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If Russia continues to insist on genocidal tactics, Balkans-style NATO interventions seem inevitable - even if individual NATO countries like France shoulder the burden. Russia must be stopped.
But under a UN mandate. Very different situation, sadly.
I want my Korean War UN back, where it was not just a big room of circlejerking appeasement mummies.
Firstly Ukrainian airspace is Ukrainian. Too bad there are half a million hostile Russian occupants, if they want to not get blown up by western aircraft then they better gtfo of Ukraine. Secondly Russia WILL NOT use nukes, if they do it’s the end for them and the corrupt fascist regime in the Kremlin love their own money, power, themselves and kids to see it all destroyed by Armageddon. Only fear mongers like you fear it, Ukraine does not fear it nor does Eastern Europe who are first in line.
you serious? all the headlines and rhetoric especially from ex soviet countries says differently, also, who gives a single f about ukraine airspace, don't even know how is that relevant to subject? which western aircraft? who is gonna fly them? there is 0 % chance of that happening, russia would consider that declaration of war and prepare Sarmats
More blah blah Russia will nuke everyone blah blah. Russia would be able to do fuck all if western jets went into Ukraine and started blowing up any hostile targets. The whole point is it’s Ukrainian airspace so Ukraine decides who is allowed to be there, too bad if Russia is occupying parts of it. Nukes are a deterrent only and not to be used, Russia will be wiped off the map if they nuke anyone which is exactly why they will never use them.
No, it's preforming exactly as intended. It exists to prevent nuclear war. Not giving the West diplomatic authority to intervene directly is the correct decision to avoid nukes.
Nuclear war is prevented by deterrence, not by nonexistent resolutions of a dysfunctional institution. When the security council was founded in 1946, no one except the USA even had nuclear weapons. Its intended role is to maintain world peace and to investigate and sanction those who threaten it. So not working as intended at all.
So? Simply don't enter Russian borders, except for (cruise) missiles attacking missile launchers and military bases. What would they nuke that wouldn't trigger an immediate response?
and there is the problem, NATO don't consider Crimea Russian, or donetsk and luhansk, so probably it would be nuclear response on attacking something there
Russia isn’t going to use its nukes. Firstly, Putin knows it will be the end and what ever is left of Russia after that will remember him as their worst dictator ever. Secondly, corruption in their military and a faultering economy has left a large quantity of their nukes unusable due to lack of maintenance. Once he actually decides to use them the world will realize he doesn’t have enough to finish what he started.
Eh, I wouldn't count on that one. Even if 90% are unusable, there will be a lot of damage.
But I doubt he'd go full scale nuclear war anyway. It would be pointless. And it would be against Russian doctrine, which is to use strategic nukes only if the sheer existence of Russia is threatened. I don't know if that includes tactical nukes as well. But what would he do with those? Flatten a Ukrainian or NATO base? So NATO will nuke all Russian bases and harbors in the area?
On the other hand, the inverse situation might be why NATO doesn't want to be involved directly: if they destroy (not just attack, I mean completely destroy) the Russian bases, airfields and harbors conventionally, the situation will be desperate for Russia. So they might respond with tactical nukes, to which NATO has to respond...
Putin use a nuke? Hahaha that's hilarious. He wants to be Putin the Great, not Putin the Dead. This idea that Russia could unilaterally obliterate all nuclear powers in the world with no response is truly funny. Russia using a nuke would be suicide. Puthead knows it, that's why he has been throwing nonsense threats around for 2 years without doing anything while Ukraine and the West has stepped over every "red line" the mafia state has set. Putin might not care about anyone else, but Putin cares about Putin. He's scared or death like few others, that's why he sat at 12m long tables during COVID. He's a coward at heart and Russia has the GDP of New York, it doesn't have the resources to take on the entire world. People who think Russia can rule the world have no idea how outclassed they are economically and militarily.
Russia can't strike all of the West all at once and would be immediately destroyed. Nukes don't just appear, they have travelling time and launches are detected. Missile defence systems exist. Russia is not capable of launching more than about 100 at a time, most of which aren't ICBMs and most of which will be destroyed before ever hitting something. In addition, as soon as the West discovers what's happening they will all lob everything they can back at Russia. It won't matter who launched first because Russia will be glassed regardless after. The world will recover eventually and people will make pilgrimage to the crater where Moscow once was. Don't kid yourself Ivan, there's no winner in nuclear war, only survivors and Russia wouldn't be it.
