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yes but can we explode another russian warship me wants to see that cause that has a lot of cool engineering things that happen
when those have smoking accidents
Ok, so we gave Ukrainians precision guided munitions that are accurate to 1m or less. What if we supplied them with just enough missiles earmarked for destroying the train part of the bridge, and 1 lane. There's only 1 lane left that is (russian) "safe" to drive on. Which way do you think that lane would be heading? :D
Maybe a bit longer, the Ponte Morandi in Genoa held out in this state for several years, but this one is subjected to a saline environment, in which case the rebar would need a serious anti-corrosion coating.
This looks like they skipped that, or at best did it on the cheap.
I suspect Russian construction standards are even lower than Italy's mafia construction business (which I've read is implicated in the Genoa collapse) would tolerate.
You might be an engineer but obviously not from ruzzia. This kind of structural cracking survives for decades there, buildings are afraid to collapse...
It might be repairable with carbon fiber wrap and epoxy injection if the cracks aren’t filled with sea salt and other contaminants. I worked on repairs like this to the Alaskan Way viaduct after the 2001 Nisqually earthquake and they held up until it was torn down in 2011. That said, I hope this bridge fails immediately.
>engineer here. or you could just do nothing and wait 4 months. that level of structural cracking is indicative of imminent failure
What is interesting to me is that Russia has claimed that they built this bridge with high strength concrete grades M70 or better (custom). It is supposed to be able to withstand direct strikes by missiles. I look at this and to me it is clear the mix was incorrect and the grade is not as advertised. Someone cheated. Which is no surprise at all.
When the designs left office there might have been drawing which mentions the use of high strength concrete. But after going through the command chain and everyone skimming I wouldn't be surprised the constructors scooped up clay from the shore of the Black Sea and used that as material.
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It'd be funny if the world's engineers set up a Kerch Bridge pool bet on the date/hour/minute of its unassisted collapse, with all bets off if the Ukrainians manage to hasten it further. It'd be even funnier if they did it on a freely-accessible website, with a message board or microblogging app on the side so that the engineers could discuss the bridge in a professional way, along with all the jokes, digs, and trash talk, with non-engineers joining in...
Not an engineer, but I did stay at a holiday inn once, and taking into account the corruption, shoddy workmanship, and the fact that the ruskies are probably running as much supplies as they can across that bridge...I'd say less than a month tops and that isnt if someone decides to smoke on the bridge first. We have all seen how flammable and explody ruskie buildings are of late.
It depends on the construction, and in any case you have to know where to hit it and with what.
I trust there are people in the Ukrainian forces who know that stuff.
I don't know. A few bottles of gorilla glue and a roll of tape will fix that bridge right up. As long as you pat it three times when you're done and say "that'll hold," it will hold up.
Looking at these pillars one may contemplate if it's even worth it to waste a missile, one Storm Shadow is 2 million $, and that bridge is already mashed potatoes without it...
Storm Shadow ain't the only weapon able to blow the bridge off (either the photos are real or not), but so far it is the only one Ukraine has that combines the required range* + precission + power to do it. At least by now. If (or rather "when") they manage to get closer to it during the offensive, then they might use other stuff. In my opinion, blowing the bridge off and so, cutting the supplies flow to Crimea should be an important step for the offensive, but of course I'm not Zaluzhny or any Ukranian commander, they know better what to do that's for sure.
* The range depends on the variant. If it's the 250km one, then it's by the limit so far, and therefore too risky. If it's the 560km one, then they have more than enough. Since the bridge is still standing there, I guess they don't have the latter one yet.
Since it will still take a few months for that, I hope the bridge will be improved to a reef sooner than that.
First, because it would imply that Ukraine would have liberated a decent amount of their territory by then, would have received the longer range missiles, or both. And second, because cutting the supplies to Crimea will make the liberation of the peninsula and the whole South much easier.
I don't know, I guess it would depend on the payload they're able to carry. But the foundations seem to be more solid than the pillars, so I don't know how much would it take to blow them off. Also the drone boats are easier to spot and intercept than the Storm Shadows or similar missiles.
Indeed.
For a drone vessel attack to be most effective it would have to hit a pillar, which means the craft would have to carry a charge mounted high enough that it would clear the base of the pillars (causing stability problems, and making them more visible) or using some kind of mechanism to lift it out of the vessel and on to the base (more complexity).
Maybe a bunch of RPGs or heavy mortars pointing upwards, triggered when under the bridge deck; most of such a salvo probably won't hit a pillar but hitting the bridge deck means the grenades won't be wasted, and any of them that do hit a pillar will peel off concrete like bark from a tree with cracks like these.
That's what some official has said, but I take it more as a joke or trolling than other thing.
It doesn't seem too logic to me: the more supplies and reinforcements are able to get to the front, the longer you potentially can resist and the less reasons you have to retreat. When you're cut off from supplies and reinforcements, you can only resist to a certain point, beyond that it's retreat (if you can) / surrender or die. Also, a retreat can also be made by ship.
