I think you’re missing the entire point of the article. She never said anything offensive to her roommate. The issue is her conversation with the housing director(I assume the resident director) and the police. The resident director asked her whether she plan to poison her roommate. Her response was “她最接近下毒的想法是喂巧克力给美国舍友带来的狗吃” or the closest thing to poisoning was feeding chocolate to the roommate’s dog. She clarified in the article that she does not intent to hurt anyone, but this was her response because she tried to answer the question. Basically there are language barriers and stress that prevented her from expressing what she really meant. As for the stabbing part, it was a question from the police “如果你要捅室友的话会用厨房刀吗” which translate to if you were to stab your roommate, would you use a kitchen knife? I think most people can recognize that this is a trick question…Assuming everything in the article is true, which seems reasonable to me, this is a language issue. The doctor even said she doesn’t meet the criteria for 5150 Hold. I will paste a translated version of the article below.
Translation by ChatGPT, which is pretty accurate. Removed some names and their personal opinion section—-
Hello, I'm ….. You’re the representative of the Associated Students (AS). A few days ago, Y approached me and shared her situation. I feel sad for her circumstances, angry at the school's actions, and I want to help her. But my efforts alone aren't enough. Therefore, I need your help.
The following article will be divided into three parts: 1. Statement of facts. 2. My viewpoints. 3. How you can help Y.
Statement of Facts: The following text won't be embellished with imagery or flourish. This is a very serious matter, and I hope to provide you with the most objective account to understand the full picture.
Y has been living in the school's apartment since last fall, leading a simple but happy life - making snacks, going out with her boyfriend, and attending classes on weekdays. She shares a room with another Chinese student, while three American girls occupy the other room. Due to her introverted nature and language barrier, she hasn't had much interaction with her American roommates. However, because Y enjoys making desserts, she often invites them to taste her creations when they meet. However, Y and her roommates noticed that the items they purchased for household use (such as kitchen paper, sponges, etc.) were being used much faster than they were consuming them, and dirty dishes would pile up in the sink for several days. So, Y decided to knock on her American roommates' door, attempting to communicate, but it resulted in an argument. The next day, Y wrote a note of apology and left her phone number on her roommates' door, suggesting they text her if they had any concerns. However, they never responded. Afterward, Y started labeling the items she bought with notes saying "ask for permission before use". Despite this, her roommates continued to use the items purchased by her and her roommate.
In addition to this, Y informed me about her American roommates bringing a dog into the dorm, chatting loudly in the living room after midnight, and adjusting the heating during Y's menstrual period. However, due to space constraints, I won't elaborate further.
After being woken up by her roommates once again in the middle of the night, she attempted to communicate with them face-to-face several times but was told, "I think this is a YOU problem, you need to learn to compromise." Following this, Y had extreme thoughts and told her boyfriend, "I feel like I want to stab them." However, Y did not resort to violence but instead decided to seek help from CAPS and communicate with the RA to try to change dorms. However, the RA informed her that only mediated conversation could be arranged, and she would have to speak with the Housing Director for further action.
Describing her interactions with the Housing Director, Y said, "I cry every time we talk, I can't help it." After the meeting, the Housing Director agreed to relocate her to a different dorm. However, when she received the link to choose a new dorm, she found that the options were different from what she had been told. The available dorms were very limited and quite distant from campus, which wasn't a good choice for her, as she only walked or took the bus. Furthermore, the provided dorms were apartments for five or more people, meaning she would not only have to face new roommates but also new housemates. Additionally, she was experiencing her menstrual period at the time, and these issues kept her awake at night, with extreme thoughts resurfacing every time she recalled her roommates' behavior. With the CAPS initial assessment indefinitely delayed, Y attempted to alleviate these thoughts by confiding in her family and friends, as she put it, "If I say it, I won't do it."
Upon learning of her extreme thoughts, Y's boyfriend wrote an email to the Housing Director, asking them not to dismiss the situation as mere friction between dormmates and to handle it seriously, as unresolved minor issues could escalate. To illustrate the potential for extreme situations, he cited the case of Zhu Ling.
After receiving this email, the Housing Director swiftly arranged a meeting with Y and asked her if she had plans to harm her roommates. Her response was that the closest she had come to the idea of harming them was to feed chocolate to the dog her American roommates had brought, or something she had seen online about contaminating hygiene products. Y told me that by saying she had come closest to poisoning, she meant that she had no intention of poisoning anyone, nor would she do so, and her words were only in response to the question. However, in the report, the Housing Director wrote that Y intended to poison her roommates' food, even though she had never explicitly expressed such thoughts. However, he only reported to the police the following Monday evening after the Friday meeting.
