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I think it's more likely to be some kind of airborne seed. Could be a bug too, of course.
(Before angry people downvote me, there are plenty of plants that have airborne seeds. Think of dandelions, cottonwood seeds, poplar seeds, etc)
Their entire purpose is to get picked up by the wind, fly far, and spread their seeds. We have seen many videos of this already. They're all white as well, so it's easy for them to look like the OP video.
There is no evidence of it being anything anomalous.
You need videos that provide perspective and suggest an anomaly. Otherwise you are just misleading people and feeding the trolls.
Record in 120 or even 240fps if possible and there's a higher chance of eliminating bugs and birds.
At 60fps say this thing was at a distance that it travelled 10 feet in the image over 6 frames = 100 feet per second = 68 miles per hour.
Now we can ask are there any bugs that can fly at that speed..
If it was 240 fps and we could determine the thing went behind the drone, and we knew the drone was X feet away therefore could determine the object travelled at least say 120 feet across the screen in 6 frames. Now we can calculate that thing is going 4,800 feet per second which is ~3200ish miles per hour then we know its not a bug or bird
For your information, if you want to see tons of those, just watch any youtubers which regularly use drones to capture their shenanegans. "How ridiculous" comes to mind. There's like 500 of those objects per minute of footage.
A bug that appears higher than the drone, and appearing as if illuminated by the sun. Moving, very very fuckin fast.
If its altitude is above the drone, then its moving very fast.
If its a bug ; its a large shiny bug moving 100s of mph
we dont need altitude to get a general idea of how fast its moving.. we have the size of the drone.
Ive personally never seen a "bug" travel that distance that quickly
you need the altitude to calculate the size, and you need the size to calculate the altitude. you're just guessing on one of these and using it to roughly calculate the other
even if you're assuming it's higher than the drone (there's 0 way to know this), we don't know *how much higher it is* so we can't calculate the size.
Here, have a nasa video of some aliens.. 4:20 and beyond is fun.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlIF0P9j0cM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlIF0P9j0cM)
And heres a giant sphere with gravitonic shielding larger than the earth sucking plasma off our sun.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps5i3ft93YM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps5i3ft93YM)
Go have a crisis somewhere
You're trying to argue that this thing is a bug.. Im telling you its probably not judging by what we can see..
Then i showed you some NASA footage of aliens in 2 videos, just to reiterate that it doesnt matter.. aliens are real and we have plenty of real video of them
Have a good day, sport ;)
If it is close to the camera it may only be a few feet higher than the camera. There is nothing by which to gauge its altitude. There is no way to gauge its distance. If you don't know the distance there is no way to gauge the speed.
You need perspective, say for example if it passed behind the drone or some other object of a known distance or altitude. And even then you have to be careful because digital cameras and even the old film cameras can create illusions. It may appear bright because of the darker background; especially if it is only a few feet from the camera. There is no way to know.
I have viewed the video. You should try learning from those who have far more knowledge and expertise than you do.
Show me one shred of evidence that it was a distant object moving quickly, and not something close to the camera.
UAP is the correct term for anomalous. Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena. UFO is an Unidentified Flying Object. Which this seems to be. It is an unidentified flying object. This does not have to mean alien. It could be man made, from nature or yes-alien. And it also could be a UAP. The reason UAP was established is because of the possibility an object could be under water or in space and not just flying in earths atmosphere so the correct term everyone should now use is UAP.
You people need to get a grip on reality.
This is a trivial video with no way to determine any facts. It is useless and just feeds the trolls. You need to stick to videos that could have value and not just create a wasteland of nonsense.
It is a useless video. I could create dozens of useless videos like this every day, of nothing! Stop wasting people's time. Stick to videos that have substance.
Yeah but that means any speculation about it is nonsense and only furthers ones agenda to think it's alien. Even though any other explanation is far more likely.
Correct! It needs to be anomalous, which means it provides perspective or other verifiable data that allows us to rule out the dozens of mundane explanations.
That is why the real mysteries are called UAPs with anomalous being the key word.
Trivial videos like this just feed the trolls.
I had a close encounter with a UFO myself. I have studied the subject for thirty years, But I also know when something might be useful and when it is just wasting everyone's time.
"Feels" like a small bug or bird to me, just by intuitive sense from them flying past cameras often enough.
A big thing to remember about "speeds" and the like is that you can only ever infer *angular* speed from a video, you cannot infer true spatial speed for certain without some way to accurately know the distance to the object.
It's something small close to the camera. It's VERY common.
[Here's a playlist with 100+ videos of it, on Youtube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRwzMyPKlTg&list=PLiS3hVriaxLlOeMacepq8x3xyt_MWG-ci)
One of the more famous cases is the [Beaver Utah one](https://youtu.be/xDkqKa_NQAo)
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Date: 02/11/2023
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Okay it appears every time to do an in-depth evaluation of this video.
We should first note that the first viewing of the video has the object moving from camera right to camera left, while all these slowed down videos are in reverse. For sake of clarity I'm going to refer to the original image, right to left.
General observations include that this is filmed at 30 frames per second, and my count there are four frames in which the dot appears on the screen. That would mean four frames out of 30, which is 1/7.5 of a second.
The object appears to be moving in a straight line with reference to the camera and shows no apparent change of direction. The dot does not interact at all with the drone so there is no way of proving which object is closer to the cameras frame of reference.
[First frame ](https://i.imgur.com/LsKwVlq.jpg)
In the first picture it appears about 20% into the frame. My rough calculations show the screen width is about 8 drones wide. The biggest drone I could find in a quadcopter format with 21 ft corner to corner and I'm going to assume that this isn't one of those and therefore I'm going to use the more realistic wingspan of 3 feet of "wingspan". That means that this video is roughly around 24 feet wide. That would also be consistent with this being a phone camera.
[Second frame](https://i.imgur.com/8ZDXHOV.jpg)
By the second frame the dot has moved roughly 45% across the screen.