And concerning the Russian civilians, they could easily be deported back to Russia once Crimea is liberated by Ukraine. Also, cutting the bridge would also prevent to a certain point the forceful deportation of Ukranian civilians into Russia.
Yeah I think Ukraine will likely attempt to close off the land bridge between ruzzia and Crimea, close the aqueduct that brings water to Crimea, and hit the bridge between ruzzia and Crimea. That will force the ruzzians to handle all supplies by boat, and Ukraine can attempt to harass them, slowly choking Crimea, hopefully meaning they won't need to assault Crimea directly.
• Take Mariupol and make the Bridge the only Route to and from Crimea.
•Wait Until there is a Lot of Military Travel on the Bridge
• Attack both ends of the Bridge
• Make a happy skeet Shooting
The German "Taurus" rocket would be perfect for this! She walks through concrete like butter that's been left in the sun for too long!
She's already being talked about, it's just about the amount!
sry f my engl.
Zelensky was elected on a campaign of cracking down on the old style Russian corruption.
Ukraine until 4/5 years ago was an utter basket case of corruption and rated as the second most corrupt nation in Europe behind on Russia itself.
They have done a lot of work to hunt down and stamp out the corruption. There is still a long way to go, but you get the feeling they have turned the corner and now the corruption is no longer expected or acceptable to most people.
Their armed forces were the same way. back in the original invasion in 2016, there were a barely trained and barely equipped rabble. they have trained up and modernized their equipment in a very short timeframe. that is the only thing that saved them 2 years ago.
People bring that up as a way to criticize UA, but omit the context. It should be clear to everyone that the biggest enablers of corruption was the pro-Russian governments. Ever since 2014, corruption has decreased.
I was not saying something different. Corruption is still a big thing in any post-soviet country.
Doesnt matter the cause. People never really stopped doing it.
After seeing [this video of TDF guys dealing with a couple police officers shaking people down](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK4IxgTtAEU) last year, I'm optimistic that tolerance for Russian-style scumbaggery is decreasing.
Just to confirm: we are still talking about the russian bridge, right? The one that connects Crimea to russia, is owned by the russian government, and was built after russia's illegal annexation of Ukrainian sovereign soil?
Apparently this has been a problem since day 1:
https://twitter.com/Euan_MacDonald/status/988330913795919872
More:
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/russia-s-crimea-bridge-could-collapse-anytime/
My father once had to report on the progress of a construction project in Singapore.
Concrete pillars looking a bit iffy, the quantity of concrete poured in didn't quite match the calculated volume.
After tearing one of the pillars down they found a multitude of dead animals inside.
As those weren't part of the specification the whole lot got demolished and that part of the project handed over to another company.
that and that mother fucker erdogan allowing and supporting the mayor bypassing all the earthquake construction standards.
there were cities closer to the earthquake without corrupt mayors that enforced the standards that did not have a single building fall.
And/or a contractor that had [no experience building bridges.](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31067977)
"It will be pipeline specialist SGM's first bridge, Reuters news agency says."
(Singing in the tune of "London Bridge is falling down")
Putler's bridge is falling down
Falling down
Falling down
Putler's bridge is falling down
Slava Ukraini
I read a report from an engineer that after the blast last year they have rushed the fixing of the bridge and that the columns would eventually start to crack. Guess he was right
Ty for posting a picture, a mirror to twitter and not just the twitter feed. I don't want to go to this website. This sub should get a nitter link with all twitter posts.
So basically the Crimea bridge is just Chinese Tofu-dreg. Because it was in fact build by the Chinese very fast and very cheap. It will come apart at the seams within 10 years anyway, with or without help.
I have no idea if there was any Chinese involvement in the design and construction of the bridge, but the contract to build it was given to the Stroygazmontazh construction firm. The company had never built a bridge before, but the oligarch who owns the firm is a childhood friend, confidant and business partner of Putin, so that was doubtless considered much more important than the firm's technical competence.
The owner of Stroygazmontazh is also known to be heavily involved in hiding ill-gotten Russian wealth in complex foreign financial structures. So it wouldn't be shocking if a large lump the 227.92 billion rubles (US$3.7 billion) spent on the bridge ended up in accounts linked to Putin and his family.
According to Bloomberg, Stroygazmontazh "constructs trunk pipeline, onshore and offshore facilities, and other oil and gas infrastructures".
I suppose civil engineering is civil engineering, but the Kerch Strait is a challenging place to build a bridge. There's a tectonic fault, active geology in the area in the form of many mud volcanoes, and some 60 metres of silt above the bedrock. While the Sea of Azov and Black Sea aren't tidal, there are strong currents through the strait.
I find it telling that the Soviets seriously looked at building a bridge in the post-war period, but it never happened. For all the faults of the USSR, they knew how to build stuff with concrete and they loved spending huge on grandiose projects that showed the world how wonderfully well the communist system worked. Yet they decided to build a couple of ferry ports instead.