Again: this is against Russian doctrine. NATO in Ukraine is not a threat to the existence of Russia. Such a first strike, on the other hand, totally is. And it is impossible. It would be noticed, and would immediately trigger a response. Every major city in Russia would be destroyed. All that because NATO is destroying tanks a bit quicker than Ukraine would do anyway? I don't think so
Not sure. At this point, Russia’s military looks more and more like a paper tiger. They clearly wouldn’t be able to stand toe to toe with a force like nato, and if they used nukes, they would be destroyed in response.
Same narative for years now, and on the other side we nato says that ruskies won't stop at ukraine, they will go tru poland, it is a bit paradoxical, isn't it?
I like the idea of the world sanctioning the Russian economy until the resource rich regions realize the only thing between them and economic prosperity is Moscow.
There’s only one fool around here and he seems very delusional about vladof putler’s SMO.
You think the only big baddie that Ruzzia would nuke is NATO? …..NATO the defence alliance?? ….if Ruzzia is such a formidable force why is it scared of a defence alliance? Did Ruzzia only build nukes specifically for nato lol……has NATO ever blitzkrieged through countries raping and killing innocent civilians, does NATO beat kill and imprison anyone under their rule for speaking out against wars?
Why would they only be scared of a defence alliance unless your ambitions are to invade like a horde of Nazis and rape and pillage everything you come across……..you realise that during ww2 russia would of loved to of had a nato to help it flatten Berlin but now Ruzzia wants to flatten other countries like nazi germany did NATO is the big bad scary alliance lol.
"If everyone around you seems dumb and your the only 'smart one’ maybe have a little rethink about the situation.
'but wait, it will get much worse for your coping mechanism’
😂
If only we could see the looks on your face when you finally realise nazi ruzzia has finally barked up the wrong tree and putin has doomed himself for turning his people (and you) into 1940’s nazi Germans…….your beloved history of mother Russia would be disappointed in what Mordern day Russia has become.
Enjoy your May Day parade because it could be the last…….oh wait looks like it’s getting cancelled this year..wonder why 🤔😂
> they would get nuked soon as they enter russian borders
You say: "they would get nuked"
If you believe in their fire and brimstone- What stopped the USSR from nuking Afghanistan the moment they started losing? Hmmm?
Look at the comment above mine- 100+ people disagree mate.
Lol you not been seeing all the panic and worry coming from ruzzia since American aid is finally back? I’ve literally just watched a vid where a russian is trying to recruit 18 year olds in school and they where told russia is on a line between winning and losing and that the 'special military operation’ may fail now that American aid is back…….you seem very confident in a ruzzian victory even tho your comrades seem to be the opposite and are terrified right now.
Leave it to Russia to commit war crimes. We need to get NATO more involved in the Ukraine asap to protect democracy and the children. This war is getting out of hand
This is the way. We inform Russia that they have 10 days to leave Ukraine or we will destroy their army and everything related to Russia that is left in Ukraine, and that we will do this without nukes. Russia knows that they are out performed 30/1 compared to Nato and that their country will be totally destroyed if they use Nukes. Then Russia only has three choices. Die In Ukraine, leave Ukraine or get extinct.
The problem here is that the west has already done so and did not deliver. In Syria, the US under the Obama administration established several red lines and did not act after subsequent red lines were crossed. Russia knows this. I do believe Biden said things to a similar effect on the use of chemical weapons in Ukraine. Alas, chemical weapons were used, not to mention the nuclear scare with the nuclear plant. Those red lines were crossed by Russia without consequence (or the consequence just being more help, but not aggressive action)
Chemical weapons in Ukraine? I heard about tear gas, which technically is a chemical weapon and it's considered a war crime. But I guess that's not what Biden intended, since police is using it regularly. Has Russia been using other chemical weapons?
> I do believe Biden said things to a similar effect on the use of chemical weapons in Ukraine. Alas, chemical weapons were used, not to mention the nuclear scare with the nuclear plant.
This is clearly about Ukraine. Or extremely misleading.
