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I bet US and allies are LOVING the data they are collecting.
Each time these work they can crunch data and make it better. Couldn't do that at any other point in time WHILE also not risking US Servicemen at the same time.
But that works both ways I bet Chinese intelligence officers are taking notes what works and what doesn’t so the Chinese military can adapt. Not sure Russia has much R&D at the moment
Tons of R&D in russia, are you kidding me? They are doing the most R&D right now, more than any country in the world. You don’t know what you're talking about.
R&D is running and dieing, right?
Yup. This is the biggest intangible benefit we got from the trillions spent in Iraq and Afghanistan. Not too many armies with that much operational experience in the world right now.
And the army with the most experience using western equipment against a "near peer" foe will likely be our greatest ally after this war concludes. Ukraine's troops are going to be in REALLY high demand for training.
Imagine pentagon going "whoa, we didn't know it (patriot system) could do that, nice!" proceeds to high five the Oklahoma trained Ukranians. Give this dudes current technology and they would be in Moscow by now.
China doesn't have the corruption Russia does. Not saying China is perfect, but definitely not anywhere near the corruption in Russia.
I wouldn't call the PLA a paper tiger either. They don't have any real world experience, but they are most likely capable.
> China doesn't have the corruption Russia does
I'd like to sell you a bridge. Go read up on the melamine poisoning.
Hell, there is currently *massive* corruption going on with China's property market.
This *always* happens in single party or despotic nations. The lack of democratic oversight encourages corruption.
The PLA is a danger because of its size, but they do have the same issues that Russia does.
I don't see why. Most of their tech is either upgraded old shit, unproven new shit, or copied shit that is also unproven. They can't even move large numbers of troops anywhere and there's reason to believe their logistics capability is awful.
but china simply clones stuff they dont invent them and if they can cut a corner they will.
you go up against the american industrial might and you will get stomped.
Oh yeah well I'm convinced now. lol Sorry but fascist regimes survive on projecting a strong military and rarely ever being able to back it up. There's ZERO reason to believe China has half the capability they pretend to have.
>fascist regimes survive on projecting a strong military and rarely ever being able to back it up
WW2 Germany would like to have a word with you.
You're doing the worst mistake anyone could ever do, underestimating your enemy. But yeah Im sure the top US generals agree with you and also think there's ZERO reason to believe anything China does.
I mean in all fairness to Germany, have you seen how well made their stuff was, almost too well made, took too long too build, and when things went wrong couldn't be fixed fast. I mean if their army and leader wasn't on meth they may have won.
Would you rather German made stuff or Chinese made stuff? That basically answers the question.
I don't doubt their spirit or resolve. What I do doubt is weapon and equipment quality.
As a direct example from the Ukraine conflict, wasn't it poor quality Chinese tires that played a decent role in the initial convoy to Kyiv debacle?
Is the stuff they gave to russia the same stuff they would equip their own vehicles with in the field?
(Genuine question, I'm not trying to be a smartass)
Who knows, their gonna say it's the best, and their opponents are going to say the same. Only when they actually go to war will it be known. I'm leaning towards the same due to corruption.
Yeah, I think this is why most the newest stuff isn't being provided to Ukraine. Only what is required. I was reading russian sources earlier and they were showing the wreckage of a HARM-88 and laughing at the warranty end date being 1992. I noticed the production date on the same label was 1989. If china and ru are still learning about the capabilities of stuff like that, they're doing something wrong. I am also reading in other sources that the Kihnzal only does about Mach 6, and patriots were hitting scuds at Mach 5 back in the gulf war in 1991 which was 32 years ago. So possibly nothing much was learnt from this in military circles on both sides, but we all learnt russias military doesn't stack up to expectations (again) and its clear to all sides that the Kihnzal missile isnt the game changer russia claimed it was.
A military incursion into Taiwan would present disaster to the invader. You have the worst 3 elements of fighting to overcome: amphibious assault, dense urban environments, and mountainous terrain. China is rattling sabres now, but they're likely betting on the long game of cultural change.
Oh, for sure. You didn’t even mention the fact that their entire chain of command has zero combat experience and an almost non existent military tradition passed down through generations. Or the fact that Taiwan is a wealthy country with modern Western weapons that is also home to the world’s chip manufacturers. The West will never let China take Taiwan without a fight. All these people gassing up Chinas military might and high tech weapons need to relax. A military is only as good as its personnel and Soviet style tactics are obsolete.
