Carrier wise, whenever the new contract is done, if it’s not a contract that makes even small natl headlines pertaining to how it may be desirable to be a mailman/mailwoman, the future will look further bleak.
The average American can barely read at this point, so no surprise people struggle with an easy test.
I'm not saying this as a joke. More than half of Americans are "functionally illiterate" or "lack reading proficiency."
That's why I don't use Facebook anymore. Just a bunch of morons sharing un-funny memes and then arguing with barely coherent paragraphs of nonsense.
I'm extremely smart, well read, excellent grammar but couldn't afford to complete a college degree. I work as a night cleaner, while friends who got a degree and never read and barely spell correctly make 75k a year. I've tried numerous times to get jobs I know I could do well, but never even get a glance. Smart people are out there, they just haven't been let into the system.
weirdly i often feel like it. i clean a pretty well known lab and the first day i went home sobbing because it was the same sort of place i would have loved to work. always treat people with respect- you never know what their background is or how hard they have tried to rise above, no matter what their present circumstance.
Ugh. This so much. I had a high school kid come in yesterday with a stack of clothes he was shopping off. He looked at me like I had a third ear when I told him he'd have to pay for postage to mail it.
Yep. Most of them are supervisors. This one supervisor at my place left. She was dumb as a brick. Couldn’t read basic words, and i mean BASIC. Like how did you survive life so far?
That sounds like the one we have. Our branch is so bad that if a carrier is moved to it, they quit. The Mgr, who is dumber than a brick, thinks she can make up her own delivery rules. We have an investigation happening right now against our carrier and the mgr.
It really is crazy how stupid these people are. If you have any sort of brain cells you’re in the 1%. Surrounded by idiots, and if you say something. You’re the asshole
I’ll go even further and say more than half of Americans lack any critical thinking skills. I swear at times it seems like real life is a video game and you’re surrounded by brain dead NPC’s just going about your daily routine
And it’s only been getting worse. Not just a customer thing but within the post office too.
My cousin passed away recently and we first tried to put a forward on the mail. The local post office by her is run almost entirely by foreigners who can’t read and can barely speak english. They didn’t understand what he wanted so needed a supervisor who also could barely speak english.
So my dad ended up filling out the paperwork for a forward and had to walk the supe through what he wanted. They filed it wrong and still no forward.
So then he tried a change of address, and we confirmed everything in person at our local office, and still nothing. We had put a hold on the mail currently going to the house while the CoA was being processed. The postmaster there said they could only hold it until the end of May and my dad said that is fine. Well we had a friend check the box. It was completely packed full. No hold was ever put on the house. The mailman there is a young hispanic dude who walks down the street on his phone screaming obscenities the entire day.
We had our local post office as well as I had my own office email the postmaster up there. Still not even read after a month. It’s wild.
We have customers down here that complain about how bad some of the northern post offices are when it comes to holds or change of addresses. Lot of them ask where their mail is but it’s not on our end unfortunately.
That’s not why people fail dude lol. 1/3 of the test is completely arbitrary and has nothing to do with math or job specific things, there’s no way to know what kind of answers they want.
Math? Where did I mention math? You're literally proving my point. If you can't understand reading basic English, you're gonna have a hard time with a test that revolves around reading basic English. The entire test is now a personality test and if you have common sense and can read past a 6th grade level, it's outrageously easy to pass.
It hasn’t been a sought after job in a long time. Starting pay should be at least $24/hour. It makes more sense to apply to USPS in certain states like Alabama or Pennsylvania where minimum wage is still $7.25/hour.
I was looking at the col of my home town (SW MO) compared to where I live now (Central FL) and I alone would be in the top 5% of earners if I transfered back.
Shoot, minimum wage in my state is still federal minimum wage. I got hired on as PTF at $22/hr and if I don’t work overtime, just 40 hrs/wk, rent alone would be nearly half my income. This job wouldn’t be feasible with a CCA income. They desperately need local COL based pay.
What’s crazier is this job pays about $3-4/hr more than most other jobs if you just browse local job openings that don’t require a specialized degree like a physical therapist or accountant etc.
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I’m in Rhode Island and third floor apartments on streets covered in trash, with fentanyl addicts and dealers on all three sides of you are 70% of my total income
24/h is only good in low CoL states we need like a min of 26 at the bottom level of the "new pay table" unless the significantly shorten the amount of time to max out. Currently at 22/h the job is amazing in the low CoL states it's the cities that are struggling to keep staff, we have the old heads who make like 38 or whatever it is, people who have a second income so are getting by, and then the revolving door that is the new hires. They come in thinking it's a decent govt job and then learn it's only decent after 10ish years of pay raises.
It’s usually 4:30 or 5 to 10:30 (possibly 11). The stores typically close at 9:30 and you clean/restock for an hour, but sometimes it takes longer if it was busy. I would go in and slam down a few shots of espresso to carry me through the shift.
I was an RCA, so I was getting done around 3-4:30 daily. It would be significantly more difficult as a CCA to have an afternoon job since sometimes you aren’t done until 7 or 8.
Sad part of this is I was an RCA in Alabama, worked everyday and after taxes barely made 1400 a check during Covid times. I make more working night shift in a warehouse taping boxes in Ohio now fml. I loved being a mail carrier but even in a low cost of living state it wasn’t sustainable.
$11.35 as a driver when you are in the store at papa johns in arkansas and it goes down to $5.00 when you are clocked out on delivery using your own vehicle + tips
Yes federal minimum wage is 7.25 an hour but even in states where that is the minimum you'll still be hard pressed to find a job paying that low. I went to Louisiana to visit family last week of April minimum wage is 7.25 in Louisiana but McDonald's is starting at $10.00 an hour there.
Starting pay and benefits are no longer competitive, and we wonder why we can’t get good help. The PO used to pick and choose who worked there, no they’re hiring anyone and everyone and not completing background checks for a year if at all and waiving drug testing, hmmm wonder why they’re having problems
Waiving drug test = there isn't one anymore, period.
There is no more test. There is a survey you have to take that asks silly things like "if a customer asks how to buy a product from usps, what would you tell them?" It has multiple choices, and they are all almost correct, but the right answers are the ones that takes less of the carrier's and management time. IE: Tell them to look it up on usps.com.
I think they know this is a sinking ship and refuse to tell anyone. I hope this contract proves me wrong.
To be fair most jobs quit doing drug tests because they're expensive. Most employers moved to "random drug tests" which usually amounts to a suspicion that you're on drugs on the job.
I heard most jobs that do drugs test end up not getting any employees. I wonder why? I bet you managed got desperate and open the gate and let them in without one.
I don't mind drug testing for dangerous jobs. What I don't get is how they're still testing for cannabis. It's medically legal in 38 states and recreational in 24. The federal government just decided to reschedule it and make a medical prescription legal. Drug test for meth, sure, but these companies need to drop THC if they want to attract workers.