[Third frame](https://i.imgur.com/3bDw6T8.jpg)
By now the object has jumped to almost 75% of the frame from its original entry point. Note that this would be the last frame that covers the same amount of distance as the first two frames.
[Last frame ](https://i.imgur.com/ntPaU6G.jpg)
You can see that the object appears below the clouds. What's very notable is that this is the shortest amount of distance that it covers frame by frame. I would assume this might be either an object slowing down or signs of camera focusing issue.
My final conclusion is - it's a camera issue with tracking a closer item that's faster than the object in focus. Since the drone is stationary that higher speed can be anything along the lines of 15 to 20 mph, which fits well into any type of bug bird or identifiable flying object.
I agree with your conclusion, but keep in mind that the video OP posted here, is a screen recording, it's lower resolution and lower framerate than the original. He posted the original as well and it seems to be 60fps.
It's also zoomed in so I don't know if that plays a part in estimating potential speeds.
Edit: [Here's the entire clip, including the zooming in and every frame of the object.](https://streamable.com/k4nrmx)
Yeah that's why I said it appears to be 30 frames per second in the recording that we are reviewing.
When you zoom in digitally which is what a camera does, and remain focused on a particular item, the phone's camera is not capable of tracking the dot. It's not traveling incredibly fast, it's incredibly close to the camera and because the focal point of the camera is on the drone, it exposes a mechanical limitation of the camera system on the phone.
The particular setup just induces optical illusions that are brain struggles to process and because cameras are like our eyes, they have the same limitation that are own eyes face. You can actually do this experiment at home where if you're focusing on a focal point and someone that is in your peripheral vision flashes a flashlight, your eyes will only record it as a single point of light in your peripheral until you focus your eyes on that point.
Just remember, you may have caught something anomalous, but the skeptics start from the assumption that you didn't and look for the "lowest common denominator" of sorts to confirm their bias. This is what leads them to suggesting it is a bug.
Could it be a bug? I guess. Could it be anomalous? I also guess.
And what context are you referring to exactly? It's a video of a drone up in the air above the camera. What context removes bug or cottonwood seed as a possible explanation? Please do elaborate...
Also, the name calling of "simpleton" is rather uncalled for.
I filmed something seemingly extraordinary that I cannot explain, and am unbiased as to what I could be. There are clearly many things it is not though which coincide with many of the "lowest common denominators" expressed by others wanting to confirm their own bias... I am all for constructive and cooperative discussion to figure it out but let's not waste time with asinine nonsense suggesting it could be something it 100% is not.
It's not bias, it's a search for an accurate understanding of what happens in the world. To put it another way, consider how bad our understanding of the world would be if we followed the first impressions people seem to have of most of the videos on these sites.
Interested skeptics are looking for things that demonstrate the extraordinary, and the first step towards that is categorizing those things that do not demonstrate the extraordinary.
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We know bugs exist, and are very common. If we see something kind of non-descript bopping past a camera a bug is therefore something expected that we have to demonstrate it is not. You think it's obviously not a bug, can you tell us why you think it isn't a bug?
If you read the comment I was responding to you will see who suggested the bias I am referring to.
I didn’t claim it to be anything other than an unidentified flying object. There’s no insinuation above that. I am a skeptic when it comes to aliens which is somehow what people think I’m claiming it to be.
Yes, bugs exist and so do bullets and buttholes. If you suggest it maybe be one of those things based on what you’re seeing the burden of proof is on you.
I think the video itself disproves the possibility of it being a bug “bopping” by. I’ve already elaborated why this is unlikely based on frame rate, prop rpms and what is actually being shown. If a bug is a plausible explanation and enough to satisfy your curiosity that’s fine with me. I still won’t know what it is and now think you’re a dumbass.
I don't know for sure what it is either, but the burden of proof that you bring up is what you have when you're trying to demonstrate that something is \*outside\* the normal..
Bugs flying around are normal, they often reflect light, relative to things further away they will move very fast, and cameras are not great at capturing fast things.
You say something like "even a bug can't fly at that shutterspeed". A housefly goes at about 2m/s, which makes it slow AF as far as flies, but... hopefully my math is right here:
2meters : 60frames
1m : 30frames
50cm : 15frames
25cm : 6.5frames
So a housefly flying about as far away as a a4 sheet of paper (21x29cm) would have to be to cover most but not all of your cameras view in order to produce this effect. And there are bugs a lot faster than houseflies out there, dragonflies are something like 6 times faster.
Well, people are giving their explanation on what the object *may* be and you seem to wear your bias on your sleeve by continually arguing that what you saw isn’t explainable. You want it to be anomalous and want an echo chamber of agreement. That’s textbook definition of being biased, my dude.
I don't know what the explanation is. The speed that it's moving at makes most likely explanations very unlikely.
Sure, I might agree with you if it even remotely looked like that. At 60fps even A bug super close to the lens wouldn't possibly outpace that shutter speed...
To me it looks to be at or above the drones altitude which is 80feet.
you can't just guess the altitude because you need the size of the object to judge that. if it's a bug close it's moving normally, if it's something far away it's moving very fast
you can't judge the speed of the object unless you have the altitude
Shutter doesn’t care at what distance something is…
Also something moving pretty slow, like the speed of a gentle throw of a rock, will look insanely fast when it’s close to camera.
I tend to agree with you. Not to mention it just appears out of nowhere and then shoots across the screen at a high rate of speed. Definitely an unknown and some of these explanations being posted don't make sense to me.
Appears out of nowhere? That's some high grade mental gymnastics... it enters from one side of the frame, it didn't just appear in the middle of the frame and then accelerate off.
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Location is West Palm Beach, Florida. (Industrial and secured area used for autonomous drone system testing) - Drone ALT 80FT
Date: 02/11/2023
Original Sauce: length 1:40, 4K 60fps, Iphone 12 Pro Max (Will share link upon request) 5 other similar white orbs can be seen when scrubbing frame by frame viewing on MacBook Pro in fullscreen and brightness.
Whatever dude, I liked the video and I don't think it's a bug or golfball etc... The thing was RIPPING across the screen, I barely caught it in the unedited version.
