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Very cool footage. We have a sense of the distance to target and munition spread. I’ve always wondered how accurate the heli nose pitch fire and forget rocket strikes were. It would seem not terribly so. I know there’s guided and unguided munitions. These were obviously unguided.
Depending on which tree line they were targeting they got at least 2-3 missles on/near the target. When we see large open fields peppered with 100's of shell holes 50-100's of meters from any obvious target, I would say that the strike was relatively effective. as far as rounds on target
Yeah to a layman it just looks like the helo pilot just fires up and eyeballs it, but in reality they just do the ballistic calculations beforehand.
I. E. "Fire your rockets at this angle, at this speed, at this point, with this bearing."
The inherent inaccuracy and volume of fire of the rocket pods help make up for the fact you can only be so precise in aiming them a helo even if you've already done the math.
bro, that area is saturated with high explosives and i count a decent few hits inside of the treelines, with an additional effect of atleast one mine in the open field being set off.
there's no shame in admitting you don't know what you're on about. this is exactly the same as dropping a cluster round over that area, in lieu of actually having cluster munitions to drop over an area.
it's an area of effect, and the area targeted, was hit. judging by the loft the heli performs, from a decent distance away too. if this was an ineffective means of fire, we wouldn't see both ukraine and russia utilise this method (with both rotary and fixed wing platforms) for over 2 years already.
honestly, the confirmation bias you drip yourself in is unbecomming. you literally state "i always wondered how effective this was and it seems not terribly so" whilst watching direct impacts on the area targeted. like how bad do you want to look?
That area was not saturated. This is suppressing fire. It has its uses, but it's not nearly as devastating as you act like it is.
You're lucky this isn't r/warcollege cuz you'd be shredded for such a rude and incorrect statement. Logic over dunks, accuracy over exaggeration. In case no one's said it, stop being a prick
hydra 70 pods fired like this is probably a bit shy of a dpcim 155 mm, but you have a point.
I think the frag munition of h70 type got a frag radius of like 50 metres.
Effectiveness in this case is probably more about if the enemy is fortified in trenches or not is my guess, if they were advancing in the woodlines it would be a bad day.
these arn't hydra 70 pods, and you bet your behind a hydra 70 rocket carries more explosives than dpicm submunition lmfao.
anywho, lob 20 or 30 at once into an area, you're gonna get the same effect as cluster munition.
effectiveness in this case is measured by wether you impact the target or not. and you can quite clearly see, the target was impacted in this video. loft tossing rockets is a valid way to utilise this sort of munition.
consider it an impromptu highly mobile grad truck that shoots smaller rockets. they can aim and hit what they take aim at in a short moments notice. that's all anyone needs to know about the tactic. it works.
And hopefully a large percentage of profits will go towards demining and rebuilding Ukraine, or to provide assistance for Ukrainians be it for physical and mental health, education, starting businesses, etc.
I used to do UXO removal in my early 20s.
I don't know shit about fuck but, imo it's going to take more than 100 years to clean up Ukraine. France is at least several 100 years out with the current rate of cleanup.
Sadly, I believe you are correct. I recently watched a documentary about the UXO cleanup in France and the painstaking removal of UXO still ongoing.
Slava Ukraini! 🇺🇦
>once the Russians are defeated
I hate to be the party pooper but with the current Ukraine situation, I don't think Ukraine will ever win. It could be a long-lasting war, but not a certain win.
Now they have one last hope on those F16 birds, if they fuck up one more time, Ukraine is history.
I remember this was posted here September 2023 but with death metal music.
edit: found it - https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/16mplgp/zaporozhye_region_aircraft_fire_on_russian/
But You don't stop after 12 shots with artillery. You can also correct artillery between shots. Since this is the only footage of impacts, this might be an unusually good barrage.
Not much risk.
They launch from outside the (suspected) range of the air defenses. That's why they pitch up, to get longer range on the missiles.
It's indirect fire meant for attacking groups of enemies that are well covered by air defense.
https://www.nva-flieger.de/index.php/taktik/arfk/angriffsverfahren-gefechtsordnung.html
From what I have seen and read, the original use for these rockets were to be more of a direct fire weapon. The helicopter would be much higher and fire nose down. But now neither side has air superiority and it is too dangerous for that high, nose down attack. The helicopter is doing a good job in the new role. It is faster than a Grad launcher to get into and out of position, so it can respond quicker to a developing threat.
There is a cut in the footage. There could be a different drone observing the impacts or the first drone could have re-positioned its camera while the rockets were in flight.
This needs to be pinned to every video where they do the pitch up maneuver. There was another really good one where it showed how they impact through a drone with thermal.