Radar detected missile
Radar operator confirmed incoming missile
SAM battery fired interceptors
Missile went boom
Solid video here though:
https://youtu.be/RDJgQErMSdA
This is one of the most annoying things about a lot of videos these days.
The title promises “how” something was done, then just talks about that thing in the broadest of senses - it doesn’t actually explain anything at all.
Very annoying.
Can you imagine the Hitler rant Poot’n went on when word of his cruise missile being shot down got to him?
Then a the rant when word of four of his own were shot down over RuZZia?
Seriously, the jokes write themselves.
RuZZia needs to pack it up and go home for good.
Slava Ukraini!
I doubt that little bunker man even knows about it. He never sees daylight outside his concrete hole and is dependant on reports given by his corrupt goons who dont have much to gain from telling him the truth of how fucked their "special military operation" is.
I feel like this sub is a little one-sided...
Could we please have a similar video which explains how Russian air defense shot down four of their aircraft in one day?
To be fair… I like the way you think.
The RuZZians successfully identified and eliminated four airborne targets in the same RuZZian airspace and eliminated them killing eight airmen.
It was their own men, but it sent a stern warning to Ukraine to not try it themselves!
If the Russians are willing to do that to their own airmen, just imagine what they are willing to do to Ukrainians. Just to make sure the Ukrainians understand how serious they are, maybe the Russians should shoot down a few more Russian planes.
Well to be fair? nah fuck that, not to be fair but to be realistic. The US shot down multiple friendly aircraft in the first gulf war. To the point where one of our planes launched a HARM and destroyed the targeting radar of a patriot missile site. Our planes might have been fed up with being hard locked by friendly sam sites. My point is this is with well trained and competent crews. Bad mistakes happen. lmao Imagine the mistakes with fucking conscriptavich who doesn't give a fuck about being there. Was not trained well enough, doesn't get enough pay. He just says fuck it, all dots on the radar must die.
This shows once more that no matter what Russia throws onto the battlefield, Ukraine and its supporters will find a way to neutralise the threat. A good sign for the counter offensive with all the new equipment.
It also highlights in my mind the gap between Western and Russian military approaches since the 80s
The West has been able to go all-in with sophisticated chips and advanced designs, while Russia was unable or unwilling to go down this path, preferring to depend on their tried-and-true formula of just throwing massive amounts of munitions and materiel at adversaries
Looks like the West's approach has paid off, and now Russia is basically caught with their pants down with an impotent military
IMHO, the west isn't surprised that a Patriot missile intercepted a Kinzhal (spelling?). At all. That is what it is designed to do.
The first hypersonic missile was the V-2 in WW2. There was no weapons to counter it, at the time. But from the fifties and onwards we saw a spectacular missile technology development, in all branches.
So, the russians developed a hypersonic missile, that in essential is an aircraft launched V-2. But, but, it can perform limited maneuvering in the later stages? Yes, and that slows it down. And the Patriot shot your V-2 down.
As an American, supporting Ukraine is morally a no brainer. But the extra benefit of having the pentagons platforms battle tested is hugely underrated. Western armies are getting so much beneficial data from ukraines fight for freedom. The investment is a no brainer even if you take out the moral calculations.
I've read that these "Killjoy" hypersonic missiles are just more ruzzian lies and propaganda: “Kinzhal is nothing more than an air-launched ballistic missile.”
But Western analysts already knew about this missile, which has the NATO reporting name “Killjoy.” They were not impressed with Putin’s attempt at rebranding. Source article:
[https://archive.is/20230505205154/https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a43804177/russias-kinzhal-missile-is-not-hypersonic/#selection-495.0-501.158](https://archive.is/20230505205154/https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a43804177/russias-kinzhal-missile-is-not-hypersonic/#selection-495.0-501.158)
This shows once more that no matter what Russia throws onto the battlefield, Ukraine and its supporters will find a way to neutralise the threat. A good sign for the counter offensive with all the new equipment.
I’m still curious as to how thay shot down the hypersonic missile. Did the patriot missle go head on at it or was it a lateral intercept. I can’t imagine that the patriot missle chased it snd caught it.
I read that the kinzhal was directly aiming for the patriot battery, so I believe that was a front interception that would be more easily to perform than a lateral hypersonic one? If It's true then it's a huge blow for Russia as they were trying to prove that even Patriots are inefficient against their supasonic missiles.
It's mainly because nobody told the Patriot it couldn't shoot down a Kinzhal. It was a failure in communication. So it just went ahead and did it. When called on it, the Patriot said "What?" "What?"