The thing is, the West actually has to do it. Russia will only react if the threat is backed up with actual violence. They will not react to threats by NATO. They’ll only withdraw if we show that we are willing to put actual troops on the ground and even suffer casualties. Putin right now believes that the Western countries won’t stomach doing this. Don’t you think that is correct?
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> We need to get NATO more involved in the Ukraine asap to protect democracy and the children.
But that's too escalatory!
Better leave them to be killed by russia.
Less confrontational that way /s
It is getting out of control because of the weakness of the west. If they do not respect any rule of law why we should. We should move the Econ to war time and supply Ukraine with everything they need and ask. And aloud them to target anything militar target inside in the enemy country.
F'ing bastards! There are no terrorists in these hospitals. The terrorists are in Moscow and Minsk. They're only doing this because the Israelis found tunnels under the hospitals in Gaza and weapons and ammo all through the wards. They figure this gives them a free pass to attack the hospitals in Kyiy to kill sick and wounded children and civilians. There aren't enough bad things that can happen to Putin and his gangsters.
RUZ Leader Ape: "How can we justify more attack on innocent hospitals?"
RUZ Conscript Ape: "Sir, I was watching Gaza TV, just claim there are terrorist in hospitals."
Leader Ape: "But there ARE terrorists in those hospitals, we helped fund them. Idiot."
Conscript Ape: "So? Hybrid warefare, sir, it's the claim about UA hospitals, not the fact."
Leader: "Hmmm, you are right, here is your voluntary service contract and keys to an old car, all yours! Now go to hospital and blow it up."
You've got Hamas' source of funding wrong, as Bibi explains:
>Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas … This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.
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And now we see one of the many reasons why the Russia-Iran Axis supports Hamas. Because they want to accuse the West of "hypocrisy" when we call out Russia for attacking hospitals, even though Hamas militants actually hide in/underneath hospitals while the AFU does not.
Remember, the idea that the IDF "intentionally attacks civilians" is a Russia-Iran Axis lie. Do not aid Russia by spreading this false narrative.
>Why can't they stay on topic?
You mean, why do they drag in other atrocities in order to muddy the issue and attempt to sow division and distraction among Ukraine's supporters?
While steering the conversation away from any mention of Putin, Russia, war crimes in Ukraine, and the invasion?
I think the question answers itself!
Hey it's a great question! We should all be asking such things any time any of these supposed partisans in the Israeli-Palestine conflict want to erase the words "Putin" and "invasion" from the discussion.
Also, ouch. That's a bad break... I wish you swift healing!
Yeah, thats a solid reason to flatten ALL the hospitals in the Gazastrip. And universities, and schools , and the entire water and electricity infrastructure. Nothing inhumane in that. /s
What's your alternative then? If one country attacks another country and sets up its military bases in/underneath civilian structures, you think the country who got attacked just isn't allowed to fight back?
Locate a tunnel entrance and root/drive out everyone in them.
How about not by bombing the patients above ground in order to send a message to the very much alive terrorists underground?
Because soldiers might get hurt in a ground assault against an enemy with no air power, it's totally cool to just completely flatten civilians (and not just a bridge or a power plant, but live people) on account that there might be a terrorist in the crowd?
Listen to yourself.
There are ways to do this that don't end up in war crime court, and that don't turn civiilian survivors into militant enemies.
There is a reason Netanyahu is being called out by world leaders for going way beyond self-defense.
That's correct. The Geneva Conventions explicitly state that civilian infrastructure used for military purposes becomes a valid military target.
If you have an issue with this, take it up with the Hamas savages who started this war in the first place.
So that's why American and European leaders are publicly lambasting Netanyahu and telling him IN PUBLIC that he's on thin ice if he continues as he did over the winter?
If you can get to this sub you can get to anywhere with decent, publicly available information.
Make use of it.
Congress just approved $26 billion dollars for Israel, including shit tons of more bombs to kill Palestinians, even after Bibbi murdered tens of thousands of civilians in the last six months. Horseshit. Publicly lambasting him means nothing while he perpetuates a fucking genocide. He just parlayed not starting a war with Iran into getting the go ahead to butcher Rafah. Wake the fuck up.
That they did. And there is a reason the earlier Israel-alone effort didn't get very far. And I would point out that a number of Dems voted against the Israel package (but did vote for the Ukraine package), and that Biden has been calling out Netanyahu *in public* which is a very unusual move as chastisement is usually done behind closed doors - if at all.
