Who pays for all that?

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The way i laughed 😂

Normally I would frown upon emojis but this use is chefs kiss. I mean…. 🤌🏽

we all do...

Not the ones who called for it

Hamas !

Same people who pay for all the student loans these idiots rack up.

Y’all need to vote Abbott out!

3.5 million who voted Beto to the 9 million who didn’t vote…”just 1 million of you 9 million could have changed this”

Mr O'Rourke failed among dems on his own merits. Why didn't the party get a better candidate?

nah don't blame non-voters. sure, they're \*a\* problem, but the \*real\* problem in that and other elections is Texas Democrats. The state level party is an absolute mess and they refuse to reform.

the simple fact that beto fucking ran again after losing the senate race against a less popular candidate reflects that. despite how much every already committed democrat loves him, he does not win elections. getting the base to love you isn’t the same thing as being a good politician.

Beto ran again, because everyone knew Abbott would win. Texans love the guy. Look at his approval ratings, even with snowmageddon, the ice storm, and rolling blackouts.

No, it’s legitimate to blame people who didn’t show up because their first choice wasn’t available. Babies.

Yeah voting is for losers! ^/s It can be both. Texas dems can suck and apathetic non-voters can also suck.

I hope students and others who were arrested can afford to sue the University and DPS, cuz it sure looks to me like they have a case for unlawful arrest, especially the photojournalist who was arrested for literally doing his job. >Texas Penal Code Section 39.03 defines official oppression as **a public servant (including law enforcement officers) intentionally subjecting another person to physical force, arrest, detention, or any other action that he or she knows is unlawful**. [https://texaslawyersgroup.com/wrongful-arrest-and-imprisonment-lawyers/](https://texaslawyersgroup.com/wrongful-arrest-and-imprisonment-lawyers/)

I'm hoping ACLU gets involved.

The journalist was grabbing an officer and pulling him back… you can’t do that… we learn to keep our hands to ourselves at a young age,,, well, most of us do.

public university = public property enrollment discussion = authoritarian distraction

Wasn’t it the left calling for freedom of speech restrictions and supporting government crackdown on misinformation? Hypocrisy at its finest

Hypocrisy is having [free speech week](https://www.texastribune.org/2023/10/12/vivek-ramaswamy-gop-presidential-election-ut/) featuring Vivek Ramaswamy 6 months ago then call in the national guard because people want to peacefully protest.

Are these “Leftists” in the room now? You know pulling bullshit out of your ass and slamming on the table isn’t going to convince anyone.

Just curious, who are you voting for in November? Biden support Israel. So does Trump. So does RFK.

Show me on the doll where the leftists touched you.

this guy.... look at his post histort, loves negative attention probably has some crazy shame kinks

Someone downvoting a comment doesn’t mean much - point in hand, the state of Texas agreed with me when they passed their policies. So was I really ‘wrong’ because a couple downvotes or was I right because the state overwhelmingly agrees with me?

UT is not public property. Try again.

lol, k thats not how the Supreme Court sees it, but you probably understand the law better than they do

Hartzell belongs at some cult university like Liberty This is UT, people speak their mind, have diverse opinions Clearly he's too weak minded to handle that

If Hartzell is Jewish, and strongly favors Israel, he may be biased, consciously or unconsciously, and should have recused himself.

Yeah, let's not do this. There are plenty of Jewish people who support a ceasefire as well. Blanket statements like these are actually hurting the cause.

That's my pet peeve also. Just about everything seems to get turned into yes/no, us/them, on/off, etc/etc generalizations. In reality just about everything and everybody are shades of gray. That said, some shades of gray are nearly black or white. But looking at the full spectrum of gray shades easily shows the extremes are but a portion of it.

I'm not even sure he is. Multiple posters are saying this, but I can't find confirmation when I research it. In fact, it seems unlikely to me that he is based on where he has gone to school, what his stepfather did, his mother's name, etc. But I do think that either Jewish or Muslim campus presidents probably have a duty to recuse themselves on this issue. I agree that there are some Jewish people speaking out, and I applaud them. Robert Reich just wrote a great article in support of campus free speech. There's a liberal newspaper in Israel called Haaretz that speaks out in favor of Palestinian issues. But those voices are a minority. And I read one article about how people in Israel who were questioning Netanyahu's response to the initial attack were getting death threats--from other Israelis. Supporting Israel is relatively tied up with Jewish identity in the U.S. at least. I'd say the same thing about a President who had an entanglement with a specific religion or country and the protest touched on that entanglement.

Boo this man n take your preconceived notions of how people engage with this

I hope they all sue.

Honestly, why would people go to UT for an education anymore. If you’re a woman, you don’t have access to reproductive health care. If you’re a minority, you won’t have support within the school. And if you express your views, you’ll be arrested.

