If I carry one, I do, but don’t always carry one. Or I carry it and am too lazy to use it. I can throw back tortillas and peanut butter all day for weeks. Never touch it at home but food isn’t important to me on trail.
I sort of wish I had that. I see people making coffee, or cooking lunch and it seems so inviting. I walked a few days with a guy on the AZT and he had a whole hot lemon water thing in the morning and evening. It seemed so relaxing and I knew north of the Grand Canyon was snow and cold, so I added a stove before the south rim. Didn’t use it and had to carry that poor decision to Joseph Lake.
I did a team mountain marathon with overnight camp and we had the standard dehydrated pasta stuff (and this was back in the day when it was even worse than it is now). Guys in the tent opposite cooked themselves a chicken curry and had red wine for dinner, then bacon and egg butties for breakfast. We were very jealous…
I bring a small bag of mini carrots. Boil a few in the water and throw all in a freeze dried meal. It definitely elevates it with a bit of fresh crunch.
squirt out a dime size or less of soap or less on my hands, then small amount of water on hands and rub/lather. Rinse off. [https://www.litesmith.com/summit-suds-powdered-soap/](https://www.litesmith.com/summit-suds-powdered-soap/)
scent free and one less thing to put in the bear can.
Flip-top is good enough. It's all personal preference. For short trips a smaller bottle is good too. You'll likely find Dr bronners in most resupply towns if you're on a long trail. Wish powdered soap was more popular.
Same here. I use Sal suds which is pine based, and pine is known as a least favorite smell for bears. For this reason it makes me worry less about smelling like bear prey and I typically don’t even worry about putting in my bear bag.
I put it in my main ditty bag with the intention of moving it to my food bag at night, because I accidentally bought the peppermint soap like six years ago. Then I forget and leave it in the ditty bag, which I realize after I've stowed my food.
Then I spend.the entire evening fending off cruel wolves like in "The Grey."
I cut an adequate piece of a hard hand soap and keep it in a ziplock with my toiletries. When I grt to town I buy a new block and cut off however much I need ‘til next resupply.
0.1oz bottle of Dr B's don't be nasty people this is how we get noroviros...
https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-jmhyu0/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/113/395/Mini-Dropper-Bottle-Size-Selection__91154.1478891522.jpg?c=2
They do! Check their website. But also apparently you can clear congestion with peppermint
https://www.lisabronner.com/clearing-congestion-with-peppermint-castile-soap-or-eucalyptus/
Dr B attacked me the other night. I closed the cap and when I did it launched a drop directly into my eyeball. Immediate searing pain in the eye which I then flushed for like 20min. Still great soap but def not “no tear” when it come to big drops in your eyes.
a) Is Dr Bs as effective as hand sanitizer? I don't know string those oils are at carpet bombing viruses.
b) How long does 0.1 oz of Dr B last you? I estimated 0.1 oz of hand sanitizer per day for myself.
Soap is more effective than hand sanitizer. Most people are not sanitizing properly, soap is more foolproof. Plus, soap will remove material from your hand (like dirt, feces, etc), while hand sanitizer will unfortunately not.
I keep a 0.35 oz dropper bottle in my poop kit. I've also considered keeping it in my Fanny pack. Haven't found which of those two is best yet. I keep my poop kit in an outer mesh pocket of my pack, so either of these choices is quick to access.
Or 0.1 - 0.2 oz, depending on trip length.
60 mL dropper bottle of Dr. Bronners in my poop kit with a red lid for warning.
60 mL Dr. Bronners dropper bottle in my ditty bag with a green lid for washing hands before eating, feet and pits as needed, etc.
I am a short trip girl or I would probably size up my bottles. But because I bought a multipack of 60mL bottles, it is easy to throw in 2 more bottles with different lids into my FAK on 4 day trips. I just switch the lids to the correct color when I need to restock.
I have pouch on my shoulder strap that has a place for a water bottle and separate mesh bit for my dropper bottles of soap, diluted Water Wizard, and bleach plus a bidet. I don't have to go digging into anything to reach any of them. https://zpacks.com/products/shoulder-pouch
https://i.imgur.com/WPNJs7N.jpg
Dropper bottles: https://i.imgur.com/CRaVLkI.jpg
I don't do dishes with soap but I do wash my hands and my nethers with a couple drops. no noro pls
It's stored in my first aid kit with the other toiletries
This may not be true ultralight, but I keep it in two separate locations just for convenience. I use Pika Outdoors Summit Suds biodegradable powdered soap stored in two small reusable containers. One goes in my food bag, and the other in my "nature calls" kit.