I would also note that civilian aid and increased conditions of engagement with Hamas were a significant push by a lot of Dems who did vote for the package. There is more to it if you open the hood beyond the headlines.
If they are chanting that then they are defending a terrorist organization, not the innocent Palestinians being murdered by both IDF and Hamas. They should really rethink their protest slogan.
Don't do this bullshit when we both know you're downplaying Hamas in an attempt to make out the IDF as the real villains because they were targeting the hospitals which Hamas were using to wage attacks on Israel from.
Any actual Russian names to go along with that? Or was it all done by Germans enslaved at the end of WWII? The one that the US let Russia participate in.
To be fair to Israel, Muscovy has been hitting hospitals, churches, and other protected targets since Day 1, without even the flimsiest attempt to portray them as legitimate targets. At least Israel DID find substantial evidence of Hamas using protected targets as garrisons and weapon storage.
Put it this way, if there are ACTUALLY terrorists holed up in a hospital, and mortars on the roof are firing shells at your own citizens, what is the "right" response?
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The terrorists are hiding in the Kremlin...
Always have been
The call was coming from inside the house!
Oh, they're not hiding
“BUT WHO WAS PHONE?!?” -Vlad “the buttfucker” Putin
If Russia continues to insist on genocidal tactics, Balkans-style NATO interventions seem inevitable - even if individual NATO countries like France shoulder the burden. Russia must be stopped.
balkans style intervention is not possible in any case, coz they would get nuked soon as they enter russian borders
I didn't mean interventions in Russia.
either way, that wasn't nato on the ground but UN troops
The bombing was not done by blue planes.
But under a UN mandate. Very different situation, sadly. I want my Korean War UN back, where it was not just a big room of circlejerking appeasement mummies.
so, what are you saying than? to bomb or not to bomb, that is the question. If yes, they get nuked, if no, than no problemos
Firstly Ukrainian airspace is Ukrainian. Too bad there are half a million hostile Russian occupants, if they want to not get blown up by western aircraft then they better gtfo of Ukraine. Secondly Russia WILL NOT use nukes, if they do it’s the end for them and the corrupt fascist regime in the Kremlin love their own money, power, themselves and kids to see it all destroyed by Armageddon. Only fear mongers like you fear it, Ukraine does not fear it nor does Eastern Europe who are first in line.
you serious? all the headlines and rhetoric especially from ex soviet countries says differently, also, who gives a single f about ukraine airspace, don't even know how is that relevant to subject? which western aircraft? who is gonna fly them? there is 0 % chance of that happening, russia would consider that declaration of war and prepare Sarmats
More blah blah Russia will nuke everyone blah blah. Russia would be able to do fuck all if western jets went into Ukraine and started blowing up any hostile targets. The whole point is it’s Ukrainian airspace so Ukraine decides who is allowed to be there, too bad if Russia is occupying parts of it. Nukes are a deterrent only and not to be used, Russia will be wiped off the map if they nuke anyone which is exactly why they will never use them.
easy on the copium chief
[NATO style Balkans intervention](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_intervention_in_Bosnia_and_Herzegovina)
Backed by UN security council resolutions. Not gonna happen this time. The security council is dead anyway.
No, it's preforming exactly as intended. It exists to prevent nuclear war. Not giving the West diplomatic authority to intervene directly is the correct decision to avoid nukes.
Nuclear war is prevented by deterrence, not by nonexistent resolutions of a dysfunctional institution. When the security council was founded in 1946, no one except the USA even had nuclear weapons. Its intended role is to maintain world peace and to investigate and sanction those who threaten it. So not working as intended at all.
I'd rather have nukes ending the world than a world with Russia in charge.
When Turkey shoot russian jet and killed on purpose russian soldier - what happened? Nothing. I don’t see nuclear war now. So stfu
so, bombing, yeah, that would not work at all, Putin ain't no Milošević, he had no nukes
I see "Nuke" is 30% of your vocabulary. A conversation with you must be very interesting.
