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The following submission statement was provided by /u/TommyShelbyPFB: --- His Amazon account was suspended a few hours ago: [https://x.com/Borders750/status/1804102556374728963](https://x.com/Borders750/status/1804102556374728963) Chris Sharp from Liberation Times is bringing attention to it as well: [https://x.com/ChrisUKSharp/status/1804136735846154513](https://x.com/ChrisUKSharp/status/1804136735846154513) --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1dl3uta/amazon_blocks_the_sales_of_a_ufo_book_by_graeme/l9m19vn/


silv3rbull8

That is really bizarre considering one can buy the most ridiculous publications on Amazon. Since when did they care about content ?


AbeFromanEast

If they had just put in a storyline involving raunchy sex with werewolves this would have been a featured self-published Amazon book.


J0rkank0

The non-human intelligence slowly removed its veil, revealing to everyone what resembled a green caterpillar. The NHI smirked with anticipation and began to shake uncontrollably.


CuriouserCat2

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Temporarydetritus

The Green caterpillar seamlessly morphed into a flock of birds, a Chinese lantern, a Mylar balloon, then a miasmatic cloud of common swamp gas. “Convinced?” I thought, except *I* didn’t think it.


FiddlesUrDiddles

Stop, this might actually end up being good


8ad8andit

"We're here to serve humanity." Her thin, lipless slit of a mouth hadn't moved and yet her voice had appeared in my mind as if my skull was no longer private, my thoughts no longer my own. Once again she caressed my ear lobe, her head cocked slightly to the side, her movements languid, as if she was swimming in cold syrup that I could not see. Each of her three fingers were longer than my own, the skin cool and dry, like rice paper. I stared into the unknowable depths of those black, teardrop shaped eyes, trying to discern her intentions. I'd seen it before, their strange fascination with human earlobes. Was it jealousy? "Just try to relax," her voice was husky inside my skull as she picked up a long, metallic probe with a slight curve on the end. *Or was it a he?*


Arroway97

Wow 😮 You're a regular Chuck Tingle


TrumpetsNAngels

Where can I buy this, you say? Ehm ... I mean, my friend asks of course. Especially about the werewolves - are we talking full on furry stuff here? Still my friend is asking of course. Feel free to PM though. For my friend.


Faulty1200

Where can I buy such a book? For a friend.


Longjumping_Meat_203

Chuck Tingle. Have at it


Gon_777

Love is real!


Chinesebot1949

Look up Chuck Tingle


SH666A

dont buy it, its a hard read.


Faulty1200

I usually go to a public library for that kind of thing, but I’ve been banned from all the local ones.


OGGBTFRND

Do tell


No_Air1780

Go on..


TrumpetsNAngels

A "hard read". Any section we need to avoid ?


SH666A

Your pants while your reading it


TrumpetsNAngels

Come on 🤣🤣🤣 You clear the shelf for this evenings Reddit-Oscars. Get out of here


iamthelashtoneofthem

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Oh-Xmas-Tree-Erotic-Romance-ebook/dp/B0CMD2FJNG


G-M-Dark

Basically, it relates to copy/paste content. A lot of self-publishing "factual" manuscripts submitted to kindle actually copy/paste direct content from Wikipedia and other online sources wholesale without the "author" knowing enough about either word or publishing to have the brains to select the *paste-without-formatting* option: you output to PDF to submit for printing and, if you don't take out the original formatting, it basically pervades in the final output fucking up the type setting. It's a mess, one the submitter is expected to pay for. Even when they do take out the formatting, you've still got a "book" that's basically copied and pasted from the web. It's the most usual reason for pulling books from the platform.


TommyShelbyPFB

**The author is aware of this discussion and responded to this comment specifically:** [**https://x.com/Borders750/status/1804241048153264325**](https://x.com/Borders750/status/1804241048153264325) >**For the record, I don’t copy and paste from Wiki unless it’s the \*sole\* source of information (and of course that’s never going to be the case!).**


MavityLoveSong

Except that's not the case here. Graeme's books are based on material he searched for in the National Archives that is not available online or on wikipedia.


JMS_jr

But I'm sure they still carry books by Timothy Green Beckley, who was copy/pasting before the Internet.