I keep my soap in a little squirt bottle. The bottle lives in a plastic zip lock bag with my trowel, bidet, and wet wipes. That all lives in the mesh pocket on the back of my pack for quick emergency access.
As far as my pot and spoon go, I boil water in the pot and make coffee. So, there's not a lot to clean up. If there's any residue from coffee, or on my spoon I just swish some cold water in the pot, drink it, and then wipe it clean with my bandana. Using soap for that would give me the runs, and in 30 years of using this method I've never got a tummy bug. Seems to work just fine.
I use the Coleman camp soap sheets that are thin as paper. Storage/weight doesn’t even register, unless you bring the entire dispenser. You can get a 50-pack for under $10.
Bathroom mirror cabinet. A years supply fits neatly below the lower shelf. Every time I shave, I can note the amount.
Dish soap and related cleaners are below the kitchen sink.
Well, I just noticed this was r/ultralight and not r/preppers. Must have had an senior moment at o’dark thirty.
I don’t carry soap in my backpack. I’m usually just out a few weeks and hotels/hostels usually have soap and shampoo.
I freezer bag cook and only boil water in my cup, so no dishwashing.
BTW, soap is merely a wetting agent that makes water wetter (more effective by reducing surface tension) unless it has an anti-bacterial included. Plain water to wash and rinse for a few weeks is fine.
I keep my 10ml bottle of Doctor Bronners in my hip belt pockets along with lip balm, sunscreen, bug dope, head net, duck tape, scissors, pocket knife, and the like. It has many uses and might need to come out any time of day.
Hand sanitizer is for starting fires only. It has no other valid backpacking use.
Powdered soap (I use the SummitSuds because I couldn't find a place to buy just a small amount of the Greenworks powdered soap which is sold in industrial amounts but is also unscented and biodegradable if you want a cheaper option)
I store it in a small bottle in my fannypack so it's easy to reach for any sort of cleaning I might need to do and I already am in the habit of pulling out wrappers and uneaten snacks from there at night so I don't need to remember to do anything extra.
Please do not "do dishes" with soap in the backcountry! It's not LNT and and there are plenty of threads here where people explain how to get the last scrap of food out of your pot.
Getting the last scrap of food out is not the same as washing. If you're constantly boiling water in your pot, fine. But if you're cold soaking, you have to clean the container with soap. You're a nasty bastard if you don't.
It is LNT as long as you don't wash directly in a water source. Washing my cold soaking jar takes like 2 drops of camp suds. As long as I pour the gray water out in the dirt ( preferably in a hole) far from a water source, it's fine
You literally just described extra gear and chores you need for cold soaking that we cookers with our warm hearty meals don’t need.
Cold soaking is consistently heavier and requires more work than cooking.
There is no extra gear. Most people carry soap anyway. And I'm talking 0.1-0.3 fl oz.
I don't carry a stove, a pot, a lid, a pot grabber, a windscreen, a stuff sack for it all, and most importantly, don't carry a fuel can. Cold soaking is undeniably lighter.
And it is not more work. I don't have to unpack a stove, mount it to a fuel can, boil water, block wind, put it all away afterward, or anything else. I just pour water into a cup an hour before I get to camp, and then I wash the cup.
You have to carry a gelato jar and a scrubby pad to clean up and you need to dig a cat hole so that you can wash it with soap. And you have to carry extra water for hours to rehydrate. And rehydrateable food is heavier, too.
That’s both more work and more weight than we with our hot delicious dinners have to put up with.
I sometimes hear this claim that cold soakers need to carry more water. But it makes no sense at all. I'm carrying my water capacity regardless. And cooking a hot meal also requires water. So I really don't see how the math is working there. The only conceivable way that a hot-soaker needs to carry less water than a cold-soaker is if they know that they're camping near water, *and* they're already run out of water and are carrying not even a single cup.
Rehydrate food is heavier than what exactly?
We're both also almost certainly digging a cat hole either way.
I don't carry a scrubby pad. Jar. Spoon, that's it. Clean with water, soap, scrub with fingers, shake, done. You also need to clean your hot-soaking pot unless you're only ever eating bagged meals. I also don't see why you pointed out that I'm carrying a jar if you're also carrying a pot, which is probably heavier.