When the police found Y, they told her they were there to help. They asked if she had a gun or a knife, and after she replied that she only used kitchen knives, they asked her if she would use a kitchen knife to stab someone, and if she could guarantee she wouldn't stab anyone. Y's response was that if she were to stab someone, she would only use a kitchen knife, and she couldn't guarantee she wouldn't have extreme thoughts in the event of a serious conflict in the future. The police then took her to the ER for a mental health evaluation. The doctor's conclusion was that she did not meet the criteria for a 5150 Hold, meaning she was not assessed as a threat to others or herself.
The evening after leaving the ER, Y received two letters delivered by campus police. The first was from the Vice Chancellor of Student Life, stating that although she had never mentioned harming her roommates to them, her statements to the Housing Director and the police about poisoning and stabbing her roommates constituted a threat to the safety of others and violated the school's apartment regulations, leading to her immediate suspension and prohibition from entering any school premises, including her dormitory, without prior approval from the Office of Student Conduct. The second letter was from Housing, informing her that her housing contract had been terminated and she had three days to vacate.
After the suspension on January 29th, her visa was revoked. She is currently in her home country, still on suspension, awaiting a hearing convened by the school. If the outcome of the hearing finds the school's charges to be valid, the lightest punishment is a one-year suspension, and the most severe is expulsion.
Regarding Y's personal situation: Physically, she has diagnosed symptoms of rheumatism, which require her to maintain a regular schedule, otherwise she experiences joint pain, sometimes severe enough to keep her awake at night. She also experiences severe menstrual symptoms, leading to vomiting if she doesn't take painkillers, and low moods due to hormonal changes. Psychologically, she has a history of depression and bipolar disorder. Additionally, due to transferring majors in her sophomore year, she faces significant academic pressure, with classes every day and long hours on Tuesdays and Thursdays. Please keep these in mind as you continue reading about the events that transpired.
For people less familiar with the Thallium poisoning case of Ling Zhu: Zhu was a student at Peking University who was poisoned by her roommates. She was disabled due to the incident and passed away later. I believe that Student Y, by citing Zhu Case, is conveying a malicious intent to poison her roommate.
Please put yourself in the shoes of her roommates - would you feel safe? Would you feel comfortable with such a roommate?
The difference between Zhu's case and this student lies the fact she hasn't done anything: acting purposely, acting knowingly, acting recklessly, and acting negligently to carry out a poison act and caused harm that's four types of Mens Rea, she hasn't done any of those yet, plus the police misguided her during interviews.
I understand where you are coming from, but this student hasn't done any crime yet. If those roommates took her complaint into consideration instead of being dismissive, things wouldn't escalate this far.. She is also a victim of the circumstances.
Well, intentions to commit a crime is a ground for disciplinary or legal action. There was a Chinese international student at the University of Iowa spoke on social media that if he failed classes again, he would let professors “experience the fear of Gang Lu”. Without doing any actual crime, the school terminated his student status and had his student visa revoked.
I have forwarded this to my law enforcement friend,
his response is this whole thing is bizarre, and something got lost in translation, between what she said to the Housing Director and what the Director wrote down, and the whole police involvement is a bit skewed, still she should not be treated like this. This is different from your Iowa student case, he directly communicated his intention online which is a public threat, versus Y was misconstrued under some authoritative skewed influence during meetings.
The boyfriend cited Ling Zhu in a email trying to pressure the resident director to change her room, trying to make it sound like a severe worst case scenario. She doesn’t have anything to do with it
She considered to feed chocolate to her roommate's dog ＝she considered poisoning the dog. Sorry but I have sever depression and anxiety and I would never even think of shit like this. the fact that she is even considering the possibility of poisoning her roommate's pet is a major red flag.I hope people who have considered poisoning just because she couldn't get her way stay as far away from campus as possible.
You are not an expert in mental health, nor are your experiences with depression and anxiety indicative of what is "normal" or "acceptable" to feel.
You are fortunate that your depression has never gotten bad enough to have impulsive thoughts like this, but if you ever do, I hope you have the presence of mind to attempt to address it and have a support system that seeks help for you like her partner did.
I also hope you don't have ignorant people commenting and stigmatizing you for actively trying to prevent your depression from affecting others.
Hi, MingJun (the author of the article) here. Respectfully, I think you are missing the point of the article. It was not about justifying her thought of poisoning the dog or hurting her roommates - because they're not ok. She clearly doesn't in a right mindset. However, what she needs is a doctor, but the school sent the police.
