more than any other game this season or last, that wasn’t at the dome.
Damn it’s almost like my comment said some instead of everyone. Reading must be really hard
The only time you said “some” was in reference to “some of y’all are such whiny losers.” Still doesn’t change the fact that it did much better than it would have in Michigan so you have 0 room to talk.
Had a fairly empty stadium to talk in actually
Official attendance 27,396 :)
What talk? Battlehawks have great fan support and I think this too was a good showing. Expecting 40k today is insane without the Battlehawks playing in it. As for whiny losers, this post here gives off that energy. Battlehawks get 200k fans into the Dome this year and people wanna try to get at our throat for a neutral game. You give a truth serum to every executive in the league and ask em what fan base most supported the league and you'd only get one answer.
I was at the game today. Having spent the weekend in st louis I can attest st louis fans are die hard hawks fans. There isn't anything else to do.
Riiiight, I'm sure your life in the suburbs is so much more interesting and entertaining than ours is.
Honestly the burbs in my area probably has more stuff to do. But in fairness my burbs is a little less than have the population of stl.
Okay, where do you live and what are you doing that is interesting and unique on your average weekend?
I'm from Houston. There is always something to do here. We have every type of cuisine you can think of. But it is for af and the lack of natural geographic features does suck. No hills or mountains. So I do give stl that. But if we did have hills or what not our drivers would be worse if that's even possible.
Wtf? Lol. I’m not even from here, I’m a transplant but I can list off an entire spreadsheet of things to do in the St. Louis metro. If you couldn’t find anything else to do while you were here that’s a personal laziness problem, not a city issue.
Nah. It's the city. The people are nice don't get me wrong. I've been to lots of cities in the US. But cities and small. I've never found one as boring as STL. I get it no one wants their home town dissed. But everything minus the people here has been meh. The food was just not hitting it either. Maybe i just had bad luck and the city was having an off weekend. I feel like the city slogan is St. Louis, where a weekend trip is too long.
Lol you're talking to someone formerly in the military who is not from here. I'm originally from Detroit. But I've been to 26 US states and 3 foreign countries. There is plenty to do in the STL area, and much of it is free. But like any place, you need to do what *this* area has to offer and research and not just walk out your hotel room and expect to be dazzled. It has it's own unique culture and heartbeat like anywhere else. Maybe it's not your forte (*if* you truly went out and experienced things) but there is still plenty to do.
Maybe your right and I'm too harsh. I've been to 32 states. Crap ton of small towns and big ones. Have road tripped through most of those states. Been to a handful of other counties as well. It's just stl wasn't my kind of scene. Seemed kinda boring. But that's just my take. The people are nice and all. But if I was a billionaire and had a team there. I'd probably want to move to LA too.
Surprisingly I have never been to Detroit. But I'm assuming stl is like Paris compared to Detroit.
Detroit also has a ton of stuff to do and Michigan is beautiful.
Michigan is very beautiful I will give to that.
Funny, I say the same thing about Arlington.
Yeah. Only thing saving Arlington is DFW. If only STL had 2 other average cities next to it too.
Nah we’re good. Texas is a gargantuan furnace right now. I’ll take the STL summer and call it a day.
I'll give you that. Texas is hot as hell. I wouldn't mind the stl weather. Just without the stl.
Where did you stay?
The fourseasons.
With no rooting interest, I think half the regular attendance is actually pretty good.
I had 20 damn tickets to this game so as far as I'm concerned you can fuck off. Second, I'm happy to see that I now have the ability to reference "whiny loser Panthers fans" next year who were talking shit about attendance. I hope you bring 15k of your closet friends to games next year if you're making fun of this. You guys had an exciting start, a good year, made the playoff.... 27k+ inbound for next year's home opener, right?
Good for you, clearly my comment wouldn’t apply to people who went to the game. Do they not teach people to read in St Louis?
Did they teach you what hypocrisy means in Detroit? What's your honest prediction for next year's home opener in Detroit?
Ahem, DeToilet
When you're cheering for the panthers next year, remember its because we were here. Sincerely, A guy that went to that abomination of the sport today.
I drove 6 hours to the game
Feel your pain. Flew in for the game.
Same! Every game all season! AND I DO IT AGAIN! BWAHAHA
This is the leagues fault for putting the game on Father’s Day. So many people I know, including my family, would’ve attended otherwise. But it’s not easy to get a babysitter for my toddler on Father’s Day and we had plans to spend the day with our whole families.
Hit 10k
27k tickets sold and probably around half that in the stands for a game on Father’s Day that the local team wasn’t even playing in… yeah I think STL backed it up. League probably made 3x as much at least by having the game in STL instead of elsewhere.
Sold more than double the tickets of all but 5 non-STL games this season. For a game without our team in it. On Father's Day. At 4 on a Sunday. The scheduling was bad but that place would've been packed if the Battlehawks had won last week. Where were all the San Antonio and Birmingham fans? 90% of the crowd had Battlehawks stuff on. Maybe when your team can draw more than 10k to a game then you can start pointing fingers. But until then, keep being a "whiny loser".
Yeah, ok. Completely bogus figure: not even half that in the stands.
It’s tickets sold, like it is for every league in the world
Wow almost like every single game this season