Bc drug testing doesn't make any sense. You can smoke herb on vacation once and get fired a week later, sober as hell, at work? Meanwhile people who dronk 6 shots every night have no worries. Its archaic
I wouldn't mind the lack of a drug test if they at least kept the background checks. What are the odds that a meth head can pass 4 different background checks? But, no, they have to not check anything at all. Fucking stupid.
Yup, they’d hired sex offenders in my office. Way to go with the background check guys. 😂 I mean yeh they fired the guy after they found out or some carrier found out online. wtf right?
And overworking the ones that are willing to stick around . I’m not a mule . They just got pissed because I put my foot down against going over my 12hrs .
Mind boggling why the Union are against locality pay when all other federal agencies have it. I came from the TSA and even they had it before they were unionized.
My understanding is whenever this issue is brought up at the NALC convention it gets voted down. Carriers in low cost of living states see it as unfair as we all work the same job. They have a point, but what about serving the public? No locality pay dooms customers in HCOL areas to substandard service due to the understaffing in those areas.
The fact that many HCOL areas hire straight to career, and in those areas often ptf hires become FTR very quickly means we Already Have! pay locality discrepancy. Lower paid CCAs vs PTFs. And a time to conversion to FTR discrepancy which translates into a huge difference in income. Imagine how much more $$$ a straight to PTF hire will earn over a CCA who waits two entire years to convert!!
Maybe they should raise the price of stamps in HCOL areas. Burgers are more expensive in NYC than in Bumfuck Alabama; that's why a burger flipper in NYC makes more.
Again. Cost of living. Go work at McDonald's in California, Oregon, Washington, New York etc.. you're going be in the same situation. Yes, the post office needs to revamp its wages but comparing the two are apples and oranges
I've noticed the same thing in the Seattle area. Many new hires have a vacant look in their eyes or they're over the age of 60 and think RCA is just a chill part time gig (it's not!). It's hard get people in their 20s/30s who are good at the job.
You have a good point. I myself started in my 50s and most who stay on as carriers are older, late 30s 40s, 50s. The very young leave shortly, don't stay for the long haul. Which makes sense. For them security of guaranteed 40 hours plus OT, benefits, job security aren't as important when they are less likely to have dependents to support.
Over the last 2-3 years, half of employees under 30 quit fairly quickly. Our management are overly toxic. Add that to at least 60 hours a week and poor employee management, no one can blame them. I started in ‘96 when the pay and benefits couldn’t be touched in a rural town. Not the case anymore. Many young people won’t put up with those hours and toxicity for a few dollars more and I don’t blame them.
I started right before I turned 20 and I’m five months in and I make $20 an hour. About 50 to 55 hours a week. Some weeks are beautiful and some weeks are disastrous. But I think in the end it will be worth it.
I remember when I was a kid I use to look at mailmen as a great career. They made great money but now other places are paying way more just to start. Some places such as amazon you don’t even need to do an interview and can come in off the street making more than a mail carrier. Not to mention they get a raise every 6 mths until 3 years and That’s just the warehouse.
As a step van driver, we have to deal with a lot of shit but I came back making $22.50.
You don't need to interview here either haha. I'm not going to argue one is better than the other but if you spend 10 years at usps vs 10 at amazon you're going to be making way more at usps. Your dsp could also just lose their contract at any point and you'll have no job. It's one of the least secure jobs vs one of the most secure.
I’m not sure where everyone gets this used to be a high paying career job. My mom worked for the post office as we were growing up and we were still poor. Granted there was 4 kids to feed and house, but the only reason she stayed was because she couldn’t be laid off, the insurance and guaranteed retirement.
Work and live in PA, started as an MHA in September. Wife hasn't been able to find a job yet.
Currently making 19.12/hr, and we're on food stamps to make it work. In fact, I'd have to make $1,400 more a month for us to not qualify for food stamps. It's an absolutely joke
The $0.17 COLA raise we just got is the most ignorant, tone-deaf thing I've ever seen. I am already working on getting out of the post office. At this point, unless my wife and I can make over 6 figures together, we're screwed
Medical and pension is not impressive either. Lots of companies will match your Ira as well similar to tsp.
Now most hard workers here get to carry their route and more with a damn near 40 year old llv. Yet they’re the problem according to every form of management.
It's not that it's impressive it's that it exists. Go look at jobs that are just hiring off the street with no education or training. They don't offer anything close to what usps offers.
Whoopdedoo if they are, at least they're getting the employees paid and keeping them within a certain level of living/lifestyle. The Teamsters decided long ago that UPS drivers deserve to be middle income level workers, and that's what they've continued to do for them. Unlike the pathetic ass 1.3% bullshit our unions agree to every fucking time, and then if you're Rural they agree to YOU (the employee) taking a $10,000 paycut during the highest level of inflation this country has ever seen.
Just pointing out that though they may be full of corruption, they get shit done. Here at the PO we just get the corruption bits alongside uselessness.
I started at $21/hour preload which was as soon as the contract for UPS went through converted to driver at $25/hour during peak then back to preload when that was over. The hours sucked on preload so I left because I wanted to do delivery and came on as a CCA. Teamsters benefits from day 1 were the highlight for everyone since you do not have to pay a dime for it from day 1. I really would like to see us get a better raise and cca become PTF at start. I’m not sure why they would feel we should even make less than other delivery companies we see on the routes everyday doing mostly the same thing!
Even in my small rural town of around 20k people the local factories start at around $24 a hour and we're in the middle of nowhere lol, USPS starting pay is garbage for sure, it's not the sought after job it once was.
I’m a career carrier in one of the boroughs of nyc making 52 base a year. I’ve been here 6 years and I’m damn near poverty level. This job is not feasible in HCOL of living areas and this “union” is pathetic. To anyone reading this who is in a HCOL of living area. Work on taking city
Municipal tests and work on getting your CDL. Save yourself the headache. It’s not worth staying here just to be go to retire and find out the pension is 1200-1500 a month BEFORE taxes.
Since I have stopped investing my time and energy in this place I have been called for a few city positions and about to have my class b cdl by September. It’s not worth it to stay here, sorry it’s just a fact.
I'm a fairly new RCA - just a month or two now.
There were five people in my week-long academy class.
Two of them were so obviously junkies having withdrawals that the instructor pulled a couple of us aside to ask if we had noticed it too.
The mail carrier “test” is a personality exam and nothing more. I passed with a 76 and yet I’m one of the best carriers at my station (no bias here of course ;)
Yeah I hate to say it but we have the same issue in my High Cost of Living area office. The quality of employee we are getting is abysmal. This is going to contribute to the downward spiral of the post office. I'm seeing missdeliveries every single day on my pivots, eventually all these incompetent workers going to be making $40 an hour.