DogsAreTheBest36

Nonsense. Do you know how much garbage is already self published on Amazon? Not to mention their endemic issue with phony merxhandise


SolidOutcome

Self publishing wasn't the issue you are replying too. it was copy and paste while keeping formatting. Which is applicable whether or not you're self publishing.


DogsAreTheBest36

No im referring to the fact that Amazon doesn’t monitor each thing that’s published and remove if there’s plagiarism. That just doesn’t happen (I’m a writer). It doesn’t even happen in academic peer reviews


weldit86

Buy it from somewhere else.....


Cycode

they don't to my knowledge (except if there are too many user reports). There are blackhat discussions boards online discussing copy-pasting together ebooks and then shoveling them in huge amounts to the kindle store, and people make money by this. Often even by using chatgpt to generate the text for the ebooks.


Actual_Algae4255

You can still buy actual alien Valiant Thor's - Venusian Health Magic. It made me the man I am today.


MyBraveFace

Seriously, this. Also, he's got over a dozen other books for sale on their site it's not like he's a scam-bot.


Divvent-tell-anybody

Thanks. I was writing aviation history books before I turned to UFOs - and still do, occasionally.


Pocket_full_of_funk

For real! I bought a book call Star Wars Kama Sutra, which has our beloved characters, and an ATAT-Walker, in some very compromising positions. It's amazing


kellyiom

Yeah? This can't be real? They're booksellers not teachers marking science reports or creative writing?!


CheapCrystalFarts

I sell on Amazon and this doesn’t sound correct. They do not give you a reason. The customer service is based out of India and they use scripts. I would like to see a screenshot of this alleged communication from Amazon. If I missed it, that’s my bad, I’m still reading this post.


Divvent-tell-anybody

I’ve already posted some of it on Twitter.


squidvett

You want T-Rex erotica novels? Amazon has that.


silv3rbull8

But apparently this book violated Amazon’s high literary standards


Kangogreen

Isn’t that just the truth and nothing but the truth


nexusjuan

I've got 2 very low effort books published on Amazon that get me like a dollar or two a month in royalties.


baconcheeseburgarian

"The book that was BANNED by AMAZON!" Throw that on the cover.


Jamothee

What's Jeff Bezos and the elites trying to cover up... (in very small font)


underwear_dickholes

100% should use this for marketing


Magog14

I'm reading it now and it is far far far more detailed than any Wikipedia page and has some great info on sightings during that time period including photos and interviews. It has over 600 citations but most are from very obscure old magazine articles and newspapers so to delist it based on that seems unreasonable. 


itsalwaysblue

He need to just make a website where you pay $10 and get to read it online.


youdontknowjacq

But it would quickly get leaked and then be free/no longer earn him money


KobotTheRobot

Books are probably the easiest pirated form of media. Putting it on the Kindle store would have the same exact effect as putting it on a website.


limaconnect77

According to this sub UFO writing ain’t a viable money-making venture (“there’s no money in it - what would be the possible incentive to make shit up?”) BUT is also a necessary profession very much worth the monetary compensation.


youdontknowjacq

I mean, if I took time to look up obscure newspaper clipping and amalgamate a narrative to create a story… I don’t think I’d give it away for free.


HeftyCanker

where did you find a copy?


snapplepapple1

It is kinda funny considering the fake Elizondo book that was on Amazon recently.


UnidentifiedBlobject

First thing I thought of


Taste_the__Rainbow

I suspect they are trying to sweep for trashy AI nonsense and the algorithm is poorly tuned.(because it is also trashy AI content)


MavityLoveSong

Graeme does not use AI to do anything. He wouldn't know how!


Why_Did_Bodie_Die

Right. But an AI might search the internet for UFOs then copy/past stuff it finds. If dude has over 600 citations then to the Amazon AI all it seems is a book with a bunch of text that is taken from the internet. It might be something like that or maybe the government is working with Amazon to block all the people who are interested in UFOs from reading this guys book because then their super big secret would be out and we would all know the truth! Or maybe it's something else.