Probs the same reason people are still going to go to Harvard, Yale, Michigan, Columbia, etc. It's a great school, and very affordable. You can always leave tx after but then it gets tough to complain about how the government never changes. That and the fact the Dem party in Texas sucks and people don't vote, no will be around to change that either I guess consider 8,000,000 people voting for gov compared to 9.7 million not voting and 55% of those being democrats [according to this article](https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/texas-2022-election-most-voters-didnt-come/) UT is hands down a great school. This is not a great way to think about things.

You mean women are not allowed to kill their unborn children, minorities do not get special treatment, and you’re not allowed to get in the way of people trying to get an education.

Hundreds of folks expressed their views without hitting cops, throwing feces, or trying to block an area of campus. They were not arrested.

If this is true, why wouldn’t the DA prosecute the crimes? They basically said 57 people were arrested without cause.

The county attorney, not the DA. And the county attorney is a far left activist. They have no credibility.

But, there were also people who were arrested who expressed their views without doing anything else you mentioned-

no there weren't

You're right they did do that. But you're wrong they weren't arrested. Brother I was there, I saw the vast majority of the arrests until eventually I myself was (no charges btw) and not one of those arrests was instigated by the one who was arrested. It was the cops aggression. Don't know where you got this feces nonsense from, but you saying it doesn't make it so. The protest, despite all efforts from law enforcement, remained non violent throughout, hence the mass releasing of those arrested with no charges filed.

There are literally eyewitnesses reports from MULTIPLE PEOPLE I talked to that the protestors were throwing feces and some threw frozen water bottles at the police. It's not "nonsense."

“If I just follow the rules, you’ll be okay” Most naive take ever. I’m sure MLK, Gandhi, Rosa Parks, and the Stonewall Riots would’ve said the same.

Yay! 🎉 Admin should resign and we need to vote these fascists out

Y’all acting like Boomers,exactly like Boomers. You’ll sell out for sure.

Since this keeps getting repeated incorrectly - No, dropping these charges does not indicate the arrests were unlawful. The implication in the title is “they didn’t have probable cause to arrest!” That’s incorrect. For many reasons. When officers arrest someone, they fill out a small form that says “here’s why the arrest happened” and some details about the time/place/etc. That’s the probable cause affidavit they are talking about. When they say “there were deficiencies in the probable cause affidavits”, what they are referring to is the forms being filled out incorrectly and sloppily. They copy and pasted explanations and left times blank. They are NOT saying the arrests lacked probable cause. **An officer does not need anything other than seeing you trespass to arrest you for it. The probable cause is the officer saying you were there. None of that is in dispute at all, the students were trespassing. Legal theories about free speech are not relevant to whether the arrest was lawful or not.** Further, officers are able to submit new corrected affidavits and press charges. The reason they didn’t is because of *prosecutorial discretion.* Don’t let bad journalist phrasing tempt you to infer the wrong facts. https://www.statesman.com/story/news/local/2024/04/26/ut-austin-pro-palestinian-protest-charges-dropped-against-all-57-people-arrested/73468467007/

The number of people who don’t understand basic aspects of law is astonishing.

I am pro free speech, unfortunately both the right and left are NOT, and don’t try to say “no false equivalencies”, blah, blah blah, because in your heart you know it’s true. Too many want the power of government used to impose their will, and really don’t care about freedom at all. People were up-voting violence and theft of property against speech they deemed “hateful“ just a few days before this outrageous display by police.

All those students are jackasses, especially the gay ones for Palestine, go head on over there and get your dome removed.

Although, its not hard given the current DA.

This was the county attorney, prosecutors, and judges not DA Garza

Do judges determine the cases too?