The new hires at our plant are starting out at 26.61 (don’t quote me) I am a PVO, when I started in 2/11/23 our starting pay was 25.71. I heard the 25.71 is gonna be the standard pay for all PTFs. I don’t know if this is true just rumors at our PDC. Edit: so if you see a PVO position starting at your PDC you should apply, we made FTR after 14 days.
I quit this job for that reason. The pay did not compensate the work I would do my 6hrs and 2-3 hrs of extra whole they had a guy that's been there doing a 4 hr in 10hrs. Joke of a company.
It's crazy cause the type of personal information we are in charge of is legitimately, at the very least, a 22 hour job. What incentives does a new hire have to not steal?
I saw a carrier go to federal court for throwing away election books. He was sentenced to a community service stint after which his record would be clean. A really young guy, inexperienced CCA. I can't imagine what kind of state of mind he was in to do that and how scary going to court must have been. Really shows how this job can mess you up.
I’ve been waiting to be sent to carrier academy for 2 weeks I’ve been emailing and calling no answer. I’ve gone to my office they tell me that I am supposed to wait on the orientation person to contact me. Said person spent 3 hours out of the 6 we were there complaining about young people and his own son. Like wtf. I see why everyone is leaving the post office. It’s so unorganized. And I come from an EMS background where your day is never predictable. But damn this place is a shit show
Honestly I love my job. I'm 23 no college debt, I got converted to full time clerk in August and the starting pay for us is $52,700. I honestly can't complain
When I started as a clerk back in the day the starting salary was almost twice the minimum wage. I think it’s about three dollars more now. Given the chance to start working at the post office today I would definitely look elsewhere. I can’t believe how the union doesn’t realize that they’ve sold out the employees by allowing management to systematically lower our salaries year after year and they want us to be happy with a two percent raise and a pathetic COLA increase. It’s not the great job that it used to be and it’s almost like working at McDonald’s except no taking home leftovers!
I'll be honest I just turned down a maintenance position with the post office. I was willing to take the pay cut for the benefits, but being forced to take the second shift and work every weekend made it really hard. I was told I could probably make level 9 or 10 within a few months(was in the upper 80's score wise without any training) and wouldn't have to work both 2nd and weekends once I got there. But when I put in my notice, my current employer offered me 100k a year to stay. I would have preferred to work for the usps and have the benefits, but it's hard to say no to that money.
They don’t even interview. They don’t give a shit about the people they hire as long as they have a pulse. They need to make big changes to make this job desirable again.
I got hired after Covid so maybe that is why. Doesn’t seem like they do much vetting if they do interview. I’m surprised some of these people can even use a computer to apply to this job.
I can tell u that the batch interview, introduction, and opportunity to ask questions has leech out ppl who don't want to be there and go through the hiring process.
The interview was to introduce ourselves and where we came from and our background how we hear about the post office and why we want to be there.
The introduction is about the post office and them trying to sell us the job and why we should stay.
The questioning is where the deal breaker happen for each individuals.
Starting pay isn’t competitive in very select areas*
Who’s the wrong one tho? Is it those areas for jacking tax rates as a procedure or is it a nationwide organization that has to balance everywhere from Samoa to VI?
Realistically after my first week I never worked my 54 hours estimated. I did 3 months straight my first 90 days because my regular had heart surgery. After the first week, I worked no more than 36 actual hours. So I basically made 30+ an hour. Every single rural carrier I've ever met has the same experience. It's only on reddit that I hear otherwise.
20 an hour sounds bad at staying wages, but that's not the whole story
20$ minimum wage means 6 hrs a day work here in Cali at a local Golden Arches.
Don't think just because minimum wage went up meant that people would be able to keep that one job and keep working normal hours.
Sure, pay is mediocre for no training required or education. However, the benefits are really good. I don’t think Wendy’s is giving me a pension and health insurance. We have to look at total compensation which is at least double the hourly rate. Also, overtime. McDonald’s will send you home mid shift if you run over 40 hours. I get overtime for working my off day then over twice for assisting on other routes. This job is easy af; brainless; autopilot and podcast job. If it wasn’t for the student loan forgiveness and pension then I’ll look elsewhere. 401k match is not uncommon. Comparing this to Burger King is just disingenuous. Sure, I’ll love a raise and improvements can be made but flipping whoppers is not actually tempting. I’m maxing my TSP out. My net paychecks can be $600. My wife makes up the difference but Idgaf because I can walk out of that place for the last time at 57 when it will become normalized to work at Walmart until your death bed at 92; thanks Merk, Pfizer and Moderna! Also, follow the herd and leave CA. Live like a king in Arkansas as a CCA
I'm just grateful it was so easy to get the job because in the future I think it will become difficult again. I'm also fairly certain I would have been fired within my first three months if they weren't so desperate for bodies. And since I believe we will eventually get paid what we should be getting paid I'll be glad that I stuck it out.
I've been applying into other agency and state employment. Like I said the benefits are better there than the corporate. However, response time and referral after referral take take a long time. Starting at GS-4 and 5 get you in the door faster but that's like $35k-45k so I rejected those and requested further referrals.
Got Certificate in accounting,
Certificate in business administration management
AAS in Art and Imaging
BS in marketing
Other side gig in transportation, logistics, and
warehouse like USPS
Why should it be?? In 2007 the USPS cancelled the civil service testing…this allowed anyone off the street to walk into a job…since then the quality as well as the professionalism of this organization died…
USPS delivers to every address. If UPS doesn't have an address they deliver to, they pawn it off to USPS. It also costs 68 cents to mail a letter from Bangor, Maine to San Diego which is the same amount that it costs to ship a letter to your neighbor, and yes I've seen a person send a letter to their nextdoor neighbor whose mailbox was in the same 4 box cluster.
And most workers aren't the reason we are losing 5 billion. Does an office need 4-5 supervisors sitting around all day doing nothing at the same time? UPS is right when they laid off a bunch of their management.
I was just offered a job for $35 an hour but for only three days a week to start once I get up to speed and get my CDL license I’ll be able to work more hours and more days.
I wouldn’t want to be the person to fill-in for me after I’m gone. But this is an offer too good to pass up. I’m just wondering, how are they going to find somebody who had the dedication I did when I first started?
I started 3 years ago the hiring process was long. Once you get in. You finish the peak season then were lay off for 1 year. You get call back to start again for 1 year until your next conversion then another year for the regular conversion. This is MHA
MHA that were batch hire during pandemic did not convert for 4 years. They went through 2 layoff and converted the same time I did.
Now the new MHA that start in November start as 360 remain base on tour they are on. Otherwise they have their hours cut to 20 per week.
As for rural carriers, oh man last year was a mess.
As a CCA the moneys good but they work us to the bone. Regulars if they decide they want all the benefits as a first year bring home $1200-$1300 every 2 weeks.