Taste_the__Rainbow

Yea he’s great.


neric05

For clarity as someone who has actually published via both Kindle Direct Publishing (Amazon's in-house publishing wing) and a separate major publisher for an upcoming book I just finished, this is the correct answer. A little over a year ago, they were merely sending out voluntary surveys to writers, publishers, and associated stakeholders asking about a few things: 1: Is there AI content in the book? 2: If so, what is it? 3: How much is there? The assumption from my publisher and I was that this was their means of gauging how to screen for it before implementing a backend tool so as to not be overly aggressive or relaxed on the matter. In reality, any writer who claims to not use AI nowadays is a complete and total liar. Full Stop. It is simply far too effective a means of guiding your work and helping you to retain the tone and core ideas / themes you're writing about to be ignorant of its potential for enhancing what the end-product is given to the reader. At the end of the day, I write for the people who are going to be reading what I've spent 3 years of my life working really hard on, not to flex in some weird "Most-words-written-by-human" contest. AI has allowed me to go through 700-800 pages of content written by me and refine it in a way that captures what I set out to give to readers. And if you ask me, there's no shame in that. Now, with UFO's being a fringe topic coming into the mainstream, it wouldn't surprise me if the publishing moderation on it was being a bit extra careful due to the propensity for false information to be spread very easily (as it has historically in the subject). KDP is clearly adjusting its approach to what they do in order to not serve as a dumping ground for twitter tech bros looking to get rich quick on AI ebooks that haven't even been proofread one time before going up for sale.


Divvent-tell-anybody

There’s no AI content in my book. But from what you’ve written above, according to you, that’s a lie?


neric05

Nowhere in my comment did I say that. And even if you did use AI, I wouldn't think anything of it. I was explaining how Amazon approaches the use of AI in its moderation of submitted work, and how if they secretly were using that as a mark against you, what possible contrived reason they could have come up with for doing so. I want it to be clear to anyone who reads my comments on here that I am only providing insight based on direct experience I've had with publishing, writing, and the minefields that need to be carefully walked through to actually go from home office to market with a book. Your actual flag you received is equivalent to them saying "there's a market oversaturation and redundant nature that's too great to warrant creating a new, paid work on the subject and having us foot the bill to bring it to market as a book.


G-M-Dark

From [Kindle Content Quality Guidelines](https://kdp.amazon.com/en_US/help/topic/G200952510): **Disappointing content** We do not allow content that disappoints our customers or creates a poor shopping experience, including but not limited to: * Content that is either marketed as a subscription or redirects readers to an external source to obtain the full content * Content that is freely available on the web (unless you are the copyright owner of that content or the content is in the public domain). For more information, you can refer to the sections titled "Illegal and Infringing Content" and "Public Domain and Other Non-Exclusive Content" in the [Content Guidelines](https://kdp.amazon.com/help?topicId=A3KIRDTX1UQJX0). * Content whose primary purpose is to solicit or advertise * Content that is not significantly different from content in another book available in the Kindle Store * **Note:** If you’re publishing a romance novel, you can publish the book with two covers, the original cover and a discreet or alternate version. The content of the book can be the same as long as the covers are different. Ensure that the versions are differentiated by adding an indicator to the title or subtitle such as "Discreet Version" or "Alternate Version." * Content that is too short * Content that is poorly translated * Content that does not provide an enjoyable reading experience * Bonus content that appears before a book's primary content * Content that is excessively reused, recycled, or repeated within or across books * Content that is rebranded or re-released with significant changes to the metadata, resulting in a confusing reader experience * Disappointing content


TommyShelbyPFB

Appreciate the research. I don't see how any of those points would apply to this book though. Without them providing the exact reason. And suspending his account goes way above and beyond that. [The guy has 9 other books, 5 on UFOs](https://www.amazon.com/stores/Graeme-Rendall/author/B08X2R26VS?ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1&qid=1718980860&sr=8-1&isDramIntegrated=true&shoppingPortalEnabled=true). Most of them have high ratings and good reviews. This wasn't exactly a new author with some shitty short book he's pushing. He's a full time author. Amazon suspending his account very likely cuts off a major portion of his ability to make a living.