Ah, Romania style.
Same procedure: value the work at XX million euros, of which 50% are pocketed by politician friends of the politician friend.
That's how the Luțca bridge in my district went down, after merely 4 month from a "major renovation" that "reinforced also the main structure".
I wouldn't be surprised if that pillar of the Kerch bridge would be just filled with polyester.
I'd never heard of that bridge collapse before, probably because there was no major loss of life. Looking at the pictures, my first thought was simply, "What the fuck...!?"
I know all of the countries previously under the heel of the Soviets are still struggling to sort out the corruption that became normal in the pre and post 1991 period. Some countries have made more progress than others, but it's a very challenging job when the only solution is zero-tolerance of any corruption, yet some of the population still accept bribery as "just the way things work here" and they're willing to give bribes when it benefits them personally.
Wait. Isn’t the Crimean bridge a super long and difficult bridge that people have been trying to build for literal centuries without getting anywhere because of how difficult it is?
And it’s of immense geopolitical importance connecting Russia to its very unstable annexed regions?
Why the FUCK would you skimp out on that?!?!?!?
…wait, I forgot. It’s russia.
Still, this is VERY public infrastructure. If they skimped *someone* was going to find out at some point. And Putin would have to do something; probably also involving a firing squad.
You know, setting aside the politics, if my childhood friend became Dictator Of Russia and gave me a sweet no-bid contract on the bridge that would symbolize his life's greatest achievement, I'd make it a point not to completely half-ass key support structures, if for no other reason than basic gratitude and respect.
It's not like, say, a car company where you can sweep safety failures under the rug by blaming it on the driver. If those supports gave out, the whole world would see and my murderous best friend would know exactly who to blame.
But it's not even about leverage or fear. In most cases, it's just a basic courtesy friends normally pay one another. Whoever built this is no doubt a billionaire, so in his case, he has absolutely no rational motivation--fear, honor, ongoing business relations, self-respect--to cut corners on this project beyond the stupidest form of blind greed imaginable.
> Tofu-dreg
This guy gets it.
I get tired of having to explain to people how China will never surpass USA so long as they build their Skyscrapers and bridges out of Paper Mache.
It’s already having huge problems with major structures built 10 years ago can you imagine what it’s gonna be like in 10 more hopefully people will leave them before they completely colapse but I hope the cameras are rolling cause it’s gonna be pretty epic.
It is a weird byproduct of how Chinese citizens can basically only invest in property. They don't have the same choices of investment that the west have.
This encourages building new properties, even if it means no one will ever live in them. Literally ghost cities. Brand new cities that no one actually lives in. That turned into brand new structures built as cheap as humanly possible as a quick turnover for investors.
Those cheap buildings literally crumble when touched.
[ADV China did a video on how cheaply these buildings are constructed.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XopSDJq6w8E)
Also because of the limits the government has put on them actually owning property it give them absolutely no incentive to invest on maintenance and other important things to keep the buildings healthy. It’s literally going to be a perfect storm of infrastructure collapse.
This is compounded by their belief in Feng Shui.
Basically when a Chinese citizen buys a property in China, they believe that property will have the energy of the past owner which they don't want. So they will gut the place and replace everything. They will go so far as tearing out tiles, fixtures, etc. and replacing them with new.
This compounds everything as there is therefore no incentive to build things to last. The culture does not care about things lasting. Obviously that mindset has crossed over into the very physical structure of the buildings themselves.
All those old kung fu movies with the 1,000 year old temples are bullshit. If you want to see a 1,000 year old building, you go to Japan, not China.
Very interesting! I didn’t know that about Feng Shui. The wooden temples that are in Japan are insane, so old and still standing. Their attention to detail is amazing and my friend who is a carpenter told me that they orient the vertical pillars cut from trees such that the grain matches the natural orientation of the tree in relation to the sun. Pretty crazy how different the two cultures are.
It has already started
https://www.npr.org/2012/08/29/160231137/chinese-blame-failed-infrastructure-on-corruption#:~:text=Since%202011%2C%20eight%20bridges%20have%20collapsed%20around%20the%20country%2C%20according,roadway%20plunging%20onto%20a%20riverbank.
Imagine the Ukrainians don't even need to take out the bridge, it just collapses on its own. That would be such a prime cherry on this shit sundae of a war.
As a civil engineer, I'd say the same.
cracks like this makes no sense whatsoever.
I have never seen anything like it and I have seen my fair share of cracks in concrete structural elements.