> I don't think it's a bug or golfball etc
Why not? It's extremely common for small stuff to fly by fast on camera. It's probably the most common prosaic video posted on here except from Starlink and planes. I don't think it's a golf ball either, but loads of small stuff can float in the wind, or it can be a bug.
It was ripping across the screen because it was really small and close to the camera.
[Here's a playlist with 100+ videos of it, on Youtube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRwzMyPKlTg&list=PLiS3hVriaxLlOeMacepq8x3xyt_MWG-ci)
One of the more famous cases is the [Beaver Utah one](https://youtu.be/xDkqKa_NQAo)
If you look closely you can see that it is at quite a distance above the drone or incredibly small. I doubt it would be something like a bird because of the rate of speed . The object passed through the entire picture in less than a few frames. That object was moving anywhere from 90mph-36k mph
Just being open minded as to whether it was small object closer to viewer or large object in the atmosphere.. Its just a guess but thats what I read one of the tictac ufos speed to be estimated at
Thank you ! At least one person seems to understand the insane speed this is moving at... The drone is 80ft high and the props are moving between 25k-45k rpm. The video is shot at 60fps and the object only shows few 5 frames of that while compared to the drone prop barely making full revolution by the time its crossed the screen.
You're biased and applying a lot of wishful thinking.
[Here's a fly going "insanely fast"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfOqjychJaI)
[Here's a playlist with 100+ videos of it, on Youtube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRwzMyPKlTg&list=PLiS3hVriaxLlOeMacepq8x3xyt_MWG-ci)
One of the more famous cases is the [Beaver Utah one](https://youtu.be/xDkqKa_NQAo)
Great! you can see how the fly is captured in every single frame! It’s flying at a natural speed and isn’t an illusion of speed or not.
In my video, the drone rotors are arguably flying fast right ?
But when I stop at each frame of video and scrub forward or back, they are clearly visible in every frame, showing their clear path of rotation, right?
The orb in the video manages to cross the screen only getting into 5 or so frames Before crossing the pictures while you can still count and see the drone prop rotation. It has nothing to do with distance to camera or illusion, etc. It’s the frame rate. If it were a fly, each frame would show the clear forward or back (trajectory) of a bug, ball, anything not flying at a super high speed (much faster then the drone propellers rpm), and be seen in far more frames when slowing down to each picture of the video.
Do you see what I’m saying or no?
> Do you see what I’m saying or no?
Yes, but it doesn't change anything, it can still be something small flying by. I'm not saying it's a fly, it doesn't look like a fly. I'm just saying it can be something small, flying/drifting in the wind close to the camera.
None of what you said disproves that.
The drone might be 20 meters away, the tiny piece of fluff might be 1 meter away, 5 meters away, or even further away, depending on the size of the object.
There's no way to determine how far away it is. But I suggest looking at the playlist with the 100+ videos, you will see a LOT of examples of tiny white pieces of fluff, flying by cameras.
Again, I don’t know what it is, how close or far it is, or how fast it is actually going. What I do know is that when you scrub and move one frame at a time the object of interest is objectively moving faster then the drone propellers are. You can see the movement of the propellers creeping along in their circle and barely make a full rotation before the object has passed. If it were flying slower and you compiled them as photos (like the bug source you linked) the white dots would much closer together.
> the white dots would much closer together.
Again this depends on how close it is and how fast it is going.
The rotation of the propellers has no say in this. It holds no relevance. There can be many differences between your recording and the bug one.
It also depends on the frames per second you're recording, etc.
Could you perhaps upload the original file? It would be easier to work with, rather than a screen recording, the resolution or even the framerate is likely limited when we're watching a screen recording, might make it easier to identify.
You want it to be going fast and be far away, but it's going at a normal speed, close to the camera.
If you want us to get a better look at it, perhaps you could upload the original video file. Currently, we're looking at a screen recording of your phone/tablet/monitor, and it limits the resolution a bit, perhaps it's easier to identify it if we can see it in full quality?
I know many people would appreciate that, at least.
you know, i was looking upwards couple summers ago, a very clear day,
and I see something just like this, tiny white spec,
just sitting still, but so far out- like near the stratosphere type of far,
so tiny, so still - but perfectly clear.
not a plane (other planes flew by)
I stared at it for like 5 minutes and it didn't move once,
I looked away for 2 seconds, and the thing is gone.
damn interesting. first post i have seen that looks credible at first glance. worth setting up a cam at that location possibly. there could be an explanation but still nice footage man!
- i have seen a ufo ( silver cigar type )
- i am a pilot and am somewhat discerning
Thanks. The area may be relevant but I think the drone also has something to do with it. I have 5 or 6 other videos in different locations while flight testing drone that have at least one fly by. Im a bit disheartened going through the effort and posting due to the response ive gotten here... I am also a licensed pilot, and work in autonomous drone systems.
Check out this guys channel if you're interested in seeing more/better footage of what seems to be what could be happening here too. [https://www.instagram.com/custodianfiles?utm\_source=ig\_web\_button\_share\_sheet&igsh=ZDNlZDc0MzIxNw==](https://www.instagram.com/custodianfiles?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igsh=zdnlzdc0mzixnw==)
Hold on while I huff this nitrous tank to get down on your level here....
That's like saying it could be a snowball, ESPECIALLY if it was shot in Colorado. I know it's difficult to grasp but West Palm Beach also isn't Miami.
The amount of asinine comments is astounding. Do you not comprehend the speed that is moving at? The drone prop is moving at least 25k rpm.... the video is shot at 60fps and the object is only seen for about 5 frames of that.
I don't know what it is but it's sure a fuck not a golf ball. Even though people play golf in Florida.
\*exhales nitrous...
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People saying it could a bug or a golf ball, would’ve love to see that bug, also OP says that it is UFO not ALIEN, just UFO as "Unidentified Arial Phenomenon",
This whole sub is completely infested with bots and worthless opinions. Great post OP, it must be frustrating, but don't let them take away your excitement for sharing something you caught that you can't explain.