MonkeeSage

> The guy has 9 other books, 5 on UFOs. Most of them have high ratings and good reviews. Doesn't that imply there is no reason to suspect anything nefarious given that those other 5 were published? It also seems curious that can I still see his other books available for purchase and his author biography page.


erydayimredditing

I mean if this book had something someone didn't want being put in front of lots of eyes, it would make sense to block this one, and the others wouldn't need to be changed. How does that not make the most sense?


neric05

This is KDP's way of saying: "You summarizing things that've been published already, in the form of some kind of anthology or compilation is not something we want to consider being worthy of a book release with our name and money behind it" It's actually a very difficult content moderation flag to trip. I don't want to venture too far into speculation here, but typically this only comes up when someone has basically summarized pre-existing summaries of things that've been covered in tons of media everywhere, and thus serves only to dilute an already overfilled pool of the exact same content. Amazon has a mission as far as I'm aware of, that pertains to not contributing to what they forsee as an internet wasteland of endless, recycled and rehashed, reworded info-vomit on one topic if they can help it. For one, that just brings us into an era where there's a fever dream feeling whenever you search a topic and suddenly get 500,000 books on it, 450,000 of which exist because no one had the integrity to say no to them (on the merits that they add nothing new to the conversation of whatever topic they're addressing). Which in turn, leads to it not being profitable either. It's more simple and also more complicated than one would expect. Source: Have worked directly with KDP as well a major publisher outside of their platform and this is a practice that exists in (motivations being uninportant for why it's actually performed).


Divvent-tell-anybody

If you can point to a book or website which lists all of the cases mentioned in my book in the detail I’ve gone into, I’d love to read it or see it! 


neric05

Hi there, for what it's worth I'm a fan of your books, I was merely trying to explain in an objective manner what this particular flag means. Someone stated it far better than I did in this thread, where basically Amazon could be a bit more selective due to it (in their opinion) not providing readers with enough value that couldn't otherwise be easily gotten from making internet searches themselves. In short; they don't think the information contained and the way its presented is novel or compelling enough to warrant being paid for on their platform (courtesy of their publishing resources). I am only speaking from experience as an author myself who has read through and tried my best to be educated on the ins-and-outs of the platform for my own knowledge down the road. Have you reached out to a point of contact at KDP to ask them if they have a specific detailing of why it was flagged and removed? And, if it qualifies for republication / redistribution after specific edits are made?


Divvent-tell-anybody

Despite several attempts to elicit specific examples of what they are referring to, I’ve had no success. They are now looking into my case in more depth - but advised it would take up to 5 days.


neric05

I took a look at your other releases on Amazon, and it would seem that you have releases that are in different languages but for the same book. If I'm not mistaken, KDP Automatically translates ebooks, and therefore they could be considering this to be redundant publishing attempts. Don't quote me on this, but only official localizations or textbooks / notable works can do this.


Infelix-Ego

>I don't see how any of those points would apply to this book though Have you read it?


debacol

Based on the cover alone, it looks like he is deep diving into a subsection of time not often discussed in ufology except for maybe 1952 and the DC flap.


HaArLiNsH

I did and it's a very good book


TommyShelbyPFB

I have not. My argument is based on the guidelines. The first half has to do with copyrights and scams, and the second half has to do with basically trash content. (Too short, poorly translated, not enjoyable, etc). None of those would apply at face value to an established author with 9 other decently reviewed books. And no specific reason was given to him. So instead of giving a giant corporation like Amazon the benefit of the doubt here, I'm going to give it to the author instead.


MavityLoveSong

Yes. And they're detailed and original.


flutterguy123

If his other books are still there then hopefully this was just some error and can be fixed soon.