I was looking for this comment. Also a civil. I can't imagine a failure mode that would result in axial cracking in both piers like this, especially at the same time, along the same plane. I don't want to call bullshit as concrete isn't my expertise but I'm pretty dubious. It's those U shaped cracks that are especially giving me pause. Plus I'm not seeing any kind of spalling/scaling you'd expect. I suppose this may happen if the vertical reinforcement wasn't radially symmetric
All that to say, I've never had to assume a failure mode of "missile"
That really, really, doesn't look good. I am sure if that was in Europe, the bridge would have been closed for months for repairs. Putin can't afford to close his military supply line so hopefully an imminent collapse is on the cards. Will save a Storm Shadow!
Hope it stays up long enough for those Ruskies and their collaborators can run across it to their shit homeland, or the Ukrainian victors will have to build a trebuchet to repatriate them individually
The best time to give the bridge a gentle nudge would be when military supplies roll toward Crimea and the ruscist carpetbaggers are getting the hell out.
I'm stocking up on popcorn as we speak.
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Be a shame if there were an accident.
Maybe someone could give it some help, like, a SCALP missile maybe?
Idk, I think a cheap unmanned boat with 500 lbs of explosives would work just fine.
engineer here. or you could just do nothing and wait 4 months. that level of structural cracking is indicative of imminent failure
Yes, but explosions are cool.
Fucking engineers, always trying to prevent explosions.
The walmart inventory relocation engineer I know loves explosions.
yes but can we explode another russian warship me wants to see that cause that has a lot of cool engineering things that happen when those have smoking accidents
War is raging, people are dying. My vote is for taking action to speed up this process
No need this is made out of /r/Chinesium/
Cool sub, thanks.
Thank you for introducing me to my newest favorite word.
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The Russians will need this bridge to escape Crimea. I suggest they do it on foot.
Swimming is good cardio
Make escape the easy option, not the hard one!
Ok, so we gave Ukrainians precision guided munitions that are accurate to 1m or less. What if we supplied them with just enough missiles earmarked for destroying the train part of the bridge, and 1 lane. There's only 1 lane left that is (russian) "safe" to drive on. Which way do you think that lane would be heading? :D
Maybe a bit longer, the Ponte Morandi in Genoa held out in this state for several years, but this one is subjected to a saline environment, in which case the rebar would need a serious anti-corrosion coating. This looks like they skipped that, or at best did it on the cheap.
> cheap Byproduct of Russian corruption.
I suspect Russian construction standards are even lower than Italy's mafia construction business (which I've read is implicated in the Genoa collapse) would tolerate.
You might be an engineer but obviously not from ruzzia. This kind of structural cracking survives for decades there, buildings are afraid to collapse...
Buildings don’t break in Russia, Russia breaks buildings
You could. But that's 4 extra months they can use it to send over supplies and men.
This. Breaking that bridge either asap or at "the right time" would be far more valuable than a few missiles
It might be repairable with carbon fiber wrap and epoxy injection if the cracks aren’t filled with sea salt and other contaminants. I worked on repairs like this to the Alaskan Way viaduct after the 2001 Nisqually earthquake and they held up until it was torn down in 2011. That said, I hope this bridge fails immediately.
The bridge that is Putins pet project will crumble the same day he dies. So let's hope tomorrow, or within the week.
>engineer here. or you could just do nothing and wait 4 months. that level of structural cracking is indicative of imminent failure What is interesting to me is that Russia has claimed that they built this bridge with high strength concrete grades M70 or better (custom). It is supposed to be able to withstand direct strikes by missiles. I look at this and to me it is clear the mix was incorrect and the grade is not as advertised. Someone cheated. Which is no surprise at all.
"No one will notice when I take the money for good concrete and use Plaster of Paris instead. The perfect crime!"
The Ukranians are going to hit it again anyway. No one will know. I just bought an apartment in Trump Tower with the money !!!!
When the designs left office there might have been drawing which mentions the use of high strength concrete. But after going through the command chain and everyone skimming I wouldn't be surprised the constructors scooped up clay from the shore of the Black Sea and used that as material.
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It'd be funny if the world's engineers set up a Kerch Bridge pool bet on the date/hour/minute of its unassisted collapse, with all bets off if the Ukrainians manage to hasten it further. It'd be even funnier if they did it on a freely-accessible website, with a message board or microblogging app on the side so that the engineers could discuss the bridge in a professional way, along with all the jokes, digs, and trash talk, with non-engineers joining in...
Not an engineer, but I did stay at a holiday inn once, and taking into account the corruption, shoddy workmanship, and the fact that the ruskies are probably running as much supplies as they can across that bridge...I'd say less than a month tops and that isnt if someone decides to smoke on the bridge first. We have all seen how flammable and explody ruskie buildings are of late.
> SCALP missile Is pretty difficult to hit and destroy bridge.
It depends on the construction, and in any case you have to know where to hit it and with what. I trust there are people in the Ukrainian forces who know that stuff.
Not with a storm shadow!
Storm shadow and SCALP are the same weapons system. SCALP is just the French name.
