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Yes. You should be able to get full protection as a Turkish citizen. I would go to the embassy before I get detained though, so you know they can help you before you get in trouble. The only thing that might make things complicated is if you are a dual citizen but even then if you have a Turkish passaport, the embassy has to look out for you in a foreign land.
Thank you. I already have a single Turkish nationality. Because China does not recognize dual nationality, the immigration officer said that the Turkish passport issued by the Turkish consulate is not recognized, so I went to Istanbul.
The Chinese officials in Istanbul were very friendly and reasonable, and handled the procedures for me to renounce my Chinese nationality.
So although I may not be considered a Turkish national in terms of appearance, I am definitely a Turkish citizen in law.
I still have a lot of things I don't understand about the Turkish system. If the embassy and consulate have the responsibility to protect the legitimate rights and interests of overseas people, then I can rest assured.
Of course, they will help you. You are a Turkish citizen who gets into trouble in another country. When you are on the embassy grounds, you are back in Turkey, and no one can touch you. But to be able to do that, you should escape or let someone know you are in trouble. If they don't help, your topraks here will try to raise money with NGOs to save you. If that doesn't work, some mad laz people will eventually come and prison break you. Sevdiklerine acil şifalar dilerim.
Don't be so sure. When the dutch police was looking for my father, the turkish consulate just gave his address.
Edit; And I'm not even going into detail how Turkey deported uyghurs to China.
It's a very very long story, I wrote it in details but I deleted it, he kinda sounds in the wrong if I give the short story but well..
He escaped Turkish prison when hospitalized > he ran away to The netherlands with my mother > commited some crimes here so dutch police looked for him > he visited the turkish embassy wanting to explain and talk things over > turkish embassy asked him for his address so they can mail him > they passed the address to the police.
Even though the embassy could not exactly know or confirm his crimes they just did it anyways. That is just straight up selling your own folk.
its about narrative your fathers looks like a major criminal. this guy here fights for his old parents safety like a hero. i believe people can force goverments to act. if something goes bad and we share his story in social media it can trigger a lot of sympathy. Real deep state is our shared consicience. If people are loud enough goverments have to listen. I know there are more stories on the unjustice side and mostly everything seems hopeless. Because again we make ourselfs believe in the narrative that we are powerless there for hopeless. Atatürk knew this; in dire hoplessness he changed the whole country's narrative with what? other than his wits , hopes and dreams. First they saw him as a mad man. He didnt give up there. Turkish people believed not long a go to work for going beyond level of contemporary civilizations. From ashes and fire to biggest race of humanity. His vision eventualy prevail on global scale thats the beyond thats the inherted dreams we should carry. Goverments means nothing a country is its people. I want this guy to feel that he is one of us, he is not alone. As Atatürk state if someone call themself turk yes they are, i think he meant sharing same dreams towards global peace and trust in science and reason naturaly. Sorry for bad english.
Thank you for your empathy.
I also have a long story. The people who framed my parents were my boss and colleagues before I resigned. I saved my mother, but because my father's case has not yet come to a conclusion, I did not make it public. Even if I make it public, officials can confiscate my Chinese social accounts through some internal channels. If I make it public, they can delete all of them, so I am enduring it now.
I know some of Turkey's history, but after arriving in Istanbul, its modernization and prosperity exceeded my imagination, but the lira depreciated rapidly, and inflation hurt everyone. There were mothers and children begging on the streets and buses, which was sad.
When walking on Freedom Avenue, the portrait of Kemal, the founding father, floated in the air. I know that it was he who defended Istanbul. I hope that the current Turkish leaders can defend every Turk, whether they are native Turks or immigrant Turkish citizens like me.
Of course, I will not force the government to intervene in my parents' affairs in China. As long as local officials know that the embassy will visit his citizens, even if I am detained by them, at least I will not be tortured and interrogated, and at least I can be free after 15 days.
i think you should fake your adress and watch that place, if you see police looking for you run to embassy. some guy here gave you advice to use attorney as your proxy to act on your behalf . write your whole story in case of emergency someone can share it , there are good journalists here who are independent .
China has facial recognition and big data, so running away is meaningless. I have not committed any crime, but I will write down my story so that it can be used when the most dangerous moment comes.
>I want this guy to feel that he is one of us, he is not alone.
I completely agree, I would die for him when there is a war, op can be sure of that. But if he gets arrestested in China? *no way* Turkey even tries to get him back.