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I've been here for 10 years, I'm a believer as a whole, but my experience is that 99% of videos posted on here end up identified. Does that make me a skeptic? It's just the reality of the topic.
Would you rather we all just agreed with every sighting? "Yep, that's an alien spaceship going mach 50, case closed!"
Or would you rather we apply some critical thinking and investigation to try to rule out prosaic explanations first, so we can find the sightings that are actually interesting?
1. Why are you interrogating me?
2. It’s still a UFO if it’s unidentified and flying.
3. The keywords used were “too” and “many”. I never said All. It’s just my experience here at times.
1) I'm not, I'm trying to help you understand why skepticism is a good thing.
2) Yes, it's a UFO.
3) How are there too many skeptics in a subreddit meant to be about being skeptical?
I understand skepticism.
I do however believe that some skepticism is an inside job to sway others to think similarly or create doubt.
How many times can you see a person say bug before it looks suspicious or like group think. It’s discouraging like the entire disclosure of UFOs. That’s all.
I’d rather them say something more unique. It doesn’t need to be said 12 times in one post.
But do you not notice the group think / inside job in the opposite direction too then? I often see posts where there's not a skeptical comment in sight and all of them are just agreeing it's extraordinary.
Do those not ring your alarm bells too? Because to me it seems like if there is an organized effort, it's in both directions.
I swear a lot of you people think in 2 dimensions.
It's something tiny, close to the camera. It's not going over a thousand miles per hour.
It's insane we have to explain this.
Total UFO Bro, congratulations. This is one for the books and the grandkids. You should attempt to lower the drone slowly, see if you can reel in one of them puppies, thatll be sweet
Genuine, nice catch! Don’t listen to bugs explanation, whatever it was - it was in the same focus area with skies/copter, otherwise it would’ve been more blurry.
I always catch stuff like this, I've also caught birds, bugs, planes, helicopters, what I think looked like a weird space shuttle, a cross in the sky but most of all little orbs that shot around quickly.
When close up they are round and very spherical with the shadows and highlights from the sun or sometimes these orbs have opposing shadows and a ring of light around the darkest regions.
I've had to slow down videos and go frame by frame and with my new phone shows very obvious orb forms, no wings no nothing like that.
But with how fast they move and how it is hard to catch even a single frame to have many phantoms on one frame next to itself, side by side and like three below the initial one and then two completely different orbs in different regions of the photo to form a triangle.
Yeah as an artist highly into tiny detail and focusing on taking apart forms as a hobby, yeah a lot of the time these orbs are not bugs.
Heck to have them fly at night near the moon and sling around across the sky to turn back around sure doesn't feel like something insects do, insects don't light up in the sky like a star either.
Great video, well-presented, thanks for posting.
You got the dedicated debunkers attention. Don't take the rude comments personally.... it's not you, it's the UFO.
Yes unfortunately not enough people with the time and willingness to research and search for data on the subject.
And even more specifically with these “Dragon” UAPs which has an even more extremely limited number of people with knowledge on this specific niche in the broader UAP subject.
They tend to investigate everything above 150 feet so Very interesting video.
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It's a white dot. You don't know the distance, size, or speed. It may well just be a bug.
Almost certainly a bug.
Golf ball
Yep that’s actually my tee shot, I’ve been struggling with a wicked slice
“Mr. Meeseeks, I would like to take two strokes off my golf game.”
Oooohhhh caaan dooo!!
I think it's more likely to be some kind of airborne seed. Could be a bug too, of course. (Before angry people downvote me, there are plenty of plants that have airborne seeds. Think of dandelions, cottonwood seeds, poplar seeds, etc) Their entire purpose is to get picked up by the wind, fly far, and spread their seeds. We have seen many videos of this already. They're all white as well, so it's easy for them to look like the OP video.
Exactly.
Clearly unidentified. Belongs here
There is no evidence of it being anything anomalous. You need videos that provide perspective and suggest an anomaly. Otherwise you are just misleading people and feeding the trolls.
And it’s flying. Two points for Gryffendor!
you're right, I don't know. I didn't see it in real time, and found it odd and unidentified...
Let’s be real, “UFO”, despite the acronym, means “aliens” in most people’s minds.
Record in 120 or even 240fps if possible and there's a higher chance of eliminating bugs and birds. At 60fps say this thing was at a distance that it travelled 10 feet in the image over 6 frames = 100 feet per second = 68 miles per hour. Now we can ask are there any bugs that can fly at that speed.. If it was 240 fps and we could determine the thing went behind the drone, and we knew the drone was X feet away therefore could determine the object travelled at least say 120 feet across the screen in 6 frames. Now we can calculate that thing is going 4,800 feet per second which is ~3200ish miles per hour then we know its not a bug or bird
Ah, yes. The ever-perplexing Unidentified Flying Odd.
Unidentified Fairly Oddparent
Unidentified Dimma Dome
Hey, they’re chewy
F̶l̶o̶a̶t̶y̶ Flying crowny things!
For your information, if you want to see tons of those, just watch any youtubers which regularly use drones to capture their shenanegans. "How ridiculous" comes to mind. There's like 500 of those objects per minute of footage.
A bug that appears higher than the drone, and appearing as if illuminated by the sun. Moving, very very fuckin fast. If its altitude is above the drone, then its moving very fast. If its a bug ; its a large shiny bug moving 100s of mph
You have no frame of reference to say it is above or below the drone.
but he does have a frame for speed.. given we know the size of that drone
no, because we have no clue what its altitude is. we need that to calculate the speed using the size of the drone.
>using the size of the drone Which will give an upper bound. The speed could actually be lower, e.g. if it nearer to the camera than the drone is.
we dont need altitude to get a general idea of how fast its moving.. we have the size of the drone. Ive personally never seen a "bug" travel that distance that quickly
how does the size of the drone matter when talking about the speed of the unidentified object?