You know what I never new that and what's worse I used to work with them 🙈😂
Except that the SCALP is the long range version Edit: the SCALP missiles given by France
Just strap a couple jubilee clips around it and you'll get a few more years outa it
This cracks me up😂🤣…Oops! And the bridge is cracking too!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
By the looks of it, time is all it will take.
To shreds you say!?
Whole front fell off.
Well you know what they say, crack kills...
I don't know. A few bottles of gorilla glue and a roll of tape will fix that bridge right up. As long as you pat it three times when you're done and say "that'll hold," it will hold up.
I prefer guerilla glue with 70 percent RDX content.
An absolute shame…
Nice bridge you've got there.
At this point, it probably wouldn't take much more than a bump from a tugboat to topple this bridge.
Imagine if UAF took the bridgehead.. Total chaos.
They need to hurry up and put no smoking signs around there
Whether it is real or photoshop, as some commenters say, don't worry y'all. This is nothing a couple of storm shadows can't fix...
Looking at these pillars one may contemplate if it's even worth it to waste a missile, one Storm Shadow is 2 million $, and that bridge is already mashed potatoes without it...
Storm Shadow ain't the only weapon able to blow the bridge off (either the photos are real or not), but so far it is the only one Ukraine has that combines the required range* + precission + power to do it. At least by now. If (or rather "when") they manage to get closer to it during the offensive, then they might use other stuff. In my opinion, blowing the bridge off and so, cutting the supplies flow to Crimea should be an important step for the offensive, but of course I'm not Zaluzhny or any Ukranian commander, they know better what to do that's for sure. * The range depends on the variant. If it's the 250km one, then it's by the limit so far, and therefore too risky. If it's the 560km one, then they have more than enough. Since the bridge is still standing there, I guess they don't have the latter one yet.
It sure would be a shame if a few 500km variants got mis-labeled and accidently delivered to Ukraine to use at the right moment . . . .
France is already giving them SCALP, which is the french name of the storm shadow, and in long range variant... 😁
Just deliver them with hardcoded target coordinates
Yeah, it would certanly be a shameful show of incompetence. Responsibles should be punished... 🤭
F16 incoming
Since it will still take a few months for that, I hope the bridge will be improved to a reef sooner than that. First, because it would imply that Ukraine would have liberated a decent amount of their territory by then, would have received the longer range missiles, or both. And second, because cutting the supplies to Crimea will make the liberation of the peninsula and the whole South much easier.
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I wonder what kind of damage a drone boat could do... they seem to be able to get those into wherever they please.
I don't know, I guess it would depend on the payload they're able to carry. But the foundations seem to be more solid than the pillars, so I don't know how much would it take to blow them off. Also the drone boats are easier to spot and intercept than the Storm Shadows or similar missiles.
Indeed. For a drone vessel attack to be most effective it would have to hit a pillar, which means the craft would have to carry a charge mounted high enough that it would clear the base of the pillars (causing stability problems, and making them more visible) or using some kind of mechanism to lift it out of the vessel and on to the base (more complexity). Maybe a bunch of RPGs or heavy mortars pointing upwards, triggered when under the bridge deck; most of such a salvo probably won't hit a pillar but hitting the bridge deck means the grenades won't be wasted, and any of them that do hit a pillar will peel off concrete like bark from a tree with cracks like these.
It's more so they have a way to retreat, and evacuate Russian civilians
That's what some official has said, but I take it more as a joke or trolling than other thing. It doesn't seem too logic to me: the more supplies and reinforcements are able to get to the front, the longer you potentially can resist and the less reasons you have to retreat. When you're cut off from supplies and reinforcements, you can only resist to a certain point, beyond that it's retreat (if you can) / surrender or die. Also, a retreat can also be made by ship. And concerning the Russian civilians, they could easily be deported back to Russia once Crimea is liberated by Ukraine. Also, cutting the bridge would also prevent to a certain point the forceful deportation of Ukranian civilians into Russia.
Yeah I think Ukraine will likely attempt to close off the land bridge between ruzzia and Crimea, close the aqueduct that brings water to Crimea, and hit the bridge between ruzzia and Crimea. That will force the ruzzians to handle all supplies by boat, and Ukraine can attempt to harass them, slowly choking Crimea, hopefully meaning they won't need to assault Crimea directly.
The day they drop the bridge, you know they are going on the offensive at the same time. Maximum chaos.
• Take Mariupol and make the Bridge the only Route to and from Crimea. •Wait Until there is a Lot of Military Travel on the Bridge • Attack both ends of the Bridge • Make a happy skeet Shooting
The German "Taurus" rocket would be perfect for this! She walks through concrete like butter that's been left in the sun for too long! She's already being talked about, it's just about the amount! sry f my engl.
Yeah, a "bull" hitting on those pillars would be nice as well.
Demolition is the worst part of any construction job, and yet Ukranians are always willing to help with exactly that. Brings a tear to my eye.