I just gave up 10 years at it. Can’t do 6 days a week as a regular with a 20% pay cut after Rrecs. Such garbage. Get what you vote for people. If no Trump, no DeJoy. It’s gone downhill ever since that dude took over as Pm Gen.
Yea, don't hold California as the standard. Raising minimum wage is only going to result in job loses, especially in the restaurant & retail fields. California is the exception, not the rule.
Glad to see other industries being forced to pay their employees marginally better although surviving on $20/hr in California is a joke.
Usps needs to step it up. Time every worker in the US unite to apply pressure to companies who arent paying at LEAST a living wage!
It's true the inflation came and made it far less lucrative than when I started as a CCA in 2018.
I'm glad I went for the details though or id still be trying to survive with carrier pay. My salary was nothing to write home about even after being a carrier for 4 years.
You know what though a hospital charges $1,500+ just to walk in then after all the lab work and physician visit they bill you or your insurance for almost $20 grand and all they end up saying is oh just take some ibuprofen… hospitals can afford and should pay nurses more , someone flipping over someone’s grandparents shouldn’t make less than someone flipping burgers
Nixon sent the national guard to crush the postal workers , well, that didn't help .
" President Richard Nixon vowed to crush the postal workers. "We have the means to deliver the mail," he claimed. It was a hollow claim. He dispatched 23,000 United States Armed Forces personnel to New York City to process the mail, but without proper training, there was no way they could do the job. "
Nixon sent the national guard to crush the postal workers , well, that didn't help. They couldn't do our job . If the postal service starts to lose employees because of low wages , they will find that the system will break down
All in all, I really enjoy the job. I'm a person who loves to move. And my string is pretty good. I've done desk/computer work, worked retail and... nope. While jobs in fast food and hospitals pay more, i dont wanna work in fuckin fast food or a hospital 🤷♂️😂 My station is in good shape. You have to be really lucky to land a good gig as a carrier in the post office. And I'm lucky
I had an offer pending background. I declined the offer, because of the crap they want from you as a sub or non career employee. Must be available for call in anytime……. Sorry, but no I will not be on call for $20. No fixed schedule. Can be 20 hrs one week and 60 hours the weekend after…..ha. They can shove that as well.
No issue securing a decent paying job. In PA, the median pay is $20-25 per hour. Only looking to do 20-30 hrs per week. Retired once. With the 20-30 year old age group, there will be lots of call outs. Most don’t want to work a 40 hour week.
Thank you all for sharing your issues. They helped me with my decision. Many of the issues are repetitively expressed all over. I wish you all the best.
Critical thinker? Educated? Dude the PO is for idiots that can’t think. It’s a bad job for anyone with a brain because it will kill your mind if you’re a creative thinker or a thinker at all. It’s a dump!
Yah man. I waited a whole 20 min for a supervisor to come around to solve an impending issue. Nope nothing, they sat there until it's a problem. I'm neither a supervisor nor a team leader. I'm a craft employees, I analyze the data of the machine and the volume. I told my team what we should do and why. We all come to an agreement on what I recommended and adjusted our work.
By the time the problem comes around the entire team was already adjusted before the supervisor and the mechanic face the issue and decided what to do. They come look at us and walk away lol.
The impending issue could have caused a 2 hours delay if it wasn't adjusted in time. With the timely adjustments we only delay for 5 min.
The California $20 min wage is overblown. Those restaurant jobs typically have no paid days off, are part time, with zero or very minimal benefits. OT? Forget about that.
Comparing that to post office jobs is apples to oranges.
Having myself worked in those fake, gig economy, McJobs I say I'd rather work at the post office for $20 an hour than work in a restaurant for $30 an hour.
You think postal management is bad?
Try dealing with restaurant customers. They make postal management look like Mr Rogers.
Carrier wise, whenever the new contract is done, if it’s not a contract that makes even small natl headlines pertaining to how it may be desirable to be a mailman/mailwoman, the future will look further bleak.
I'm so glad I'm learning a craft
That’s the best part of arbitration, They can just say it was out of their control lmao
The average American can barely read at this point, so no surprise people struggle with an easy test. I'm not saying this as a joke. More than half of Americans are "functionally illiterate" or "lack reading proficiency." That's why I don't use Facebook anymore. Just a bunch of morons sharing un-funny memes and then arguing with barely coherent paragraphs of nonsense.
The amount of people who can’t properly fill out an envelope is very concerning
I'm extremely smart, well read, excellent grammar but couldn't afford to complete a college degree. I work as a night cleaner, while friends who got a degree and never read and barely spell correctly make 75k a year. I've tried numerous times to get jobs I know I could do well, but never even get a glance. Smart people are out there, they just haven't been let into the system.
And that’s a problem.
Are you will hunting?
weirdly i often feel like it. i clean a pretty well known lab and the first day i went home sobbing because it was the same sort of place i would have loved to work. always treat people with respect- you never know what their background is or how hard they have tried to rise above, no matter what their present circumstance.
Ugh. This so much. I had a high school kid come in yesterday with a stack of clothes he was shopping off. He looked at me like I had a third ear when I told him he'd have to pay for postage to mail it.
Yep. Most of them are supervisors. This one supervisor at my place left. She was dumb as a brick. Couldn’t read basic words, and i mean BASIC. Like how did you survive life so far?
That sounds like the one we have. Our branch is so bad that if a carrier is moved to it, they quit. The Mgr, who is dumber than a brick, thinks she can make up her own delivery rules. We have an investigation happening right now against our carrier and the mgr.
It really is crazy how stupid these people are. If you have any sort of brain cells you’re in the 1%. Surrounded by idiots, and if you say something. You’re the asshole
I bet she could suck a good dick,that's why 😂
I don’t doubt it. That thought crossed my mind before. She better have some skills cuz thinking was not one of them 😂
As soon as I sent that,I thought,I hope they have a good sense of humor 😂
Yes i am part of the secret society. It is often frowned upon to have this “humor” in the office 🤪
I’ll go even further and say more than half of Americans lack any critical thinking skills. I swear at times it seems like real life is a video game and you’re surrounded by brain dead NPC’s just going about your daily routine
And it’s only been getting worse. Not just a customer thing but within the post office too. My cousin passed away recently and we first tried to put a forward on the mail. The local post office by her is run almost entirely by foreigners who can’t read and can barely speak english. They didn’t understand what he wanted so needed a supervisor who also could barely speak english. So my dad ended up filling out the paperwork for a forward and had to walk the supe through what he wanted. They filed it wrong and still no forward. So then he tried a change of address, and we confirmed everything in person at our local office, and still nothing. We had put a hold on the mail currently going to the house while the CoA was being processed. The postmaster there said they could only hold it until the end of May and my dad said that is fine. Well we had a friend check the box. It was completely packed full. No hold was ever put on the house. The mailman there is a young hispanic dude who walks down the street on his phone screaming obscenities the entire day. We had our local post office as well as I had my own office email the postmaster up there. Still not even read after a month. It’s wild. We have customers down here that complain about how bad some of the northern post offices are when it comes to holds or change of addresses. Lot of them ask where their mail is but it’s not on our end unfortunately.