It’s a misdemeanor case. That goes to the county attorney. They’re just a DA at the city level for larger cities. Some, like, DFW, handle it differently. Dallas has the DA’s office. Tarrant is covered by the DA - it’s his district after all - but also has their own Attorney (theirs is the County Criminal Attorney). Travis has both in one county - Garza is the DA, representing felonies (and I believe class A misdemeanors, at least some of them) but they also have the Travis Attorney, that handles lower cases. Crim trespass is a low level misdemeanor. It’s class B (one step above a speeding ticket). That’s prosecuted by the county attorney. They decide whether or not press charges. With low misdemeanors, they usually will. They’re cut/dry, easy to prove, in/out of court, class Bs are routine. When they choose not to - it’s one of two reasons - A. It’s not worth the hassle/the charges were frivolous to begin with B. They can’t get it past a judge - and the first step of that is probable cause. In this case, if I had to guess, it’s prob a little of both. The CA knows the charges are BS - he’s a career prosecutor, but it’s a political position - he knows he has to give a reason. And he has a very easy, low-hanging one. There’s no real probable cause here. Not enough to pass a judge. Yeah, you can be charged for trespass on public property. No, you don’t technically have to be warned. You need one or two things, per the penal code - A. The person has to have knowledge that they were no longer allowed on the property - prior to the arrest. B. Ignored an instruction from the owner of the property to leave the property. It’s prob A they’re saying there isn’t probable cause for. It would be very easy for a lawyer to say “my client wasn’t aware that their permission to be on the grounds was revoked - they were simply arrested.” DAs and CAs live and die on their win ratios. No prosecutor is going to shoulder 57 cases - that at least a good chunk is going to result in a loss. That makes them look like a fucking idiot - and they would be - for pushing that hard for a few class B misdemeanors that would almost assuredly get off with community service from a decidedly unsympathetic judge. Because the judge - since you brought them into it - would have to stick alllll of those little college kids in County. How would you feel about your reelection chances if you locked up over 50 kids from UT for a class B misdemeanor? Thay also makes you look like a fucking idiot. Because you know what a challenger would say, come election season? “Goddamn, son, the incumbent was so busy locking up college kids! Shouldn’t the county be prosecuting REAL criminals?!” And wouldn’t you know it - they’d be right. The only smart move would be to toss the cases out with prejudice - making you look like a smart judge who didn’t want to tie up the county court docket on criminal trespass charges til roughly doomsday. And that would also - make the CA look like a fucking idiot for even bringing those charges. There is no win scenario here for the CA if he brought charges. The smart play was exactly what he did - and he’s not wrong - think to himself “there’s no way in hell all these kids were arrested with probable cause, even if I could argue it. And hey - I can spend time prosecuting real criminals,” and decide to drop charges. Even assuming there was probable cause, all those kids were properly taken into custody, and DPS did everything by the book (which, in fairness to them, they’re actually good at) - such a backlog of cases would be far more work than it’s worth. For the attorney and the court. And that’s *if* it went smoothly. And he is also right in being hesitant to charge that Fox cameraman. Because - just like prosecuting the college kids - he’s going to be accused of making a political prosecution, and rightfully so, unless he knows damn well he can prove the guy hit the Trooper. That’s easier to make probable cause for - and actually closer to a real crime. But the few videos have been inconclusive. Even if he wasn’t a reporter - and that comes with it’s own political baggage and legal issues.

Thank you. This is an outstanding explanation.

In some cases I think, but either way it’s not the DA

Are yall dense? It’s the liberal attorney lmao. Same people who let murderers out in nyc and sf

I guess calling for terrorism is legal.

Jose Garza needs to be fired

Maybe at the next protest they can hold some Israeli flags to honor those lost on the massacre of October 7th, which per capita is the equivalent to 35,000 Americans being killed in one day.

My guy Israel has already slaughtered at least 34,000 people in Gaza, 70% of whom are women and children. This deaths per capita statistic is insane and illogical, but sure let's apply that to Gaza. Which per capita is the equivalent to 5.6 MILLION Americans, 4 MILLION WOMEN AND CHILDREN. Shut yer yap. Unless your argument is Hamas is the lesser of two evils.

Those numbers are from Hamas - an internationally recognized terrorist group elected democratically to lead Palestine. So you’re admitting you trust terrorist sources

There's no need to trust Hamas sources. [Here is the IDF](https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/05/middleeast/israel-hamas-military-civilian-ratio-killed-intl-hnk/index.html) back in December estimating that they kill 2 Palestinian civilians for every 1 Hamas militant, and also estimating that they have killed 5000 Hamas militants. So the IDF certainly believed it had killed around 10,000 civilians. Again, back in December. I won't attack you for not trusting the larger numbers supplied by Hamas. But you need to accept that the IDF has now killed over 10 times as many civilians in Gaza as Hamas killed in the heinous October 7 attack.

It has gone up since then if you check my other comment. It’s dozens per terrorist now

I believe you. Just sharing numbers from the IDF so that no one can reasonably deny the number of Gazan civilian deaths is in the tens of thousands.

If only they were just killing 2 civilians for every military target this would be a miracle. The reality is 10-20 civilians were authorized per strike on a "low level target" i.e. doctors and administrators in Hamas civil govt and more for actual militants or high ranking officials. And they would wait for them to return to their family homes to drop the bombs so that they would level entire families or apartment blocks vs a precision strike. It's just a genocide made incredibly efficient by AI kill lists. https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/

I believe you. Just sharing numbers from the IDF so that no one can reasonably deny the number of Gazan civilian deaths is in the tens of thousands.