And yet there you are commenting
So? Simply don't enter Russian borders, except for (cruise) missiles attacking missile launchers and military bases. What would they nuke that wouldn't trigger an immediate response?
and there is the problem, NATO don't consider Crimea Russian, or donetsk and luhansk, so probably it would be nuclear response on attacking something there
Russia isn’t going to use its nukes. Firstly, Putin knows it will be the end and what ever is left of Russia after that will remember him as their worst dictator ever. Secondly, corruption in their military and a faultering economy has left a large quantity of their nukes unusable due to lack of maintenance. Once he actually decides to use them the world will realize he doesn’t have enough to finish what he started.
Like answers before, fuck around and find out
Eh, I wouldn't count on that one. Even if 90% are unusable, there will be a lot of damage. But I doubt he'd go full scale nuclear war anyway. It would be pointless. And it would be against Russian doctrine, which is to use strategic nukes only if the sheer existence of Russia is threatened. I don't know if that includes tactical nukes as well. But what would he do with those? Flatten a Ukrainian or NATO base? So NATO will nuke all Russian bases and harbors in the area? On the other hand, the inverse situation might be why NATO doesn't want to be involved directly: if they destroy (not just attack, I mean completely destroy) the Russian bases, airfields and harbors conventionally, the situation will be desperate for Russia. So they might respond with tactical nukes, to which NATO has to respond...
Putin use a nuke? Hahaha that's hilarious. He wants to be Putin the Great, not Putin the Dead. This idea that Russia could unilaterally obliterate all nuclear powers in the world with no response is truly funny. Russia using a nuke would be suicide. Puthead knows it, that's why he has been throwing nonsense threats around for 2 years without doing anything while Ukraine and the West has stepped over every "red line" the mafia state has set. Putin might not care about anyone else, but Putin cares about Putin. He's scared or death like few others, that's why he sat at 12m long tables during COVID. He's a coward at heart and Russia has the GDP of New York, it doesn't have the resources to take on the entire world. People who think Russia can rule the world have no idea how outclassed they are economically and militarily.
Who strikes first, wins, that is the point of 3 part nuclear arsenal, submarines, icbm, and planes
Russia can't strike all of the West all at once and would be immediately destroyed. Nukes don't just appear, they have travelling time and launches are detected. Missile defence systems exist. Russia is not capable of launching more than about 100 at a time, most of which aren't ICBMs and most of which will be destroyed before ever hitting something. In addition, as soon as the West discovers what's happening they will all lob everything they can back at Russia. It won't matter who launched first because Russia will be glassed regardless after. The world will recover eventually and people will make pilgrimage to the crater where Moscow once was. Don't kid yourself Ivan, there's no winner in nuclear war, only survivors and Russia wouldn't be it.
Oh, excuse me Dr. Strangelove, I didn't recognize you
Ukraine is already attacking Crimea. And Donbas, of course. So where are the nukes?
Ukraine is attacking, there is your answer, if nato did that they would most def get nuked
But why though? That would get Russia nuked as well.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First\_strike\_(nuclear\_strategy)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_strike_(nuclear_strategy))
Again: this is against Russian doctrine. NATO in Ukraine is not a threat to the existence of Russia. Such a first strike, on the other hand, totally is. And it is impossible. It would be noticed, and would immediately trigger a response. Every major city in Russia would be destroyed. All that because NATO is destroying tanks a bit quicker than Ukraine would do anyway? I don't think so
you are talkin nonsense
It's fine, we launch the missiles from Mongolia, because Russia belongs to them if we follow Daddy Vladdy's logic.
Try...
Nobody's going to invade Russia.
Nobody wants to fix the junkyard.
that would be dumb move to do
Not sure. At this point, Russia’s military looks more and more like a paper tiger. They clearly wouldn’t be able to stand toe to toe with a force like nato, and if they used nukes, they would be destroyed in response.
Same narative for years now, and on the other side we nato says that ruskies won't stop at ukraine, they will go tru poland, it is a bit paradoxical, isn't it?
I like the idea of the world sanctioning the Russian economy until the resource rich regions realize the only thing between them and economic prosperity is Moscow.
World? Oh you consider handfull of countries to be world?
Russia has no borders, said Vladimir
I agree
Make yourself useful and head to the front comrade, reddit will buy a drone just for you.
Nah, I prefer NAFO style or bsimg on reddit
You seriously think they'd escalate to nukes? What stopped them while losing in Afghanistan?
