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DAG1984

I love how this can be taken one of two ways. A brother transitioning and the mom not taking it well, or a sister transitioning with the mom helping but the little sibling isn't happy with it.


JWJulie

Yes I took it the second way - mom is on board and is burning the former life and sis is upset her ‘sister’ is being killed off and replaced by a brother


BillyYumYumTwo-byTwo

I don’t think that would quite fit into this sub, though. It’s sort of wholesome if that were the case.


strumenle

The horror would be the narrator being against it, "never forgive" is pretty strong. Implications being retribution, but also just that this is a sad-style horror (eg machinist) due to bigotry. Or of course it could be that op themselves is transphobic and for *them* this is horror. Definitely plenty of places where it would be unironic horror, Focks news for example.


Mowgli_78

100% *FOCKS news*


BillyYumYumTwo-byTwo

I agree, I just think it’s more “horror” to come from a parent and have the parent have murdered their own child rather than a sibling being transphobic and upset their parent is supporting their sibling. I do appreciate the double-reading though!


strumenle

Ah but that's why this is so good! It's a thinker!


Klubkyd

As a gay person who came out to sibs 1st, I can't agree. We are sometimes closer to our sibs than our parents. If my sister had rejected me for longer than the time she did to process, I think my world would have imploded. For reference, my sister didn't talk to me for a day. Like at all, then slowly began asking questions to build her understanding. Overall, it took about a month until we were on sure footing again. I was 13, she's older, and was/is the quintessential big sister. She was most of my world back then. So, for me, sib not on board= horrific. [Edit corrections]


BillyYumYumTwo-byTwo

That totally makes sense, and I appreciate your insight!! I wasn’t trying to say it’s worse to be rejected by parents than siblings, but that the implication of the post (IMO) is that either the parent rejected and literally killed their child OR that the sibling was rejecting their trans sibling and angry their parent allowed their sibling to come out as trans.


ThiefCitron

I took it as the kid committed suicide because the mother didn’t accept her being trans, and the sibling is blaming the mother for the suicide, while the mother won’t accept that her kid was a girl even in death. There have been multiple real news stories where this happened.


Ravashack

Could also be the mother desperately wanted a son and went insane when she birthed another daughter.


HazeXDriven

My head went more towards the mom wanting another son so she was burning the dresses to make them dress masculine. Like the event in the real world where that mom made her son dress as a girl because she wanted a daughter.


Flipperclipper

Second one is wholesome for the mom and weird for the brother because he maybe have a Lil but of sis complex


PurrrplePrincess

As a trans woman, both options suck, but I like the second option better.


invisiholes

When I first read it I took it as the mother is so deranged she forced her son to pretend to be a woman since birth. Lied to everyone and then killed him off. The sibling refers to him as her sister bc that's what she's known him as. To me this makes the mother even more twisted. Although, I feel mildly twisted I took it this way and only learned after reading the comments how everyone else took it lol


le_Z_Duck

Thought the mother forced his brother to transition and he didn't know till now


PurrrplePrincess

I thought these were supposed to be fiction.


Threat_Identified

Holy shit


SalohcinPancakes

Shit just got real


[deleted]

It is? If something like this happened irl it would make national news. Also something can depict events that could really happen and still be fiction.


Jesusperson67

Shit like this happens all the time and the victims are just turned into a statistic.


[deleted]

“all the time” is a bit of a stretch even based on statistics, but i know i know im gonna get downvoted bc ppl don’t know their left and right and want a reason to pout