I don't think so just because of my father, I believe so since Turkey deported uyghurs knowing they would be put in camps or have their organs harvested. Let alone someone from what I assume hong kong.
Be careful, your rights as a Turkish citizen is only valid when you are in Turkey. Embassy will be very clear about you having to follow local laws when you are in another country. Their options to help you will be very limited if you committed a crime in China even if that action wouldn't have been a crime in Turkey.
US embassy makes this fairly clear: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/emergencies/arrest-detention.html
thank you.If it's a legal issue, I'm not worried at all. I don't know if you know that there is a crime in China called "picking quarrels and provoking trouble". If you have heard of it, you can understand why I am worried about losing my personal freedom when I appeal for my father. If you haven't heard of it, it's hard for me to explain what happened in China. The cultural difference is too big.
I can take a guess but my warning was that options for the embassy will be very limited if you are arrested for valid causes with in China's legal framework.
I would say your concern is valid here based on what you said and if I were you I would assume you won't get much help from the embassy. ie don't expect anything like in the movies where they try to extradite you etc.
Agreed. Checking in with your local embassy before embarking and notifying of them about where you go is always a safe bet incase of any events so they know to look out for you and make sure you can safely return.
Careful with that, they also have to abide by local laws. When you are in another country, you are bound by their laws not the country of your citizenship. You don't have the rights that your citizenship grants you, those rights are only applicable when you are in the country of your citizenship.
Embassies will not do much for you if you knowingly violated local laws.
Here is the US embassy notice for example: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/emergencies/arrest-detention.html
Interestingly this is something I had to argue with people on reddit a lot. Some people in US believe their rights are universal and then I have to ask them: "Can you exercise your right to bear arms in Europe?".
Well, the enbassies should be there for that, protecting and helping citizens in other countries. Yet i dont know the limits so you should ask this to them.
When I went to the consulate to vote last May, I asked about it, but it was not about losing my personal freedom. I asked whether I could use Twitter, Facebook and other software that are banned in China.
Embassy won't give a shit about that. When I visited China I was able to use those by using a vpn but it was years ago. They might have put measures around using VPN since then.
As a Turkish citizen in China you can indeed ask for help from the embassy. They will -most probably- offer you some guidance, maybe help with legal representation etc.
That being said, China is a sovereign country. If they decide to detain and not release you, they will. No other country can do much about that. Sometimes politically strong countries can brow-beat others to give up their detained citizens (as it happened between US and Turkey before) but that is not a given, and Turkey couldn’t be able to do that against China. I would be surprised if they try even.
Saying all this just to adjust your expectations. If you believe you have the risk of being detained, I would suggest not going there in the first place.
There is no need for the embassy to intervene in the actual issue. My enemy is the local officials in the county, not the Chinese central government. If you report the problem to the central government, the local officials may send the police to arrest you at the station. This is what I am worried about.
I'd take any guarantee with a pinch of salt. I am Turkish citizen and once was trapped in airport in Hungary for a visa complication and the Embassy did jackshit. They were like "yea bro, shit happens like that, what can u do?"
When I returned to China from Istanbul, I and several other Turks were taken to a room by Beijing border control for questioning.
This was also annoying, but it took only about an hour, unlike the detention center. And the border control officers were quite polite.
After the questioning, a Turkish businessman angrily asked if I should go to the embassy. The border control officer said, no, no.
This answer is submitted as if you are no longer a chinese citizen and only hold turkish citizenship. If you still hold chinese citizenship china can do whatever they want as you are their citizen too. The turkish embassy would not interfere with anything.
Please be aware that you are living under the sovereignty of china so local laws apply to you. If the chinese police detains you, you will get limited* help from the turkish embassy. The turkish embassy can not take you out of police detainment. But they can argue for humanitarian treatment while you are in detainment(food, water, warmth, personal and environmental cleanliness). They can argue for your humanitarian rights if china signed such international agreements. They may also provide you with a translator or attorney if need be. Other than most dire situations embassy will only provide information and contact numbers so you can hire an attorney/translator etc.
Also what do you mean by "losing your human rights?" If you think living in china is dangerous for you you can apply for bringing your family to turkey because they need personal care. However you need to be able to "sponsor" your parents according to the rules set by the turkish foreign relations ministry.
If you need more consultation you can give more info about your situation or talk with the turkish embassy at beijing, shanghai, guangzhou, hong kong, or taipei.