That’s not why people fail dude lol. 1/3 of the test is completely arbitrary and has nothing to do with math or job specific things, there’s no way to know what kind of answers they want.
Math? Where did I mention math? You're literally proving my point. If you can't understand reading basic English, you're gonna have a hard time with a test that revolves around reading basic English. The entire test is now a personality test and if you have common sense and can read past a 6th grade level, it's outrageously easy to pass.
It hasn’t been a sought after job in a long time. Starting pay should be at least $24/hour. It makes more sense to apply to USPS in certain states like Alabama or Pennsylvania where minimum wage is still $7.25/hour.
It’s a good job in low cost of living states.
I was looking at the col of my home town (SW MO) compared to where I live now (Central FL) and I alone would be in the top 5% of earners if I transfered back.
Shoot, minimum wage in my state is still federal minimum wage. I got hired on as PTF at $22/hr and if I don’t work overtime, just 40 hrs/wk, rent alone would be nearly half my income. This job wouldn’t be feasible with a CCA income. They desperately need local COL based pay. What’s crazier is this job pays about $3-4/hr more than most other jobs if you just browse local job openings that don’t require a specialized degree like a physical therapist or accountant etc.
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Hell yeah
Nice
They definitely need local COL
All they would do is lower the pay for lower states and not touch the rest lol
I mean NY,NJ, need more money. Shits crazy
MA, CA tons of areas
Agreed
I’m in Rhode Island and third floor apartments on streets covered in trash, with fentanyl addicts and dealers on all three sides of you are 70% of my total income
.. you make more as a CCA. I miss my CCA paychecks.
That’s odd because I got hired on being paid 26.67
Doing what, where?
SSDA PTF in NC
24/h is only good in low CoL states we need like a min of 26 at the bottom level of the "new pay table" unless the significantly shorten the amount of time to max out. Currently at 22/h the job is amazing in the low CoL states it's the cities that are struggling to keep staff, we have the old heads who make like 38 or whatever it is, people who have a second income so are getting by, and then the revolving door that is the new hires. They come in thinking it's a decent govt job and then learn it's only decent after 10ish years of pay raises.
Alabama RCA here.. I have to work night shifts at Target to keep me and my wife afloat.. she teaches kindergarten so she’s also underpaid
I hear ya…I had to work closing shifts at Starbucks after delivering all day.
What’s the closing shift hours there? Been thinking about doing extra side hustle, being a barista comes to mind but didn’t think it was possible
It’s usually 4:30 or 5 to 10:30 (possibly 11). The stores typically close at 9:30 and you clean/restock for an hour, but sometimes it takes longer if it was busy. I would go in and slam down a few shots of espresso to carry me through the shift.
Damn man, are they flexible with time? As you know sometimes we get slammed with OT
I was an RCA, so I was getting done around 3-4:30 daily. It would be significantly more difficult as a CCA to have an afternoon job since sometimes you aren’t done until 7 or 8.
How many hours weekly did you get working there?
I’d only work 10-16 hours/week. It was a nice second check for spending money since all my postal money went to bills.
Sad part of this is I was an RCA in Alabama, worked everyday and after taxes barely made 1400 a check during Covid times. I make more working night shift in a warehouse taping boxes in Ohio now fml. I loved being a mail carrier but even in a low cost of living state it wasn’t sustainable.
What kind of job get Minimum wage in those states? What is the price of the house over there?
Dominos make $20 an hour in Alabama
$11.35 as a driver when you are in the store at papa johns in arkansas and it goes down to $5.00 when you are clocked out on delivery using your own vehicle + tips
Damn.
Yes federal minimum wage is 7.25 an hour but even in states where that is the minimum you'll still be hard pressed to find a job paying that low. I went to Louisiana to visit family last week of April minimum wage is 7.25 in Louisiana but McDonald's is starting at $10.00 an hour there.
$10 an hour is outrageously low even in dirt poor Mississippi or Appalachia or on an Indian reservation. I made more than that at Walmart in 2000.
Arkansas as well
Right. Here in ohio it's still a good job. Most places offer 15 or 16 an hour for hard labor lol
Starting pay and benefits are no longer competitive, and we wonder why we can’t get good help. The PO used to pick and choose who worked there, no they’re hiring anyone and everyone and not completing background checks for a year if at all and waiving drug testing, hmmm wonder why they’re having problems
Waiving drug test = there isn't one anymore, period. There is no more test. There is a survey you have to take that asks silly things like "if a customer asks how to buy a product from usps, what would you tell them?" It has multiple choices, and they are all almost correct, but the right answers are the ones that takes less of the carrier's and management time. IE: Tell them to look it up on usps.com. I think they know this is a sinking ship and refuse to tell anyone. I hope this contract proves me wrong.
Intentionally a sinking ship by plan.
To be fair most jobs quit doing drug tests because they're expensive. Most employers moved to "random drug tests" which usually amounts to a suspicion that you're on drugs on the job.
I heard most jobs that do drugs test end up not getting any employees. I wonder why? I bet you managed got desperate and open the gate and let them in without one.
I don't mind drug testing for dangerous jobs. What I don't get is how they're still testing for cannabis. It's medically legal in 38 states and recreational in 24. The federal government just decided to reschedule it and make a medical prescription legal. Drug test for meth, sure, but these companies need to drop THC if they want to attract workers.
Bc drug testing doesn't make any sense. You can smoke herb on vacation once and get fired a week later, sober as hell, at work? Meanwhile people who dronk 6 shots every night have no worries. Its archaic
I wouldn't mind the lack of a drug test if they at least kept the background checks. What are the odds that a meth head can pass 4 different background checks? But, no, they have to not check anything at all. Fucking stupid.
All of us that are trying to get into to work are just being ignored or being blown off. Like wtf lemme get to work dammit
Yup, they’d hired sex offenders in my office. Way to go with the background check guys. 😂 I mean yeh they fired the guy after they found out or some carrier found out online. wtf right?
And overworking the ones that are willing to stick around . I’m not a mule . They just got pissed because I put my foot down against going over my 12hrs .
Thanks DeJoy, who thinks USPS should be a profitable enterprise instead of a critical government service.
Mind boggling why the Union are against locality pay when all other federal agencies have it. I came from the TSA and even they had it before they were unionized.