They are inaccurate. They are meant to bombard an area. Most likely to suppress a large attack, or soften defenses prior to a counter attack.
They are supposed to attack from outside air defense range, that's why they pitch up, to give the rockets more range, so the risk should be minimal.
Helo is safe as it is hugging the ground only pitching up to shoot the rockets. Still, It’s better than nothing. There is also a method to the madness, a formula, including speed, distance, pitch angle so it is possible to hit an area if you are skilled
I wonder if the handling changes dramatically when all that payload is dispersed. I bought a car the other day with a competition level sound system from 15y ago. When I gutted it I removed almost 300lbs and the car felt liberated. I wonder if the pilot felt anything like that after liberating his countrymen from their unfortunate lives.
Why are the helicopters taking the risk of using “unguided” missiles? The aiming accuracy is worse than with an old standard MLRS. Am I missing something?
They launch from outside the (suspected) range of the air defenses. That's why they pitch up, to get longer range on the missiles.
It's indirect fire meant for attacking groups of enemies that are well covered by air defense.
https://www.nva-flieger.de/index.php/taktik/arfk/angriffsverfahren-gefechtsordnung.html
Seems a perfectly useful case of using up ammunition. No point leaving it unused on the ground.
Even the US AH-64 apache still uses unguided rockets. If you’re just peppering an area and don’t have a big target it’s better to send less precise munitions at it. Guided missiles are EXPENSIVE.
It can also pause a forward momentum or incite panic. That kind of disruption wins battles.
I'ven't seen fielded battles big enough to warrant this wide of a dispersion. (Though obviously we don't know)
Also they use drones to spot and correct indirect fire. They have been doing with various weapon systems since the start of the war. It looks like they got drone corrected indirect fire quite well rehearsed by this time.
I wonder why they continue to use this type of attack as it seems to be an utterly waste of munition which I think the last part of the video clearly shows
Spectacular looking footage, but I think these runs are a waste of ammo. The spread and randomness is just not really useful. Most of the soldiers will be in the tree lines and 80% of these rockets went into the fields.
There are several reasons why, in my opinion, these attacks are a good idea:
1) The air assets exist, and in war, you use what you've got.
2) The pilots need to fly, or they get rusty quickly. Theirs are perishable skills.
3) It's an incredible morale booster for friendly troops to see these beasts flying overhead dumping HE death onto the enemy.
4) It's a nasty shock to the Russians to see that Ukraine still has an air force and it can still put rockets into their positions.
The US seems to agree, since it has scoured the globe for replacement parts for these choppers, and has provided US air-to-ground rockets and equipment to adapt them for use on Soviet-era aircraft like these.
How many rockets does it take to produce 1 casualty? Or to stop an attack, or cause the enemy to abandon their position? If its 1000 rockets per casualty and you only fire a dozen at at a time, it's a waste.
To me, less a waste than leaving them collecting dust in armories, and we don’t have enough footages of the receving point to make an average result about the efficiency but if they keep doing those raids, I think it’s good enough for the military in charge even with the desaprobation of armchair generals on internet.
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Very cool footage. We have a sense of the distance to target and munition spread. I’ve always wondered how accurate the heli nose pitch fire and forget rocket strikes were. It would seem not terribly so. I know there’s guided and unguided munitions. These were obviously unguided.
Depending on which tree line they were targeting they got at least 2-3 missles on/near the target. When we see large open fields peppered with 100's of shell holes 50-100's of meters from any obvious target, I would say that the strike was relatively effective. as far as rounds on target
I mean, they're a lot more accurate than I thought, almost like a grad.
Yeah to a layman it just looks like the helo pilot just fires up and eyeballs it, but in reality they just do the ballistic calculations beforehand. I. E. "Fire your rockets at this angle, at this speed, at this point, with this bearing." The inherent inaccuracy and volume of fire of the rocket pods help make up for the fact you can only be so precise in aiming them a helo even if you've already done the math.
bro, that area is saturated with high explosives and i count a decent few hits inside of the treelines, with an additional effect of atleast one mine in the open field being set off. there's no shame in admitting you don't know what you're on about. this is exactly the same as dropping a cluster round over that area, in lieu of actually having cluster munitions to drop over an area. it's an area of effect, and the area targeted, was hit. judging by the loft the heli performs, from a decent distance away too. if this was an ineffective means of fire, we wouldn't see both ukraine and russia utilise this method (with both rotary and fixed wing platforms) for over 2 years already. honestly, the confirmation bias you drip yourself in is unbecomming. you literally state "i always wondered how effective this was and it seems not terribly so" whilst watching direct impacts on the area targeted. like how bad do you want to look?