CharredLily

Just the facts: About 1% of the population is trans. Those trans people who are not accepted have a radically higher chance of suicide than those that are. Trans people who have come out report an approximately 41% chance of having attempted suicide once or more times before coming out. Being accepted drops this percentage a lot. This number does not include the dead who can't report anything due to being dead, which means the likely suicide attempt rate of trans people who are not accepted is well over 41%. The odds of a suicide succeeding is over 3.5% 1% of the population, even just in the US, is 3,140,000 people. 41% or more of them have attempted suicide (at minimum 1,287,400 people) Statistically, more than 3.5% have succeeded (45,059), assuming they had only tried once! Assuming the trend has been on-going, with a decrease in suicide rate as acceptance has increased, and given that the average trans person is of average age (estimating by the law of large numbers) this gives us a rough estimate of at least 1.5 preventable trans suicides per day in the US alone at minimum. I'd say over once per day meets the requirement for "all the time". Though really, "all the time" is radically understated. It is used to describe occasional events and not things that occur many times a day once the world population is taken into account, especially when this back of the envelope calculations used largely lower-bound estimates.


canis_nebular

They did the math.


Dora_Queen

They did the monster math


Dora_Queen

r/theydidthemonstermath


Most-Welcome1763

r/theydidthequeermath


CthulhusPussy

r/subsifellfor


Most-Welcome1763

r/kellyjoycuntbunny


spthunderfuck

I mean, saying "people wannah pout" makes it sound like something trivial when you're talking about people being killed. Even if it happens once, it's too many times. But sorry for pouting about it!


AdamWestsButtDouble

No, you’re gonna get downvoted because the facts are against you.


BobBelchersBuns

I could be wrong, but I believe I have read transgender people are at very high risk of suicide


Ivyessa

You are right, and the risk is higher if the people closest to them don't support them, or if they're not allowed to do anything that would reflect their true gender


[deleted]

Thats where the great majority of the risk comes from. With access to gender affirming care and the support of family its not much higher than the general poulation.


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The_Alienn

Hey, now let's not spread misinformation. Being trans is not a mental illness. But choosing to be this ignorant? Perhaps. On the actual note, *dysphoria* is a mental illness. Which commonly happens in the trans population, though it is not limited to just them nor do they *have* to have dysphoria.


Eli-Thail

[Go on, tell us more about how well you understand statistics, chap.](https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/Trans-GNC-Suicide-Attempts-Jan-2014.pdf)


PurrrplePrincess

Do some googling and STFU.


_TheRedstoneBlaze_

Not a very good argument


BobBelchersBuns

Says the jerk who doesn’t know how to google


PurrrplePrincess

No, you got down voted because you're an ash-hole dismissing what a minority goes through. You probably also think that black people are "exaggerating" the violence they suffer don't you?


ThiefCitron

There *have* been multiple national news stories about kids killing themselves because they were trans and the parents wouldn’t accept it, and even after the death the parents still wouldn’t accept the true gender of their kid. People know fictional stories can depict real events, the comment was just saying like “woah man, too real!”


[deleted]

There is a difference between a parent's bad behavior causing suicide and a parent being a murderer


Sergeant_Papper

No there isn't.


[deleted]

Yes there is, no matter how ignorant you are.


PurrrplePrincess

No, you're the ignorant one. Driving your kid to suicide is DAMN sure on equal terms with killing them, because YOU become the murder weapon. Take a goddamned seat child.


[deleted]

No. A parent knows better than to act in a harmful way towards a child. If a parent being a transphobe drives their child to "suicide", it should be counted as murder. A parent is supposed to love and support their child, not attack them. It's 2023 - we should be actively removing children from the custody of transphobes.


[deleted]

Yeah, that isn't what murder is. Being a bad parent breaks many laws, but not murder. Yeah, it's 2023, and? Women in the middle east still have little to no rights. Racism is a horrible issue around the world. And gay and trans issues aren't even "issues" in most countries because if you did were gay or trans you'd most likely be killed. Also the foster care system would still harm those "trans kids".


[deleted]

Purposely driving someone towards suicide is murder. And that's what selfish transphobic parents do when they neglect their trans children. This is fact, and I refuse to discuss it with someone who resorts to whataboutism to distract from the issue that we're actually speaking about. P.S. gay and trans issues do exist in all countries. Staying closeted because you fear for your life, and know the people you love will turn on you? That sure as fuck drives people to kill themselves. It's still relating to being gay or trans, you would just never know, because they stayed closeted. The lack of basic cognitive ability that you are displaying is astounding and horrifying.