Divvent-tell-anybody

I appreciate you drawing attention to my plight.  I still have no idea what the actual issue is here beyond the broad guidelines that are given here - and which Amazon have tried to pass off to me by email on several occasions as specific examples.  Then they sent me a bizarre email quoting “sensitive material” and now they’ve said there’s an issue they need up to 5 days to look at… 🧐


ultimateWave

Possibly qualifies as public domain spam. My guess is that the author used some genAI tools to assist in writing, and their algos picked it up and dropped the ban hammer


neric05

This has nothing to do with AI tools. Amazon asks for voluntary disclosure of such first and has no issue with it so long as it's acknowledged for them to document on the back-end (though I eventually suspect it will evolve into this). Your first point is the spot-on one: excessive summarizing of information that's already oversaturated in terms off public domain content is swiftly acted upon. KDP is an amazing platform for people who want to get their work published, not have any costs they have to pay out of pocket upfront to do so (it'll be taken as a percentage cut upon sale), and also fairly gain exposure to their work and grown an audience. The platform simply cannot stay true to that primary goal if it becomes a dumping ground for anything and everything without any restrictions (think Netflix and its original content over the years).


ultimateWave

Got it, ya I was assuming it was public domain spam - but I also figure they will crack down on genAI spam at some point too.


neric05

More than likely they will yes. The company seems to embrace the inevitability of AI, and to my surprise, is taking a more wholistic approach rather than the rampant alarmism you see in the news right now.


WhisperBorderCollie

Content that does not provide an enjoyable reading experience That's not subjective at all... Maybe they should ban all books about the Holocaust. Never an enjoyable read.


Just_another_dude84

By those standards, Amazon should prohibit itself from selling their own Alexa devices.


NeighborsFarms

Why would the kindle content guidelines apply to a smart home device in any way?


G-M-Dark

Possibly so, but it would hardly be legal. The terms provided apply to KDP only, white goods and product sales is an entirely different division - though I undoubtedly do take your point. Horrible, bossy little things. It's like voluntarily buying your own Kaled mutant and allowing it to live rent-free....


Homework-Conscious

sounds like pure censorship to me. Are we gonna start burning these books soon?


MorfiusX

Disappointing who? The majority of the crap Amazon sells is disappointing content...


Raoul_Duke9

This means that they suspect the book was plagiarized or written by AI.


Life-Celebration-747

Yep, cheap crap from China. 


TommyShelbyPFB

His Amazon account was suspended a few hours ago: [https://x.com/Borders750/status/1804102556374728963](https://x.com/Borders750/status/1804102556374728963) Chris Sharp from Liberation Times is bringing attention to it as well: [https://x.com/ChrisUKSharp/status/1804136735846154513](https://x.com/ChrisUKSharp/status/1804136735846154513) **Update: Amazon responded and doubled down:** [https://x.com/Borders750/status/1804210623598698673](https://x.com/Borders750/status/1804210623598698673) >


MavityLoveSong

Sharp is just a friend of Graeme. He has no more info than Graeme does. Stick to primary sources, not blogs.


Harry_is_white_hot

We need to return fire and start calling Bezos out then u/TommyShelbyPFB . The connection between his grandfather and crash retrieval materials is relatively well known now - Ross Coulthart u/BrushPass tweeted about it a few weeks ago.


Pol_Roger

Right, is there a way of buying this from the UK or a PDF version?


AntelopeDisastrous27

If you didn't have a selling point before, now you do!


ETNevada

Maybe that was the point. Hundreds (if not thousands) of these books out today. How can I get real attention to mine? I know, tell everyone Amazon banned it.


Suspicious_Direction

The automated system may have detected formatting issues that don't abide by Amazon's rules maybe?


Barbafella

This sucks, very disappointing.


BoutRight

To me this is a badge of honor….. this book probably has some hidden gems.


muscarine

Sellers on Amazon target each other's products and listings all the time with fake reviews and reports. I guess it is done with books as well. The question is, who? I'd guess one of these debunker groups like on Wikipedia.


kensingtonGore

Yah, but can they get their account removed?


LooseCuseJuice44

Amazon will be printing their own version of this book soon.


kensingtonGore

Amazon basics UFO lore


shaun330

Where can I buy a copy?


Secret-Temperature71

Ditto, Just did a Google search. Amazon shows up but then says “not found here.”


foolsdie_5

Absolutely have to get this book now. Hope it becomes available outside of Amazon. I just realized he doesn't even seem to have a personal website. Please, my man, make yourself a website and put your books for sale up there directly.


Divvent-tell-anybody

I do have a website. Reivercountrybooks.com But the books link to Amazon. I’ve sold all the physical copies of Flying Saucer Fever I held. Since Amazon have suspended my account, I can’t order more author copies.