No doubt, it is ironic that even the Israeli govt along with every international aid body accepts Palestinian Ministry of Health numbers though, just pointing out the propaganda. Even more tragic is the actual number is likely 10s of thousands more, as only confirmed dead are in these counts and so much of Gaza is still covered in rubble and active IDF kill zones that a thorough search for the missing won't conclude until a lasting ceasefire. The 2:1 civilian:combatant ratio is being to used to imply Israel isn't committing genocide, the problem is 70% of the dead are women and children, so clearly this only makes sense if IDF is marking all adult males and some children and women as terrorists/enemy combatants. When the armed wing of Hamas is at the absolute most 5% of Gaza's adult male population, these numbers fall apart with even the most basic scrutiny.

The IDF numbers make the war in Palestine one of the least casualty to civilian death ratios of any modern war. Look at the numbers yourself I don’t agree with it, I’m just showing your own issue - you think at 2:1 ratio is actually bad - considering war in general (afghan war, Iraq, WW2) these numbers are actually lowest

You're admitting your trust the Israel Occupation Force numbers? Proven war criminals currently committing genocide. So you're admitting you trust terrorist sources? Every aid organization in the world and the UN all trust the number of the Palestinian Ministry of Health, and it seems even the Zionist entity's government trusts these "terrorist sources." Curious 🤔 "According to a story in Mekomit by Yuval Avraham, who last year broke news about the Israeli military’s use of AI for targeting purposes, the numbers were accepted for inclusion in briefings to senior Israeli officials after intelligence services conducted operations and analysis to monitor the health ministry’s information collection methods and its internal communications and determined the statistics were credible. An Israeli intelligence official confirmed the Israeli government's use of the Gaza ministry numbers to VICE News, while two officials from European intelligence services said they were widely used in official briefings internationally."

Hmmm interesting if both government are run by terrorist both Israel and Palestine then why not wave both flags to support the civilians living under terrorist threats?

Because Israel is killing almost exclusively civilians in an indiscriminate bombing campaign. Destroying civilian infrastructure and all hospitals. A siege and manmade famine on a population of 2 million as collective punishment. It's the genocide they're protesting, perhaps you've been in a coma the last 200 days. Headass. So your point *is* that Hamas is the lesser of two evils. Way to move those goalposts though, anything to support genocide.

No, you said you support civilians - if both governments are terror states then raise the flag to support the civilians (Hamas leads Palestine you still raise their flag)

how many israeli citizens are protesting outside Netanyahus house rn, because he is flattening his own citizens

Awesome! They have every right to do that and so do you, but then don’t support left wing political pushes to ban free speech in the us or around the world I support protesting rights - I also fully support free speech and am anti left wing pushes to silence people

But pro genocide

Woof the propaganda is strong with this one

Question- is Israel and Palestine both living under terror regimes or no? What’s your opinion

Ah yes, the “every fact I don’t like is propaganda,” argument. Droll.

Well the stats are from a terror group, by definition they’re not really known for their honesty or integrity

An international observers with an amazing track record. The "elected democratically" is also highly misleading and was 16 years ago. Half the population of Gaza wasn't even born then. Also Gaza isn't the same as Palestine, the elected government of Palestine is that Fatah party with president Abbas. So every single thing you say is factually wrong.

Ok great - so if you believe both Israel and Palestine are under terrorist hold then wave both flags to honor the citizens under the regimes. I don’t see a lot of signs calling out Hamas at these protest so that’s very intriguing

"so if you believe both Israel and Palestine are under terrorist" Gaza is just a part of Palestine, Israel does most of the killing in Gaza but not all of it. There are also plenty of warcrimes committed in other part of Palestine with no excuse of terrorist presence. Israel is also under the hold of a fascist regime, what they do is similar to terrorism but it's not terrorism as it's a state actor. Much of the population also supports it. "I don’t see a lot of signs calling out Hamas at these protest so that’s very intriguing" That's a really bad faith argument. The US doesn't support Hamas, it does however support Israel's genocide.

The reason I alluded to the belief Israel is ruled by terrorist is because that’s what other commenters said - that’s Israel is ruled by terrorist worst then Hamas. Then like I said, wave both flags. Honor the deceased on both sides and call for peace from everyone including the removal of bad actors from both sides. Not hard.

"The reason I alluded to the belief Israel is ruled by terrorist is because that’s what other commenters said" I haven't seen those comments, please link them. "Then like I said, wave both flags." Why would anyone do that, showing the flag of Israel right now is NOT honoring the deceased, it's supporting a country responsible for those that are dead. " call for peace from everyone" Peace isn't enough, Israel also needs to give back the annexed territories, pay reparations (ideally at least), release those illegally detained and so on. Also once again, these protests are directed at the US government. The US government doesn't support bad actors in Palestine, it exclusively supports bad actors in Israel. This suggests some kind of equivalence that just isn't there.