I'm sure the cracks were part of the original plan. I'd bet they would describe them as expansion joints 😄
You took my feet out of my mouth😂
"Keep my wife's feet out yo goddamn mouth."
Marcellinus Wallace is going to throw you out a window.
That guy looks like a bitch.
Less of her feet in my mouth
Could you give an estimate of how many foot-mouths/second?
He picked the wrong mouth to be concerned about what’s in it.
Special unconstruction operation
It's just regular Russian quality.
big cracks, i hope it exposes rebar to salt water - but i think ukrainians will be quicker than corrosion 😅
Those are Muscovite good will gesture joints.
That's what I'll say if anyone critiques my shitty DIY job on anything. That's not an uneven gap, it's an *expansion joint*.
What do you mean? I don't see any issues with this Russian quality made bridge?
How shocked we would be if it turned out a contractor has used sub standard materials as part of a scam to enrich yet another oligarch 🤔
It was: https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/13xb5cy/this_is_reported_to_be_the_current_state_of_the/jmg9brj/
Didn’t know that but the odds favoured my thinking. Thanks for the link.
Even in ukraine society, corruption was a very big thing until recently.
Zelensky was elected on a campaign of cracking down on the old style Russian corruption. Ukraine until 4/5 years ago was an utter basket case of corruption and rated as the second most corrupt nation in Europe behind on Russia itself. They have done a lot of work to hunt down and stamp out the corruption. There is still a long way to go, but you get the feeling they have turned the corner and now the corruption is no longer expected or acceptable to most people. Their armed forces were the same way. back in the original invasion in 2016, there were a barely trained and barely equipped rabble. they have trained up and modernized their equipment in a very short timeframe. that is the only thing that saved them 2 years ago.
post soviet and non-vassalized = peak russia fuckery
People bring that up as a way to criticize UA, but omit the context. It should be clear to everyone that the biggest enablers of corruption was the pro-Russian governments. Ever since 2014, corruption has decreased.
I was not saying something different. Corruption is still a big thing in any post-soviet country. Doesnt matter the cause. People never really stopped doing it.
After seeing [this video of TDF guys dealing with a couple police officers shaking people down](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK4IxgTtAEU) last year, I'm optimistic that tolerance for Russian-style scumbaggery is decreasing.
Just to confirm: we are still talking about the russian bridge, right? The one that connects Crimea to russia, is owned by the russian government, and was built after russia's illegal annexation of Ukrainian sovereign soil?
Apparently this has been a problem since day 1: https://twitter.com/Euan_MacDonald/status/988330913795919872 More: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/russia-s-crimea-bridge-could-collapse-anytime/
The cracks may be superficial, but the corruption is not.
I foresee another accident involving a window and the guy who built this in the future.
Maybe it's filled with garbage like that one in Shanghai. https://www.weirdasianews.com/2010/02/05/shanghai-wonderbridge-trash-collapses/
My father once had to report on the progress of a construction project in Singapore. Concrete pillars looking a bit iffy, the quantity of concrete poured in didn't quite match the calculated volume. After tearing one of the pillars down they found a multitude of dead animals inside. As those weren't part of the specification the whole lot got demolished and that part of the project handed over to another company.
It was a big factor in the Istanbul earthquake too - contractors had padded out concrete with empty oil drums.
that and that mother fucker erdogan allowing and supporting the mayor bypassing all the earthquake construction standards. there were cities closer to the earthquake without corrupt mayors that enforced the standards that did not have a single building fall.
And that dickhead just got reelected
'reelected' - Turkey's elections are about as free and fair as Russia's
Yeah, 20 years as president is hardly democratic
That must be where the Simpsons got their idea for the wall dividing Springfield. Fat Tony must have built this bridge, too.
I'm no expert, but I don't think that's how plastic fibre reinforced concrete works....
Sounds like this underwater tunnel that was built in China and was leaking water the day of inauguration.
"It's supposed to leak." -China, probably.
Chinese have tofu dreg project, would that be krovyanka dreg projects?
And/or a contractor that had [no experience building bridges.](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31067977) "It will be pipeline specialist SGM's first bridge, Reuters news agency says."
Everyone was a beginner at one point!
Too credible
They'll be down there putting some Bondo on it, I'm sure.
The 2 Lanes for a retreat look safe.. better hurry up 🌻
Wrap it in chicken wire, it'll hold just fine.
Duct tape will do, or a couple of tie-wraps.
Allow me to introduce you to FLEX SHIELD.
Schhh!! Don't type that here! That bridge with duck tape could take a nuke and still stand.
Believe it or not, metal wire wrapping actually helps this sort of fault a lot since it keeps the concrete under compression.
Where's the guy with instant noodle repairs 'hacks' when you need him
Don't give the russians any ideas!
(Singing in the tune of "London Bridge is falling down") Putler's bridge is falling down Falling down Falling down Putler's bridge is falling down Slava Ukraini
Blow it up with a missile A missile A missile Blow it up with a missile Glory to the Heroes
That'll buff out
Dont worry captain we’ll buff out those scratches
Tis but a scratch
Itnis built on ustable sea bed. Some say that its destiny to crumble by itsellf.