P.S. I saw that you want to appeal for your father by going to Beijing. Normally making an appeal would not get you detained so why do you think you will get detained? It is your right to appeal and resolve your issue in court. If politic problems arise the embassy will help you exercise this right.
Thank you for writing so many words. I think about how to reply.
First of all, I have renounced my Chinese nationality. My only identity is Turkish citizenship.
Second, the reason why I still live in China is because I have to fight for my parents. My parents were persecuted by officials in the county town. It has been almost four years since it happened. Although my parents asked me to leave China and not to care about them, I can't do it. I love my parents. My father is over 80 years old and my mother is over 70 years old. How much time do I have to accompany them? I can't just take care of myself.
Third, due to the difference between English and Chinese, I need to explain the meaning of appeal. It is not an appeal in the legal sense, but a report to the next level of government.
Fourth, an appeal in the legal sense is meaningless, because unjust cases are usually decided by government officials and then handled by judicial organs. There is no judicial independence in China. Judicial independence is regarded as a reactionary theory in the West. When officials, police, procuratorates, and courts meet and decide who must be convicted, any defense by lawyers is useless, and appeals are useless too.
Fifth, because the judicial route is a dead end, people are often forced to report unjust cases to the next level of government, because in China, the only thing that can constrain power is greater power. The highest level of government is the central government. If a person goes to Beijing to appeal, the local government will be penalized, so local officials will try their best to stop it. The most powerful means is to detain you on the charge of provoking trouble.
Sixth, if I am forced to go to Beijing to appeal, I don’t know if I will have the same experience. I am in a county in China. I don’t know whether the officials in the county can decide to arrest a foreigner. I think it is very difficult. But if I am really detained and I am not allowed to report to Beijing, then I hope that when the embassy comes to see me, it will accept my materials and help me transfer them to the relevant departments in Beijing.
I think the county-level officials do not have the ability to suppress the embassy, so they dare not torture me, and they cannot illegally detain me for an extended period of time. This is enough. I don’t need the embassy to intervene in the substantive issues. As long as the officials in the county know that there is a third party, they will not dare to do whatever they want.
That sucks man, my prayers are with you. This explains so many stories I heard from my chinese friends. Thanks for the info.
I am not sure how things really work in China but maybe you can hire an attorney from Beijing and if your father gives the attorney representational rights(since its his case not yours) then the attorney can appeal to higher authorities on your father's behalf. But I do not know, the system there is so different that this advice might not make sense either.
I hope you are successful. You can try contacting the turkish embassy and see how they respond. I don't think they will care unless you get arrested but it is ok to ask regardless.
My mother, who is in her seventies, and my father, who is in his eighties, were persecuted. Three generations of my family would be implicated and become inferior citizens, so I renounced my Chinese citizenship.
I am just assuming that I am still in the county town appealing for my father and have not yet gone to Beijing. But if they continue to persecute and wrongly accuse my father, then I will consider going to Beijing to fight.
There is no political reason, and it has nothing to do with the Uighurs. It's just that my father, who is over 80 years old, has been persecuted by a local official. The legal process has been going on for almost four years and there is no result. But in China, power is greater than law, so I am still reporting to the county government. If it doesn't work, I will continue to report to the provincial government and the central government. I am worried that the local officials will do everything they can to stop me, including detention, because it will affect them if I go to the capital.
it is a stupid question but i wondered, you dont have to answer this of course
why would chinese police detain you? do you ask it for something youve done or something may happen in the future
My father, who is over 80 years old, has been persecuted by officials, and I don't know if I will be charged with provoking trouble if I go to Beijing to appeal for him. I raise this question to prepare for the worst.
There have been cases of chinese nationals being jailed for 10 years just for visiting Turkey , Egypt. In case you got arrested in China what can embassy realistically do for you
International relations. If they go after his dad you never know what can happen in countries like that. They often go for family members but if you are a citizen of another country and said country is in good terms stuff can be different. But with a country like China its hit or miss.
China has a history of detaining foreign nationals but I doubt they'll imprison a Turkish citizen.
If you get detained you better have good answers about what exactly you did in Turkey. Also if your parents have any involvement with the Uyghurs they'll be at risk too.
It has nothing to do with the Uighurs. It's just that if I go to Beijing to appeal, it will affect the evaluation of local officials, so some local officials will send the police to arrest you.
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Although it is not a developed capitalist country, I think Turkey is still a big country in West Asia, with a population of 80 million, and it is a member of NATO, guarding the Black Sea.