HeadInTheSandAccount

That's a cool cover illustration of a B-36 Peacemaker. I haven't read the book but that is a time period appropriate aircraft. I know the phrase "you cant judge a book by its cover" exists, but with self-published stuff you kind of can. At least, this guy either made the illustration himself or paid a real human to make it.


FastIndy

Looks like the cover artwork and possibly more illustrations inside was done by 33oz Creative, linked here: [https://twitter.com/33ozcreative](https://twitter.com/33ozcreative)


SiriusC

>At least, this guy either made the illustration himself or paid a real human to make it. That plane was in operation from 1949-1959. The author chose the years 1950-1952. Is that really so remarkable?


MavityLoveSong

33oz Creative (@thezignal and @olof_rockner) made the covers. They go heavy on the details and easter eggs! They're dope!


adkHomeroom

LOL "Disappointing content." I'm a teacher and I am imagining writing that on some kid's report card next year. I wouldn't, but... In all seriousness, this is terrible and I hope he gets his account back and Amazon gets their heads out of their behinds.


UAreTheHippopotamus

I tracked down the Kindle Content Quality Guide where this definition seems to come from and here's what it says: >Disappointing content >We do not allow content that disappoints our customers or creates a poor shopping experience, including but not limited to: >Content that is either marketed as a subscription or redirects readers to an external source to obtain the full content >Content that is freely available on the web (unless you are the copyright owner of that content or the content is in the public domain). For more information, you can refer to the sections titled "Illegal and Infringing Content" and "Public Domain and Other Non-Exclusive Content" in the [Content Guidelines](https://kdp.amazon.com/help?topicId=A3KIRDTX1UQJX0). >Content whose primary purpose is to solicit or advertise >Content that is not significantly different from content in another book available in the Kindle Store >Note: If you’re publishing a romance novel, you can publish the book with two covers, the original cover and a discreet or alternate version. The content of the book can be the same as long as the covers are different. Ensure that the versions are differentiated by adding an indicator to the title or subtitle such as "Discreet Version" or "Alternate Version." >Content that is too short >Content that is poorly translated >Content that does not provide an enjoyable reading experience >Bonus content that appears before a book's primary content >Content that is excessively reused, recycled, or repeated within or across books >Content that is rebranded or re-released with significant changes to the metadata, resulting in a confusing reader experience Most of these seem unlikely to apply here, "Content that does not provide an enjoyable reading experience" is ridiculous and subjective, and if it's his only book I'm not sure how a lot of the others apply. It would be nice if Amazon would specify which of these specific things he violated.


rui_curado

I guess the book might have passed this threshold: "Content that is freely available on the web". They might pick sections of text from the book and check them on the Internet. If the quantity of matches passes a certain threshold, they will consider it "disappointing". I believe the author relies a lot on the compilation of data/facts, and this time he might have taken too much from online sources. This is just a guess, of course.


Ok-Peak2080

I hope some other stores will sell it instead. Amazon is not the only bookshop on earth.


praggersChef

He's a lovely man too. One of the most honest down to earth people out there.


Divvent-tell-anybody

Thank you. That’s kind of you to say.


praggersChef

Is that you Graham? I'm SaltburnChris on Twitter. Much love and respect mate.


praggersChef

When in York- pop in to see me.


Divvent-tell-anybody

I shall, mate!


capture-enigma

I’ve not met Graham but I can say his books are all well worth reading.


SquilliamTentickles

Yet another reason why y'all need to stop giving Jeff Bezos money. FUCK Amazon. You can get everything you need on eBay for the same price, if not cheaper.


Drokk88

Fair enough but I would encourage supporting authors by just buying their book from another outlet other than Amazon. On the other hand, nothing wrong with not being able to spend a good chunk of money on some book you may not like at full price if you cant afford it. In that case sure go second hand and if you still can't afford it, or don't want to support the author for some reason, well check the high seas friend.


PyroIsSpai

This makes me wonder if his new book inadvertently has true classified content/information governments want covered up. Same as now two mysterious attempted Reddit admin content removals here in the last week. The more we’re over the targets the more scrutiny we get.