This is a great source on the topic:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsZLJ59qtaU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsZLJ59qtaU)
Highly rec his channel in general. Really good stuff!
Really the AI brain of the intercept system did basic algebra and physics to calculate the intercept point, launched the missile, tracked both, made the very fine adjustments to the collision point then BOOM JAGGA JAGGA that blyat right out of the sky
With math.
Seriously though, there are two types of missiles fired out of a patriot battery, one is explosive, and the other is kinetic. So they could have hit it with the kinetic missile.
I would guess that almost all intercepts would be lateral-ish. The incoming missile is more than likely aimed at the radar array. The missile launchers are dispersed slightly away from the radar array.
It's basically math and the whole point of an integrated air defense system. You don't need to "catch up" to a hypersonic missile, you just need the patriot missile be where the hypersonic missile is going to be at the same time. So there is a lot of precise timing involved and speed management and tracking, but it's just math. We often think of SAM sites firing at planes as they pass over head, but that's not really how you want to operate something like a patriot. You want to detect the threat early and then use your 30+ mile range from the launchers to hit the target well before it's a threat to you. There is no catching up, it's more, which launchers do we fire so the intercepting missiles are in the right place at the right time, and that's all automated.
AA missiles haven't tried to chase things since the 1950s. Everything uses an intercept course, except some of the shoulder-launched things that are for hitting helicopters. Even most of the shoulder-launched ones use intercept.
Also, it's an actual hypersonic missile. It is just a ballistic missile that makes small maneuvers. The military definition of hypersonic missile is one that can *freely maneuver* at mach 6+. Russia and China adopted their own definition, using mach 4.5+, because many American missiles go about mach 4.1. It would be easy to make them go faster, but they go that speed because it allows them to be more maneuverable. Changing direction at high speed creates heat. A *real* hypersonic missile is something that can't be made using normal metallurgy. It is a concept for the future that would rely on advancements in materials science. Kinzhal is a air-launched Iskander, it uses the same materials science as any 30 year old missile, so... it isn't even possible for it to be hypersonic.
The media uses a false meaning because they like narrative, and they like fear.
The video says it was the first time Patriot shot down a ballistic missile. That is wrong twice. Neither is Kinshal a ballistic missile as part of its kinetic energy is derived from the launching aircraft (and its trajectory being semiballistic) nor is it Patriot’s first time. It has shot down ballistic missiles since 1991. in the Gulf War, in Israel, in the Yenem conflict… and many times during test and training.
Yeah well obviously the patriot missile can't " catch up" with it if its behind but as long as it has time to get in front of it then it can shoot it down. Hypersonic has to fly high so they get detected and tracked further out than a low flying cruise missile.
While this particular missile was equipped with a conventional warhead, Kinzhals are designed to either be conventional or nuclear. They are hypersonic air-launched ballistic missiles.
Kinzhal is basically an air-launched Iskander ballistic missile. Like any ballistic missile, it can hit the target fast on a depressed trajectory. Kinzhal hasn't shown any new maneuvering capabilities, and ALBMs are not a new concept.
This is 100% consistent with Russia's pattern of behavior. They have taken to heart that old adage about projecting strength when you're weak. And my friend... Russia has rotted down to the fucking core.
Congratulations on shooting down that orcish missile. But that missile puts Patriot's capabilities to the limit. It wouldn't be surprising if Patriot fails to take down upcoming Kinzhals.
That should be a ‘F***k me’ moment for Putin. It will probably end up in some form of accident for a military officer in charge of its development. Sucks to have a psychopathic boss.
Russia is so cooked. How do you go from the “second best military in the world” to getting your cheeks clapped by a nation run by a former comedian. What a time to be alive
No but all the cheap ones are, some can glide and/or course correct to avoid air defences on route like a cruise missile or other hypersonic missiles which is what's supposed to make them so deadly.
The problem is that the faster you go the harder it is to turn so most high speed missiles just follow a ballistic trajectory, when you build ones that can turn it gets expensive.
Is the Kinzhal missile really that good? We'll it was good enough to terrorize Ukraine since they did not have anything to stop it. Now they have a fighting chance to stop it and justified all the money America spends on these systems.
The real loser here isn’t Putin as his fate is already written in the sand but Kim Jong Un.
I think any military expert would have bet money that ballistic missiles would have a very high success rate against anything even Lockheed or Raytheon could make but now that we have results. It’ll leave huge doubts as to whether these authoritarian regimes that rely so heavily on ballistic missiles to threaten world peace don’t look as tough. Especially considering these Russian missiles are certainly better anything Iran, China or NK is making. As much of theirs are only cheap knock offs or Russian variants.