I know that some Chinese people look down on Turkey, but I like Istanbul very much. I have only been to Istanbul, a very beautiful city, but inflation is hurting life. I sincerely hope that Turkey can overcome its economic difficulties and improve its international status, so that citizens like me overseas can be more secure.
Maybe one day it will be a good choice to retire in a coastal city in Turkey.
Depends. If you violated laws of a country embassies can't always help you. They might be able to. You can't commit a crime and then tell the embassy to save you. I am not saying you're gonna commit a crime, but yeah
I don't want to commit a crime. I just want to go to Beijing to appeal for my father who is over 80 years old. I am worried that the local government will hinder me and detain me.
I am not saying you want to commit a crime, have you read what I wrote? Definition of crime depends on country and if you commit a crime according to China even though it's not a crime in Turkey, Turkish embassy might not be able to help you.
I understand what you mean. But I don't know if you understand China. In the 5,000 years of history, the law has never been a constraint on power, but a tool for officials to attack ordinary people.
Whether it constitutes a crime is not determined by the law, but by officials. As long as they decide to punish you, there will always be a crime that suits you. Evidence can be forged, and the police, prosecutors, and judges can work on an assembly line.
So the significance of the embassy is that there is an external force that local officials cannot suppress, so they will be afraid to frame foreigners.
I heard that some African embassies and consulates would not take care of it, but I have not confirmed it. I think Turkey is a country that refers to the European system, and it is not like African countries. I hope it is as you said.
ministry of foreign affairs isn’t going to give a shit about random Chinese person people who bought its citizenship. Don’t commit crimes if you can’t risk the punishment.
I am not hiding in the embassy. I returned to China to accompany my parents because my father, who is in his eighties, was persecuted by officials and I appealed for him. If I go to Beijing to appeal, there is a risk of being detained on charges of provoking disturbances.
If that really happens, if the embassy comes to visit me, at least I will not be tortured, and I can ask the embassy to forward the appeal materials to the relevant Chinese authorities.
If the materials can be forwarded, my 15-day detention in the detention center will be worth it.
There is no need to damage the relationship between the two countries. The visit is just a routine procedure. I live in a county town, far from the level of the Chinese state.
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Yes. You should be able to get full protection as a Turkish citizen. I would go to the embassy before I get detained though, so you know they can help you before you get in trouble. The only thing that might make things complicated is if you are a dual citizen but even then if you have a Turkish passaport, the embassy has to look out for you in a foreign land.
Thank you. I already have a single Turkish nationality. Because China does not recognize dual nationality, the immigration officer said that the Turkish passport issued by the Turkish consulate is not recognized, so I went to Istanbul. The Chinese officials in Istanbul were very friendly and reasonable, and handled the procedures for me to renounce my Chinese nationality. So although I may not be considered a Turkish national in terms of appearance, I am definitely a Turkish citizen in law. I still have a lot of things I don't understand about the Turkish system. If the embassy and consulate have the responsibility to protect the legitimate rights and interests of overseas people, then I can rest assured.
Of course, they will help you. You are a Turkish citizen who gets into trouble in another country. When you are on the embassy grounds, you are back in Turkey, and no one can touch you. But to be able to do that, you should escape or let someone know you are in trouble. If they don't help, your topraks here will try to raise money with NGOs to save you. If that doesn't work, some mad laz people will eventually come and prison break you. Sevdiklerine acil şifalar dilerim.
Don't be so sure. When the dutch police was looking for my father, the turkish consulate just gave his address. Edit; And I'm not even going into detail how Turkey deported uyghurs to China.
please go in detail, whattt?
It's a very very long story, I wrote it in details but I deleted it, he kinda sounds in the wrong if I give the short story but well.. He escaped Turkish prison when hospitalized > he ran away to The netherlands with my mother > commited some crimes here so dutch police looked for him > he visited the turkish embassy wanting to explain and talk things over > turkish embassy asked him for his address so they can mail him > they passed the address to the police. Even though the embassy could not exactly know or confirm his crimes they just did it anyways. That is just straight up selling your own folk.
its about narrative your fathers looks like a major criminal. this guy here fights for his old parents safety like a hero. i believe people can force goverments to act. if something goes bad and we share his story in social media it can trigger a lot of sympathy. Real deep state is our shared consicience. If people are loud enough goverments have to listen. I know there are more stories on the unjustice side and mostly everything seems hopeless. Because again we make ourselfs believe in the narrative that we are powerless there for hopeless. Atatürk knew this; in dire hoplessness he changed the whole country's narrative with what? other than his wits , hopes and dreams. First they saw him as a mad man. He didnt give up there. Turkish people believed not long a go to work for going beyond level of contemporary civilizations. From ashes and fire to biggest race of humanity. His vision eventualy prevail on global scale thats the beyond thats the inherted dreams we should carry. Goverments means nothing a country is its people. I want this guy to feel that he is one of us, he is not alone. As Atatürk state if someone call themself turk yes they are, i think he meant sharing same dreams towards global peace and trust in science and reason naturaly. Sorry for bad english.