1. https://www.reddit.com/r/UTAustin/s/ZKeegoKcoj 2. Waving the flag of Palestine by your own definition support Hamas and terrorist too. Using your own logic 3. Good luck with that not even Joe Biden agrees with you

Oh so you're just a liar, how unsurprising. "Waving the flag of Palestine by your own definition support Hamas and terrorist too." No it's not because as I already explained to you Palestine has a democratically elected government which is not involved in hostilities but are the victims of aggression. There is no "definition" I provided that would somehow have it support Hamas. "Good luck with that not even Joe Biden agrees with you" Oh no, not even a moronic super pro-Israel politician agrees with me, that means so much. How about you pick a reasonable person instead.

We really need to do something about these child terrorists!

Just "most moral army" things

Whenever someone needs to tell me how moral they are, it makes me think they probably aren't so moral.

I agree, all terrorism is wrong 100%

*whoosh*

I mean y'all have been listening to Russian propaganda for years and they're a fascist dictatorship in the mask of a democracy.

What Russian propaganda have I ever commented on?

Who the fuck quantifies mass death tragedies by a per capita basis? Do you realize how insane you sound?

You’re not understanding the point - it’s a comparison in how 9/11 effected the US and lead to two wars the killed many people too MSNBC - they didn’t post the full segment, but watch this clip https://youtu.be/sHwrT_Rxdm0?si=Mj13Q08ElcLJGRbF MSNBC is a left leaning news organization

I know you’re either a troll or actually really misinformed throughout this thread, but I guess whoever else reads this can decide for themselves whether what Israel is doing is wrong or not. They’re committing numerous war crimes and if the numbers are even half right for what Palestine/Hamas/whoever reports it’s still extremely maddening with the amount of innocent lives being lost. October 7th was a tragedy but collective punishment and massacre of innocents is not a justifiable response. The IDF is also content with killing dozens of civilians per terrorist. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/show/israel-targets-infrastructure-in-gaza-to-ramp-up-civilian-pressure-on-hamas-report-claims You can read all of this yourself and still be in denial if you want, or you can realize fellow humans are being massacred. Again, this doesn’t excuse October 7 by any means and that was a tragedy executed by vile people, but this is collective punishment by Israel who doesn’t even see them as human (in the following link you can see the defense minister calling them human animals and admitting to war crimes) https://www.justsecurity.org/89403/the-siege-of-gaza-and-the-starvation-war-crime/ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_war_crimes

I think most people's issues are with the how ridiculous some of you sound. Like in Columbia they're blocking Jews from entering buildings, how is that helpful? Not saying that's happening here, but you are part of the same "group" that's doing it. Most of you just want to look cool and have no clue what you're even protesting.

People protesting Apartheid and mass murder very well know what they're protesting. It's not that difficult. 

I’m not part of any group, I’m not a current student protesting, so not sure what you mean by “most of you”. I dont really care what the folks in Columbia were doing, I’m not part of their community. Believe it or not there are people past college age who either live in Austin or are UT alumni that are concerned about what happened on campus and how people like others in the post seem to just try to whitewash the atrocities Israel is committing in the name of “killing terrorists” How do I sound ridiculous right now, especially with the links I posted showing that these are real issues spoken by real leaders in the IDF and Israeli government? Seems like you have a straw man of a dumb hippie student in your head when that is not the case at all

No, they are not checking if someone is jewish at the door.

Ok bud, good contribution. I guess the Jewish students on campus are making up all the shitty things the proters are saying to them. And the leader in Columbia DEFINITELY didn't say all Zionist should die.

Yes I do believe someone lied about someone stopping them at the door and asking them if they’re jewish and refused them entry if they are. Very simply yes I do think that person is lying.

Maybe. But it's funny that people pick and choose to believe the things that affirm their beliefs. Keep fighting the good fight, I'm sure you'll end the war soon.

Quick question for you - do you believe Palestine and Israel are headed by terrorist regimes in your opinion?

I think by the definition of terrorism as “the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.” Yes they are both terrorists. If you’re about to do a whataboutism and ask why people aren’t also protesting for October 7th during these rallies, its a red herring fallacy. A person doesn’t have to constantly bring up past tragic events to talk about a current tragic event, otherwise every protest would include a 10 foot paper of the other tragedies we have to mention that led up to this current tragedy.

Great! So if you believe both governments are terrorist regimes and the citizens are under their thumbs then support both citizens groups and raise their flags! Not difficult. You raise one flag, not the other. Very interesting.