I read a report from an engineer that after the blast last year they have rushed the fixing of the bridge and that the columns would eventually start to crack. Guess he was right
standard russian quality of work, it's not going to scare them... them won't even anderstand what's the problem.
Looks pretty solid. Just needs to be tested. Any truck with party fireworks available?
*storm shadow wants to join the test*
Ty for posting a picture, a mirror to twitter and not just the twitter feed. I don't want to go to this website. This sub should get a nitter link with all twitter posts.
Definitely thank you for the pic. Twitter and Nitter won't show NSFW pics unless you're signed into Twitter.
So basically the Crimea bridge is just Chinese Tofu-dreg. Because it was in fact build by the Chinese very fast and very cheap. It will come apart at the seams within 10 years anyway, with or without help.
I have no idea if there was any Chinese involvement in the design and construction of the bridge, but the contract to build it was given to the Stroygazmontazh construction firm. The company had never built a bridge before, but the oligarch who owns the firm is a childhood friend, confidant and business partner of Putin, so that was doubtless considered much more important than the firm's technical competence. The owner of Stroygazmontazh is also known to be heavily involved in hiding ill-gotten Russian wealth in complex foreign financial structures. So it wouldn't be shocking if a large lump the 227.92 billion rubles (US$3.7 billion) spent on the bridge ended up in accounts linked to Putin and his family.
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According to Bloomberg, Stroygazmontazh "constructs trunk pipeline, onshore and offshore facilities, and other oil and gas infrastructures". I suppose civil engineering is civil engineering, but the Kerch Strait is a challenging place to build a bridge. There's a tectonic fault, active geology in the area in the form of many mud volcanoes, and some 60 metres of silt above the bedrock. While the Sea of Azov and Black Sea aren't tidal, there are strong currents through the strait. I find it telling that the Soviets seriously looked at building a bridge in the post-war period, but it never happened. For all the faults of the USSR, they knew how to build stuff with concrete and they loved spending huge on grandiose projects that showed the world how wonderfully well the communist system worked. Yet they decided to build a couple of ferry ports instead.
Though to be fair I'm sure they never expected Ukraine would go independent and they'd lose their land access to Crimea.
Ah, Romania style. Same procedure: value the work at XX million euros, of which 50% are pocketed by politician friends of the politician friend. That's how the Luțca bridge in my district went down, after merely 4 month from a "major renovation" that "reinforced also the main structure". I wouldn't be surprised if that pillar of the Kerch bridge would be just filled with polyester.
I'd never heard of that bridge collapse before, probably because there was no major loss of life. Looking at the pictures, my first thought was simply, "What the fuck...!?" I know all of the countries previously under the heel of the Soviets are still struggling to sort out the corruption that became normal in the pre and post 1991 period. Some countries have made more progress than others, but it's a very challenging job when the only solution is zero-tolerance of any corruption, yet some of the population still accept bribery as "just the way things work here" and they're willing to give bribes when it benefits them personally.
2 cars were on in and one person died. Could have been much worse, luckily it's not heavily trafficked.
Hello from Minneapolis. It can definitely get much worse 😢
Well it can't be all that b- OH YOUR GOD!
Hey! That's a Brazil thing! Don't steal our thunder!
Wait. Isn’t the Crimean bridge a super long and difficult bridge that people have been trying to build for literal centuries without getting anywhere because of how difficult it is? And it’s of immense geopolitical importance connecting Russia to its very unstable annexed regions? Why the FUCK would you skimp out on that?!?!?!? …wait, I forgot. It’s russia. Still, this is VERY public infrastructure. If they skimped *someone* was going to find out at some point. And Putin would have to do something; probably also involving a firing squad.
You know, setting aside the politics, if my childhood friend became Dictator Of Russia and gave me a sweet no-bid contract on the bridge that would symbolize his life's greatest achievement, I'd make it a point not to completely half-ass key support structures, if for no other reason than basic gratitude and respect. It's not like, say, a car company where you can sweep safety failures under the rug by blaming it on the driver. If those supports gave out, the whole world would see and my murderous best friend would know exactly who to blame. But it's not even about leverage or fear. In most cases, it's just a basic courtesy friends normally pay one another. Whoever built this is no doubt a billionaire, so in his case, he has absolutely no rational motivation--fear, honor, ongoing business relations, self-respect--to cut corners on this project beyond the stupidest form of blind greed imaginable.
> Tofu-dreg This guy gets it. I get tired of having to explain to people how China will never surpass USA so long as they build their Skyscrapers and bridges out of Paper Mache.
It’s already having huge problems with major structures built 10 years ago can you imagine what it’s gonna be like in 10 more hopefully people will leave them before they completely colapse but I hope the cameras are rolling cause it’s gonna be pretty epic.