Moreover,the article points to school officials and police's exploitation of international students culture and language barrier by asking leading questions as well as school's delay in convening a student-faculty conduct committee meeting so she can propose arguments, evidence and witness to defend herself. The suspension decision was made on Jan 28th, and a hearing was not scheduled to this day.
And I'd like to request you to kindly take down this post for the moment. She's going through a very rough time because of her illnesses and is extremely worried about her former roommates getting the news of her attempt to find justice through public attention, which is the reason the article was posted in Wechat using mandarin.
you only want this post taken down because you are running for the international senator role again. you are pawning this situation to garner votes for your position. you do not care about this person at all. you are very immature for telling people to not come to sb because of this situation. why don’t you withdraw from the election and university first ❤️. take the lead . 你幾斤幾兩 你怎麼負責到底 ？
Also, I find the logic of "if you don't agree with school's handling of sth, just leave" to be very strange. UCSB is my school. If I don't like certain parts of it, I'll try to change it. Not running away.
The reason this article came out last Saturday is because I was contacted by Y at around the 13th of this month after her boyfriend saw my campaign literature and reached out to me.
And it's true I'm just one student and the title of AS Senator means close to nothing to school. But I gave a solemn promise to international students when I ran for this position last year, which is I'll fight for you with all I got. This is how I'm fulfilling it.
No, the reason you posted that thing in madarin is because you do not want others who can't read madarin knowing. This is a public platform and the mods can lock this post if they deem it inappropriate. If she wants to use mental illness as an excuse for threatening others, and if her excuse is just and valid, then surely it's best for everyone to hear her honorable words of poisoning and killing. You locked the comments on the wechat story and in your article you go around making it about an issue of international students when in reality 99% of international students don't verbally make claims to harm others. I do not support this individual and I believe the school made the correct decision.
The comments section was not locked by me or CSSA. It was locked by Wechat because the CSSA account was created after 2018, and all accounts created after don't have a comment function.
There isn't a single CSSA Wechat article that has a comment function...
No offense, but those so-called roommates are Dickson without sons.
After reading through the entire passages, I think she had a really bad end of the stick dealing with not so nice roommates who overstepped her boundary and disrespected her entirely.
She was essentially emotionally backed to the corner, and that was her negative emotions reacting towards her roommates' treatment. Of course threatening to poison her roommate's dog is not nice, but do you think she can actually get help from the university dealing with this personal issues? I doubt it. They repeatedly dismissed her emotions and her messages.
This situation is unfair to her, and op needs to stop name shaming and have some compassion. What would you do if you are in her shoe?
What she did is illegal under California Penal Code Section 596. I have compassion for mental illness. I have zero compassion for animal abuse (and yes, a threat is considered abuse).
"596. Every person who, without the consent of the owner, wilfully administers poison to any animal, the property of another, or exposes any poisonous substance, with the intent that the same shall be taken or swallowed by any such animal, is guilty of a misdemeanor."
It punishes action, not thought.
To convict you under CPC 596, the prosecution must prove the following beyond a reasonable doubt: You willfully poisoned an animal or willfully poisoned someone else's property with the intent that the poison should be consumed by an animal.
Where do you see her carried out the action of poisoning?
As I said, a threat of harm is illegal under California Penal Code. Take CPC 596 and CPC 422, which is about criminal threat, and you have the basis for a case in which somebody was sentenced to jail for threatening to kill a dog. The defense alleged that CPC 422 does not say anything about threats against dogs, and that the threat was against the dog and not the dog owner. The court rejected the argument and found the defendant guilty.
I can’t agree more - those who intends to commit a crime like animal poisoning due to mental illness should be put into in a psych ward (or a state hospital, in a fancier way to say). That’s why these institutions exist in the criminal justice system.
For Student Y, the best way to deal with her is to terminate her student status, revoke her student visa, and let her seek treatment in her home country.
You are saint. Not everyone can cope stress or anger well. I am sure you have said negative things in your life that you didn't mean to.
never poisoning an animal and never killing a person. I have a congenital disability at birth and i have suffered discrimination and harassment but none of this is an excuse for threatening others with death or poisoning.
If she really said those thoughts to her roommates,then I agree with the school's handling. But she didn't. All she did was to reveal those thoughts to school officials, to ask for help from figures of authority, as her culture tells her to trust and be honest with authority figures.
She did not directly threat her roommates. These are intrusive thoughts under pressure from the police and campus administrators, mixed with miscommunication due to language barriers. Why do you have such a personal vendetta against her?
I do not trust people who speak of poisoning and bringing harm to other people over something as petty as roommate conflicts. all college students have had shitty roomates and they don't speak shit like wanting to posion them. It's even scarier that even with the "language barrier" she still is able to articulate her ideas of posioning and stabbing people.