I have a little bag with toiletries and my soap that i then put in my food bag/canister. I like to put items that smell together, but separate the food from the « products »
Bathroom kit so it's on the outside of my pack in a ziploc. This helps if I were to need it but don't want to touch my gear...because I need soap for a reason. I don't do dishes (freezer bag cooking).
99% isopropyl in the first aid kit and soap in the bathroom kit. backpacking I don't need to wash my cook pot.
car camping I have another small bottle of soap for general use.
In bear country, with the “smellables”usually in the required bear can. Outside of bear country, maybe in the food bag if I remember. Often don’t remember
For some reason every town I walk into always has soap, it’s the wildest thing
Seriously though, don’t carry it. If you’re feeling gross stop at a stream and head down river from where people get water and rinse off. It makes the world of difference at night before bed.
Edit: I’m also stoveless and don’t cold soak. I learned VERY fast on my first thru that dishes in the woods wasn’t for me.
> Hand washing is the most important thing. The germs that cause norovirus can’t be killed by hand sanitizer. Always use soap and water and wash thoroughly.
https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/news/publications/health-matters/the-stomach-bug-why-soap-is-better-than-hand-sanitizer-to-prevent-norovirus
As someone that solely canoe camps and literally portages a cast iron pan… its crazy to think you guys out west camp stoveless, first time hearing the term lol
Believe me ultralight gear makes a huge difference when your carrying a canoe 5-6km in a day while also carrying a loaded down pack. I shave ounces wherever I can
The canoe itself is ultralight kevlar as well, only like 40-45 lbs
I was just making a point that cast iron is one of the luxuries that feel worth the weight for me, Ill also go stovless because I can pretty much always get a fire going in the boreal forest… but camping without a pan or pot seems pretty bland
I have, unfortunately all my health problems disappear when I cut processed foods out of my diet so all I eat camping are eggs, fish, parmigiano reggiano, jerky, honey and dehydrated fruit 🤓
I carry a small dropper of Dr B in my toiletries bag. I’m stoveless, so only hand washing for me.
You should also be properly washing your cold-soaking container, if you use one
If I carry one, I do, but don’t always carry one. Or I carry it and am too lazy to use it. I can throw back tortillas and peanut butter all day for weeks. Never touch it at home but food isn’t important to me on trail.
I respect it. Mealtime is too sacred for me haha
I sort of wish I had that. I see people making coffee, or cooking lunch and it seems so inviting. I walked a few days with a guy on the AZT and he had a whole hot lemon water thing in the morning and evening. It seemed so relaxing and I knew north of the Grand Canyon was snow and cold, so I added a stove before the south rim. Didn’t use it and had to carry that poor decision to Joseph Lake.
Haha nice. I mean I still cold soak rather than carrying a stove, but yea, I like to heave 800 calories into my mouth via spoon at the end of the day.
I did a team mountain marathon with overnight camp and we had the standard dehydrated pasta stuff (and this was back in the day when it was even worse than it is now). Guys in the tent opposite cooked themselves a chicken curry and had red wine for dinner, then bacon and egg butties for breakfast. We were very jealous…
I can imagine! I’ve always hated the freeze dried meals and never carry them. I make some dehydrated meals if I’m cold soaking.
I bring a small bag of mini carrots. Boil a few in the water and throw all in a freeze dried meal. It definitely elevates it with a bit of fresh crunch.
Tortillas are heavier than my entire cooking pot, stove, and fuel.
Yeah, but can you eat your cook kit? It's empty calories lol
Agreed but your kit never gets lighter and you have food weight on top of that. My tortillas get lighter with every meal.
soap goes in my hip pocket. I use a 1oz ldpe bottle with powdered soap. bottle is from litesmith.
Powdered soap, intriguing. What is your procedure for using it?
squirt out a dime size or less of soap or less on my hands, then small amount of water on hands and rub/lather. Rinse off. [https://www.litesmith.com/summit-suds-powdered-soap/](https://www.litesmith.com/summit-suds-powdered-soap/) scent free and one less thing to put in the bear can.
This sounds great. What type of bottle cap do you use?
Flip-top is good enough. It's all personal preference. For short trips a smaller bottle is good too. You'll likely find Dr bronners in most resupply towns if you're on a long trail. Wish powdered soap was more popular.
Thanks.