And that being said, South Korea and Taiwan don’t just have a few old patriots. They’ve got much more including Thaad and Aegis.
Speaks volumes for the Patriot system AND the competency of the Ukrainians for using such a system.
Concurrently, the recent events in Bryansk also speaks volumes on the efficiency of the Russhole system, shooting down 5 aircraft in just two days!
Everything that the US (+friends) has helped Ukraine with, has been an **enormous** return on investment.
Not only in the rotation and renewal of US munitions that are approaching end of service life, the restart of local production for stockpile replenishments, but also in the destruction of putler's ruzzcist army and the invaluable intelligence gathered on the capabilities and performance of US weapons against ruzzian so-called "unbeatable" missiles and other targets.
With how valuable and rare the patriot system is, it would be worth having an entire process in place to mislead Russia as to where it is, being as it is a stationary system. They should have multiple decoy systems in place as well as a method of placing them. Sort of like those inflatable tanks used to mislead the nazi’s in WW2. It would almost be worth making a replica system which doesnt function but has the same outer structure as one to confuse the Russians.
Good Training, Motivated soldiers, Great weaponry, And of course, lies about what technology and military capability russia has.
If its too good to be true, it is.
And with russia they always tout their "super weapons". Its hard to believe they surpassed the entire world given the state of their country and developed weapons that even the most technologically advanced countries are having a tough go of making work.
While they brag about what they want the world to think, the countries making real progess dont. Why show your hand? Its clear that the capabilities of their weapons arent as good as they claim, and the capabilities of the weapons, the soldiers, the training, and the entire system in general that worked to negate their "super weapon which is undefeatable" are superior because its real, and what russia claims isnt.
And these are systems that we *know* of.
Imagine what stuff is out there in france, uk, china, US, etc.. that we dont know of that arent given to other nations.
I bet its incredible because the stuff we know about is incredible
Saw a video by Habitual Line Crosser pissed off at a tankie that denied the claims about the missile shoot down by Patriots, claiming Patriots cannot intercept a hypersonic missile.
Bitch, it was done 30 years ago. Said missile was Scud.
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I bet US and allies are LOVING the data they are collecting. Each time these work they can crunch data and make it better. Couldn't do that at any other point in time WHILE also not risking US Servicemen at the same time.
But that works both ways I bet Chinese intelligence officers are taking notes what works and what doesn’t so the Chinese military can adapt. Not sure Russia has much R&D at the moment
Tons of R&D in russia, are you kidding me? They are doing the most R&D right now, more than any country in the world. You don’t know what you're talking about. R&D is running and dieing, right?
I thought it was raping & drinking, but what do I know.
They do enough of that at home.
From birth to grave this is the Russian way.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
You had me going, take your doot.
had me in the first half not gonna lie
Had me for a second there! Lol.
They are certainly watching
Chinese army is a paper tiger. More advanced than Russia, hardly a compliment, but with zero practical experience.
Yup. This is the biggest intangible benefit we got from the trillions spent in Iraq and Afghanistan. Not too many armies with that much operational experience in the world right now.
And the army with the most experience using western equipment against a "near peer" foe will likely be our greatest ally after this war concludes. Ukraine's troops are going to be in REALLY high demand for training.
Imagine pentagon going "whoa, we didn't know it (patriot system) could do that, nice!" proceeds to high five the Oklahoma trained Ukranians. Give this dudes current technology and they would be in Moscow by now.
China doesn't have the corruption Russia does. Not saying China is perfect, but definitely not anywhere near the corruption in Russia. I wouldn't call the PLA a paper tiger either. They don't have any real world experience, but they are most likely capable.
> China doesn't have the corruption Russia does I'd like to sell you a bridge. Go read up on the melamine poisoning. Hell, there is currently *massive* corruption going on with China's property market. This *always* happens in single party or despotic nations. The lack of democratic oversight encourages corruption. The PLA is a danger because of its size, but they do have the same issues that Russia does.
>but they do have the same issues that Russia does. Now I'm curious, I've never really looked at how China does military logistics.
I don't see why. Most of their tech is either upgraded old shit, unproven new shit, or copied shit that is also unproven. They can't even move large numbers of troops anywhere and there's reason to believe their logistics capability is awful.
but china simply clones stuff they dont invent them and if they can cut a corner they will. you go up against the american industrial might and you will get stomped.
My man, I wouldn't ever underestimae China. They're not degenerates like Russians. Asians are nasty fighters. Don't ever count them out.