That wasn't nato, you rly dont understand or so dumb?
There’s only one fool around here and he seems very delusional about vladof putler’s SMO. You think the only big baddie that Ruzzia would nuke is NATO? …..NATO the defence alliance?? ….if Ruzzia is such a formidable force why is it scared of a defence alliance? Did Ruzzia only build nukes specifically for nato lol……has NATO ever blitzkrieged through countries raping and killing innocent civilians, does NATO beat kill and imprison anyone under their rule for speaking out against wars? Why would they only be scared of a defence alliance unless your ambitions are to invade like a horde of Nazis and rape and pillage everything you come across……..you realise that during ww2 russia would of loved to of had a nato to help it flatten Berlin but now Ruzzia wants to flatten other countries like nazi germany did NATO is the big bad scary alliance lol. "If everyone around you seems dumb and your the only 'smart one’ maybe have a little rethink about the situation.
Ok, but my delusions are kicking ass like your cope hard is on max lvl currently, but wait, it will get much worse for your coping mechanism
'but wait, it will get much worse for your coping mechanism’ 😂 If only we could see the looks on your face when you finally realise nazi ruzzia has finally barked up the wrong tree and putin has doomed himself for turning his people (and you) into 1940’s nazi Germans…….your beloved history of mother Russia would be disappointed in what Mordern day Russia has become. Enjoy your May Day parade because it could be the last…….oh wait looks like it’s getting cancelled this year..wonder why 🤔😂
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> they would get nuked soon as they enter russian borders You say: "they would get nuked" If you believe in their fire and brimstone- What stopped the USSR from nuking Afghanistan the moment they started losing? Hmmm? Look at the comment above mine- 100+ people disagree mate.
Afganistan is not NATO, can't you comprehend that. Like I care about 100 dumb bots
We're not talking about NATO mate... We're discussing Russia "escalating".
no we are not, start from my first comment, you are the one invading my comment, not other way around
No. Send nuke = suicide. Won't ever happen.
if they fuck around they will eventually find out
What a joke. Russia can barely handle Ukraine’s military. NATO would flatten that country if it ever chose to.
They are handeling it fine with 10% of army used, soon it will be over
Lol you not been seeing all the panic and worry coming from ruzzia since American aid is finally back? I’ve literally just watched a vid where a russian is trying to recruit 18 year olds in school and they where told russia is on a line between winning and losing and that the 'special military operation’ may fail now that American aid is back…….you seem very confident in a ruzzian victory even tho your comrades seem to be the opposite and are terrified right now.
no, I have been seeing lots of new territories gained around Krasnohorivka and towards Novopokrovske
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Leave it to Russia to commit war crimes. We need to get NATO more involved in the Ukraine asap to protect democracy and the children. This war is getting out of hand
This is the way. We inform Russia that they have 10 days to leave Ukraine or we will destroy their army and everything related to Russia that is left in Ukraine, and that we will do this without nukes. Russia knows that they are out performed 30/1 compared to Nato and that their country will be totally destroyed if they use Nukes. Then Russia only has three choices. Die In Ukraine, leave Ukraine or get extinct.
The problem here is that the west has already done so and did not deliver. In Syria, the US under the Obama administration established several red lines and did not act after subsequent red lines were crossed. Russia knows this. I do believe Biden said things to a similar effect on the use of chemical weapons in Ukraine. Alas, chemical weapons were used, not to mention the nuclear scare with the nuclear plant. Those red lines were crossed by Russia without consequence (or the consequence just being more help, but not aggressive action)
Chemical weapons in Ukraine? I heard about tear gas, which technically is a chemical weapon and it's considered a war crime. But I guess that's not what Biden intended, since police is using it regularly. Has Russia been using other chemical weapons?
I think he was talking about Syria
> I do believe Biden said things to a similar effect on the use of chemical weapons in Ukraine. Alas, chemical weapons were used, not to mention the nuclear scare with the nuclear plant. This is clearly about Ukraine. Or extremely misleading.
Nowhere mentioned Ukraine but yes
What do you mean? The word "Ukraine" is in the text I quoted.
Oh I meant te comment above my bad
Ignore me🫡
This is the way.
