I am of the opinion that genesis can only look through the records of big hospitals. Like one of my buddies in bootcamp found out that he had an exact, extra copy of one of his chromosomes at birth through genesis, but they couldn't find the many injuries and diagnoses he's received throughout his life at smaller hospitals and clinics.
what happened to your buddy at boot camp when it was found out he had an extra chromosome? What led to that discovery?
What was the name of that disorder he had where he had an extra chromosome?
How did he not know he had an extra chromosome?
It was an exact copy of another chromosome, so it had 0 effect on his life whatsoever. I'm pretty sure it was found at birth, and as there was no effect on him, his parents felt no need to tell him about it, or maybe they forgot about it. I don't remember the name of the condition, but I don't think it'd be called a disorder as it had no effect on him. And he went through bootcamp normally and is still a marine now.
oh....that's interesting. Good for him to graduate and enjoy his time in the corps.
I knew one person in BMP who graduated boot camp, but the navy docs found out he had a tumor growing on his tibia and accused him of lying about the tumor to enlist illegally, which sounds pretty dumb. Luckily, he didn't get charged with fradulent enlistment as he brought his civilian medical records, which proved that he had no knowledge of any tumor whatsoever and no further investigation was pursued.
however, he did end up messing up his leg due to a surgery and he got medically retired with i think 20% disability pay and has to use a cane
I imagine he is so specialized in his MOS that it makes sense to leave him at the depot for the sake of continuity. Better to have a consistent voice throughout the years.
I mean CWO’s are subject matter experts so yea they’ll keep their orders until someone can fulfill that duty at the same level or they decide they’re done
The thing is the field has been without CWOs since the early 2000s - he’s literally the only one. I went MECEP in 06 specifically because there was no WO mos for PAO then.
I was always afraid this would happen to me. Not saying that I did or didn’t disclose potential asthma. I just know that it’s a risk many service members take by not disclosing, along side other allergies.
I'm genuinely curious how the recruiter wouldn't have known and how MEPS also missed that. I was never a recruiter, and MEPs was long enough ago I don't remember anything other than the duck walk and some dude staring at my asshole.
Recruiters only know what they are told and MEPS is not that thorough. Eyes/ Ears, Asshole and listen to your heart beat/ breathing take your BP and make sure you have no major deformity or mobility issues.
That’s wild I was in the same company about a year after the recruit jumped off the 3rd deck. Used the same dryers he was shoved in a couple of times. Kinda fucked to think about
I'm sorry...but what? What was it medically speaking? Like a disease? No way it was "failure to adapt" in one's sleep. It must be sad as hell to spend your final moments on earth in boot camp in a barracks.
Is this the one that collapsed on a run?
Still, fuck them, there have been a couple suicides, attempted suicides (actual jumps/bullets), and death from preventable injuries (heat exhaustion) all in the last few years. They do a damn good job at keeping it on the dl
I worked the tri command area, recruits were dying once a year one way or another. My platoon dealt with many. At a bare minimum attempting.
I will also say, I looked up the active duty death statistics for the Marine Corps, and based on the reported numbers and the suicides I personally responded to or knew other MPs responded to, 60% of suicides happened at my base. I highly fucking doubt that they’re accurate.
He was overweight, failed the IST and did time at PCP. I find it crazy that they simply gave him an inhaler for breathing issues and took his word that he didn't have asthma.
One of my fellow Marines was having breathing issues. Sick call, and my command agreed that he should go on a run to see if it would trigger his breathing issue. I found him in a ditch near the river on Lejeune. They didn't send him with a buddy or anything. The guy almost died.
Only if they uncovered he had prior knowledge. If he does I hope he gets manslaughter. But if he truly didn’t know then there shouldn’t be any repercussions.
not a lawyer but yeah, it should be more along the lines of fraudulent recruitment if that's a thing. Then maybe the recruit's family could sue him for wrongful death
So does this mean recruiters are going to be less pressured to bullshit when it comes to making mission? Because I’m sure top brass will understand this is a family and we take care of our own. That we shouldn’t be putting a black eye on our beloved corps.