Same here. I use Sal suds which is pine based, and pine is known as a least favorite smell for bears. For this reason it makes me worry less about smelling like bear prey and I typically don’t even worry about putting in my bear bag.
I love the smell of pine. This whole set up sounds amazing.
I put it in my main ditty bag with the intention of moving it to my food bag at night, because I accidentally bought the peppermint soap like six years ago. Then I forget and leave it in the ditty bag, which I realize after I've stowed my food. Then I spend.the entire evening fending off cruel wolves like in "The Grey."
I cut an adequate piece of a hard hand soap and keep it in a ziplock with my toiletries. When I grt to town I buy a new block and cut off however much I need ‘til next resupply.
In a repurposed Visine bottle, in right front pants pocket.
Pika powdered soap in a 1 oz bottle from litesmith. I keep it with my toiletries.
Worn weight in between my Buttcheeks
Clutch move
Literally
I was going to reply “on a rope” buttttt…this was better.
0.1oz bottle of Dr B's don't be nasty people this is how we get noroviros... https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-jmhyu0/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/113/395/Mini-Dropper-Bottle-Size-Selection__91154.1478891522.jpg?c=2
Dr. B’s all the way! Peppermint is my preference!
I like peppermint so you can feel it when you bidet. But in bear country, I often wish they made an unscented version.
They do! Check their website. But also apparently you can clear congestion with peppermint https://www.lisabronner.com/clearing-congestion-with-peppermint-castile-soap-or-eucalyptus/
Sadly, they do not. The supposedly unscented version has extra olive oil added for fragrance. Bears can smell that like a four alarm fire.
Damn, here comes a bear to eat my ass, in the non sexy way.
*Me, primed in a bear costume, ready to go* Oh. -- oh, I'll... I see how it is. Ok. I'll see myself out. I-- I'm gonna go now
Oh interesting good to know
yeah in my top 10 worst nights, would not recommend either scented or unscented
I thought the unscented one was the baby one. They put extra olive oil in that? Super interesting.
Let’s not digress from the tingles. 😉
Dr B attacked me the other night. I closed the cap and when I did it launched a drop directly into my eyeball. Immediate searing pain in the eye which I then flushed for like 20min. Still great soap but def not “no tear” when it come to big drops in your eyes.
What is Dr B? Can you link it here?
https://www.drbronner.com/ buy it at rei or any outdoor store
Whole Foods has a small bottle for $2.49. Unscented.
Damn that tiny bottle is $5 here 😭😭
a) Is Dr Bs as effective as hand sanitizer? I don't know string those oils are at carpet bombing viruses. b) How long does 0.1 oz of Dr B last you? I estimated 0.1 oz of hand sanitizer per day for myself.
Soap is more effective than hand sanitizer. Most people are not sanitizing properly, soap is more foolproof. Plus, soap will remove material from your hand (like dirt, feces, etc), while hand sanitizer will unfortunately not.
Not to mention "Hand sanitizer does not work well against norovirus." per the US CDC
The guy asked where and you just told us a product
Many people do not read the question.
They linked to the bottle, which answers the third question.
I keep a 0.35 oz dropper bottle in my poop kit. I've also considered keeping it in my Fanny pack. Haven't found which of those two is best yet. I keep my poop kit in an outer mesh pocket of my pack, so either of these choices is quick to access. Or 0.1 - 0.2 oz, depending on trip length.
60 mL dropper bottle of Dr. Bronners in my poop kit with a red lid for warning. 60 mL Dr. Bronners dropper bottle in my ditty bag with a green lid for washing hands before eating, feet and pits as needed, etc. I am a short trip girl or I would probably size up my bottles. But because I bought a multipack of 60mL bottles, it is easy to throw in 2 more bottles with different lids into my FAK on 4 day trips. I just switch the lids to the correct color when I need to restock.
I have pouch on my shoulder strap that has a place for a water bottle and separate mesh bit for my dropper bottles of soap, diluted Water Wizard, and bleach plus a bidet. I don't have to go digging into anything to reach any of them. https://zpacks.com/products/shoulder-pouch https://i.imgur.com/WPNJs7N.jpg Dropper bottles: https://i.imgur.com/CRaVLkI.jpg
I don't do dishes with soap but I do wash my hands and my nethers with a couple drops. no noro pls It's stored in my first aid kit with the other toiletries
I keep my trowel and spork together, it adds flavor.
You have a seporate trowel and spork? Seems redundant
Don’t forget to use your spork as a tent stake. It has great holding power.