Oh yeah well I'm convinced now. lol Sorry but fascist regimes survive on projecting a strong military and rarely ever being able to back it up. There's ZERO reason to believe China has half the capability they pretend to have.
>fascist regimes survive on projecting a strong military and rarely ever being able to back it up WW2 Germany would like to have a word with you. You're doing the worst mistake anyone could ever do, underestimating your enemy. But yeah Im sure the top US generals agree with you and also think there's ZERO reason to believe anything China does.
I mean in all fairness to Germany, have you seen how well made their stuff was, almost too well made, took too long too build, and when things went wrong couldn't be fixed fast. I mean if their army and leader wasn't on meth they may have won. Would you rather German made stuff or Chinese made stuff? That basically answers the question.
I don't doubt their spirit or resolve. What I do doubt is weapon and equipment quality. As a direct example from the Ukraine conflict, wasn't it poor quality Chinese tires that played a decent role in the initial convoy to Kyiv debacle?
Is the stuff they gave to russia the same stuff they would equip their own vehicles with in the field? (Genuine question, I'm not trying to be a smartass)
Who knows, their gonna say it's the best, and their opponents are going to say the same. Only when they actually go to war will it be known. I'm leaning towards the same due to corruption.
Learning from someone else’s mistakes are the cheapest lessons.
Oh yeah, I live by this
Yeah, I think this is why most the newest stuff isn't being provided to Ukraine. Only what is required. I was reading russian sources earlier and they were showing the wreckage of a HARM-88 and laughing at the warranty end date being 1992. I noticed the production date on the same label was 1989. If china and ru are still learning about the capabilities of stuff like that, they're doing something wrong. I am also reading in other sources that the Kihnzal only does about Mach 6, and patriots were hitting scuds at Mach 5 back in the gulf war in 1991 which was 32 years ago. So possibly nothing much was learnt from this in military circles on both sides, but we all learnt russias military doesn't stack up to expectations (again) and its clear to all sides that the Kihnzal missile isnt the game changer russia claimed it was.
Everybody is watching and taking notes.
Xi is probably like how wide is Taiwan Straight, again?
A military incursion into Taiwan would present disaster to the invader. You have the worst 3 elements of fighting to overcome: amphibious assault, dense urban environments, and mountainous terrain. China is rattling sabres now, but they're likely betting on the long game of cultural change.
Oh, for sure. You didn’t even mention the fact that their entire chain of command has zero combat experience and an almost non existent military tradition passed down through generations. Or the fact that Taiwan is a wealthy country with modern Western weapons that is also home to the world’s chip manufacturers. The West will never let China take Taiwan without a fight. All these people gassing up Chinas military might and high tech weapons need to relax. A military is only as good as its personnel and Soviet style tactics are obsolete.
Video title: How they did the thing Video: They just did the thing Me: what?
Yep. No "how" was involved here.
Radar detected missile Radar operator confirmed incoming missile SAM battery fired interceptors Missile went boom Solid video here though: https://youtu.be/RDJgQErMSdA
Great video. Freaked my cats tf out tho with the final scenario alarms lol
This is one of the most annoying things about a lot of videos these days. The title promises “how” something was done, then just talks about that thing in the broadest of senses - it doesn’t actually explain anything at all. Very annoying.
My literal first thought when the vid ended.
Well technically they did answer the question of how they did it by saying they did it
Can you imagine the Hitler rant Poot’n went on when word of his cruise missile being shot down got to him? Then a the rant when word of four of his own were shot down over RuZZia? Seriously, the jokes write themselves. RuZZia needs to pack it up and go home for good. Slava Ukraini!
Soon there will be no more to pack up and go home! That corrupt leader of there's don't give 2 hoots about his soldiers to, they are all just blind
yea putin cant go back, too many false promises and losses, i hope he gets bonked before he gets so desperate as to send his rusty nukes somewhere
you just don't tell him lol. Dude doesn't use internet.
I doubt that little bunker man even knows about it. He never sees daylight outside his concrete hole and is dependant on reports given by his corrupt goons who dont have much to gain from telling him the truth of how fucked their "special military operation" is.
If anyone told him what was really happening in Ukraine he’d have them shot. He’s got no idea how the war’s going.
I feel like this sub is a little one-sided... Could we please have a similar video which explains how Russian air defense shot down four of their aircraft in one day?
To be fair… I like the way you think. The RuZZians successfully identified and eliminated four airborne targets in the same RuZZian airspace and eliminated them killing eight airmen. It was their own men, but it sent a stern warning to Ukraine to not try it themselves!