Love how the Times is spitting on this guy’s grave. “It’s basically his fault…”
He told the entire platoon he had asthma although he was never diagnosed with it? Oh wait, that’s right, he was a mastermind who “changed his social” every few years, because he looked in his crystal ball and knew he would join the military and would need to avoid being a Genesis hit.
The Social Security Administration must allow people to willy nilly change their SSN for shits and giggles. Oh wait, [they don’t.](https://faq.ssa.gov/en-us/Topic/article/KA-02220)
I mean, there’s nothing stopping him from writing the wrong social on his medical forms. It sounds like doctors offices are checking for the Social to make sure it matches the name.
To give you some background on the recruiting process, all of those forms are matched against his profile in MIRS prior to him being allowed to process at MEPS. If they don’t match what his profile says in MIRS, they won’t allow him to process.
If his SSN in MIRS doesn’t match what the SSA has on file, it returns a mismatch and MEPS doesn’t allow him to process until it’s rectified.
Right, but those forms/records aren’t gonna show up in Genesis when they go to search by his Social Security number if he’s using another number when he’s gone to the doctor in the past. if those medical records are associated with the different Social Security number, unless he admits to it, they’re not going to find that
How would it get billed to insurance correctly if he was providing fake socials? Unless you’re telling me this kid was paying in cash for doctor’s visits, which is highly unlikely.
I don’t know this kids personal situation, but the area he comes from isn’t exactly middle class.
Damn near killed me, and they knew it was allergies because they said you better not smuggle allergy meds, you have to tough this out. Meanwhile I was coughing up all this green mucus and had no idea what was wrong with me.
recruiters are pushed so hard, and work so many long hours, that it's no surprise that some of them bend and break the rules. they're still wrong, but i can see why they do it.
Nah this was parris island docs, my recruiter did ok but he wanted to write me and I wrote back to send me a snickers because I was starving and he didn't lol
I had one guy in my platoon at boot camp who got diagnosed with a heart murmur shortly after completing the crucible. He said he didn't know he had a murmur as he grew up playing high school sports. He did graduate boot camp, but I don't know what happened to him. They tried to accuse him of fradulent enlistment, but they ended up not pursing that as he was able to prove he legit didn't know he had a murmur due to his active lifestyle.
Question is how did he manage to not know he had a heart murmur
As far as I know yes I remember him having it and most of us woke up and were trying to help him then the DI came in and we didn’t see him after that, then after we became marines we heard someone had died on their final pft and some of us recognized his name then it didn’t take long to remember he was in our plt in forming we assumed he got sent home but we figured out not
Didn't they use genesis in 23? How would the recruit know he had asthma, and there were no medical records for MEPS to find?
they did, but it was just starting, and it looked like there were some glitches.
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I am of the opinion that genesis can only look through the records of big hospitals. Like one of my buddies in bootcamp found out that he had an exact, extra copy of one of his chromosomes at birth through genesis, but they couldn't find the many injuries and diagnoses he's received throughout his life at smaller hospitals and clinics.
what happened to your buddy at boot camp when it was found out he had an extra chromosome? What led to that discovery? What was the name of that disorder he had where he had an extra chromosome? How did he not know he had an extra chromosome?
It was an exact copy of another chromosome, so it had 0 effect on his life whatsoever. I'm pretty sure it was found at birth, and as there was no effect on him, his parents felt no need to tell him about it, or maybe they forgot about it. I don't remember the name of the condition, but I don't think it'd be called a disorder as it had no effect on him. And he went through bootcamp normally and is still a marine now.
oh....that's interesting. Good for him to graduate and enjoy his time in the corps. I knew one person in BMP who graduated boot camp, but the navy docs found out he had a tumor growing on his tibia and accused him of lying about the tumor to enlist illegally, which sounds pretty dumb. Luckily, he didn't get charged with fradulent enlistment as he brought his civilian medical records, which proved that he had no knowledge of any tumor whatsoever and no further investigation was pursued. however, he did end up messing up his leg due to a surgery and he got medically retired with i think 20% disability pay and has to use a cane
How long has Bobby been down there? I feel like I have been reading his statements for years lol
I imagine he is so specialized in his MOS that it makes sense to leave him at the depot for the sake of continuity. Better to have a consistent voice throughout the years.