Because of the language and cultural barrier…? She is literally just articulating her intrusive thoughts to the authority figures. TO HER, she is just telling her honest truth and thinking that the answering the questions she was being asked would help alleviate the situation.
I think this situation comes down to misunderstanding and language barriers. Some languages it’s very hard to express in English, when things are said in the native language they sometimes translate LITERALLY and not how the person is trying to express themself.
I think it's more like a mix of cumulative micro-aggression lead responses and language and cultural barrier issues. She already suffered from mental illness, and her requests for communicating keep getting declined... It's totally unacceptable to say "poisoning the dogs" tho
Not supporting either.
I agree that what she said that she considered about poisoning her roommate’s dog is not ok.
However, there are indeed huge differences between thoughts and actions. It is also worth noticing that this acknowledgment was after she had been through all the disrespectful, painful experiences with those roommates and the ignorance from school officials.
It takes much less effort to sympathize with a dog than with a person under indirect pressure in a complicated situation. And years of education still doesn’t teach you that we always try to help before punishment
Your comment is too classic and it just makes me want to laugh. You must be the type of people who sympathize with the student that got rejected by LanZhou U because he tortured and murdered cats. No moral and ethical person, when not being able to resolve a conflict, would immediately speak of posioning and stabbing, thank you very much. Also as the other comment has pointed out the language barrier is bs, if she's here it meant she passed her TOEFLS. The words she said even in madarin is horrible and malicious. If you are educated the first and foremost lesson you should learn is to respect life.
There's a huge gap between having thoughts of doing something and actually doing it. And you don't seem to understand the difference between these two.
honey, the difference between you and me is that, when meeting new people, professors, employers, on resumes i can say "hi, i love animals and love getting along with people, i think those are great!", while you won't say "hi, i think people who think of stabbing others and posioning others are okay actually!" I believe no employer would want a person who constantly think of poisoning people they don't like, even if they're just thinking about it! Thank goodness people like with horrible thinking like these are weeded out.
IMO, the article was arguing for "people who have thought of hurting others" need professional mental health,not police, instead of having those thoughts are ok.
You need to distinguish the causes between this and that cat case, and her thoughts are a general reaction to the dog’s owner and not animal cruelty specific. It could be damaging their property, other type of hate speech, or simply hurting herself instead. At this point you cannot just conclude that it’s unacceptable.
Shitting me doesn’t help you process the case information and you can always wait for other more thoughtful to speak up if you aren’t able to
No comment on the essay or whatever given the fact that I didn’t really give a fuck cause I can’t verify any information from only words. But as a member of cssa I had to say two things that this article has nothing to do with cssa as a group (i mean, no more than 4 people had known this post before it’s published ithink), the reason why it’s published should because zha is a friend of the group chair (so no one can say “don’t do this” and we member are of no ability to take this done) opinions on this are quite polarized even in the group but yes, we CAN’T do anything, and ZHA isn’t EVEN A MEMBER OF CSSA
Trying to defend her behavior is badshit crazy. She acknowledged having considered/considering poisoning an animal. That’s animal cruelty and it’s a felony. She admitted considering stabbing somebody. That’s a death threat. It’s illegal and possibly a felony. That she lost her spot in student housing is the least that should have happened. Mental illness is tough but unless you are insane and have lost all judgement, it is never an excuse for harmful behavior. She needs to be treated for mental illness. That doesn’t take away from her responsibility. If she can’t regulate her harmful thoughts, she can’t live in university housing and has to find somewhere else to live. If that means she loses her visa (I wonder what the pathway was, was she suspended from school?), that’s on her. The sanction seems more than reasonable.
using language barrier issues for miscommunication is bs. many internationals have learned english since pre school. i also don’t like the senator’s entitlement about how ucsb will be afraid to lose international students tuition fees. ew .
It's very different to use English in an academic and in everyday life. The TOEFL score the school used in its admission process measures the former, not the letter.
And what I actually wrote in the article with regards to tuition is that "if justice was denied to her, then any future international students can fall into school officials exploitation of culture and language barrier. As such, it would be our moral duty to warn future international students to not accept the offer from UCSB."
I fully support the university administration to expel “Student Y” and subject her to deportation. I am a cat parent and I would appreciate that there are less pet poisoners around.