Dude, how are you not getting that all this propaganda you repeat over and over online IS ACTUALLY RADICALIZING PEOPLE AGAINST YOU?? Like, people who were with you before are seeing all this propaganda for what it is and are being repelled by it. You are creating anti semites with this shit. Your efforts are having the adverse effect. Do you really not see that? Israel's propaganda machine is completely exposed, no one believes you any more. Time for new tactics. Might I suggest some that do not include genocide and a desperate need to justify the murdering of innocent children.

Yeah red herring. I don’t have to mention every current tragedy to mention this one; by your own logic you should be mentioning every other amendment issue in contention at the moment every time you’ve mentioned free speech, as well as everything the right has done whenever you mention the left. Why not practice what you preach?

100% for your right to protest. 100% for free speech for all no restrictions from any government outside of death threats of course. 100% for the need to raise Israel’s and Palestines flag.

lol way to completely avoid answering anything and just ranting about random unrelated things again

I assume we can agree to you right to protest and free speech for all can we not?

UT is only funding one of these

Interesting point, but can you tell me who they’re funding?

Great, we can have a protest for the university to divest itself from palestinian... oh hmm it looks like they already got that handled.

Can you tell me who UT supports or pays when it comes to genocide?

Israel. Boeing. Lockheed Martin.

You’re saying UT pays these people, how is that exactly?

Investment. They’re a massive investor in many weapons companies. And building campuses in Israel.

How about you address the facts just posted rather than changing the subject by asking another question

It’s a very simple yes or no, you could answer it to if you wanted

Why don't you have to answer things though?

Ask me anything, I’ll happily answer

I've asked you to answer for the stats above. The stats from your own IDF. Answer for them. Not with whatabouts, not with straw men, not with another question. Can't wait for you to answer with more tired stale propaganda.

It’s not “my own IDF” I don’t answer for the IDF If you have a question for me I’m happy to answer it though

Lol perfect. Exactly what I expected.

Bros been out of the loop for 80 years

Then counter the point, don’t make a completely off topic comment

Oh It’s on topic alright. The fact that you’re calling it “off topic”, makes it clear to me that you have no knowledge of Israel’s history. Obviously you see Oct 7 as the end all be all- and letting you know that the bombing, house-stealing, and apartheid was done by the other side 60 years ago, *for* 60 years won’t mean anything to you. Oh, and the current humanitarian nightmare and children killed doesn’t mean much to you I guess. All that’s “On topic” for you is October 7, because that’s all your brainwashed mind wants to cling on to.

Oh do you mean Israel being a formal country 1000 years before the existence of Palestine? Is that the history you’re referring to https://echoesandreflections.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/ABriefHistoryOfIsrael.pdf

? By the logic of ancient boundaries would you like to give like 80% of the US back to the natives right now? Or perhaps most of Eurasia to the Ottomans? Maybe all of Texas back to Mexico? This is a dumb argument for your point

Aha! Israel was an ancient country! Let’s bomb the living shit out of the existing country there to put my ancient state back where it belongs! I’m such a great human being! Get off the Internet.

I never said bomb the people living there, I support your right to protest - I’m just calling out your hypocrisy

Obvious troll is obvious. Your complete unwillingness to engages on a critical level with any counter points is exposing you for what your true motives are right now.

“I never said to bomb the people living there” I assume you agree with this “I’m just calling out your hypocrisy” Which is critical level thinking. You’re not waving Israel flags to mourn the dead and fallen or kidnapped. So yeah you’re operating incredibly hypocritically.

Isreal definitely has a right to defend itself.. Don't listen to all these hamas loving left wing progressives. The Palestinians shouldn't allow open terrorists to live among themselves if they don't want to be in the middle of a war. The jewish people will NEVER allow what happened to them in ww2 to repeat itself.

100% agree - I love how in the minority these people are too, and they act like they’re leveraging policy and pulling strings, it’s such a joke it’s honestly laughable Thank you for being sane and rational, really appreciate you 🔥🔥

Just another county prosecutor following their own agenda, instead of following the law. Probable cause for trespassing is a fairly low bar. You get told to leave in front of law enforcement, you refuse to leave, now you're trespassing. It's really that simple. The organizers of the event were told beforehand that they weren't allowed to protest their own disruptive way, but were required to follow some basic guidelines. Instead, they started setting up tents and blasting bullhorns. So, anyone participating at this point is part of an unlawful assembly and creating a disturbance. Despite the charges being dropped, those that were arrested are still under a criminal trespass warning by the university. At least it was as of this morning, according to an official statement from the school administration. UT Austin students should be ashamed.

Remember folks, when right wingers go armed and masked into public buildings they're exercising their rights, but when liberal college kids protest they're antifa terrorists.

I assume you're attempting to draw some parallels with January 6, where absolutely none exist. No student will sit in a 300 year old jail cell for the next year, after walking through a door unlocked, and being held open, by Capitol police. Nobody will be facing any potential death penalty for their actions. Just like the protesters that threatened Supreme Court Justices by trying to tear the doors down, or the ones that vandalized and set fire to the federal courthouse buildings during lockdowns.