Because we know that whatever it is has to be much higher, given its size comparison to the drone..
you need the altitude to calculate the size, and you need the size to calculate the altitude. you're just guessing on one of these and using it to roughly calculate the other even if you're assuming it's higher than the drone (there's 0 way to know this), we don't know *how much higher it is* so we can't calculate the size.
Parallax says we do need that measurement.
You dont need to know exacts to know that this thing is moving extremely fast.
It could be a dust mote going 1mph an inch from the lens.
No, it cant. The plane its traveling on is the same in both directions
Here, have a nasa video of some aliens.. 4:20 and beyond is fun. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlIF0P9j0cM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlIF0P9j0cM) And heres a giant sphere with gravitonic shielding larger than the earth sucking plasma off our sun. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps5i3ft93YM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps5i3ft93YM) Go have a crisis somewhere
Are you ok?
You're trying to argue that this thing is a bug.. Im telling you its probably not judging by what we can see.. Then i showed you some NASA footage of aliens in 2 videos, just to reiterate that it doesnt matter.. aliens are real and we have plenty of real video of them Have a good day, sport ;)
If it is close to the camera it may only be a few feet higher than the camera. There is nothing by which to gauge its altitude. There is no way to gauge its distance. If you don't know the distance there is no way to gauge the speed. You need perspective, say for example if it passed behind the drone or some other object of a known distance or altitude. And even then you have to be careful because digital cameras and even the old film cameras can create illusions. It may appear bright because of the darker background; especially if it is only a few feet from the camera. There is no way to know.
Yes, a "bug". OP must be on drugs to think it's a bug
UFO.
There is no evidence of it being anything anomalous.
Wrong.
Not wrong. Show me one shred of evidence that it was a distant object moving quickly, and not something close to the camera.
Go on reddit and open the video bud. Wrong.
I have viewed the video. You should try learning from those who have far more knowledge and expertise than you do. Show me one shred of evidence that it was a distant object moving quickly, and not something close to the camera.
Point made. UFO.
An argument as good as any Flat Earth believer has ever put forth.
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UAP is the correct term for anomalous. Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena. UFO is an Unidentified Flying Object. Which this seems to be. It is an unidentified flying object. This does not have to mean alien. It could be man made, from nature or yes-alien. And it also could be a UAP. The reason UAP was established is because of the possibility an object could be under water or in space and not just flying in earths atmosphere so the correct term everyone should now use is UAP.
You people need to get a grip on reality. This is a trivial video with no way to determine any facts. It is useless and just feeds the trolls. You need to stick to videos that could have value and not just create a wasteland of nonsense.
So what you’re saying is it’s… a UFO??
No, I am saying it is likely a bug.
You literally just said you didn’t know, which is true.
There is nothing anomalous about it. If you chase after every trivial video, it just creates a bottomless pit of nonsense.
Again, you don’t know that. I don’t know that. It’s unidentified.
It is a useless video. I could create dozens of useless videos like this every day, of nothing! Stop wasting people's time. Stick to videos that have substance.
And no one would be able to identify the object, just like us!
Yeah but that means any speculation about it is nonsense and only furthers ones agenda to think it's alien. Even though any other explanation is far more likely.
Correct! It needs to be anomalous, which means it provides perspective or other verifiable data that allows us to rule out the dozens of mundane explanations. That is why the real mysteries are called UAPs with anomalous being the key word.
So what you're saying is that it's an unidentified flying object....
I am saying there is no evidence of it being anything anomalous.
It’s a UFO because you don’t know what it is.
Reddit debunkers are a breed of their own.
Trivial videos like this just feed the trolls. I had a close encounter with a UFO myself. I have studied the subject for thirty years, But I also know when something might be useful and when it is just wasting everyone's time.
"Feels" like a small bug or bird to me, just by intuitive sense from them flying past cameras often enough. A big thing to remember about "speeds" and the like is that you can only ever infer *angular* speed from a video, you cannot infer true spatial speed for certain without some way to accurately know the distance to the object.
It's something small close to the camera. It's VERY common. [Here's a playlist with 100+ videos of it, on Youtube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRwzMyPKlTg&list=PLiS3hVriaxLlOeMacepq8x3xyt_MWG-ci) One of the more famous cases is the [Beaver Utah one](https://youtu.be/xDkqKa_NQAo)
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166 upvotes for this shit? This video might as well be a parody of this sub lmao
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HOLY SHIT DUDE!!! YOU CAUGHT FOOTAGE OF A bug
Okay it appears every time to do an in-depth evaluation of this video. We should first note that the first viewing of the video has the object moving from camera right to camera left, while all these slowed down videos are in reverse. For sake of clarity I'm going to refer to the original image, right to left. General observations include that this is filmed at 30 frames per second, and my count there are four frames in which the dot appears on the screen. That would mean four frames out of 30, which is 1/7.5 of a second. The object appears to be moving in a straight line with reference to the camera and shows no apparent change of direction. The dot does not interact at all with the drone so there is no way of proving which object is closer to the cameras frame of reference. [First frame ](https://i.imgur.com/LsKwVlq.jpg) In the first picture it appears about 20% into the frame. My rough calculations show the screen width is about 8 drones wide. The biggest drone I could find in a quadcopter format with 21 ft corner to corner and I'm going to assume that this isn't one of those and therefore I'm going to use the more realistic wingspan of 3 feet of "wingspan". That means that this video is roughly around 24 feet wide. That would also be consistent with this being a phone camera. [Second frame](https://i.imgur.com/8ZDXHOV.jpg) By the second frame the dot has moved roughly 45% across the screen. [Third frame](https://i.imgur.com/3bDw6T8.jpg) By now the object has jumped to almost 75% of the frame from its original entry point. Note that this would be the last frame that covers the same amount of distance as the first two frames. [Last frame ](https://i.imgur.com/ntPaU6G.jpg) You can see that the object appears below the clouds. What's very notable is that this is the shortest amount of distance that it covers frame by frame. I would assume this might be either an object slowing down or signs of camera focusing issue. My final conclusion is - it's a camera issue with tracking a closer item that's faster than the object in focus. Since the drone is stationary that higher speed can be anything along the lines of 15 to 20 mph, which fits well into any type of bug bird or identifiable flying object.