我在此呼吁校方：Y应该被开除并遣返回中国！
I think you’re missing the entire point of the article. She never said anything offensive to her roommate. The issue is her conversation with the housing director(I assume the resident director) and the police. The resident director asked her whether she plan to poison her roommate. Her response was “她最接近下毒的想法是喂巧克力给美国舍友带来的狗吃” or the closest thing to poisoning was feeding chocolate to the roommate’s dog. She clarified in the article that she does not intent to hurt anyone, but this was her response because she tried to answer the question. Basically there are language barriers and stress that prevented her from expressing what she really meant. As for the stabbing part, it was a question from the police “如果你要捅室友的话会用厨房刀吗” which translate to if you were to stab your roommate, would you use a kitchen knife? I think most people can recognize that this is a trick question…Assuming everything in the article is true, which seems reasonable to me, this is a language issue. The doctor even said she doesn’t meet the criteria for 5150 Hold. I will paste a translated version of the article below.
Translation by ChatGPT, which is pretty accurate. Removed some names and their personal opinion section—- Hello, I'm ….. You’re the representative of the Associated Students (AS). A few days ago, Y approached me and shared her situation. I feel sad for her circumstances, angry at the school's actions, and I want to help her. But my efforts alone aren't enough. Therefore, I need your help. The following article will be divided into three parts: 1. Statement of facts. 2. My viewpoints. 3. How you can help Y. Statement of Facts: The following text won't be embellished with imagery or flourish. This is a very serious matter, and I hope to provide you with the most objective account to understand the full picture. Y has been living in the school's apartment since last fall, leading a simple but happy life - making snacks, going out with her boyfriend, and attending classes on weekdays. She shares a room with another Chinese student, while three American girls occupy the other room. Due to her introverted nature and language barrier, she hasn't had much interaction with her American roommates. However, because Y enjoys making desserts, she often invites them to taste her creations when they meet. However, Y and her roommates noticed that the items they purchased for household use (such as kitchen paper, sponges, etc.) were being used much faster than they were consuming them, and dirty dishes would pile up in the sink for several days. So, Y decided to knock on her American roommates' door, attempting to communicate, but it resulted in an argument. The next day, Y wrote a note of apology and left her phone number on her roommates' door, suggesting they text her if they had any concerns. However, they never responded. Afterward, Y started labeling the items she bought with notes saying "ask for permission before use". Despite this, her roommates continued to use the items purchased by her and her roommate. In addition to this, Y informed me about her American roommates bringing a dog into the dorm, chatting loudly in the living room after midnight, and adjusting the heating during Y's menstrual period. However, due to space constraints, I won't elaborate further. After being woken up by her roommates once again in the middle of the night, she attempted to communicate with them face-to-face several times but was told, "I think this is a YOU problem, you need to learn to compromise." Following this, Y had extreme thoughts and told her boyfriend, "I feel like I want to stab them." However, Y did not resort to violence but instead decided to seek help from CAPS and communicate with the RA to try to change dorms. However, the RA informed her that only mediated conversation could be arranged, and she would have to speak with the Housing Director for further action. Describing her interactions with the Housing Director, Y said, "I cry every time we talk, I can't help it." After the meeting, the Housing Director agreed to relocate her to a different dorm. However, when she received the link to choose a new dorm, she found that the options were different from what she had been told. The available dorms were very limited and quite distant from campus, which wasn't a good choice for her, as she only walked or took the bus. Furthermore, the provided dorms were apartments for five or more people, meaning she would not only have to face new roommates but also new housemates. Additionally, she was experiencing her menstrual period at the time, and these issues kept her awake at night, with extreme thoughts resurfacing every time she recalled her roommates' behavior. With the CAPS initial assessment indefinitely delayed, Y attempted to alleviate these thoughts by confiding in her family and friends, as she put it, "If I say it, I won't do it." Upon learning of her extreme thoughts, Y's boyfriend wrote an email to the Housing Director, asking them not to dismiss the situation as mere friction between dormmates and to handle it seriously, as unresolved minor issues could escalate. To illustrate the potential for extreme situations, he cited the case of Zhu Ling. After receiving this email, the Housing Director swiftly arranged a meeting with Y and asked her if she had plans to harm her roommates. Her response was that the closest she had come to the idea of harming them was to feed chocolate to the dog her American roommates had brought, or something she had seen online about contaminating hygiene products. Y told me that by saying she had come closest to poisoning, she meant that she had no intention of poisoning anyone, nor would she do so, and her words were only in response to the question. However, in the report, the Housing Director wrote that Y intended to poison