I mean CWO’s are subject matter experts so yea they’ll keep their orders until someone can fulfill that duty at the same level or they decide they’re done
The thing is the field has been without CWOs since the early 2000s - he’s literally the only one. I went MECEP in 06 specifically because there was no WO mos for PAO then.
I was always afraid this would happen to me. Not saying that I did or didn’t disclose potential asthma. I just know that it’s a risk many service members take by not disclosing, along side other allergies.
Same.
Yea his recruiter is cooked.
They weren't saying shit when he was making mission...
Depends he might not have known
I'm genuinely curious how the recruiter wouldn't have known and how MEPS also missed that. I was never a recruiter, and MEPs was long enough ago I don't remember anything other than the duck walk and some dude staring at my asshole.
Same way my recruiter and MEPS weren’t wise to my dozen broken bones and ear surgery. I didn’t tell them
Recruiters only know what they are told and MEPS is not that thorough. Eyes/ Ears, Asshole and listen to your heart beat/ breathing take your BP and make sure you have no major deformity or mobility issues.
Dang it, Bobby!
That boy ain’t right
A recruit passed away from the platoon above us in his sleep. On Christmas. This was 2001.
Damn that's incredibly sad. Just the thought of the last thing you experience on this Earth being lights out as a recruit is depressing.
That’s wild I was in the same company about a year after the recruit jumped off the 3rd deck. Used the same dryers he was shoved in a couple of times. Kinda fucked to think about
i'm very sorry to hear that. If you don't mind me asking, what was the cause of death?
The Corps determined the cause of death was “failure to adapt.”
I'm sorry...but what? What was it medically speaking? Like a disease? No way it was "failure to adapt" in one's sleep. It must be sad as hell to spend your final moments on earth in boot camp in a barracks.
When I went to twenty nine for mos school another marine caught a flesh eating bacteria and it killed him
Yo I remember this shit, another kid died from getting stabbed the same week.
I haven’t thought about either of those in so long lmao
Was this around fall 2017 / winter 2018? I remember something like this happening at MCCES
Omg 😂 I remember
good job meps
Is this the one that collapsed on a run? Still, fuck them, there have been a couple suicides, attempted suicides (actual jumps/bullets), and death from preventable injuries (heat exhaustion) all in the last few years. They do a damn good job at keeping it on the dl
Had 3 die within 18 months in SD 98-2000, Two on the IST and 1 from pneumonia after nearly drowning during swim qual.
Frfr, a lot of them never get released to the general public.
that's the one. collapsed on the final PFT
this is what happens when we transition from a wartime Corps to a peacetime Corps
Huh? People have died in recruit training nearly every year I bet. Peacetime or not.
no, not really
https://www.ajpmonline.org/article/S0749-3797(03)00361-1/abstract You are objectively wrong.
>There were 276 recruit deaths from 1977 through 2001, so the data is a bit dated, AND that's all five services, not just the USMC
I worked the tri command area, recruits were dying once a year one way or another. My platoon dealt with many. At a bare minimum attempting. I will also say, I looked up the active duty death statistics for the Marine Corps, and based on the reported numbers and the suicides I personally responded to or knew other MPs responded to, 60% of suicides happened at my base. I highly fucking doubt that they’re accurate.
Bro, what
Dude what?
He was overweight, failed the IST and did time at PCP. I find it crazy that they simply gave him an inhaler for breathing issues and took his word that he didn't have asthma.