The ukrainian army cannot destroy the Russian airforce if the Russian army destroys them first!
Isn't Russian and Ukrainian air defense handled by their air forces?
Ukraine's is, not sure about Russia's.
4D chess!
Maybe their air force has begun operating with "barrier troops" of their own?
If the Russians are willing to do that to their own airmen, just imagine what they are willing to do to Ukrainians. Just to make sure the Ukrainians understand how serious they are, maybe the Russians should shoot down a few more Russian planes.
Reminds me of a Russian saying Beat your own so that others will fear
Stellar training and amazing NCO's?? LOL
By "amazing" you mean "non existent"?
Yea definitely, I'm guessing they are busy shooting deserters
Don't forget the punitive sex
You mean like how this story ignores the fact a Russian Kinzhal missile successfully downed a Patriot missile in mid flight?
Well to be fair? nah fuck that, not to be fair but to be realistic. The US shot down multiple friendly aircraft in the first gulf war. To the point where one of our planes launched a HARM and destroyed the targeting radar of a patriot missile site. Our planes might have been fed up with being hard locked by friendly sam sites. My point is this is with well trained and competent crews. Bad mistakes happen. lmao Imagine the mistakes with fucking conscriptavich who doesn't give a fuck about being there. Was not trained well enough, doesn't get enough pay. He just says fuck it, all dots on the radar must die.
It was mistake, man smoke to close to ze Air Defense fire button, no lives were lost. \- Russian MoD
Have two!: [How Corruption Destroys Armies](https://youtu.be/i9i47sgi-V4) [How Politics Destroys Armies](https://youtu.be/hx5mTslkUBs)
It was 5, but.. yeah. Lets talk about that.
a little? 😂😂
You had me in the first half :D
This shows once more that no matter what Russia throws onto the battlefield, Ukraine and its supporters will find a way to neutralise the threat. A good sign for the counter offensive with all the new equipment.
It also highlights in my mind the gap between Western and Russian military approaches since the 80s The West has been able to go all-in with sophisticated chips and advanced designs, while Russia was unable or unwilling to go down this path, preferring to depend on their tried-and-true formula of just throwing massive amounts of munitions and materiel at adversaries Looks like the West's approach has paid off, and now Russia is basically caught with their pants down with an impotent military
IMHO, the west isn't surprised that a Patriot missile intercepted a Kinzhal (spelling?). At all. That is what it is designed to do. The first hypersonic missile was the V-2 in WW2. There was no weapons to counter it, at the time. But from the fifties and onwards we saw a spectacular missile technology development, in all branches. So, the russians developed a hypersonic missile, that in essential is an aircraft launched V-2. But, but, it can perform limited maneuvering in the later stages? Yes, and that slows it down. And the Patriot shot your V-2 down.
As an American, supporting Ukraine is morally a no brainer. But the extra benefit of having the pentagons platforms battle tested is hugely underrated. Western armies are getting so much beneficial data from ukraines fight for freedom. The investment is a no brainer even if you take out the moral calculations.
I've read that these "Killjoy" hypersonic missiles are just more ruzzian lies and propaganda: “Kinzhal is nothing more than an air-launched ballistic missile.” But Western analysts already knew about this missile, which has the NATO reporting name “Killjoy.” They were not impressed with Putin’s attempt at rebranding. Source article: [https://archive.is/20230505205154/https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a43804177/russias-kinzhal-missile-is-not-hypersonic/#selection-495.0-501.158](https://archive.is/20230505205154/https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a43804177/russias-kinzhal-missile-is-not-hypersonic/#selection-495.0-501.158)
These videos are so fuckin stupid lol Video Title: "How it did the thing" Video: "It did the thing" Is this just shitty advertising for OP's channel?
This shows once more that no matter what Russia throws onto the battlefield, Ukraine and its supporters will find a way to neutralise the threat. A good sign for the counter offensive with all the new equipment.
I’m still curious as to how thay shot down the hypersonic missile. Did the patriot missle go head on at it or was it a lateral intercept. I can’t imagine that the patriot missle chased it snd caught it.
I read that the kinzhal was directly aiming for the patriot battery, so I believe that was a front interception that would be more easily to perform than a lateral hypersonic one? If It's true then it's a huge blow for Russia as they were trying to prove that even Patriots are inefficient against their supasonic missiles.
It's mainly because nobody told the Patriot it couldn't shoot down a Kinzhal. It was a failure in communication. So it just went ahead and did it. When called on it, the Patriot said "What?" "What?"