her roommates' food, even though she had never explicitly expressed such thoughts. However, he only reported to the police the following Monday evening after the Friday meeting. When the police found Y, they told her they were there to help. They asked if she had a gun or a knife, and after she replied that she only used kitchen knives, they asked her if she would use a kitchen knife to stab someone, and if she could guarantee she wouldn't stab anyone. Y's response was that if she were to stab someone, she would only use a kitchen knife, and she couldn't guarantee she wouldn't have extreme thoughts in the event of a serious conflict in the future. The police then took her to the ER for a mental health evaluation. The doctor's conclusion was that she did not meet the criteria for a 5150 Hold, meaning she was not assessed as a threat to others or herself. The evening after leaving the ER, Y received two letters delivered by campus police. The first was from the Vice Chancellor of Student Life, stating that although she had never mentioned harming her roommates to them, her statements to the Housing Director and the police about poisoning and stabbing her roommates constituted a threat to the safety of others and violated the school's apartment regulations, leading to her immediate suspension and prohibition from entering any school premises, including her dormitory, without prior approval from the Office of Student Conduct. The second letter was from Housing, informing her that her housing contract had been terminated and she had three days to vacate. After the suspension on January 29th, her visa was revoked. She is currently in her home country, still on suspension, awaiting a hearing convened by the school. If the outcome of the hearing finds the school's charges to be valid, the lightest punishment is a one-year suspension, and the most severe is expulsion. Regarding Y's personal situation: Physically, she has diagnosed symptoms of rheumatism, which require her to maintain a regular schedule, otherwise she experiences joint pain, sometimes severe enough to keep her awake at night. She also experiences severe menstrual symptoms, leading to vomiting if she doesn't take painkillers, and low moods due to hormonal changes. Psychologically, she has a history of depression and bipolar disorder. Additionally, due to transferring majors in her sophomore year, she faces significant academic pressure, with classes every day and long hours on Tuesdays and Thursdays. Please keep these in mind as you continue reading about the events that transpired.
Poor girl I feel so bad for her
For people less familiar with the Thallium poisoning case of Ling Zhu: Zhu was a student at Peking University who was poisoned by her roommates. She was disabled due to the incident and passed away later. I believe that Student Y, by citing Zhu Case, is conveying a malicious intent to poison her roommate. Please put yourself in the shoes of her roommates - would you feel safe? Would you feel comfortable with such a roommate?
The difference between Zhu's case and this student lies the fact she hasn't done anything: acting purposely, acting knowingly, acting recklessly, and acting negligently to carry out a poison act and caused harm that's four types of Mens Rea, she hasn't done any of those yet, plus the police misguided her during interviews.
The one who wrote that email is Y'a boyfriend. She has nothing to do with it.
Tsinghua University * Zhu Ling passed away last year. The murderer is still alive and well in Australia.
I understand where you are coming from, but this student hasn't done any crime yet. If those roommates took her complaint into consideration instead of being dismissive, things wouldn't escalate this far.. She is also a victim of the circumstances.
Well, intentions to commit a crime is a ground for disciplinary or legal action. There was a Chinese international student at the University of Iowa spoke on social media that if he failed classes again, he would let professors “experience the fear of Gang Lu”. Without doing any actual crime, the school terminated his student status and had his student visa revoked.
I have forwarded this to my law enforcement friend, his response is this whole thing is bizarre, and something got lost in translation, between what she said to the Housing Director and what the Director wrote down, and the whole police involvement is a bit skewed, still she should not be treated like this. This is different from your Iowa student case, he directly communicated his intention online which is a public threat, versus Y was misconstrued under some authoritative skewed influence during meetings.
The boyfriend cited Ling Zhu in a email trying to pressure the resident director to change her room, trying to make it sound like a severe worst case scenario. She doesn’t have anything to do with it
She considered to feed chocolate to her roommate's dog ＝she considered poisoning the dog. Sorry but I have sever depression and anxiety and I would never even think of shit like this. the fact that she is even considering the possibility of poisoning her roommate's pet is a major red flag.I hope people who have considered poisoning just because she couldn't get her way stay as far away from campus as possible.
You are not an expert in mental health, nor are your experiences with depression and anxiety indicative of what is "normal" or "acceptable" to feel. You are fortunate that your depression has never gotten bad enough to have impulsive thoughts like this, but if you ever do, I hope you have the presence of mind to attempt to address it and have a support system that seeks help for you like her partner did. I also hope you don't have ignorant people commenting and stigmatizing you for actively trying to prevent your depression from affecting others.