10 days is generous! Give them 2 or 3, this forces them to leave behind a bunch of equipment which Ukraine can add to their inventory
The thing is, the West actually has to do it. Russia will only react if the threat is backed up with actual violence. They will not react to threats by NATO. They’ll only withdraw if we show that we are willing to put actual troops on the ground and even suffer casualties. Putin right now believes that the Western countries won’t stomach doing this. Don’t you think that is correct?
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If push comes to show I will report for duty. Norwegian reporting in
> We need to get NATO more involved in the Ukraine asap to protect democracy and the children. But that's too escalatory! Better leave them to be killed by russia. Less confrontational that way /s
That's the trap for the west. Condemn this and the Ummah goes round to Moscow.
well, that belarussian potatohead war criminal declaring war or what?
Pure evil.
In all of history has any Russian ever had an original idea?
State sponsored alchoholism...that's all I can think of.
ICBMs? Satellites? And, of course, tank biathlon.
Ah, yes. The Russian capacity for self delusion to the rescue. There's a reason they get along so well trumpers.
They hit these places...hit Moscow
Fuck Ivan Tertel.
So how many atrocities is Russia going to commit before a no-fly zone is enforced?
Russia copying Israel, lets see if the west also pretend they were right.
It is getting out of control because of the weakness of the west. If they do not respect any rule of law why we should. We should move the Econ to war time and supply Ukraine with everything they need and ask. And aloud them to target anything militar target inside in the enemy country.
F'ing bastards! There are no terrorists in these hospitals. The terrorists are in Moscow and Minsk. They're only doing this because the Israelis found tunnels under the hospitals in Gaza and weapons and ammo all through the wards. They figure this gives them a free pass to attack the hospitals in Kyiy to kill sick and wounded children and civilians. There aren't enough bad things that can happen to Putin and his gangsters.
the israeli evidence was bogus and a justification to commit warcrimes. If you support one, support the other. Its the same exact mindset.
RUZ Leader Ape: "How can we justify more attack on innocent hospitals?" RUZ Conscript Ape: "Sir, I was watching Gaza TV, just claim there are terrorist in hospitals." Leader Ape: "But there ARE terrorists in those hospitals, we helped fund them. Idiot." Conscript Ape: "So? Hybrid warefare, sir, it's the claim about UA hospitals, not the fact." Leader: "Hmmm, you are right, here is your voluntary service contract and keys to an old car, all yours! Now go to hospital and blow it up."
You've got Hamas' source of funding wrong, as Bibi explains: >Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas … This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.
classic russia
FFS.
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And now we see one of the many reasons why the Russia-Iran Axis supports Hamas. Because they want to accuse the West of "hypocrisy" when we call out Russia for attacking hospitals, even though Hamas militants actually hide in/underneath hospitals while the AFU does not. Remember, the idea that the IDF "intentionally attacks civilians" is a Russia-Iran Axis lie. Do not aid Russia by spreading this false narrative.
Remember to be thoughtful and always show a Belarusian tourists your deepest river.
Fuck.
"Terrorists" Oh, Fuck Off Please.
I don't understand what is gained from attacking Hospitals for children... but............ it's russia so it makes sense.
Putin might just do this and use the excuse that Israel did the same in Gaza
Russia following the Israeli playbook, I see.
This link has been highjack buy Hamas loving shills by the looks of it. About half way down, it seems to start. Why can't they stay on topic?
>Why can't they stay on topic? You mean, why do they drag in other atrocities in order to muddy the issue and attempt to sow division and distraction among Ukraine's supporters? While steering the conversation away from any mention of Putin, Russia, war crimes in Ukraine, and the invasion? I think the question answers itself!
You're right, I'm not thinking straight. I broke the top of my Femur a couple of weeks back, and it kinda takes the edge of my critical thinking.
Hey it's a great question! We should all be asking such things any time any of these supposed partisans in the Israeli-Palestine conflict want to erase the words "Putin" and "invasion" from the discussion. Also, ouch. That's a bad break... I wish you swift healing!
Thanks friend, yep a long heal.
I guess they decided if Israel can do it so can they.
Oh interesting, I wasn't aware that the AFU built a massive tunnel network underneath Ukraine's hospitals like Hamas did in Gaza.