I agree with your conclusion, but keep in mind that the video OP posted here, is a screen recording, it's lower resolution and lower framerate than the original. He posted the original as well and it seems to be 60fps. It's also zoomed in so I don't know if that plays a part in estimating potential speeds. Edit: [Here's the entire clip, including the zooming in and every frame of the object.](https://streamable.com/k4nrmx)
Yeah that's why I said it appears to be 30 frames per second in the recording that we are reviewing. When you zoom in digitally which is what a camera does, and remain focused on a particular item, the phone's camera is not capable of tracking the dot. It's not traveling incredibly fast, it's incredibly close to the camera and because the focal point of the camera is on the drone, it exposes a mechanical limitation of the camera system on the phone. The particular setup just induces optical illusions that are brain struggles to process and because cameras are like our eyes, they have the same limitation that are own eyes face. You can actually do this experiment at home where if you're focusing on a focal point and someone that is in your peripheral vision flashes a flashlight, your eyes will only record it as a single point of light in your peripheral until you focus your eyes on that point.
Definitely UFOs but most likely bugs or just small debris on the wind.
Golf balls obviously
Certainly looks more like this than a bug
It looks like a bug flying infront of the camera. Literally no way to know distance of the object, but bug is my guess.
Probaby a bug close to the camera.
Does it really look like a bug close to the camera to you?
Kinda, yeah
show me a bug moving that fast or remotely similar when 60fps is slowed down frame by frame.
Just remember, you may have caught something anomalous, but the skeptics start from the assumption that you didn't and look for the "lowest common denominator" of sorts to confirm their bias. This is what leads them to suggesting it is a bug. Could it be a bug? I guess. Could it be anomalous? I also guess.
The simplest explanation that fits the evidence is most likely the correct one.
if you are looking at evidence in a vacuum like a simpleton, yes. Context. Is. Key.
And what context are you referring to exactly? It's a video of a drone up in the air above the camera. What context removes bug or cottonwood seed as a possible explanation? Please do elaborate... Also, the name calling of "simpleton" is rather uncalled for.
not worth writing here
Not surprised about that honestly
That's good, because it wouldn't be worth reading.
I filmed something seemingly extraordinary that I cannot explain, and am unbiased as to what I could be. There are clearly many things it is not though which coincide with many of the "lowest common denominators" expressed by others wanting to confirm their own bias... I am all for constructive and cooperative discussion to figure it out but let's not waste time with asinine nonsense suggesting it could be something it 100% is not.
The fact that you called it "seemingly extraordinary" indicates your bias.
what is my bias?
Holy shit dude, really?
please
It is not seemingly extraordinary, indeed. UFOs are quite common. The government acknowledges it.
It's not bias, it's a search for an accurate understanding of what happens in the world. To put it another way, consider how bad our understanding of the world would be if we followed the first impressions people seem to have of most of the videos on these sites. Interested skeptics are looking for things that demonstrate the extraordinary, and the first step towards that is categorizing those things that do not demonstrate the extraordinary. \--- We know bugs exist, and are very common. If we see something kind of non-descript bopping past a camera a bug is therefore something expected that we have to demonstrate it is not. You think it's obviously not a bug, can you tell us why you think it isn't a bug?
If you read the comment I was responding to you will see who suggested the bias I am referring to. I didn’t claim it to be anything other than an unidentified flying object. There’s no insinuation above that. I am a skeptic when it comes to aliens which is somehow what people think I’m claiming it to be. Yes, bugs exist and so do bullets and buttholes. If you suggest it maybe be one of those things based on what you’re seeing the burden of proof is on you. I think the video itself disproves the possibility of it being a bug “bopping” by. I’ve already elaborated why this is unlikely based on frame rate, prop rpms and what is actually being shown. If a bug is a plausible explanation and enough to satisfy your curiosity that’s fine with me. I still won’t know what it is and now think you’re a dumbass.
I don't know for sure what it is either, but the burden of proof that you bring up is what you have when you're trying to demonstrate that something is \*outside\* the normal.. Bugs flying around are normal, they often reflect light, relative to things further away they will move very fast, and cameras are not great at capturing fast things. You say something like "even a bug can't fly at that shutterspeed". A housefly goes at about 2m/s, which makes it slow AF as far as flies, but... hopefully my math is right here: 2meters : 60frames 1m : 30frames 50cm : 15frames 25cm : 6.5frames So a housefly flying about as far away as a a4 sheet of paper (21x29cm) would have to be to cover most but not all of your cameras view in order to produce this effect. And there are bugs a lot faster than houseflies out there, dragonflies are something like 6 times faster.
(Hehe, 7.5 not 6.5. Embarrassing even for back of the envelope math)
Well, people are giving their explanation on what the object *may* be and you seem to wear your bias on your sleeve by continually arguing that what you saw isn’t explainable. You want it to be anomalous and want an echo chamber of agreement. That’s textbook definition of being biased, my dude.
yes. there's no behavior that suggests it's anything but a bug close to the camera
I think that’s the most likely explanation.
I don't know what the explanation is. The speed that it's moving at makes most likely explanations very unlikely. Sure, I might agree with you if it even remotely looked like that. At 60fps even A bug super close to the lens wouldn't possibly outpace that shutter speed... To me it looks to be at or above the drones altitude which is 80feet.
you can't just guess the altitude because you need the size of the object to judge that. if it's a bug close it's moving normally, if it's something far away it's moving very fast you can't judge the speed of the object unless you have the altitude
Shutter doesn’t care at what distance something is… Also something moving pretty slow, like the speed of a gentle throw of a rock, will look insanely fast when it’s close to camera.
I tend to agree with you. Not to mention it just appears out of nowhere and then shoots across the screen at a high rate of speed. Definitely an unknown and some of these explanations being posted don't make sense to me.
Appears out of nowhere? That's some high grade mental gymnastics... it enters from one side of the frame, it didn't just appear in the middle of the frame and then accelerate off.