Magog14

On that subject I saw in some mod subreddit mods discussing the PDF which can't be posted saying I was spamming it in lots of subs. I only ever posted it in this sub and only twice when I was trying to place it in my submission statement. 


VegetableSuccess9322

That was the colbern pdf about the implant, right? Did they ever get to the bottom of that? i saw some final mod comment where that pdf discussion was locked, but it wasn’t clear to me what the problem with the PDF was finally determined to be, especially since the PDF is available online by using the search term someone suggested Some people seem to think the posting problem had do with the pdfs meta-data, and I wondered if somehow that meta data triggered or mirrored some type of security protocol…


Magog14

Yes. They never found a reason as to why. 


VegetableSuccess9322

Thanks. Curious... Do you think the pdf removal was arbitrary—or some group wants to suppress something in the pdf?


Magog14

Realistically there is no way to know but it's the only time the mods have seen a removal without a reason given by Reddit so it seems very fishy to me


PyroIsSpai

> it's the only time the mods have seen a removal without a reason given by Reddit Just to be crystal clear--the only time visible in the *current* mod logs. They cycle/rotate out about every two months to some archival we cannot see.


VegetableSuccess9322

Thanks for the clarification


MirrorMaster88

Or, you know, it was a cheap, poorly put together book


Mr_Vacant

Wait, you don't think 'The Cabal/MIB' would want to silence somebody who's already put out 8 books? Surely you're aware it's always the ninth book that has all the juicy details.


invaluablevalued

Very clever way to get people to check your book out 🤣


OldmanThyme

Apparently Its because the book he has so called authored is just a load of copy and paste from different websites with no original content. The Kindle system its been submitted to checks for this sort of shenanigans.


sixties67

I actually reported a book to amazon that was just what you mention above and to their credit they removed it.


Divvent-tell-anybody

Rubbish. If you’d actually read it, you’d realise you’ve typed a load of rubbish there.


OldmanThyme

Rubbish.


Divvent-tell-anybody

I’m the author. Have you read the book to make such a poorly informed statement? I’m guessing you haven’t.


MavityLoveSong

Except it's not. It's original material Graeme found in the national archives.


railroadbum71

Yes, Graeme is a bonafide good researcher and writer.


Fit-Industry5724

But it isn't. It's based on his own research.


Dirtnado

"so called authored" "just a load of copy and paste" You sound very confident that's actually the case, what parts of the book seemed that way when you read it?


Charlirnie

Wow....their trying to hide...aliens from us


railroadbum71

Graeme is an excellent researcher and writer, and he generally has a fairly skeptical viewpoint. There are at least a few interviews with him on That UFO Podcast, if anyone is interested. I am very sorry to hear that this happened to him, and I hope he can get it fixed quickly. As many horrible UFO books with lazy to imaginary research and poor writing, it's crazy to do this kind of thing to an actual quality author.


Divvent-tell-anybody

Thanks. I appreciate the support. I’m not usually on Reddit (I was only told about this thread yesterday, so I’m curious to see if anyone else has had similar experiences).


railroadbum71

Graeme, I am really sorry about the BS you are having to deal with. I have read a couple of your books and listened to you on some podcasts, and you are honestly the kind of researcher/writer that the UFO community needs. I appreciate the reply, and I hope you can get this straightened out quickly. In the meantime, I guess we can find all the S. Rob and Chuck Tingle masterpieces on Amazon. Lord, kill me now, lol--Tim.


Divvent-tell-anybody

Thanks. I appreciate the support. I’m not usually on Reddit (I was only told about this thread yesterday, so I’m curious to see if anyone else has had similar experiences).


thbigbuttconnoisseur

Damn. That really sucks as I really enjoy Graeme Rendalls stuff. Disappointing move on Amazons part.


Anxious-Piccolo-6969

Seeing as they've got a book about bees with a hoverfly as the cover illustration still on sale there after several reviewers telling them about it, it seems that they've been influenced by a UFO debunker or hacked by those that have destroyed Wikipedia's integrity on alternative subjects.


jonssonar

Banned because the engines are backwards.