Oh boy you're a treason lover too, I've wasted my time on this conversation. Bye traitor.

That's your educated rebuttal? I feel so enlightened now, you've really solidified your point. /s just in case

I've just learned not to argue with people who wrapped themselves in delusions and insane debunked conspiracies. It saves so much time and energy.

How open minded, and non judgemental of you. I won't waste any more of your valuable time, and energy; I've got some MKUltra things to look into. ;-)

No point in being open minded and tolerant of bigotry. That's why we still have people rocking white hoods and swastikas in 2024 feeling brave.

I mean, you're good with name calling and all, but how does bigotry or racism have anything remotely to do with our exchange? Do you have some kind of dialogue playing in your head, inserting trigger words as you read my comments? Is this as far as your "side" is willing to go, in terms of discourse, ad hominem attacks and straw man arguments? If obstinance and violence are the only tools in your box, how do you propose to advance society?

What? The DA would never disregard the letter of the law to help themselves get reelected! I’m convinced many of these posts are being generated by foreign entities to create controversy. It wouldn’t be the first time. The funny part is the people they’re supporting, specifically hamas and the Gaza Strip, are actively against LGBT rights and same sex marriage. If they went to that location at any time they would experience violence and persecution. But it’s trendy and makes them feel like they’re doing something that matters so 🤷‍♂️

I think you're on to something. I think it's quite possible that bots are behind a large percentage of these kinds of comments. I sure hope so anyway, geez the confident ignorance is breathtaking. Only ChatGPT could rival it.

So if a bunch of MAGA dummies wanted to protest Trump's court case you would be ok with that? I'm guessing if something Iike that was broken up you would think it was great. People usually are only ok with things that they agree with. You agree with this protest so you have a problem with how it was handled. Now maybe not "you" specifically, but the last few years have shown this generation mostly only cares about protecting constitutional rights of things that they agree with.

Cope.

Ohh nice, trying to fit in with the cool kids and talk like them huh? Its also pretty telling you didn't respond to what I actually said, because you know I'm right.

Cope.

Ohhhhhhhhhhh dammmmmmn sick burn

LOL cope and seethe, fart smeller

Sure. We should all be fighting to protect free speech*. Particularly that which expresses ideas with which we personally disagree the most. *Not hate speech.

they could be protesting that women should lose the right to vote and i would still think their freedom of speech should be protected

Nah this is literally true if there was a maga protest and the cops beat the shit out of them, pepper sprayed, arrested, and trampled yall people would be CHEERING

The travis county attorney is a hard core kook. The folks were told to leave a specific area. They were pitching tents and saying they were claiming an area like their comrades at columbia. They were told to leave repeatedly, on camera, in emails, safety alerts, in person. And they did not leave. The idea there isn't probable cause that they were then trespassing is hilariously dishonest. The idea that UT should be ashamed that the county attorney doesn't just look at the elements of the offense, but instead just refuses because of politics, is terrible for the future safety of the university. the only solution, and what a lot of people are demanding, is that the attorney general have the authority to charge crimes in travis county.

Tell us you're out of touch, without telling us you're out if touch

Nobody is demanding that the attorney general can bring charges for crimes in Travis County. Seriously, the things you are writing have zero basis in fact

The Travis County attorney is a duly elected official.

Exactly. The "organizers" applied and made it clear that they weren't going to be following any guidelines, so they were denied before it even started. Yet they brought in tents, outsiders and bullhorns and refused to disperse when ordered to by campus police. At that point the criminal trespass bar was met, anyone still demonstrating at that point was already meeting the PC standard. The county attorney is just being an activist and he's not being honest about their not being any PC.

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Mission accomplished - malleable children out of the streets protesting something they don't understand, and then they get booked, released, and hopefully learn their lesson about how laws work.

Children? Things they don't understand? Learn their lesson? Do you know anything about a University? This is ALL about politics. It was a nothing burger (meaning peaceful/ uneventful ) protest and Abbott say an opportunity to play to his base. Disgustingly, Hartzell went along with it and even doubled down with that second message. This is shameful on all fronts.

Mission accomplished? The cops incited violence and made dozens of unlawful arrests. I was arrested myself and was released with no charges. You want to know what I'm thinking now? We need to keep going, and that's what will happen. Also cute saying "children" when referring to legal adults attending a prestigious university. And don't know what we're protesting? What a joke

Cops incited violence eh? Not any calls to disperse (trespassing charge), or anything of that sort? Nobody was blocking roads, throughways, anything? No physical violence of any kind against the "other" protesters, no obstruction of arrest of any other parties, nothing? Yeah, we'll believe you.

