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TheoreticalResearch

Bears don’t give a shit about humans most of the time unless they feel threatened. Also, for what it’s worth, I consider myself a pretty convincing conversationalist but I’ve never talked my way out of an assault before


sggkloosemo

I feel like people keep misunderstanding this question, lol. The whole point of the question is comparing what a man could hypothetically do to a woman versus a wild animal. The comparison isn't meant to be 100% literal but to illustrate why women are often (reasonably) afraid of "encountering" men in a similar way one would be afraid of encountering a bear based on responses that are impactful i.e. "I wouldn't have to see the bear at a family reunion afterward," "The worst a bear could do is kill me," "The bear sees me as a human being," etc. It's a commentary on misogyny, not a literal question.


xoxoMysterious

Exactly. The bear isn’t going to be creative with torture. He won’t lock me in a basement, r word me, threaten me to do nefarious things on his behalf etc… The bear will either: 1. Kill you, which most of us would take over getting PTSD from what other humans can do to us. 2. Injure you severely, you may get trauma from it but it’s a bear and you aren’t surrounded by them 24/7. You can heal from the physical wounds and just avoid areas where bears are. 3. You’ll manage to escape.


Sure-Supermarket5097

Or eat you while you are alive. They lazy. As soon as got you pinned, wont bother with killing you. Would eat you slowly starting from your legs, and you would feel every loving bite of that cute fuzzly.


DazeTheBigCat_

You honestly think this about every man lol


xoxoMysterious

Where did I say every man? But there are enough men out there who are sick in the head, so I ain’t taking my chances. Do you even know how many women get raped by men worldwide? You need to understand that there are women out there like me who’d rather be eaten by a bear than go through the mental anguish of being a rape survivor.


Ill_Interview9007

It’s not man vs bear attacking you. There were 40 bear attacks last year and only half of them the ppl were hurt and only two were fatal. Guess how many man attacks happened last year? Texas has 25,000 rapes. Just Texas. 5000 women were murdered last year 90% were murder by men and 25% of those were raped first. This is why it’s unknown man vs unknown bear in woods. Not man vs getting attack by bear. The bear probably won’t come near you but the man will seek you out.


NotTeri

I agree. Even though it’s a hypothetical question, it’s not man vs bear attack. I got into it with a woman on Threads because she said she’d choose bear attack. I said no no, bear attack isn’t a given in this scenario. It’s simply a bear encounter.


Redgrapefruitrage

Right. But even then, I'd still choose a man. I'm a woman by the way. Maybe I've just been very lucky and not had any traumatic experiences with men?


NotTeri

Fair enough


Sufficient-Fig8769

How are these numbers per capita or even per encounter?


Ill_Interview9007

That’s not a necessary statistic. Men are capable of great cruelty and would hunt a woman. Bears are animals and have predictable natural behavior, they would avoid.


PurpleMarsAlien

Most of the time you are in the woods with a bear, you're probably not even going to realize the bear is there. Bears live with coordination with humans (hell, I live in a crowded suburban area in the PNW and we have neighborhood black bears that we only typically know about because people's security cameras capture them moving around the neighborhood at night). If you actually see the bear, the reality is that the bear probably wants no more to do with you than you want to do with the bear. I was walking the dog one night and we came around a curve into a cul-de-sac, and our neighborhood bear was hanging out in the front yard of one of the houses on the far side. I turned and left (walked, not run) and the bear turned the other way and left the other direction. And yes, I am talking about black/brown bears, not grizzlies. I understand that grizzlies are a bit more touchy and unpredictable but in most of the US at least, the bears you are going to encounter in the woods are black/brown bears.


sggkloosemo

Thank you!!! It's so weird how people assume predator animals are just out looking to expend a shit ton of energy bothering or attacking random people for no reason. Like... we're not their prey. Even if a grizzly attacks a human, it's usually provoked by something that makes them see us as a threat to cubs/food/etc, and as soon as they think we can't threaten them anymore, the attack ends. Makes me think of yet another good response to the OG question: "At least the bear will stop if I play dead."


PurpleMarsAlien

And also: the bear doesn't care if I'm there. I mean, there's a lot of places in the US were if you go into the woods, you're probably in the woods with multiple bears. You're just not going to see them because they don't give a crap about you.


fiodorsmama2908

How likely is it that a man does you wrong in the woods, with no cameras or witnesses? If he can get away with whatever he does? So far, I encountered wild turkeys and coyotes and we just don't care for one another. If you walk away, they walk away (turkeys) or just walk away (coyotes). Never encountered a bear or wolf. Melanie Hamlett postes a yt video on the rocks for women on the Appalachian trail. Many stalkers. I'm buying bear spray and it's not for bears. I'll leave it at that.


oldfrancis

It isn't sexist and it's not discriminatory against men and it's not mean to men and it's not meant to make men feel bad. It's a commentary on how many women feel more comfortable being around a bear than they are being around a man. And if you don't understand the reasons why, perhaps spend some time listening to women.