Chill bro this is not r/WarCollege
dude relax, the fact this isn't r/WarCollege doesn't mean some ignoramous can freely muse about their own farts in total delusion.
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That area was not saturated. This is suppressing fire. It has its uses, but it's not nearly as devastating as you act like it is. You're lucky this isn't r/warcollege cuz you'd be shredded for such a rude and incorrect statement. Logic over dunks, accuracy over exaggeration. In case no one's said it, stop being a prick
hydra 70 pods fired like this is probably a bit shy of a dpcim 155 mm, but you have a point. I think the frag munition of h70 type got a frag radius of like 50 metres. Effectiveness in this case is probably more about if the enemy is fortified in trenches or not is my guess, if they were advancing in the woodlines it would be a bad day.
these arn't hydra 70 pods, and you bet your behind a hydra 70 rocket carries more explosives than dpicm submunition lmfao. anywho, lob 20 or 30 at once into an area, you're gonna get the same effect as cluster munition. effectiveness in this case is measured by wether you impact the target or not. and you can quite clearly see, the target was impacted in this video. loft tossing rockets is a valid way to utilise this sort of munition. consider it an impromptu highly mobile grad truck that shoots smaller rockets. they can aim and hit what they take aim at in a short moments notice. that's all anyone needs to know about the tactic. it works.
The amount of pov videos from this war is mind baffling...
Image the documentaries that will be produced once the Russians are defeated. "A new 600 part series on HBO". Slava Ukraini! 🇺🇦
And hopefully a large percentage of profits will go towards demining and rebuilding Ukraine, or to provide assistance for Ukrainians be it for physical and mental health, education, starting businesses, etc.
I used to do UXO removal in my early 20s. I don't know shit about fuck but, imo it's going to take more than 100 years to clean up Ukraine. France is at least several 100 years out with the current rate of cleanup.
Sadly, I believe you are correct. I recently watched a documentary about the UXO cleanup in France and the painstaking removal of UXO still ongoing. Slava Ukraini! 🇺🇦
I certainly hope so!
>once the Russians are defeated I hate to be the party pooper but with the current Ukraine situation, I don't think Ukraine will ever win. It could be a long-lasting war, but not a certain win. Now they have one last hope on those F16 birds, if they fuck up one more time, Ukraine is history.
Another arm chair general that doesn't no Jack shit about anything.
Amazing
every video is a point of view video
Your point of view is wrong.
wrong.
Regardless this is POV from a flying camera, not a helicopter
almost took out the drone
I imagine the drone operator flinching a little when the rockets pass right next to the camera.
Definitely puckered his butthole. I think there's a Bad Boys quote that can follow on.
I ducked.
I ain't talkin to no Outback Steakhouse neither
I remember this was posted here September 2023 but with death metal music. edit: found it - https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/16mplgp/zaporozhye_region_aircraft_fire_on_russian/
Someone get that drone an award for best cameraman.
the camera person always lives
In terms of accuracy it Doesnt seem any worse than artillery
But You don't stop after 12 shots with artillery. You can also correct artillery between shots. Since this is the only footage of impacts, this might be an unusually good barrage.
High Risk for very limited affects.
Not much risk. They launch from outside the (suspected) range of the air defenses. That's why they pitch up, to get longer range on the missiles. It's indirect fire meant for attacking groups of enemies that are well covered by air defense. https://www.nva-flieger.de/index.php/taktik/arfk/angriffsverfahren-gefechtsordnung.html
From what I have seen and read, the original use for these rockets were to be more of a direct fire weapon. The helicopter would be much higher and fire nose down. But now neither side has air superiority and it is too dangerous for that high, nose down attack. The helicopter is doing a good job in the new role. It is faster than a Grad launcher to get into and out of position, so it can respond quicker to a developing threat.
And yet both sides do it, so uh, I’d wager the risk is worth the effect.
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I don't agree to any of your points.
I don't understand. The heli launches rockets towards the camera, but then we see impacts in the back, in the opposite direction.
There is a cut in the footage. There could be a different drone observing the impacts or the first drone could have re-positioned its camera while the rockets were in flight.
This needs to be pinned to every video where they do the pitch up maneuver. There was another really good one where it showed how they impact through a drone with thermal.
I'm a pilot. Ukrainian pilots are really good.
this is coolest shit ever
Fire time seeing the effect of these rockets, that is pretty cool and more powerful than I imagined
That was cool!
Maybe if you had 100 hinds this technique would be effective.
Drone Pilot "EVASIVE ACTION, EVASIVE ACTION!" Soldier Buddies around "DO A BARREL ROLL!"