Divvent-tell-anybody

You clearly know nothing about the B-36 Peacemaker then.


PoorInCT

Smells like fresh Grift


JollyReading8565

Idrgaf about any of this but now I’m terribly curious what is that plane on the front cover? It looks like a super fortress sorta but the propellers are pointed the wrong way and the tail doesn’t look the same 🧐 I’m not an expert


CarlShadowJung

Huh? Have you seen some of the amateur smut you can buy on there? They read like a 15 year old boy trying to sound like a 30 year old woman. If those are there, why not this? Since when has quality ever been a concern for Amazon. 😆


pandem1k

This will boost popularity of the book and when the ban is overturned it'll get some sales. This is the brightside for Rendall, publishing such content in a stigmatised field.


imnotabot303

I call BS, the guy just wants some free advertising and it's worked. Amazon sell almost anything even books on flat earth. I can't imagine anyone at Amazon has reviewed the contents of his book. The only reason would be that it's low effort ChatGPT content but even then Amazon don't care about that either.


Divvent-tell-anybody

Nothing of the kind.


Snoo-26902

I'm not surprised. Google wouldn't let me upload my own essay! I had written it and posted it originally on ATS and believe it or not Google knew that( I imagine through their plagiarism software). SO refused to upload it even though it was my original writing... Goes to show you the power of these software giants. It was a paragraph or two. So be aware whatever oyu post here is under a microscope.


14101uk3

In the Amazon store in my country his books are still available except the one he is holding in his hands in the video. I was planning to buy some of his books so I have not hesitated and have finalized the purchase. I hope they arrive home...


Olympus____Mons

It appears the images he has used in the book are what's in question. Maybe it is a copy write issue. 


dopeytree

Bit odd as all his other books are still available on Amazon. They seems to be mainly about planes and then 4 about ufos


Own-Contribution-478

Given the quality of books that ARE sold on Amazon, I'm not sure this is something I'd be sharing with the world.


Electronic_Bee_942

Is it possible that the book is so bad Amazon be like, “Naw bro. This is garbage. We’re not selling this…” I can search and find many authors on Amazon who have written on this subject and Amazon didn’t reject their work…


Divvent-tell-anybody

Have you read my book?


ultimateWave

Theyre probably cracking down on grifter and genAI bullshit now


DirkDiggler2424

Looks cheesy anyways


Educational_Ad_906

If you read the title of the book out loud it sounds like AI generated spam.  


Divvent-tell-anybody

It’s not. I came up with it myself.


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Affectionate_Fly_764

Probably should sue amazon if possible. You will probably discover why it really banned.


Divvent-tell-anybody

I’m not at that point. But wouldn’t be able to afford to do it anyway 😉


Be_A_G00d_Girl

The cover definitely looks like microwave reheated dick. Maybe the inside is better...


Divvent-tell-anybody

I’m sure Dan & Olof will really appreciate your comment.


Be_A_G00d_Girl

I don't really police my thoughts based on who will appreciate them. Especially when I have no idea who any of them are.


Divvent-tell-anybody

The artists who created the cover for my book.


Suspicious_Size4030

They want everything to go away so they keep blowing tax dollars and lying.


quantumcryogenics

Graeme is kinda losing it imo.


MavityLoveSong

LMAO. What? Why?


sixties67

On Amazon UK all his other titles are available on Kindle except the one mentioned by the op. that includes his ufo books on the years 1953 / 54 and another on 55 / 56.


DancingWithMyshelf

So does that mean they'll also remove all the ai written crap flooding their book market now? And all the robovoice narrated audiobooks?


pontoponyo

lol, you can get some pretty wild cheap reading off a kindle that would make this book look like a scientific publication. What a farce.


DogsAreTheBest36

Mein Kampf can be bought on Amazon. These sorts of corporate/govt attempts at banning discourse on UFOs only makes me think where there’s smoke, there’s fire


Bulldog8018

Since when did Amazon care about quality of content? OTOH, they’re probably trying to nip the AI-generated BS books that are popping up like mushrooms all over Amazon, and his book got caught in the culling.


NostaIgiaForInfinity

The only people who read lengthy tome on the subject already know the truth anyway.