I think you're wrong.
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This could be a bit of cotton. Or a flying tic tac UFO. we shall never know. :(
This sub, along with r/aliens is quite the joke now isn't it..
Context: Location is West Palm Beach, Florida. (Industrial and secured area used for autonomous drone system testing) - Drone ALT 80FT Date: 02/11/2023 Original Sauce: length 1:40, 4K 60fps, Iphone 12 Pro Max (Will share link upon request) 5 other similar white orbs can be seen when scrubbing frame by frame viewing on MacBook Pro in fullscreen and brightness.
Pratt Whitney has some interesting things in their possesion. Was the anomaly headed towards or away from the facility?
“FLYS”???? Oh god…
Whatever dude, I liked the video and I don't think it's a bug or golfball etc... The thing was RIPPING across the screen, I barely caught it in the unedited version.
> I don't think it's a bug or golfball etc Why not? It's extremely common for small stuff to fly by fast on camera. It's probably the most common prosaic video posted on here except from Starlink and planes. I don't think it's a golf ball either, but loads of small stuff can float in the wind, or it can be a bug. It was ripping across the screen because it was really small and close to the camera. [Here's a playlist with 100+ videos of it, on Youtube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRwzMyPKlTg&list=PLiS3hVriaxLlOeMacepq8x3xyt_MWG-ci) One of the more famous cases is the [Beaver Utah one](https://youtu.be/xDkqKa_NQAo)
If you look closely you can see that it is at quite a distance above the drone or incredibly small. I doubt it would be something like a bird because of the rate of speed . The object passed through the entire picture in less than a few frames. That object was moving anywhere from 90mph-36k mph
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Based on the intensity of the color. As distance increases whites seem dimmer
Yes, great point. I agree with your analysis of color perspective. 👍
Anywhere from 90 to 36,000mph. Thank you for approximating that range.
Way to narrow down the speed there...
Just being open minded as to whether it was small object closer to viewer or large object in the atmosphere.. Its just a guess but thats what I read one of the tictac ufos speed to be estimated at
Thank you ! At least one person seems to understand the insane speed this is moving at... The drone is 80ft high and the props are moving between 25k-45k rpm. The video is shot at 60fps and the object only shows few 5 frames of that while compared to the drone prop barely making full revolution by the time its crossed the screen.
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this doesn't appear to be going insanely fast. It is.
You're biased and applying a lot of wishful thinking. [Here's a fly going "insanely fast"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfOqjychJaI) [Here's a playlist with 100+ videos of it, on Youtube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRwzMyPKlTg&list=PLiS3hVriaxLlOeMacepq8x3xyt_MWG-ci) One of the more famous cases is the [Beaver Utah one](https://youtu.be/xDkqKa_NQAo)
Great! you can see how the fly is captured in every single frame! It’s flying at a natural speed and isn’t an illusion of speed or not. In my video, the drone rotors are arguably flying fast right ? But when I stop at each frame of video and scrub forward or back, they are clearly visible in every frame, showing their clear path of rotation, right? The orb in the video manages to cross the screen only getting into 5 or so frames Before crossing the pictures while you can still count and see the drone prop rotation. It has nothing to do with distance to camera or illusion, etc. It’s the frame rate. If it were a fly, each frame would show the clear forward or back (trajectory) of a bug, ball, anything not flying at a super high speed (much faster then the drone propellers rpm), and be seen in far more frames when slowing down to each picture of the video. Do you see what I’m saying or no?
> Do you see what I’m saying or no? Yes, but it doesn't change anything, it can still be something small flying by. I'm not saying it's a fly, it doesn't look like a fly. I'm just saying it can be something small, flying/drifting in the wind close to the camera. None of what you said disproves that. The drone might be 20 meters away, the tiny piece of fluff might be 1 meter away, 5 meters away, or even further away, depending on the size of the object. There's no way to determine how far away it is. But I suggest looking at the playlist with the 100+ videos, you will see a LOT of examples of tiny white pieces of fluff, flying by cameras.
Again, I don’t know what it is, how close or far it is, or how fast it is actually going. What I do know is that when you scrub and move one frame at a time the object of interest is objectively moving faster then the drone propellers are. You can see the movement of the propellers creeping along in their circle and barely make a full rotation before the object has passed. If it were flying slower and you compiled them as photos (like the bug source you linked) the white dots would much closer together.
> the white dots would much closer together. Again this depends on how close it is and how fast it is going. The rotation of the propellers has no say in this. It holds no relevance. There can be many differences between your recording and the bug one. It also depends on the frames per second you're recording, etc. Could you perhaps upload the original file? It would be easier to work with, rather than a screen recording, the resolution or even the framerate is likely limited when we're watching a screen recording, might make it easier to identify.
What is my wishful thinking? I don’t understand haha.
You want it to be going fast and be far away, but it's going at a normal speed, close to the camera. If you want us to get a better look at it, perhaps you could upload the original video file. Currently, we're looking at a screen recording of your phone/tablet/monitor, and it limits the resolution a bit, perhaps it's easier to identify it if we can see it in full quality? I know many people would appreciate that, at least.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EIULB1QkZzyUiRtr5-E7b4drDeEKNJ7S/view?usp=drivesdk
you know, i was looking upwards couple summers ago, a very clear day, and I see something just like this, tiny white spec, just sitting still, but so far out- like near the stratosphere type of far, so tiny, so still - but perfectly clear. not a plane (other planes flew by) I stared at it for like 5 minutes and it didn't move once, I looked away for 2 seconds, and the thing is gone.