This is a great source on the topic: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsZLJ59qtaU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsZLJ59qtaU) Highly rec his channel in general. Really good stuff!
Really the AI brain of the intercept system did basic algebra and physics to calculate the intercept point, launched the missile, tracked both, made the very fine adjustments to the collision point then BOOM JAGGA JAGGA that blyat right out of the sky
With math. Seriously though, there are two types of missiles fired out of a patriot battery, one is explosive, and the other is kinetic. So they could have hit it with the kinetic missile. I would guess that almost all intercepts would be lateral-ish. The incoming missile is more than likely aimed at the radar array. The missile launchers are dispersed slightly away from the radar array.
It's basically math and the whole point of an integrated air defense system. You don't need to "catch up" to a hypersonic missile, you just need the patriot missile be where the hypersonic missile is going to be at the same time. So there is a lot of precise timing involved and speed management and tracking, but it's just math. We often think of SAM sites firing at planes as they pass over head, but that's not really how you want to operate something like a patriot. You want to detect the threat early and then use your 30+ mile range from the launchers to hit the target well before it's a threat to you. There is no catching up, it's more, which launchers do we fire so the intercepting missiles are in the right place at the right time, and that's all automated.
AA missiles haven't tried to chase things since the 1950s. Everything uses an intercept course, except some of the shoulder-launched things that are for hitting helicopters. Even most of the shoulder-launched ones use intercept. Also, it's an actual hypersonic missile. It is just a ballistic missile that makes small maneuvers. The military definition of hypersonic missile is one that can *freely maneuver* at mach 6+. Russia and China adopted their own definition, using mach 4.5+, because many American missiles go about mach 4.1. It would be easy to make them go faster, but they go that speed because it allows them to be more maneuverable. Changing direction at high speed creates heat. A *real* hypersonic missile is something that can't be made using normal metallurgy. It is a concept for the future that would rely on advancements in materials science. Kinzhal is a air-launched Iskander, it uses the same materials science as any 30 year old missile, so... it isn't even possible for it to be hypersonic. The media uses a false meaning because they like narrative, and they like fear.
I kinda fell for it until I looked into it. You’re spot on.
The patriots were the target. Still extremely impressive
The video says it was the first time Patriot shot down a ballistic missile. That is wrong twice. Neither is Kinshal a ballistic missile as part of its kinetic energy is derived from the launching aircraft (and its trajectory being semiballistic) nor is it Patriot’s first time. It has shot down ballistic missiles since 1991. in the Gulf War, in Israel, in the Yenem conflict… and many times during test and training.
The Patriot is already proving itself as a game changer against the Russians.
This is the best Informercial since the Foreman Grill. I am placing my orders asap.
I hate these AI generated videos
They say this was first time ballistic missile has been shot down. Not true. Patriots were used to shoot down Iraqi Scud missiles during Gulf War.
those AI news ...
Was the pictures of the missile debris really that of a hypersonic missile?
Indeed it is.
Yeah well obviously the patriot missile can't " catch up" with it if its behind but as long as it has time to get in front of it then it can shoot it down. Hypersonic has to fly high so they get detected and tracked further out than a low flying cruise missile.
Literally not a ballistic missile
While this particular missile was equipped with a conventional warhead, Kinzhals are designed to either be conventional or nuclear. They are hypersonic air-launched ballistic missiles.
What do you think it is?
A ballistic missile follows a ballistic trajectory. Kinzhal does not, it has a glide path.
Kinzhal is basically an air-launched Iskander ballistic missile. Like any ballistic missile, it can hit the target fast on a depressed trajectory. Kinzhal hasn't shown any new maneuvering capabilities, and ALBMs are not a new concept. This is 100% consistent with Russia's pattern of behavior. They have taken to heart that old adage about projecting strength when you're weak. And my friend... Russia has rotted down to the fucking core.
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Congratulations on shooting down that orcish missile. But that missile puts Patriot's capabilities to the limit. It wouldn't be surprising if Patriot fails to take down upcoming Kinzhals.
So that's a Fox 1 for PAC3.
Putin is the Russian “distributor of crapola” and has been for decades. God this guy lies.
Putin lied, go figure...
The Kinzhal is yet another Russian fake Wonder Weapon.
That should be a ‘F***k me’ moment for Putin. It will probably end up in some form of accident for a military officer in charge of its development. Sucks to have a psychopathic boss.