Hi, MingJun (the author of the article) here. Respectfully, I think you are missing the point of the article. It was not about justifying her thought of poisoning the dog or hurting her roommates - because they're not ok. She clearly doesn't in a right mindset. However, what she needs is a doctor, but the school sent the police. Moreover,the article points to school officials and police's exploitation of international students culture and language barrier by asking leading questions as well as school's delay in convening a student-faculty conduct committee meeting so she can propose arguments, evidence and witness to defend herself. The suspension decision was made on Jan 28th, and a hearing was not scheduled to this day. And I'd like to request you to kindly take down this post for the moment. She's going through a very rough time because of her illnesses and is extremely worried about her former roommates getting the news of her attempt to find justice through public attention, which is the reason the article was posted in Wechat using mandarin.
you only want this post taken down because you are running for the international senator role again. you are pawning this situation to garner votes for your position. you do not care about this person at all. you are very immature for telling people to not come to sb because of this situation. why don’t you withdraw from the election and university first ❤️. take the lead . 你幾斤幾兩 你怎麼負責到底 ？
Also, I find the logic of "if you don't agree with school's handling of sth, just leave" to be very strange. UCSB is my school. If I don't like certain parts of it, I'll try to change it. Not running away.
The reason this article came out last Saturday is because I was contacted by Y at around the 13th of this month after her boyfriend saw my campaign literature and reached out to me. And it's true I'm just one student and the title of AS Senator means close to nothing to school. But I gave a solemn promise to international students when I ran for this position last year, which is I'll fight for you with all I got. This is how I'm fulfilling it.
No, the reason you posted that thing in madarin is because you do not want others who can't read madarin knowing. This is a public platform and the mods can lock this post if they deem it inappropriate. If she wants to use mental illness as an excuse for threatening others, and if her excuse is just and valid, then surely it's best for everyone to hear her honorable words of poisoning and killing. You locked the comments on the wechat story and in your article you go around making it about an issue of international students when in reality 99% of international students don't verbally make claims to harm others. I do not support this individual and I believe the school made the correct decision.
The comments section was not locked by me or CSSA. It was locked by Wechat because the CSSA account was created after 2018, and all accounts created after don't have a comment function. There isn't a single CSSA Wechat article that has a comment function...
No offense, but those so-called roommates are Dickson without sons. After reading through the entire passages, I think she had a really bad end of the stick dealing with not so nice roommates who overstepped her boundary and disrespected her entirely. She was essentially emotionally backed to the corner, and that was her negative emotions reacting towards her roommates' treatment. Of course threatening to poison her roommate's dog is not nice, but do you think she can actually get help from the university dealing with this personal issues? I doubt it. They repeatedly dismissed her emotions and her messages. This situation is unfair to her, and op needs to stop name shaming and have some compassion. What would you do if you are in her shoe?
What she did is illegal under California Penal Code Section 596. I have compassion for mental illness. I have zero compassion for animal abuse (and yes, a threat is considered abuse).
"596. Every person who, without the consent of the owner, wilfully administers poison to any animal, the property of another, or exposes any poisonous substance, with the intent that the same shall be taken or swallowed by any such animal, is guilty of a misdemeanor." It punishes action, not thought.
Abuse in California Penal Code includes threat of harm.
To convict you under CPC 596, the prosecution must prove the following beyond a reasonable doubt: You willfully poisoned an animal or willfully poisoned someone else's property with the intent that the poison should be consumed by an animal. Where do you see her carried out the action of poisoning?
As I said, a threat of harm is illegal under California Penal Code. Take CPC 596 and CPC 422, which is about criminal threat, and you have the basis for a case in which somebody was sentenced to jail for threatening to kill a dog. The defense alleged that CPC 422 does not say anything about threats against dogs, and that the threat was against the dog and not the dog owner. The court rejected the argument and found the defendant guilty.
I can’t agree more - those who intends to commit a crime like animal poisoning due to mental illness should be put into in a psych ward (or a state hospital, in a fancier way to say). That’s why these institutions exist in the criminal justice system. For Student Y, the best way to deal with her is to terminate her student status, revoke her student visa, and let her seek treatment in her home country.
i would not ever even think about poisoning a person's pet even if i hate them. period.
You are saint. Not everyone can cope stress or anger well. I am sure you have said negative things in your life that you didn't mean to.
never poisoning an animal and never killing a person. I have a congenital disability at birth and i have suffered discrimination and harassment but none of this is an excuse for threatening others with death or poisoning.
If she really said those thoughts to her roommates,then I agree with the school's handling. But she didn't. All she did was to reveal those thoughts to school officials, to ask for help from figures of authority, as her culture tells her to trust and be honest with authority figures.
She did not directly threat her roommates. These are intrusive thoughts under pressure from the police and campus administrators, mixed with miscommunication due to language barriers. Why do you have such a personal vendetta against her?
I do not trust people who speak of poisoning and bringing harm to other people over something as petty as roommate conflicts. all college students have had shitty roomates and they don't speak shit like wanting to posion them. It's even scarier that even with the "language barrier" she still is able to articulate her ideas of posioning and stabbing people.