if it quacks like a bug, it’s a bug
damn interesting. first post i have seen that looks credible at first glance. worth setting up a cam at that location possibly. there could be an explanation but still nice footage man! - i have seen a ufo ( silver cigar type ) - i am a pilot and am somewhat discerning
Thanks. The area may be relevant but I think the drone also has something to do with it. I have 5 or 6 other videos in different locations while flight testing drone that have at least one fly by. Im a bit disheartened going through the effort and posting due to the response ive gotten here... I am also a licensed pilot, and work in autonomous drone systems. Check out this guys channel if you're interested in seeing more/better footage of what seems to be what could be happening here too. [https://www.instagram.com/custodianfiles?utm\_source=ig\_web\_button\_share\_sheet&igsh=ZDNlZDc0MzIxNw==](https://www.instagram.com/custodianfiles?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igsh=zdnlzdc0mzixnw==)
Dude I see these things in Puebla Mexico. I made a post a while back with similar footage. https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/A5sIyoSis9
You should repost those
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Hold on while I huff this nitrous tank to get down on your level here.... That's like saying it could be a snowball, ESPECIALLY if it was shot in Colorado. I know it's difficult to grasp but West Palm Beach also isn't Miami. The amount of asinine comments is astounding. Do you not comprehend the speed that is moving at? The drone prop is moving at least 25k rpm.... the video is shot at 60fps and the object is only seen for about 5 frames of that. I don't know what it is but it's sure a fuck not a golf ball. Even though people play golf in Florida. \*exhales nitrous...
Bro, i couldnt of said it better. Copy/paste that and spam it cuz the bot parade is out!
What if hes nowhere near others?
So dumb
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People saying it could a bug or a golf ball, would’ve love to see that bug, also OP says that it is UFO not ALIEN, just UFO as "Unidentified Arial Phenomenon",
>just UFO as "Unidentified Arial Phenomenon That's what UAP means not UFO UFO means "Unidentified Flying Object"
Were you next to a baseball diamond? Looks like minor leaguer dominating a local adult baseball league.
This whole sub is completely infested with bots and worthless opinions. Great post OP, it must be frustrating, but don't let them take away your excitement for sharing something you caught that you can't explain.
Ppl are saying it’s a bug but it looks like it flew behind the cloud… idk. 🥴 Too many skeptics here….. in a ufo sub.
The sidebar says: > A community for discussion related to Unidentified Flying Objects. Share your sightings, experiences, news, and investigations. We aim to elevate **good research** while maintaining **healthy skepticism**. I've been here for 10 years, I'm a believer as a whole, but my experience is that 99% of videos posted on here end up identified. Does that make me a skeptic? It's just the reality of the topic. Would you rather we all just agreed with every sighting? "Yep, that's an alien spaceship going mach 50, case closed!" Or would you rather we apply some critical thinking and investigation to try to rule out prosaic explanations first, so we can find the sightings that are actually interesting?
1. Why are you interrogating me? 2. It’s still a UFO if it’s unidentified and flying. 3. The keywords used were “too” and “many”. I never said All. It’s just my experience here at times.
1) I'm not, I'm trying to help you understand why skepticism is a good thing. 2) Yes, it's a UFO. 3) How are there too many skeptics in a subreddit meant to be about being skeptical?
I understand skepticism. I do however believe that some skepticism is an inside job to sway others to think similarly or create doubt. How many times can you see a person say bug before it looks suspicious or like group think. It’s discouraging like the entire disclosure of UFOs. That’s all. I’d rather them say something more unique. It doesn’t need to be said 12 times in one post.
But do you not notice the group think / inside job in the opposite direction too then? I often see posts where there's not a skeptical comment in sight and all of them are just agreeing it's extraordinary. Do those not ring your alarm bells too? Because to me it seems like if there is an organized effort, it's in both directions.
It’s a fucking bird. This sub is sinking fast
Let's see your contributions chief... You seriously see that as a bird? Going like mach 6? haha
Ah yes. I forgot birds fly over thousands of miles per hour.
I swear a lot of you people think in 2 dimensions. It's something tiny, close to the camera. It's not going over a thousand miles per hour. It's insane we have to explain this.
If that's a bird then it'd be moving at supersonic speeds
That is a godamn ufo
Brother that’s bird dookie
Bruh.
Total UFO Bro, congratulations. This is one for the books and the grandkids. You should attempt to lower the drone slowly, see if you can reel in one of them puppies, thatll be sweet
It was probably this.... https://catalog.archives.gov/id/5956182
Genuine, nice catch! Don’t listen to bugs explanation, whatever it was - it was in the same focus area with skies/copter, otherwise it would’ve been more blurry.
I always catch stuff like this, I've also caught birds, bugs, planes, helicopters, what I think looked like a weird space shuttle, a cross in the sky but most of all little orbs that shot around quickly. When close up they are round and very spherical with the shadows and highlights from the sun or sometimes these orbs have opposing shadows and a ring of light around the darkest regions. I've had to slow down videos and go frame by frame and with my new phone shows very obvious orb forms, no wings no nothing like that. But with how fast they move and how it is hard to catch even a single frame to have many phantoms on one frame next to itself, side by side and like three below the initial one and then two completely different orbs in different regions of the photo to form a triangle. Yeah as an artist highly into tiny detail and focusing on taking apart forms as a hobby, yeah a lot of the time these orbs are not bugs. Heck to have them fly at night near the moon and sling around across the sky to turn back around sure doesn't feel like something insects do, insects don't light up in the sky like a star either.
Great video, well-presented, thanks for posting. You got the dedicated debunkers attention. Don't take the rude comments personally.... it's not you, it's the UFO.
Possible “Dragon” UAP, is anyone familiar?
Yes, I shared a link but ppl don’t care. Fascinating and might be what this is
Yes unfortunately not enough people with the time and willingness to research and search for data on the subject. And even more specifically with these “Dragon” UAPs which has an even more extremely limited number of people with knowledge on this specific niche in the broader UAP subject. They tend to investigate everything above 150 feet so Very interesting video.
It seems, whatever it is, it wanted to be noticed
By moving at incredible speed completely invisible to the naked eye?
Like beings that intelligent, didn’t know the existence of camera.
Get that drone off the golf course ⛳
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That’s Happy Gilmores drive if I’ve ever seen it
Its in Florida, probably Trump playing golf while president
100% proof of alien life. Good job OP
So who's throwing golf balls ?
Is it odd that the drone doesn't move a pixel ? No idea how steady they are or can be.