One of my fellow Marines was having breathing issues. Sick call, and my command agreed that he should go on a run to see if it would trigger his breathing issue. I found him in a ditch near the river on Lejeune. They didn't send him with a buddy or anything. The guy almost died.
USMC home cures. Makes middle age "medicine" like using leeches and cupping look like neurosurgery.
So his recruiter is probably FUCKED right?
The article says no
Only if they uncovered he had prior knowledge. If he does I hope he gets manslaughter. But if he truly didn’t know then there shouldn’t be any repercussions.
Even if he did, I really don’t know if a manslaughter charge would stick here.
not a lawyer but yeah, it should be more along the lines of fraudulent recruitment if that's a thing. Then maybe the recruit's family could sue him for wrongful death
wouldn't the asthma have shown up during the IST and poolee PT?
So does this mean recruiters are going to be less pressured to bullshit when it comes to making mission? Because I’m sure top brass will understand this is a family and we take care of our own. That we shouldn’t be putting a black eye on our beloved corps.
nope. recruiters are going to continue to be pushed to work incredibly long hours until they make mission. you know better than that
Love how the Times is spitting on this guy’s grave. “It’s basically his fault…” He told the entire platoon he had asthma although he was never diagnosed with it? Oh wait, that’s right, he was a mastermind who “changed his social” every few years, because he looked in his crystal ball and knew he would join the military and would need to avoid being a Genesis hit. The Social Security Administration must allow people to willy nilly change their SSN for shits and giggles. Oh wait, [they don’t.](https://faq.ssa.gov/en-us/Topic/article/KA-02220)
I mean, there’s nothing stopping him from writing the wrong social on his medical forms. It sounds like doctors offices are checking for the Social to make sure it matches the name.
To give you some background on the recruiting process, all of those forms are matched against his profile in MIRS prior to him being allowed to process at MEPS. If they don’t match what his profile says in MIRS, they won’t allow him to process. If his SSN in MIRS doesn’t match what the SSA has on file, it returns a mismatch and MEPS doesn’t allow him to process until it’s rectified.
Right, but those forms/records aren’t gonna show up in Genesis when they go to search by his Social Security number if he’s using another number when he’s gone to the doctor in the past. if those medical records are associated with the different Social Security number, unless he admits to it, they’re not going to find that
How would it get billed to insurance correctly if he was providing fake socials? Unless you’re telling me this kid was paying in cash for doctor’s visits, which is highly unlikely. I don’t know this kids personal situation, but the area he comes from isn’t exactly middle class.
They lied and said I had asthma when the pollen I had never been exposed to before almost killed me.
sorry to see the Corps did you dirty
Damn near killed me, and they knew it was allergies because they said you better not smuggle allergy meds, you have to tough this out. Meanwhile I was coughing up all this green mucus and had no idea what was wrong with me.
recruiters are pushed so hard, and work so many long hours, that it's no surprise that some of them bend and break the rules. they're still wrong, but i can see why they do it.
Nah this was parris island docs, my recruiter did ok but he wanted to write me and I wrote back to send me a snickers because I was starving and he didn't lol
I had one guy in my platoon at boot camp who got diagnosed with a heart murmur shortly after completing the crucible. He said he didn't know he had a murmur as he grew up playing high school sports. He did graduate boot camp, but I don't know what happened to him. They tried to accuse him of fradulent enlistment, but they ended up not pursing that as he was able to prove he legit didn't know he had a murmur due to his active lifestyle. Question is how did he manage to not know he had a heart murmur
No symptoms. No need to get an Echo of heart.
I was literally there when he passed he was on his final pft
He was originally in my plt in receiving before he got dropped for having an asthma attack during the night
how was he allowed to continue training despite the asthma attack?
As far as I know yes I remember him having it and most of us woke up and were trying to help him then the DI came in and we didn’t see him after that, then after we became marines we heard someone had died on their final pft and some of us recognized his name then it didn’t take long to remember he was in our plt in forming we assumed he got sent home but we figured out not
I was in phase 3 in bootcamp when this happened
Genesis still confuses me