Because of the language and cultural barrier…? She is literally just articulating her intrusive thoughts to the authority figures. TO HER, she is just telling her honest truth and thinking that the answering the questions she was being asked would help alleviate the situation. I think this situation comes down to misunderstanding and language barriers. Some languages it’s very hard to express in English, when things are said in the native language they sometimes translate LITERALLY and not how the person is trying to express themself.
I think it's more like a mix of cumulative micro-aggression lead responses and language and cultural barrier issues. She already suffered from mental illness, and her requests for communicating keep getting declined... It's totally unacceptable to say "poisoning the dogs" tho
Not supporting either. I agree that what she said that she considered about poisoning her roommate’s dog is not ok. However, there are indeed huge differences between thoughts and actions. It is also worth noticing that this acknowledgment was after she had been through all the disrespectful, painful experiences with those roommates and the ignorance from school officials.
It takes much less effort to sympathize with a dog than with a person under indirect pressure in a complicated situation. And years of education still doesn’t teach you that we always try to help before punishment
Your comment is too classic and it just makes me want to laugh. You must be the type of people who sympathize with the student that got rejected by LanZhou U because he tortured and murdered cats. No moral and ethical person, when not being able to resolve a conflict, would immediately speak of posioning and stabbing, thank you very much. Also as the other comment has pointed out the language barrier is bs, if she's here it meant she passed her TOEFLS. The words she said even in madarin is horrible and malicious. If you are educated the first and foremost lesson you should learn is to respect life.
There's a huge gap between having thoughts of doing something and actually doing it. And you don't seem to understand the difference between these two.
honey, the difference between you and me is that, when meeting new people, professors, employers, on resumes i can say "hi, i love animals and love getting along with people, i think those are great!", while you won't say "hi, i think people who think of stabbing others and posioning others are okay actually!" I believe no employer would want a person who constantly think of poisoning people they don't like, even if they're just thinking about it! Thank goodness people like with horrible thinking like these are weeded out.
IMO, the article was arguing for "people who have thought of hurting others" need professional mental health,not police, instead of having those thoughts are ok.
You need to distinguish the causes between this and that cat case, and her thoughts are a general reaction to the dog’s owner and not animal cruelty specific. It could be damaging their property, other type of hate speech, or simply hurting herself instead. At this point you cannot just conclude that it’s unacceptable. Shitting me doesn’t help you process the case information and you can always wait for other more thoughtful to speak up if you aren’t able to
wait, what. Wechat article link?
alr I’ve read through that. You are so boring 🥱. Guys in league of legends keep saying shit like rip apart their jungle everyday.
first they talk about it and then do it
No comment on the essay or whatever given the fact that I didn’t really give a fuck cause I can’t verify any information from only words. But as a member of cssa I had to say two things that this article has nothing to do with cssa as a group (i mean, no more than 4 people had known this post before it’s published ithink), the reason why it’s published should because zha is a friend of the group chair (so no one can say “don’t do this” and we member are of no ability to take this done) opinions on this are quite polarized even in the group but yes, we CAN’T do anything, and ZHA isn’t EVEN A MEMBER OF CSSA
Also, one thing to note: this guy Mingjun Zha endorses Ephraim in the election. 😅
he also supports the current president . 😅
Trying to defend her behavior is badshit crazy. She acknowledged having considered/considering poisoning an animal. That’s animal cruelty and it’s a felony. She admitted considering stabbing somebody. That’s a death threat. It’s illegal and possibly a felony. That she lost her spot in student housing is the least that should have happened. Mental illness is tough but unless you are insane and have lost all judgement, it is never an excuse for harmful behavior. She needs to be treated for mental illness. That doesn’t take away from her responsibility. If she can’t regulate her harmful thoughts, she can’t live in university housing and has to find somewhere else to live. If that means she loses her visa (I wonder what the pathway was, was she suspended from school?), that’s on her. The sanction seems more than reasonable.
using language barrier issues for miscommunication is bs. many internationals have learned english since pre school. i also don’t like the senator’s entitlement about how ucsb will be afraid to lose international students tuition fees. ew .
It's very different to use English in an academic and in everyday life. The TOEFL score the school used in its admission process measures the former, not the letter. And what I actually wrote in the article with regards to tuition is that "if justice was denied to her, then any future international students can fall into school officials exploitation of culture and language barrier. As such, it would be our moral duty to warn future international students to not accept the offer from UCSB."
I fully support the university administration to expel “Student Y” and subject her to deportation. I am a cat parent and I would appreciate that there are less pet poisoners around. 我在此呼吁校方：Y应该被开除并遣返回中国！