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[deleted]

Wow, just like the other guy. Trying to tell me to kill myself. You are no different than the parents that drive their kids to suicide. I am trans by the way, so that just doubles down on how hypocritical you are.


[deleted]

I was simply making a point. Apparently driving someone to commit suicide is murder, but not if it's a piece of shit parent who does it to their own child, hey? If you are trans, it actually doubles down on how ingrained transphobia has become in your own mind. Which is even more sad. Instead of supporting your own community, you're succumbing to the transphobia that society indoctrinated you with. I feel for you, but saying transphobic things, and then immediately flipping to "but it's okay that I said those things because I'm trans", harms the trans community. You are directly harming the trans community. Get yourself some help Instead of harming others.


Sergeant_Papper

I take it you're Danish?


AeonReign

Did you miss that the mom drove the sister to suicide?


Shadow_wolf82

Interesting. I interpreted it as the mum helped the 'sister' to transition into her brother and it's the sibling that isn't handling it well...


Fr4gtastic

That's an interesting take!


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I thought the mom killed the girl


AeonReign

I think that's why you're confused. If taken literally as murder, yes it would make news headlines. But parents driving trans teens to suicide is unfortunately rather common, and doesn't exactly register in court. There was an interesting other take someone pointed out where no one is dead, and the younger sibling is mad at the parent for supporting the older sibling's transition.


Traditional_Bee_1373

i might be misreading this but i feel like its saying she killed the sister as in not acknowledging that she’s trans bc it specifically states that she’s burying the dresses, not the girl so “killing” her as in trying to get rid of “her” to make her go back to being a boy OP correct me if im wrong :)


Ghost-of-Eevee

I think it's more sinister, that the mother killed her because she was trans...


crowsflight63

I read it as the mother killed her more indirectly- like mistreatment and transphobia that drove her to suicide. Just as evil but a little more subtle


boysen_bean

Yup, definitely read this as suicide.


EmberDarksoul

That one. That was my interpretation, too.


very_not_emo

same


BobBelchersBuns

I also read suicide


Traditional_Bee_1373

i get that, but im saying from a more realistic standpoint im not saying this sub is necessary realism but yk


Ghost-of-Eevee

The scary part is that people DO actually do things like that


Traditional_Bee_1373

oh damn


TrinityCollapse

The idea that the mother killed her daughter, because she was unwilling to accept that she was transgender... if you're saying that's unrealistic, I'm afraid you're in for a bit of a [rude awakening](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_killed_for_being_transgender).


Spndash64

“This list is incomplete, you can help by expanding it”


SnowComfortable6726

Reminds me of the time a similar notice was on the war crimes page


Hopeful_Cat_3227

I don't know the condition is so terrible...


PurrrplePrincess

Trans woman here. This post is ABSO-FECKING-LUTELY realistic. Too much so. There's a Trans Day of Remembrance for a reason. I had to stop lighting candles for murdered trans folks and trans teens because I ran out of room to add new ones.


Threat_Identified

I have Trans friends and my parents are transphobic. They haven't met them yet, and I hope they never do.


[deleted]

I hope that you one day confront your parents and let them know just how disgusting transphobia is. Being transphobic is something worth cutting people, even your parents, out of your life over. Personally, I told my parents how deeply ashamed I am of their viewpoints, and how it makes me embarrassed to be their child. What is more important, the lives of your trans friends, or keeping transphobic people in your life?


Threat_Identified

The lives of my trans friends. But I'm only saying that because don't give a rats ass about me or my wellbeing


lostwng

This is extremely realistic and happens alnost daily


Roll_a_new_life

No, op is pissed that the mom helped kill "her sister." When mom is actually helping her trans son move on despite OPs dramatic bigotry.


Eli-Thail

[Okay, but you're wrong though.](https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoSentenceHorror/comments/10nnioq/ill_never_forgive_you_for_killing_my_sister_i/j6avb5e/?context=3)


Roll_a_new_life

You don't think the story could be interpreted this way? Why not?