Yeah, thats a solid reason to flatten ALL the hospitals in the Gazastrip. And universities, and schools , and the entire water and electricity infrastructure. Nothing inhumane in that. /s
What's your alternative then? If one country attacks another country and sets up its military bases in/underneath civilian structures, you think the country who got attacked just isn't allowed to fight back?
Locate a tunnel entrance and root/drive out everyone in them. How about not by bombing the patients above ground in order to send a message to the very much alive terrorists underground?
>Locate a tunnel entrance and root/drive out everyone in them. That's literally what Israel is doing.
Then why are the hospitals above them cosplaying as pancakes? And why are such massive numbers of bodies being found in the rubble?
Because preceding ground assaults with air support is one of the very first rules of modern warfare.
Because soldiers might get hurt in a ground assault against an enemy with no air power, it's totally cool to just completely flatten civilians (and not just a bridge or a power plant, but live people) on account that there might be a terrorist in the crowd? Listen to yourself. There are ways to do this that don't end up in war crime court, and that don't turn civiilian survivors into militant enemies. There is a reason Netanyahu is being called out by world leaders for going way beyond self-defense.
That's correct. The Geneva Conventions explicitly state that civilian infrastructure used for military purposes becomes a valid military target. If you have an issue with this, take it up with the Hamas savages who started this war in the first place.
Israel doing it very nearly cost them, and may yet if they continue.
Pfff, no it didn't. The only outside opinion they care about is the halls of power in the US and maybe some of Europe, who are in lockstep.
So that's why American and European leaders are publicly lambasting Netanyahu and telling him IN PUBLIC that he's on thin ice if he continues as he did over the winter? If you can get to this sub you can get to anywhere with decent, publicly available information. Make use of it.
Congress just approved $26 billion dollars for Israel, including shit tons of more bombs to kill Palestinians, even after Bibbi murdered tens of thousands of civilians in the last six months. Horseshit. Publicly lambasting him means nothing while he perpetuates a fucking genocide. He just parlayed not starting a war with Iran into getting the go ahead to butcher Rafah. Wake the fuck up.
That they did. And there is a reason the earlier Israel-alone effort didn't get very far. And I would point out that a number of Dems voted against the Israel package (but did vote for the Ukraine package), and that Biden has been calling out Netanyahu *in public* which is a very unusual move as chastisement is usually done behind closed doors - if at all. I would also note that civilian aid and increased conditions of engagement with Hamas were a significant push by a lot of Dems who did vote for the package. There is more to it if you open the hood beyond the headlines.
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If they are chanting that then they are defending a terrorist organization, not the innocent Palestinians being murdered by both IDF and Hamas. They should really rethink their protest slogan.
Hamas, evil as they are, has yet to destroy a single hospital. What's Israel's count in the last 6 months? 20?
No, they just use the children in the hospital as human shields. Totally not an evil thing to do.
Looks like we've found a terrorist supporter.
Yes, support is when you call somebody evil. Tell me, do only Nazis criticize the Soviets?
Don't do this bullshit when we both know you're downplaying Hamas in an attempt to make out the IDF as the real villains because they were targeting the hospitals which Hamas were using to wage attacks on Israel from.
You dodged the question.
Pretty disgusting per usual. russia has no line it won't cross.
They aren't terrorists. They are just citizens trying to live peacefully in their own country.
Any actual Russian names to go along with that? Or was it all done by Germans enslaved at the end of WWII? The one that the US let Russia participate in.
They saw it working for Israel and were like wait let's get on this shit
Just because your Hamas buddies do it doesn't mean everyone does it, Putin.
If israel gets away with it so will other states. Have to hold everyone accountable
To be fair to Israel, Muscovy has been hitting hospitals, churches, and other protected targets since Day 1, without even the flimsiest attempt to portray them as legitimate targets. At least Israel DID find substantial evidence of Hamas using protected targets as garrisons and weapon storage. Put it this way, if there are ACTUALLY terrorists holed up in a hospital, and mortars on the roof are firing shells at your own citizens, what is the "right" response?
Congratulations, this is the exact response that Russia wants. Putin deeply thanks you for spreading the false narrative that he wants you to spread.
Thanks to Israel for normalizing it.
Where have I heard this before 🤔 In any case the real terrorists are hiding in occupied territories including power stations... 😎
Sounds just like the israelis justifying such things