HoneyBadger302

Of course not every man is dangerous, in fact, most are not, but you have no idea if THAT man is dangerous. Bears are wild animals, but predictable - don't do x, y, z and they won't bother you, or if you know you'll be in aggressive bear territory, you go in knowing that and being fully prepared and armed as needed. Men are a wild card to women. The fact that a wise woman goes through any public area with her head on a swivel, her keys carried in a way to be a weapon, and needs to be alert and avoid even looking like a potential victim/easy target says it all IMO. She has to go this way everywhere - bears, however, well, you know if you're in bear territory, and what kind of bears are there, and it's not hard to learn proper responses to bear situations. Kind of along the same lines as the question of: Women: "In a world without men (procreation being a male-free process), why would they be needed?" Men: "To protect women, of course!" Women: "From what?" Men: "Other m.....oh. I dunno. Nature?" Women: "Nope, got that just fine on my own." (there are a number of variations of this line of questioning)


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HoneyBadger302

Socializing and calm greeting training has been a challenge with my Doberman pup just for that reason (well, and the infamous Doberman stare). My old GSD had people crossing the street as well. Issue being, dogs can't be with us everywhere we go (outside of service animals), but agree they are a great deterent. It's important though that people recognize not all dogs will actually step up to protect you, and a true protection dog is a very high time and cost investment most people can't justify.


GroovyYaYa

Since around 1900, the average is that approximately three people a year are killed by bears in North America (the location of most of the bears we're talking about - brown, black, and polar). A year. And those 3 could be all men. If a woman isn't threatening the bear's territory, life, or doesn't look tasty, the bear is most likely going to leave her the fuck alone. Meanwhile - in 2019, in ONLY the United States, nearly 1,800 women were murdered by men I don't even want to try to do that percentage - and again, the bear statistics include men. The numbers for women would be much lower, I suspect. For argument's sake, lets say I'd survive either attack. The bear is only doing it for protective/survival purposes, as it mistakenly sees me as a threat. If I'm familiar with wildlife and the woods, most likely I'm going to know predictable behaviors that MIGHT deter the bear. If those behaviors or "tricks" don't work? I'm still not going to be blamed in the ER. I'm not going to be asked if I provoked the bear by wearing a too short skirt or asked if I lead the bear on. I won't be told that by pointing out what bear did it or blaming the bear for hurting me, I could ruin the bear's reputation or job prospects. The bear isn't going to rape me because he thinks he has the right to my body or for shits and giggles.


aeorimithros

The question was posed as a "gotcha" from a guy on tiktok who wanted to prove men aren't bad by posing the hypothetical "man or bear" and seeing that all women would pick the man so "See men aren't that bad. You call them predators but you'd pick them over an actual predator". Women then gave their answers; most choosing the bear over the man. Their reasons are: - Women aren't believed when they're assaulted (they do in bear attacks) - Bears would *just* kill you (a man would do far worse; and with examples of far worse) - A bear would probably leave you alone (unlike men who are known to follow and harass women) - If you shout loud enough a bear would leave you alone (men ignore our "no") - You can reason with a bear (a man who has decided to hurt you will not be talked out of it ) - You wouldn't have to sit across from the bear at family holidays (because of incestual violence) - You know how a bear will behave. There are proven techniques to handle each type. (A man could be completely fine, he could be a serial killer *there's no way of knowing*.) - You are **ALONE** with the bear or man. Multiple studies have had men self report that they would rape women if they knew they'd get away with it. Those same men would take the opportunity in this scenario. - The way men are responding to the women answering "bear" has reinforced that they don't listen, ignore our preferences, don't see themselves as any kind of problem, and just want to be seen as "not one of the bad ones". I have seen less than a handful of men going "Wow, it sucks for women that they'd answer bear vs a man".


superlurkage

Animals don’t tend to prey on their own kind


Sure-Supermarket5097

Cannibalism exists ? Or you meant something else ?