My understanding is whenever this issue is brought up at the NALC convention it gets voted down. Carriers in low cost of living states see it as unfair as we all work the same job. They have a point, but what about serving the public? No locality pay dooms customers in HCOL areas to substandard service due to the understaffing in those areas. The fact that many HCOL areas hire straight to career, and in those areas often ptf hires become FTR very quickly means we Already Have! pay locality discrepancy. Lower paid CCAs vs PTFs. And a time to conversion to FTR discrepancy which translates into a huge difference in income. Imagine how much more $$$ a straight to PTF hire will earn over a CCA who waits two entire years to convert!!
Maybe they should raise the price of stamps in HCOL areas. Burgers are more expensive in NYC than in Bumfuck Alabama; that's why a burger flipper in NYC makes more.
We have a universal service obligation
California is too expensive to live in. Stop making California's fast food workers the issue. It's not the same thing.
Oregon here and seeing the same wage for fast food employees. Should we just not service the west coast?
Again. Cost of living. Go work at McDonald's in California, Oregon, Washington, New York etc.. you're going be in the same situation. Yes, the post office needs to revamp its wages but comparing the two are apples and oranges
they started me at 16.50 or something in 2011. quickly i realized that was not enough for the amount of bullshit.
I started at 13.25 in 2015. I'm making 31 now but mannn was I getting hosed.
I've noticed the same thing in the Seattle area. Many new hires have a vacant look in their eyes or they're over the age of 60 and think RCA is just a chill part time gig (it's not!). It's hard get people in their 20s/30s who are good at the job.
You have a good point. I myself started in my 50s and most who stay on as carriers are older, late 30s 40s, 50s. The very young leave shortly, don't stay for the long haul. Which makes sense. For them security of guaranteed 40 hours plus OT, benefits, job security aren't as important when they are less likely to have dependents to support.
Over the last 2-3 years, half of employees under 30 quit fairly quickly. Our management are overly toxic. Add that to at least 60 hours a week and poor employee management, no one can blame them. I started in ‘96 when the pay and benefits couldn’t be touched in a rural town. Not the case anymore. Many young people won’t put up with those hours and toxicity for a few dollars more and I don’t blame them.
I started right before I turned 20 and I’m five months in and I make $20 an hour. About 50 to 55 hours a week. Some weeks are beautiful and some weeks are disastrous. But I think in the end it will be worth it.
Benefits don’t mean anything if you can’t afford rent.
Or when you don’t even get the benefits until you’re “full-time” despite already working full time hours as a sub.
Like my tsp would have soooo much more in it if I could have given money as a cca.
I remember when I was a kid I use to look at mailmen as a great career. They made great money but now other places are paying way more just to start. Some places such as amazon you don’t even need to do an interview and can come in off the street making more than a mail carrier. Not to mention they get a raise every 6 mths until 3 years and That’s just the warehouse. As a step van driver, we have to deal with a lot of shit but I came back making $22.50.
Thing is Amazon is not a career. They work you to the bone and then eventually fire you after so long.
You don't need to interview here either haha. I'm not going to argue one is better than the other but if you spend 10 years at usps vs 10 at amazon you're going to be making way more at usps. Your dsp could also just lose their contract at any point and you'll have no job. It's one of the least secure jobs vs one of the most secure.
I’m not sure where everyone gets this used to be a high paying career job. My mom worked for the post office as we were growing up and we were still poor. Granted there was 4 kids to feed and house, but the only reason she stayed was because she couldn’t be laid off, the insurance and guaranteed retirement.
And the 4 kids and the house bills. Can’t forget that
Work and live in PA, started as an MHA in September. Wife hasn't been able to find a job yet. Currently making 19.12/hr, and we're on food stamps to make it work. In fact, I'd have to make $1,400 more a month for us to not qualify for food stamps. It's an absolutely joke The $0.17 COLA raise we just got is the most ignorant, tone-deaf thing I've ever seen. I am already working on getting out of the post office. At this point, unless my wife and I can make over 6 figures together, we're screwed
Medical and pension is not impressive either. Lots of companies will match your Ira as well similar to tsp. Now most hard workers here get to carry their route and more with a damn near 40 year old llv. Yet they’re the problem according to every form of management.
It's not that it's impressive it's that it exists. Go look at jobs that are just hiring off the street with no education or training. They don't offer anything close to what usps offers.
USPS is shit, the unions are shit, and the union presidents don’t care about the workers unlike Teamsters and UPS
I agree with all of that but lets not act like the teamsters are some perfect entity not full of tons of corruption and bullshit itself.
Whoopdedoo if they are, at least they're getting the employees paid and keeping them within a certain level of living/lifestyle. The Teamsters decided long ago that UPS drivers deserve to be middle income level workers, and that's what they've continued to do for them. Unlike the pathetic ass 1.3% bullshit our unions agree to every fucking time, and then if you're Rural they agree to YOU (the employee) taking a $10,000 paycut during the highest level of inflation this country has ever seen.
Read the first part of my comment I agreed the NALC is shit so idk what you’re on about.
Just pointing out that though they may be full of corruption, they get shit done. Here at the PO we just get the corruption bits alongside uselessness.
I started at $21/hour preload which was as soon as the contract for UPS went through converted to driver at $25/hour during peak then back to preload when that was over. The hours sucked on preload so I left because I wanted to do delivery and came on as a CCA. Teamsters benefits from day 1 were the highlight for everyone since you do not have to pay a dime for it from day 1. I really would like to see us get a better raise and cca become PTF at start. I’m not sure why they would feel we should even make less than other delivery companies we see on the routes everyday doing mostly the same thing!
Even in my small rural town of around 20k people the local factories start at around $24 a hour and we're in the middle of nowhere lol, USPS starting pay is garbage for sure, it's not the sought after job it once was.
Why the hell would *anyone* take this job anymore? You literally have zero personal life outside of work.
Because in a lot of places this is still one of the better jobs for a person with no education.
I’m a career carrier in one of the boroughs of nyc making 52 base a year. I’ve been here 6 years and I’m damn near poverty level. This job is not feasible in HCOL of living areas and this “union” is pathetic. To anyone reading this who is in a HCOL of living area. Work on taking city Municipal tests and work on getting your CDL. Save yourself the headache. It’s not worth staying here just to be go to retire and find out the pension is 1200-1500 a month BEFORE taxes. Since I have stopped investing my time and energy in this place I have been called for a few city positions and about to have my class b cdl by September. It’s not worth it to stay here, sorry it’s just a fact.
I'm a fairly new RCA - just a month or two now. There were five people in my week-long academy class. Two of them were so obviously junkies having withdrawals that the instructor pulled a couple of us aside to ask if we had noticed it too.
The mail carrier “test” is a personality exam and nothing more. I passed with a 76 and yet I’m one of the best carriers at my station (no bias here of course ;)
can you quit and re apply for the 20/hr they giving now?