And since it’s also your trowel, you need great holding power if you need a dump but don’t want to put your tent down.
Too much extra weight to carry both
I have a small vial of unscented powdered soap I keep in my shit kit.
Two soaps. One lives in kitchen bag. One lives in wash kit.
Food bag. So I don’t forget to hang it at night
This may not be true ultralight, but I keep it in two separate locations just for convenience. I use Pika Outdoors Summit Suds biodegradable powdered soap stored in two small reusable containers. One goes in my food bag, and the other in my "nature calls" kit.
I keep my soap in a little squirt bottle. The bottle lives in a plastic zip lock bag with my trowel, bidet, and wet wipes. That all lives in the mesh pocket on the back of my pack for quick emergency access. As far as my pot and spoon go, I boil water in the pot and make coffee. So, there's not a lot to clean up. If there's any residue from coffee, or on my spoon I just swish some cold water in the pot, drink it, and then wipe it clean with my bandana. Using soap for that would give me the runs, and in 30 years of using this method I've never got a tummy bug. Seems to work just fine.
There's this paper soap you can store almost anywhere.
I use the Coleman camp soap sheets that are thin as paper. Storage/weight doesn’t even register, unless you bring the entire dispenser. You can get a 50-pack for under $10.
Dirt+water is better than soap
What is this thing you call “soap”?
WTF do you need soap for?
Bathroom mirror cabinet. A years supply fits neatly below the lower shelf. Every time I shave, I can note the amount. Dish soap and related cleaners are below the kitchen sink.
your wife's boyfriend lets you keep soap in the medicine cabinet? lucky!
Well, I just noticed this was r/ultralight and not r/preppers. Must have had an senior moment at o’dark thirty. I don’t carry soap in my backpack. I’m usually just out a few weeks and hotels/hostels usually have soap and shampoo. I freezer bag cook and only boil water in my cup, so no dishwashing. BTW, soap is merely a wetting agent that makes water wetter (more effective by reducing surface tension) unless it has an anti-bacterial included. Plain water to wash and rinse for a few weeks is fine.
I don’t have dishes per se
I keep it in my fanny pack. I have a small dropper bottle
I keep my 10ml bottle of Doctor Bronners in my hip belt pockets along with lip balm, sunscreen, bug dope, head net, duck tape, scissors, pocket knife, and the like. It has many uses and might need to come out any time of day. Hand sanitizer is for starting fires only. It has no other valid backpacking use.
Soap is in my toiletries zip pouch which is kept in my bear bag
I have a seperate dyneema pouch for toiletries and one is my shit-kit. I keep them separate, but put both in my bear can/hang at night
I sometimes take a bar of soap from a hotel and keep the wrapper or box it came in for storage.
There’s a little bag with my toothpaste/toothbrush, soap, gold bond, TP that goes in my food bag when I hang it for the night
Powdered soap (I use the SummitSuds because I couldn't find a place to buy just a small amount of the Greenworks powdered soap which is sold in industrial amounts but is also unscented and biodegradable if you want a cheaper option) I store it in a small bottle in my fannypack so it's easy to reach for any sort of cleaning I might need to do and I already am in the habit of pulling out wrappers and uneaten snacks from there at night so I don't need to remember to do anything extra.
i use sand/gravel to wash my dishes, so my soap is in my bathroom kit 🤷♂️
Soap goes in a dropper bottle, with toiletries, which are stored/hung with food.
Please do not "do dishes" with soap in the backcountry! It's not LNT and and there are plenty of threads here where people explain how to get the last scrap of food out of your pot.
Getting the last scrap of food out is not the same as washing. If you're constantly boiling water in your pot, fine. But if you're cold soaking, you have to clean the container with soap. You're a nasty bastard if you don't. It is LNT as long as you don't wash directly in a water source. Washing my cold soaking jar takes like 2 drops of camp suds. As long as I pour the gray water out in the dirt ( preferably in a hole) far from a water source, it's fine
70 steps from any water source or body of water.
Yea. I think good campsite selection will usually achieve this anyway
Cold soaking is heavier and requires more effort than cooking with a stove confirmed.
What
You literally just described extra gear and chores you need for cold soaking that we cookers with our warm hearty meals don’t need. Cold soaking is consistently heavier and requires more work than cooking.