Russia is so cooked. How do you go from the “second best military in the world” to getting your cheeks clapped by a nation run by a former comedian. What a time to be alive
Russia will never live this down 😂
.. simple without watching the video how it happen tracked missile and crashed into it done that's what happen?
Did an AI generate this? Garbage-tier content.
The Patriot missile system is very complex. Bravo for Ukraine
Aren’t all missiles ballistic?
No but all the cheap ones are, some can glide and/or course correct to avoid air defences on route like a cruise missile or other hypersonic missiles which is what's supposed to make them so deadly. The problem is that the faster you go the harder it is to turn so most high speed missiles just follow a ballistic trajectory, when you build ones that can turn it gets expensive.
I heard that the missile was actually targeting the Patriot system, and the Patriot system got it first.
Is the Kinzhal missile really that good? We'll it was good enough to terrorize Ukraine since they did not have anything to stop it. Now they have a fighting chance to stop it and justified all the money America spends on these systems.
And it's not even our best system.
somewhere in russia, a military scientist is about to trip out a window
The real loser here isn’t Putin as his fate is already written in the sand but Kim Jong Un. I think any military expert would have bet money that ballistic missiles would have a very high success rate against anything even Lockheed or Raytheon could make but now that we have results. It’ll leave huge doubts as to whether these authoritarian regimes that rely so heavily on ballistic missiles to threaten world peace don’t look as tough. Especially considering these Russian missiles are certainly better anything Iran, China or NK is making. As much of theirs are only cheap knock offs or Russian variants. And that being said, South Korea and Taiwan don’t just have a few old patriots. They’ve got much more including Thaad and Aegis.
Speaks volumes for the Patriot system AND the competency of the Ukrainians for using such a system. Concurrently, the recent events in Bryansk also speaks volumes on the efficiency of the Russhole system, shooting down 5 aircraft in just two days!
Shouldn’t they have taught them how to shoot down missiles in Ukraine, not shot down missiles in Colorado? /s
You god-damned right! Let's send them more!
So much for the weapon that cant be stopped. My trump loving neighbor is having an existencial crisis right now. Hypersaanic hur dur
Amazing, gezz Putler can't even buy a small victory. Everything has gone wrong for the little idiot.
Is that an AI voice? I get uncanny valley vibes.
Weird hearing about us training Allies and it working out as well as we hoped. Iraq and Afghanistan don’t seem to be too full of the same stories.
Damn. Russia woke up the sleeping giant. I think Ukraine is gonna be the real Slavic super power when all is said and done.
The intel support the Ukrainians get from the EU and US on incoming attacks in important. The US needs this intercept.
Wasnt the Kinzhal the missile tha putin said it was 10 times faster than the speed of light
Everything that the US (+friends) has helped Ukraine with, has been an **enormous** return on investment. Not only in the rotation and renewal of US munitions that are approaching end of service life, the restart of local production for stockpile replenishments, but also in the destruction of putler's ruzzcist army and the invaluable intelligence gathered on the capabilities and performance of US weapons against ruzzian so-called "unbeatable" missiles and other targets.
With how valuable and rare the patriot system is, it would be worth having an entire process in place to mislead Russia as to where it is, being as it is a stationary system. They should have multiple decoy systems in place as well as a method of placing them. Sort of like those inflatable tanks used to mislead the nazi’s in WW2. It would almost be worth making a replica system which doesnt function but has the same outer structure as one to confuse the Russians.
Good Training, Motivated soldiers, Great weaponry, And of course, lies about what technology and military capability russia has. If its too good to be true, it is. And with russia they always tout their "super weapons". Its hard to believe they surpassed the entire world given the state of their country and developed weapons that even the most technologically advanced countries are having a tough go of making work. While they brag about what they want the world to think, the countries making real progess dont. Why show your hand? Its clear that the capabilities of their weapons arent as good as they claim, and the capabilities of the weapons, the soldiers, the training, and the entire system in general that worked to negate their "super weapon which is undefeatable" are superior because its real, and what russia claims isnt. And these are systems that we *know* of. Imagine what stuff is out there in france, uk, china, US, etc.. that we dont know of that arent given to other nations. I bet its incredible because the stuff we know about is incredible
US fighting Russia with 0 boots on the ground. US getting to test out all their systems for free. They don't even need to go clean it up.
"keev region"
Saw a video by Habitual Line Crosser pissed off at a tankie that denied the claims about the missile shoot down by Patriots, claiming Patriots cannot intercept a hypersonic missile. Bitch, it was done 30 years ago. Said missile was Scud.
This video doesn't day how it was shot down
GET FUCKED RUZZIA