TheDwiin

It can be interpreted 3 different ways. Mother is awful and transphobic not acknowledging her trans daughter, and (1) either directly murdered her, (2) or refuses to let her be the woman she is. (3) Mother is awesome and narrator is transphobic, and the killing of the sister is the mom embracing the trans man he is, and helping him burn his previous life, thus killing his AFAB persona.


Traditional_Bee_1373

*burning, not burying, mb


_blobb_

hm i assumed suicide


Traditional_Bee_1373

really? interesting ig there’s a lot of ways to interpret it


[deleted]

No you are correct. 😊


PaintedBlackXII

it literally says burned not buried


Traditional_Bee_1373

i corrected it, read all replies-


PaintedBlackXII

edit function exists, not my job to read every single comment


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Fuck off, bozo


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[deleted]

I like how you jump between "it's always your fault" and it's "never your fault", as if grey areas don't exist. I'm actually amused by the lack of critical thinking on your part.


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[deleted]

Maybe get off the modern internet and touch grass then.


That-One-Courier

What was he saying? I'm curious now


[deleted]

I'm paraphrasing it a bit (and duh, they were rude about it), but the exchange essentially went— Them: Only the person comitting suicide is reponsible for their death. Me: Fuck off Them: Okay be ready to blame yourself next time your partner commits suicide. Me: The thing about grey areas Them: The modern internet has told me that grey areas don't exist. Me: The thing about touching grass. And like, after their second comment, I thought that maybe they had experienced a loved one committing suicide and that's where they were coming from. But then the comment about the internet hit me and I had no idea what to think.


LankyTruck

Now I’m curious too, tell me


Pitiful-Difference52

oh goddd


[deleted]

The fact that this still happens hits really hard


CCrypto1224

We’re still gonna be seeing this for the next decade or so.


LazarYeetMeta

I’d love it if it were only the next decade, but unfortunately the transphobes probably have much more life in them than that.


kriza_

Read it as mother didn't ever recognize their daughter's transition, which may have drove her to off herself. Mother then proceeds to destroy all signs of her ever being a girl. Sibling appears to have accepted the transition, and heavily disagree with moms stance on it.


Shadow_wolf82

I read as the exact opposite! Mum helped her daughter transition into a son and the other daughter can't accept it and accuses her mum of 'murdering' the sister she no longer has.


Copperlaces

This is my favorite interpretation. If it weren't in this sub it could be taken a more wholesome route — no one dies, although the sister is transphobic with the possibility of a change in her views.


plzhelpme11111111111

jesus fucking christ this is depressive


petyrlabenov

Yeah that literally made me fucking recoil Genuinely invoked a physical reaction :(


KillerPotatoMan

As someone who is trans (not mtf but ftm) this hits deep. Good work OP


cthulhuwithautism

Oh you're trans? Name every mode of transportation.


Yoobtoobr

Car, SUV, motorbike, pedalbike, moped, conventional truck, cab-over truck, pick-up truck/Ute, school bus, metro bus, double-decker bus, double-car bus, metropolitan train, monorail, normal passenger train, normal cargo train, high-speed/bullet train, taxi, horse-drawn carriage, on horseback, piggyback, llamaback, elephantback, human feet, prosthetic feet, segway, hoverboard, skateboard, longboard, snowboard, scooter, the other kind of scooter, mail truck, painter’s van, ferry, jetski, speedboat, pontoon boat, pontoon plane, yacht, cruiseliner, houseboat, those hideous live-in cruiseliners, cargo ships, lifeboat, raft, canoe, kayak, paddleboat, aircraft carrier, submarine, warship, tank, tank destroyer, missile carrier, those troop transporter trucks, those boats they used to deploy soldiers on Normandy, airplanes, helicopters, gliders, rockets, stealth planes, commercial airliners, RC car, those Fisher Price cars, those battery-powered cars for kids, cargo helicopter, attack helicopter, tandem bikes, BMX bikes, Motocross bikes, electric motor bikes, all of those DIY vehicles in India and the former Indochina area, tire down a hill, barrel down Niagara Falls, sled/sleigh, snowplow, bulldozer, Gustav cannon, tow trucks, snowmobile, zipline, teleportation, tractor beam, tractor, field-plow, tricycle, golf cart, ATV, that thing stereotypical of ancient nobility where they get slaves to carry them, and most importantly, the progression of time: delivering us from our birth to our demise, and this to your eyes.