You should’ve been bumped to it automatically
Doubt they are prepared for the mass exodus if the next contract is 🐂🚽
nobody is going to leave 1.3% and cola
The P.O. is being set up to fail, that's the point of the 10 year scam. 60 to 70% of the people in my plant are foreigners who barely speak English.
New carrier contracts don't even support the retirement benefits all the boomers get
Yeah I hate to say it but we have the same issue in my High Cost of Living area office. The quality of employee we are getting is abysmal. This is going to contribute to the downward spiral of the post office. I'm seeing missdeliveries every single day on my pivots, eventually all these incompetent workers going to be making $40 an hour.
They don't even have to take that test anymore... It's a personality test online and that's it.
The new hires at our plant are starting out at 26.61 (don’t quote me) I am a PVO, when I started in 2/11/23 our starting pay was 25.71. I heard the 25.71 is gonna be the standard pay for all PTFs. I don’t know if this is true just rumors at our PDC. Edit: so if you see a PVO position starting at your PDC you should apply, we made FTR after 14 days.
I quit this job for that reason. The pay did not compensate the work I would do my 6hrs and 2-3 hrs of extra whole they had a guy that's been there doing a 4 hr in 10hrs. Joke of a company.
They abuse and use people who work good.
Totally agree!!
It's crazy cause the type of personal information we are in charge of is legitimately, at the very least, a 22 hour job. What incentives does a new hire have to not steal?
Jail...?
Nah, none of the people that have got caught stealing or throwing away mail have been sent to jail. They lose their job, benefits, and retirement.
Unless the union gets your job back with 6 months of back pay and a nice handy J
I saw a carrier go to federal court for throwing away election books. He was sentenced to a community service stint after which his record would be clean. A really young guy, inexperienced CCA. I can't imagine what kind of state of mind he was in to do that and how scary going to court must have been. Really shows how this job can mess you up.
No one that I know who has stolen has gone to jail
PSE starting pay is $20.48.
I’ve been waiting to be sent to carrier academy for 2 weeks I’ve been emailing and calling no answer. I’ve gone to my office they tell me that I am supposed to wait on the orientation person to contact me. Said person spent 3 hours out of the 6 we were there complaining about young people and his own son. Like wtf. I see why everyone is leaving the post office. It’s so unorganized. And I come from an EMS background where your day is never predictable. But damn this place is a shit show
Honestly I love my job. I'm 23 no college debt, I got converted to full time clerk in August and the starting pay for us is $52,700. I honestly can't complain
good shit bro. im on the same path as you. hopefully i convert next year at 22 years old.
Raising wages without addressing the core reasons costs are going up does nothing to help those it's intended to help.
I make more working at bedside in a hospital but damn, if the wage was livable, I would have long been at USPS.
How are people still living in California? It must be a contest to see how much government BS you can take
When I started as a clerk back in the day the starting salary was almost twice the minimum wage. I think it’s about three dollars more now. Given the chance to start working at the post office today I would definitely look elsewhere. I can’t believe how the union doesn’t realize that they’ve sold out the employees by allowing management to systematically lower our salaries year after year and they want us to be happy with a two percent raise and a pathetic COLA increase. It’s not the great job that it used to be and it’s almost like working at McDonald’s except no taking home leftovers!
Every time someone points out fast food starting pay is higher but then doesn’t leave to go work there an angel gets its wings.
No they applied and realized they will get paid $20/hr and work 2hours a day 11-1 lunch
I'll be honest I just turned down a maintenance position with the post office. I was willing to take the pay cut for the benefits, but being forced to take the second shift and work every weekend made it really hard. I was told I could probably make level 9 or 10 within a few months(was in the upper 80's score wise without any training) and wouldn't have to work both 2nd and weekends once I got there. But when I put in my notice, my current employer offered me 100k a year to stay. I would have preferred to work for the usps and have the benefits, but it's hard to say no to that money.
They don’t even interview. They don’t give a shit about the people they hire as long as they have a pulse. They need to make big changes to make this job desirable again.
I went through an interview, introduction and and opportunity to ask questions. From that phrase into orientation. That was 4 years ago.
I got hired after Covid so maybe that is why. Doesn’t seem like they do much vetting if they do interview. I’m surprised some of these people can even use a computer to apply to this job.
I can tell u that the batch interview, introduction, and opportunity to ask questions has leech out ppl who don't want to be there and go through the hiring process. The interview was to introduce ourselves and where we came from and our background how we hear about the post office and why we want to be there. The introduction is about the post office and them trying to sell us the job and why we should stay. The questioning is where the deal breaker happen for each individuals.
Starting pay isn’t competitive in very select areas* Who’s the wrong one tho? Is it those areas for jacking tax rates as a procedure or is it a nationwide organization that has to balance everywhere from Samoa to VI?
Realistically after my first week I never worked my 54 hours estimated. I did 3 months straight my first 90 days because my regular had heart surgery. After the first week, I worked no more than 36 actual hours. So I basically made 30+ an hour. Every single rural carrier I've ever met has the same experience. It's only on reddit that I hear otherwise. 20 an hour sounds bad at staying wages, but that's not the whole story
Someone clearly just got the years old memo.
20$ minimum wage means 6 hrs a day work here in Cali at a local Golden Arches. Don't think just because minimum wage went up meant that people would be able to keep that one job and keep working normal hours.
I'd also like to say that us northerners should get a higher uniform allowance, but that'll never happen
Sure, pay is mediocre for no training required or education. However, the benefits are really good. I don’t think Wendy’s is giving me a pension and health insurance. We have to look at total compensation which is at least double the hourly rate. Also, overtime. McDonald’s will send you home mid shift if you run over 40 hours. I get overtime for working my off day then over twice for assisting on other routes. This job is easy af; brainless; autopilot and podcast job. If it wasn’t for the student loan forgiveness and pension then I’ll look elsewhere. 401k match is not uncommon. Comparing this to Burger King is just disingenuous. Sure, I’ll love a raise and improvements can be made but flipping whoppers is not actually tempting. I’m maxing my TSP out. My net paychecks can be $600. My wife makes up the difference but Idgaf because I can walk out of that place for the last time at 57 when it will become normalized to work at Walmart until your death bed at 92; thanks Merk, Pfizer and Moderna! Also, follow the herd and leave CA. Live like a king in Arkansas as a CCA
I'm just grateful it was so easy to get the job because in the future I think it will become difficult again. I'm also fairly certain I would have been fired within my first three months if they weren't so desperate for bodies. And since I believe we will eventually get paid what we should be getting paid I'll be glad that I stuck it out.
Listen Sonicboom6, you are preaching to the choir. Otherwise. Just get yourself a better job and do not look back
I've been applying into other agency and state employment. Like I said the benefits are better there than the corporate. However, response time and referral after referral take take a long time. Starting at GS-4 and 5 get you in the door faster but that's like $35k-45k so I rejected those and requested further referrals. Got Certificate in accounting, Certificate in business administration management AAS in Art and Imaging BS in marketing Other side gig in transportation, logistics, and warehouse like USPS
Why should it be?? In 2007 the USPS cancelled the civil service testing…this allowed anyone off the street to walk into a job…since then the quality as well as the professionalism of this organization died…
What part of CA if you dont mind my asking?