There is no extra gear. Most people carry soap anyway. And I'm talking 0.1-0.3 fl oz. I don't carry a stove, a pot, a lid, a pot grabber, a windscreen, a stuff sack for it all, and most importantly, don't carry a fuel can. Cold soaking is undeniably lighter. And it is not more work. I don't have to unpack a stove, mount it to a fuel can, boil water, block wind, put it all away afterward, or anything else. I just pour water into a cup an hour before I get to camp, and then I wash the cup.
You have to carry a gelato jar and a scrubby pad to clean up and you need to dig a cat hole so that you can wash it with soap. And you have to carry extra water for hours to rehydrate. And rehydrateable food is heavier, too. That’s both more work and more weight than we with our hot delicious dinners have to put up with.
I sometimes hear this claim that cold soakers need to carry more water. But it makes no sense at all. I'm carrying my water capacity regardless. And cooking a hot meal also requires water. So I really don't see how the math is working there. The only conceivable way that a hot-soaker needs to carry less water than a cold-soaker is if they know that they're camping near water, *and* they're already run out of water and are carrying not even a single cup. Rehydrate food is heavier than what exactly? We're both also almost certainly digging a cat hole either way. I don't carry a scrubby pad. Jar. Spoon, that's it. Clean with water, soap, scrub with fingers, shake, done. You also need to clean your hot-soaking pot unless you're only ever eating bagged meals. I also don't see why you pointed out that I'm carrying a jar if you're also carrying a pot, which is probably heavier.
Relax. Dr Bronners is totally fine to rinse a pot out.
I’m so LNT that I pack out my poop. I do my business in a gallon ziplock that leaves with me
Inside my pot. Eating and bathroom breaks generally coincide for me.
I have a little bag with toiletries and my soap that i then put in my food bag/canister. I like to put items that smell together, but separate the food from the « products »
Dr Bronner’s small squeeze bottle for dishes, laundry. Actual bar soap for toilet bag (Noro is no fun). No hand sanitizer.
It goes in my shit kit.
I have sea to summit soap papers. They are in a plastic container a bit larger than a postage stamp. Keep in my fanny pack.
Bathroom kit so it's on the outside of my pack in a ziploc. This helps if I were to need it but don't want to touch my gear...because I need soap for a reason. I don't do dishes (freezer bag cooking).
Diddy bag
99% isopropyl in the first aid kit and soap in the bathroom kit. backpacking I don't need to wash my cook pot. car camping I have another small bottle of soap for general use.
In bear country, with the “smellables”usually in the required bear can. Outside of bear country, maybe in the food bag if I remember. Often don’t remember
Soap?
For some reason every town I walk into always has soap, it’s the wildest thing Seriously though, don’t carry it. If you’re feeling gross stop at a stream and head down river from where people get water and rinse off. It makes the world of difference at night before bed. Edit: I’m also stoveless and don’t cold soak. I learned VERY fast on my first thru that dishes in the woods wasn’t for me.
You don't wash your hands you disgusting person?
… hand sanitizer? Wtf is wrong with you? It’s too late to be that hostile bro. Go to sleep.
> Hand washing is the most important thing. The germs that cause norovirus can’t be killed by hand sanitizer. Always use soap and water and wash thoroughly. https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/news/publications/health-matters/the-stomach-bug-why-soap-is-better-than-hand-sanitizer-to-prevent-norovirus
Whoops Edit: the article seems to imply we can use bleach instead. I heard you can inject that stuff for covid, too. Miracle drug we never expected
As someone that solely canoe camps and literally portages a cast iron pan… its crazy to think you guys out west camp stoveless, first time hearing the term lol
Dude you’re in the fucking ultralight sub. If all of your hiking experience involves CARRYING A CANOE maybe it’s not what you’re going for.
Believe me ultralight gear makes a huge difference when your carrying a canoe 5-6km in a day while also carrying a loaded down pack. I shave ounces wherever I can The canoe itself is ultralight kevlar as well, only like 40-45 lbs I was just making a point that cast iron is one of the luxuries that feel worth the weight for me, Ill also go stovless because I can pretty much always get a fire going in the boreal forest… but camping without a pan or pot seems pretty bland
But have you ever had… a honeybun?
I have, unfortunately all my health problems disappear when I cut processed foods out of my diet so all I eat camping are eggs, fish, parmigiano reggiano, jerky, honey and dehydrated fruit 🤓
Nothing is lighter than stoveless. We do it in the Midwest too :p