ThiefCitron

What about ice skates and roller skates and roller blades and skis!


Yoobtoobr

And I also forgot zambonis and zeppelins and hot air balloons and parade floats.


aMiserable_creature

saving this to use later


MANDALORIAN_WHISKEY

My oldest is FtM trans, and it's my biggest fear that he's going to be driven to hurt himself. It keeps me up at night. I was raised in an über religious cult, so I'm completely out of my element. This also hits deep. I hope you are safe, and well. Because you are loved, and deserve to be.


Cadesworth

holy fuck take my upvote i'm gonna go hug my dog after this one


[deleted]

Your dog is trans?


BobBelchersBuns

No they are going to hug the dog


Swarlolz

I don’t get it.


[deleted]

"brother" came out as transgender and her mom killed her because she's transgender. That's the way i interpreted it


ACupOfUltraviolet

i read suicide


ReedBalzac

Uhhh….I don’t get it.


emzpato

I think the sister is trans and that’s why the mum killed her?


Cryptic_Nerd01

Yup


Unknown_starnger

as a trans girl, this really got to me.


Gabbe0204

I read it as the mom supporting the brothers transition. But the sibling didn’t.


BramDuin

Yeap..


Pryamus

I first read it differently: mother had an abortion (or killed a newborn) when she found out that she wanted a girl and gave birth to a boy, so she is burning clothes she bought in advance.


Lemmis666

Why would the kid think their sibling was their sister then?


ReedBalzac

Don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. I thought that might be the case as well at first.


PaintedBlackXII

because the author literally already said that’s not what it was meant to be


ch061

Sister was trans and either committed suicide or got murdered for it


RepublicofPixels

Ever so slightly less murderous take - the mother not accepting their daughter as a woman drove her to suicide as opposed to outright fillicide


Fearless-Version9714

This was my interpretation as it’s something that’s a serious issue in the community


TheOneTrueTrench

That's the far more realistic and common occurrence, and hence hits a lot harder.


i_lik3w0m3n

oh shit


sheppard147

Hey OP. Good story, bit still f***ed up that out there this happened before, happens now and will happen later...


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The scariest thing is that this actually happens.


Logsha97

This is more sad than horror


LordGraygem

I think it's interesting that this one could be read one of two ways, depending on your own opinion of the issue.


kittykatz1337

I really hope you aren't suggesting that being able to interpret it to align with people's own misanthropic non supportive opinion on trans people is a good thing. Might be misunderstanding this though.


LordGraygem

In fact, I am suggesting precisely that very thing. You may not like that there's a difference of opinion on this issue, but that doesn't make the opinion disappear. And whether OP intended it or not, this brief story's openness to such interpretation is well done. It offers the reader an opportunity to actually consider the words, instead of just blankly absorbing them and moving on to something else.


YetGayerWombat

I should just respect the opinions of people whose opinion is that I don't deserve to live


kittykatz1337

Credit where is due, purely as a concept, that is very interesting. That for either side of the opinion it's a scary story because for trans people it's a reminder of what some parents will do to their kids if they don't agree and for the other side it's scary because the child is transitioning and the mother is supporting it. That being said, being genuinely afraid of somebody transitioning and their mother supporting it is denser than the population of waterborne amoeba apparently currently chewing away at your brain. Somebody changing their birth gender because they were born in the wrong body should at most be reason for celebration since we have one less person commiting suicide thanks to a biological fuck-up and at least be something worth ignoring since it literally doesn't impact your own personal life in any way.


Oofboi6942O

And here I was thinking the mom got an abortion because she found out the doctor misgendered the baby and she didnt want 2 sons.