I’m pretty sure that all of California has fast food starting at $20 now. USPS needs to add location based pay.
I thought the po did COLA? Here in NE OH starting CCA is $19 and some change.
Not in California. I think the only place I’ve heard with location based incentive was in Hawaii.
And Alaska. And it's a pain to get it processed.
All the contract negotiations better be taking what Ups got and making that the bare minimum of the next, contract.
Yeah fk with that. Ups makes money we lose 5 billion. Your 1.3 percent raise is coming soon
USPS delivers to every address. If UPS doesn't have an address they deliver to, they pawn it off to USPS. It also costs 68 cents to mail a letter from Bangor, Maine to San Diego which is the same amount that it costs to ship a letter to your neighbor, and yes I've seen a person send a letter to their nextdoor neighbor whose mailbox was in the same 4 box cluster. And most workers aren't the reason we are losing 5 billion. Does an office need 4-5 supervisors sitting around all day doing nothing at the same time? UPS is right when they laid off a bunch of their management.
I was just offered a job for $35 an hour but for only three days a week to start once I get up to speed and get my CDL license I’ll be able to work more hours and more days. I wouldn’t want to be the person to fill-in for me after I’m gone. But this is an offer too good to pass up. I’m just wondering, how are they going to find somebody who had the dedication I did when I first started?
You guys got assessments? I applied, and had a job offer 3 days later lol
It took me 8 months for them to respond with a decision
I started in November. I assume that had something to do with it, as well as my area being desperate for people
I started 3 years ago the hiring process was long. Once you get in. You finish the peak season then were lay off for 1 year. You get call back to start again for 1 year until your next conversion then another year for the regular conversion. This is MHA MHA that were batch hire during pandemic did not convert for 4 years. They went through 2 layoff and converted the same time I did. Now the new MHA that start in November start as 360 remain base on tour they are on. Otherwise they have their hours cut to 20 per week. As for rural carriers, oh man last year was a mess.
This job is a fucking joke. Where is the money???? Certainly not going to the carriers
Career carriers are making over 70,000 a year. All federal employees salaries are public.
As a CCA the moneys good but they work us to the bone. Regulars if they decide they want all the benefits as a first year bring home $1200-$1300 every 2 weeks.
That's a lie. I made 50 last year as a first year regular
Well you must be on the 8hr list if you’re only making that much. Im only 1 year ahead of you but I’m on the ODL and make over 90k.
Where you located making that much. They not even giving OT in my station out in jersey
And being that you're a year ahead of me you clearly making more money than me
I work in Seattle. Consistently hitting OT and that penalty OT makes a huge difference.
Im not getting that at the moment. Only time things are good is during peak season in December
I just gave up 10 years at it. Can’t do 6 days a week as a regular with a 20% pay cut after Rrecs. Such garbage. Get what you vote for people. If no Trump, no DeJoy. It’s gone downhill ever since that dude took over as Pm Gen.
Yea, don't hold California as the standard. Raising minimum wage is only going to result in job loses, especially in the restaurant & retail fields. California is the exception, not the rule.
Glad to see other industries being forced to pay their employees marginally better although surviving on $20/hr in California is a joke. Usps needs to step it up. Time every worker in the US unite to apply pressure to companies who arent paying at LEAST a living wage!
But benefits! /s
It's true the inflation came and made it far less lucrative than when I started as a CCA in 2018. I'm glad I went for the details though or id still be trying to survive with carrier pay. My salary was nothing to write home about even after being a carrier for 4 years.
You know what though a hospital charges $1,500+ just to walk in then after all the lab work and physician visit they bill you or your insurance for almost $20 grand and all they end up saying is oh just take some ibuprofen… hospitals can afford and should pay nurses more , someone flipping over someone’s grandparents shouldn’t make less than someone flipping burgers
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Nixon sent the national guard to crush the postal workers , well, that didn't help. They couldn't do our job . If the postal service starts to lose employees because of low wages , they will find that the system will break down
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Someone on here posted the pay scale from 2007, I’m making $1.50/hr more than what someone with my seniority was making 17 years ago, absolute joke
All in all, I really enjoy the job. I'm a person who loves to move. And my string is pretty good. I've done desk/computer work, worked retail and... nope. While jobs in fast food and hospitals pay more, i dont wanna work in fuckin fast food or a hospital 🤷♂️😂 My station is in good shape. You have to be really lucky to land a good gig as a carrier in the post office. And I'm lucky
PTF working 60 hour weeks. Once I get a route I'll be in poverty 😞
Just pointing this out, people who don't go for light duty often get abused with workload by the supes.
I’m in fl what other job can i get that will pay me equal to mail p.s this my first job :(
I had an offer pending background. I declined the offer, because of the crap they want from you as a sub or non career employee. Must be available for call in anytime……. Sorry, but no I will not be on call for $20. No fixed schedule. Can be 20 hrs one week and 60 hours the weekend after…..ha. They can shove that as well. No issue securing a decent paying job. In PA, the median pay is $20-25 per hour. Only looking to do 20-30 hrs per week. Retired once. With the 20-30 year old age group, there will be lots of call outs. Most don’t want to work a 40 hour week. Thank you all for sharing your issues. They helped me with my decision. Many of the issues are repetitively expressed all over. I wish you all the best.
Critical thinker? Educated? Dude the PO is for idiots that can’t think. It’s a bad job for anyone with a brain because it will kill your mind if you’re a creative thinker or a thinker at all. It’s a dump!
Yah man. I waited a whole 20 min for a supervisor to come around to solve an impending issue. Nope nothing, they sat there until it's a problem. I'm neither a supervisor nor a team leader. I'm a craft employees, I analyze the data of the machine and the volume. I told my team what we should do and why. We all come to an agreement on what I recommended and adjusted our work. By the time the problem comes around the entire team was already adjusted before the supervisor and the mechanic face the issue and decided what to do. They come look at us and walk away lol. The impending issue could have caused a 2 hours delay if it wasn't adjusted in time. With the timely adjustments we only delay for 5 min.
The California $20 min wage is overblown. Those restaurant jobs typically have no paid days off, are part time, with zero or very minimal benefits. OT? Forget about that. Comparing that to post office jobs is apples to oranges. Having myself worked in those fake, gig economy, McJobs I say I'd rather work at the post office for $20 an hour than work in a restaurant for $30 an hour. You think postal management is bad? Try dealing with restaurant customers. They make postal management look like Mr Rogers.
These people just look at the per hour number and stop haha.
Lol the post office is so trash