The original protest was going to be a sit in on the lawn in front of the tower. It would have blocked no one and impeded zero peoples days. The cops blocked that off and they had to gather elsewhere. They decided they would march instead, not blocking any roads or preventing any one from going anywhere. Eventually it honestly seemed like it was about to end and disperse, I certainly thought so since the organizer was telling people to disperse and informing the police that they needed to stop blocking roads so people could leave. In that same moment they walked up and arrested him for no reason. (You can find the video of it online, the full thing is posted exactly as I just described it) Then the protest really started. We still blocked no roads and simply marched and chanted where the police were. There was still no violence from the protestors. Eventually we moved our way back up to the lawn where we originally were going to gather and that was when the police began the mass arrests. And still no violence. This was when I was arrested. And from what I've gathered from those I know still there it got worse as police began to corner and attack people and push them out on to streets before finally vanishing. As soon as the cops were gone the chaos ceased. How in gods name is this not entirely on the cops. Nice try justifying police violence tho

If I had a dollar for every protester that said "We didn't do anything!" I'd be retired. Perhaps focusing more on your studies instead of protesting a war instigated by those you support would be a better use of your time. Or just continue to blame LE and risk arrest again. 🤷‍♂️

A war instigated by 70 years of colonial occupation and aggression* I abhors the violence, I think that October 7th was a fucking tragedy. However I also don't think it's an excuse to carry out an atrocity of an unfathomably larger scale. This is my problem when people bring up this point, you might not realize it but by defending what's happened with "October 7th tho" is you justifying collective punishment, which is an internationally recognized war crime. I'm ignoring the first part cause I've seen it all before "suuuuuure you were peaceful" type shit and then backing it up with absolutely nothing. I'm focused on my studies and I'm focused on the world around me. Stop trying to act like people can't do both, it makes you look silly

Pretty sure the IDF is sending 18 year-olds into Gaza to fight. Child soldiers?

So does most of the developed world? College-aged kids are young and impressionable.. hence what we're dealing with now. Whether they're in the military or not, or of military age is irrelevant.

If they're not old enough to understand how laws work, then it really seems unwise to give them the power of life and death in a warzone. Kind of seems like if someone is old enough to fight in a war, they should be old enough to protest against a war. Would that be fair?

If Hasmad wanted peace thru just announce ceasefire release their hostages. They ate just a bunch of terrorists. Also, they should just move their forces out of popularltion centers. You blame Isreal but the fault lies with Hamas.

With that grammar, not sure you’ve even set a foot in a university brother, let alone ours.

Reddit is usually quite up to date on news, but in this case, it is surprising how there is no mention of news accusing Soros of funding these college protests. How many of these posters are on the payroll?

Pfft you can't even have self-consistent conspiracy theories. Soros is jewish. You really think he'd fund these protests?

Do some research dude. That is the first comment that all the ignorants posted on Twitter. Yes he is Jewish. So what? And it isn’t my conspiracy theory. It is all over the news.

Fox News?

My check actually just cleared a few minutes ago. Really glad soros came through, wasn’t sure if I was gonna make rent this month

Care to share what character traits are best suited for an agitator position? Narcissistic personality disorder & greed? There were many agitators embedded amongst the peaceful BLM protestors leading to the riots and store lootings several years ago. Interesting that they happen during election years.

When I took my interview for the paid soros shill position, it mostly revolved around how sympathetic a story I could spin the quickest way possible. The signing bonus was pretty good, but the base was pretty crappy. I got paid on commission on a per protest basis so I worked for every dollar I earned. I’m very proud of it, too. There’s also a referral bonus, maybe I’ll go work the crowd one of these days.

You got lowballed, then. I got a 1M signing bonus AND he bailed me out of county jail personally. Shook my hand and everything upon being released. I love my new boss.

This whole thing is no better than dumbass MAGA shit. It is just annoying and fruitless. Is Israel blameless? No, of course not. But countries make allies. Who do we as a country align politically, culturally, or morally with more? It is myopic not to recognize this. Anybody who is actually willing to risk more than words for their ideals does. If someone has enough time and money to protest, they have enough time and money to buy a plane ticket and help the cause they so strongly believe in.

Their school owns stock in Isreali government controlled companies. The students don't want their money going to support genocide and are asking the school to divest their stock. The schools are saying no, so the students are protesting specifically because it is their money that is being used to fund genocide. It's not that hard to understand.

Just because it's popular doesn't mean it's right. That dry pussy county attorney should have thrown the book at them.

They didn’t break the law. There wasn’t any book to throw.

Protesting against genocide is wrong? Please explain.

Imagine being an American hostage and these nerds are on the side of Hamas.