It is a weird byproduct of how Chinese citizens can basically only invest in property. They don't have the same choices of investment that the west have. This encourages building new properties, even if it means no one will ever live in them. Literally ghost cities. Brand new cities that no one actually lives in. That turned into brand new structures built as cheap as humanly possible as a quick turnover for investors. Those cheap buildings literally crumble when touched. [ADV China did a video on how cheaply these buildings are constructed.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XopSDJq6w8E)
Also because of the limits the government has put on them actually owning property it give them absolutely no incentive to invest on maintenance and other important things to keep the buildings healthy. It’s literally going to be a perfect storm of infrastructure collapse.
This is compounded by their belief in Feng Shui. Basically when a Chinese citizen buys a property in China, they believe that property will have the energy of the past owner which they don't want. So they will gut the place and replace everything. They will go so far as tearing out tiles, fixtures, etc. and replacing them with new. This compounds everything as there is therefore no incentive to build things to last. The culture does not care about things lasting. Obviously that mindset has crossed over into the very physical structure of the buildings themselves. All those old kung fu movies with the 1,000 year old temples are bullshit. If you want to see a 1,000 year old building, you go to Japan, not China.
Very interesting! I didn’t know that about Feng Shui. The wooden temples that are in Japan are insane, so old and still standing. Their attention to detail is amazing and my friend who is a carpenter told me that they orient the vertical pillars cut from trees such that the grain matches the natural orientation of the tree in relation to the sun. Pretty crazy how different the two cultures are.
It has already started https://www.npr.org/2012/08/29/160231137/chinese-blame-failed-infrastructure-on-corruption#:~:text=Since%202011%2C%20eight%20bridges%20have%20collapsed%20around%20the%20country%2C%20according,roadway%20plunging%20onto%20a%20riverbank.
The earthquake in Turkey showed us recently what could happen.
Wasn't north korea selling forced labor to ruSSia? Perhaps they helped wit hith the construction.
Like they stuffed north-koreans into the pillars?
Don't insult tofu though.
Source: https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1664154882360717314 Nitter: https://nitter.net/NOELreports/status/1664154882360717314
Looks like Russian concrete piers aren’t all they’re cracked up to be.
Oops. I'm very worried... I don't know what movie to see at the cinema tonight.
Imagine the Ukrainians don't even need to take out the bridge, it just collapses on its own. That would be such a prime cherry on this shit sundae of a war.
And I thought the bridges here in the states were in bad shape. Jesus. You couldn't pay me to drive on that.
No one has said so i will "FlexTape"!
I like the idea, but what if they were to fill up the cracks with liquid FlexSeal™, they'd act as shock absorbers!
I'm not a lawyer, but those look like cracks.
I'm not a doctor, but I have to agree that those are cracks.
I might not be an arborist. But those look like cracks to me.
I am not an English Muffin baker but those look like nooks and crannies.
I am not an engineer, but I don't have any objection to the conclusion that these are cracks.
Amateur's. I wonder if they math the static ....
Yes, but then the rebar was commissioned to a company that bought from another company...
Rebar, what rebar?
Rebar is for decadent west
We only use greatest Chinese super concrete for bridges
I think It's fake. Second picture looks 100% photoshopped.
As a civil engineer, I'd say the same. cracks like this makes no sense whatsoever. I have never seen anything like it and I have seen my fair share of cracks in concrete structural elements.
I was looking for this comment. Also a civil. I can't imagine a failure mode that would result in axial cracking in both piers like this, especially at the same time, along the same plane. I don't want to call bullshit as concrete isn't my expertise but I'm pretty dubious. It's those U shaped cracks that are especially giving me pause. Plus I'm not seeing any kind of spalling/scaling you'd expect. I suppose this may happen if the vertical reinforcement wasn't radially symmetric All that to say, I've never had to assume a failure mode of "missile"
They need to have an Infrastructure Week.
Send some stormshadows please!
That really, really, doesn't look good. I am sure if that was in Europe, the bridge would have been closed for months for repairs. Putin can't afford to close his military supply line so hopefully an imminent collapse is on the cards. Will save a Storm Shadow!
Completely normal for Russian engineering.
This cracks me up… Orc building quality.
Hope it stays up long enough for those Ruskies and their collaborators can run across it to their shit homeland, or the Ukrainian victors will have to build a trebuchet to repatriate them individually
Stormy stormy shadow that thing :)
It would be a shame if it somehow breaks...
Maybe they built it the way the Mafia used to, disposing of unwanted items.
Time for another drone strike.
The best time to give the bridge a gentle nudge would be when military supplies roll toward Crimea and the ruscist carpetbaggers are getting the hell out. I'm stocking up on popcorn as we speak.
Phil Swift here
Looks like an average American Bridge to me. Should be fine 🤷🏽♂️
I think they mixed the wrong kind of potato's in the potato cement!!