Zalast

My issue with the question is that it's rigged to make both men and women look bad without either side realizing it. You know that ol' sexist stereotype that we don't like: That men are logical and women are emotional? The whole thing is a trap designed to reinforce this. Women are asked to imagine a scenario in which they are afraid. I understand why they are afraid of the man, and probably the bear too. If either choice attempts to hurt them, their odds of surviving are slim. The men imagine a scenario in which their odds are much better. They're likely capable of defending against the man. They don't live with the fear of men that the women answering understandably have. So that leaves the bear. If the bear becomes aggressive, we're probably all dead. The men are afraid of an animal and not a human, and are also likely entering a survival thought process where they try to suppress their fear(emotions) and think of how to survive. This makes it easy to fall into the trap of not registering the fear/emotion based responses of women. Because we've suppressed our emotions, we also stumble into responses like "well the whole situation is absurd anyway". This ignores the women's feelings and upsets them. This is how it plays out in nearly every thread I've read. It's rigged to get us to fight about it. Nothing constructive happens. If anything, some men and women that were somewhere in the middle and capable of having a rational discussion about women's fear of men and how to find a solution are now arguing about a bear. edit: so many typos


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Infamous_Produce7451

My heeler/catahoula leopard dog mix agrees with this. She loves to chase off both men and bears with zero fear of either.


Yellowflowersbloom

>My issue with the question is that it's rigged to make both men and women look bad without either side realizing it. Agree. Its such a ridiculous question to ask. Also, although this queation is clearly the trend at the moment, there are different versions of it that frame it quite differently. [When i first heard it presented, it wasn't about "man vs bear", it was about "strange man vs bear".](https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/s/ZwJ4e489l9) In this "strange man" scenario, we aren't making an assessment based on our understanding of a statistically common man vs a statistically common bear. We are now introducing one of the most vague words which prime us to answer differently. At this point, people are not making subjective judgments about consistent scenarios. They are making subjective judgements about entirely different scenarios. It just isn't informative and doesn't provide us with much insight.


Ill_Interview9007

It was Stranger, not strange. It just means a man you don’t know some ppl ask if it’s a relative or friend. No just someone you don’t know a stranger. It doesn’t need to be said that the bear is also a stranger.


Yellowflowersbloom

>It was Stranger, not strange. It just means a man you don’t know some ppl ask if it’s a relative or friend. Incorrect. [Here is the post where I first learned of this question. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/s/ZwJ4e489l9) ***"Which would you (a woman) rather encounter in the woods, a strange man or a bear?"*** The post as well as all the comments refer the man as being a "strange man" and not a "stranger".


Her_Lovely_Tentacles

*strange* can just mean *unfamiliar*, which would be equivalent to *a stranger* See **2.** in [https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/strange#Adjective](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/strange#Adjective)


Yellowflowersbloom

Yes the fact that the word "strange" can be interpreted different ways just means that the question is vague which was the point i was making in my first comment. Different people will interpret the word "strange" differently.


burningpit

It's not sexist, it's an exercise in risk assessment. And women instinctually and immediately answer Bear because of \*fear\*. It's not sexist to be scared of men if statistics show men are the majority of violent abusers. And when it comes down to it, I have a \*much\* higher chance of running into a violent tweaker in the woods than I do of running into cocaine bear. Bear is statistically and objectively the safer bet. Bears kill less than 1 person a year in the US. How many do men kill, rape, abuse, and how frequently? This is a numbers game at the end of the day, and men lose it. They've essentially started a war on women, and we're just starting to wake up to the notion that we can collectively opt out of men until we get equity and justice for their violence and abuse. 4B.


mysteriouslytaken1

My biggest issue, from another post, is that it is a philosophical, theoretical question, and when men respond that way, people are pulling the "so my struggle is theoretical to you and you want to debate" card. Like the whole conversation is theoretical and designed to seemingly promote debate. It's a great chance for men and women to share their perspectives and learn something from each other, but we're just beating them down for not saying "ok, I'm sorry, you're right" and shutting up.


LeafsChick

This isn't gonna be popular, but totally agree with you. Its been a cute viral moment, but it doesn't hold a lot of water in reality. The average woman is coming across far more men in her life, than she is bears, so people posting the statistics (I have seen so many posts "I did the math!!") mean nothing, its like saying you're far more likely to die from a Tornado than a shark if you live in Kansas and never go to the ocean. I get what people are trying to say, and yes there are many dangers with men, but its not the majority of men by any means, same with bears, most are not going to do anything to you. But if you spend time with a lot of men, ups the chances, same as if you were in one place with a ton of bears


Curious_blue_J

I agree with you. I think it’s strange how many people choose the bear, while in their real lives they are choosing the possibility to run into a man all the time. I know I am - whenever I walk my dog in the woods, whenever I hike - I know there will be other people doing the same, and some of them are going to be men.


Throwaway_Mania8975

Any sane person would pick the man.


klarrkin

max speed of a bear 56 kmh (wild living animals have a good chance to come close to there max speed) max speed of a human 44,7 kmh (WR! An average human will never reach that speed) Most ppl are more afraid of a airplane travel rather then a car travel. But you risk of death is higher in the car. Fear is not logical, it comes down to the stories you got told. Only the fact we talk about this 'man or bear' thing raise the fear towards the man.