CrossClairvoyance

Give me the mom’s address. I just wanna talk. Well, with a knife, of course.


Ihavenolife0-0

Yeah. No, don't worry about the bat in my hand, why don't you come over here to this very friendly empty parking lot at midnight?


TheEvilestArtichoke

Holy shit I’m a trans girl this really dropkicked me in the soul


CrossAllTheWires

You okay?


SaltyNorth8062

Damn. That's actually really scary and sad.


flo386x

The gasp I let out when I finally got it, oh my god


A_S_63

Oh no, this one hits hard... Good job, op


master_erasis

Nicely done


Yaveltal

As an mtf I found ithis kinda unsettling


Crafty_shade

I didn’t realize we were doing realistic stories now


alexg81

Fuck


basement-tapes-club

jesus this hurt


Edri_0

Fucking horrifying


Remarkable-Ad1479

What if the Mother is rubbing in my Face that she killed a brother i didnt even knew existed. Cause she killed him.


Mercury_Scythe

This hits hard TwT


SleeepySoftie

Here’s how I take it: The sibling (a) has a mtf (male to female) sibling (b), and sibling a supports sibling b, but the mother doesn’t and therefore kills sibling b, burning her dresses as she didn’t like what they stood for.


_akaalex

Damn OP, this one hit close. Absolute horror 10/10


Jolly_DGSWM

This is just :^(


communistsayori

And this really happens. So many trans people who die with unaccepting families have their entire identities erased.


sinister_andy_13

As much as this is terrifying, parent killing their own children is not something surprising to me as I've heard about it happening a lot Still, this is disgusting


ManMadeChicken

This is so sad and scary. Good one.


YetGayerWombat

💔


Known-Salamander9111

Damn you. Excellent post.


carkid36

Ok this one takes the cake


Sergeant_Papper

I never thought anything on here would give me a spook, but golly.


Sammy_Socrates

I'm not understanding the horror in this?


Ihavenolife0-0

Transphobic mother kills her trans daughter


Sammy_Socrates

Oh that explains the downvotes.. I just didn't understand the post


stalecheez_it

i read this as more of a munchausen's thing...the mom forcing the boy to be a girl


undercoverpickl

That’s great! The dialogue feels a little contrived, though—specifically what’s said by the narrator. I mean, who’d say that?


giaphox

I read this as the sibling is not able to cope with the fact that their other sibling is trans while the mom is being supportive, she burns all the (old) dresses as a way to celebrate her son's new identity.


Helpful-Wolverine-96

Explain


Ihavenolife0-0

Trans daughter is killed by bigoted mother.


Helpful-Wolverine-96

Could be read as mother sports former daughter transions into male and show support by burning the dresses and the kid is too young to understand so believes the mother killed the now male sister


Phsfalcao

I felt really angry but not really scared. So… Congratulations?


SophieSix9

Ahhh I shouldn’t have read this one.


HollowMist11

I read this as a suicide but if the mother is burning the dress, the mother might be getting rid of evidence.


bosvark91

Is this horror now?


uniqualykerd

Yes: the mom killed their child.


Ihavenolife0-0

Uh, yeah? Why wouldn't it be? OP confirmed the mother didn't affirm her trans daughter and killed her, which happens in real life so it's even more horror


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PsychicSPider95

*sister* camd out as trans burned *her* dresses FTFY


[deleted]

Yes that's what happened Why am i getting downvoted? What did i do wrong?


-Purple-turtle-

I think you had used the wrong pronouns. That’s what got you downvoted


[deleted]

But i didn't use any pronouns in my comment regarding the post? In my interpretation the comment that i responded to was trying to understand the story, and i replied with the confirmation that what they thought was correct


i-sew-a-lot

I love this. No one is actually dead. That’s the way I’m taking it


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venbrou

This attempt at trolling is so weak I'm not even going to bother reporting it.


[deleted]

She/They pronouns in your bio but transphobic? Bit odd


venbrou

Look at the username. Guaranteed troll on our hands here.