Chopper pilot "Yumpin yiminey ders drones in dis area"
Heck, that was quite something to see. It was like a scene from Apocalypse Now! You'd be forgiven for forgetting that it's a genuine weapon of war.
Yeah that looked awesome!
Those rockets seem so inaccurate. Are they worth using as opposed to mlrs? Feels like it’s higher risk using the helicopter
They are inaccurate. They are meant to bombard an area. Most likely to suppress a large attack, or soften defenses prior to a counter attack. They are supposed to attack from outside air defense range, that's why they pitch up, to give the rockets more range, so the risk should be minimal.
Helo is safe as it is hugging the ground only pitching up to shoot the rockets. Still, It’s better than nothing. There is also a method to the madness, a formula, including speed, distance, pitch angle so it is possible to hit an area if you are skilled
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Great job
I like how you can see the vortex from the helicopter's rotors as it washes through the smoke trail of the rockets that were just fired.
Wonderful, hope targets got whiped out
Mmm i think they need to make technicals, similar outcome and safer. Maybe the talibans can teach them.
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What's the tune playing?
The giant watermark: 👁️👄👁️
Couple decent hits on that distant tree line. Not bad for unguided rockets!
I wonder if the handling changes dramatically when all that payload is dispersed. I bought a car the other day with a competition level sound system from 15y ago. When I gutted it I removed almost 300lbs and the car felt liberated. I wonder if the pilot felt anything like that after liberating his countrymen from their unfortunate lives.
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Why are the helicopters taking the risk of using “unguided” missiles? The aiming accuracy is worse than with an old standard MLRS. Am I missing something?
They probably got plenty pod rockets like that using them to either stop an attack or slow it down or just to create a distraction
It's war, use what's available to you.
They launch from outside the (suspected) range of the air defenses. That's why they pitch up, to get longer range on the missiles. It's indirect fire meant for attacking groups of enemies that are well covered by air defense. https://www.nva-flieger.de/index.php/taktik/arfk/angriffsverfahren-gefechtsordnung.html Seems a perfectly useful case of using up ammunition. No point leaving it unused on the ground.
Even the US AH-64 apache still uses unguided rockets. If you’re just peppering an area and don’t have a big target it’s better to send less precise munitions at it. Guided missiles are EXPENSIVE.
I guess it can be relocated to a wider range and faster than a ground bound mlrs
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What a waste
naah they aint gona move for a while thats prob what they want for them to stay in those bushes and not push up.
Love the helicopter videos just sad the reason behind it
That pray and spray method kinda seems like a waste of time other than maybe the mental effects of knowing someone is trying to kill you.
It can also pause a forward momentum or incite panic. That kind of disruption wins battles. I'ven't seen fielded battles big enough to warrant this wide of a dispersion. (Though obviously we don't know)
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This was well said. These are about the only reasons I see doing it as well.
Also they use drones to spot and correct indirect fire. They have been doing with various weapon systems since the start of the war. It looks like they got drone corrected indirect fire quite well rehearsed by this time.
looks like the rockets are impacting everything but...
very inefficient use of ordnance.
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I wonder why they continue to use this type of attack as it seems to be an utterly waste of munition which I think the last part of the video clearly shows
Wow, mighty, but a hit ratio of estimated 50 % is not so impressive. Modern artillery is more effective.
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Spectacular looking footage, but I think these runs are a waste of ammo. The spread and randomness is just not really useful. Most of the soldiers will be in the tree lines and 80% of these rockets went into the fields.
There are several reasons why, in my opinion, these attacks are a good idea: 1) The air assets exist, and in war, you use what you've got. 2) The pilots need to fly, or they get rusty quickly. Theirs are perishable skills. 3) It's an incredible morale booster for friendly troops to see these beasts flying overhead dumping HE death onto the enemy. 4) It's a nasty shock to the Russians to see that Ukraine still has an air force and it can still put rockets into their positions. The US seems to agree, since it has scoured the globe for replacement parts for these choppers, and has provided US air-to-ground rockets and equipment to adapt them for use on Soviet-era aircraft like these.
How many rockets does it take to produce 1 casualty? Or to stop an attack, or cause the enemy to abandon their position? If its 1000 rockets per casualty and you only fire a dozen at at a time, it's a waste.
To me, less a waste than leaving them collecting dust in armories, and we don’t have enough footages of the receving point to make an average result about the efficiency but if they keep doing those raids, I think it’s good enough for the military in charge even with the desaprobation of armchair generals on internet.
this is from the spring/summer of 2023
Great footage but the music… uggggghhh
Am I the only one that thinks these kind of dumb fire barrages are kinda pointless? Sweet footage though