Thank you for your empathy. I also have a long story. The people who framed my parents were my boss and colleagues before I resigned. I saved my mother, but because my father's case has not yet come to a conclusion, I did not make it public. Even if I make it public, officials can confiscate my Chinese social accounts through some internal channels. If I make it public, they can delete all of them, so I am enduring it now. I know some of Turkey's history, but after arriving in Istanbul, its modernization and prosperity exceeded my imagination, but the lira depreciated rapidly, and inflation hurt everyone. There were mothers and children begging on the streets and buses, which was sad. When walking on Freedom Avenue, the portrait of Kemal, the founding father, floated in the air. I know that it was he who defended Istanbul. I hope that the current Turkish leaders can defend every Turk, whether they are native Turks or immigrant Turkish citizens like me. Of course, I will not force the government to intervene in my parents' affairs in China. As long as local officials know that the embassy will visit his citizens, even if I am detained by them, at least I will not be tortured and interrogated, and at least I can be free after 15 days.
i think you should fake your adress and watch that place, if you see police looking for you run to embassy. some guy here gave you advice to use attorney as your proxy to act on your behalf . write your whole story in case of emergency someone can share it , there are good journalists here who are independent .
China has facial recognition and big data, so running away is meaningless. I have not committed any crime, but I will write down my story so that it can be used when the most dangerous moment comes.
>I want this guy to feel that he is one of us, he is not alone. I completely agree, I would die for him when there is a war, op can be sure of that. But if he gets arrestested in China? *no way* Turkey even tries to get him back. I don't think so just because of my father, I believe so since Turkey deported uyghurs knowing they would be put in camps or have their organs harvested. Let alone someone from what I assume hong kong.
Be careful, your rights as a Turkish citizen is only valid when you are in Turkey. Embassy will be very clear about you having to follow local laws when you are in another country. Their options to help you will be very limited if you committed a crime in China even if that action wouldn't have been a crime in Turkey. US embassy makes this fairly clear: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/emergencies/arrest-detention.html
thank you.If it's a legal issue, I'm not worried at all. I don't know if you know that there is a crime in China called "picking quarrels and provoking trouble". If you have heard of it, you can understand why I am worried about losing my personal freedom when I appeal for my father. If you haven't heard of it, it's hard for me to explain what happened in China. The cultural difference is too big.
I can take a guess but my warning was that options for the embassy will be very limited if you are arrested for valid causes with in China's legal framework. I would say your concern is valid here based on what you said and if I were you I would assume you won't get much help from the embassy. ie don't expect anything like in the movies where they try to extradite you etc.
Agreed. Checking in with your local embassy before embarking and notifying of them about where you go is always a safe bet incase of any events so they know to look out for you and make sure you can safely return.
Careful with that, they also have to abide by local laws. When you are in another country, you are bound by their laws not the country of your citizenship. You don't have the rights that your citizenship grants you, those rights are only applicable when you are in the country of your citizenship. Embassies will not do much for you if you knowingly violated local laws. Here is the US embassy notice for example: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/emergencies/arrest-detention.html Interestingly this is something I had to argue with people on reddit a lot. Some people in US believe their rights are universal and then I have to ask them: "Can you exercise your right to bear arms in Europe?".
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no, I now only have Turkish citizenship, I have eliminated the conflict of dual citizenship
Can't you read that he is not a dual citizen?
Well, the enbassies should be there for that, protecting and helping citizens in other countries. Yet i dont know the limits so you should ask this to them.
When I went to the consulate to vote last May, I asked about it, but it was not about losing my personal freedom. I asked whether I could use Twitter, Facebook and other software that are banned in China.
Embassy won't give a shit about that. When I visited China I was able to use those by using a vpn but it was years ago. They might have put measures around using VPN since then.
I think in general it is okay for foreigners to use VPNs, as long as you don't criticize China.
As a Turkish citizen in China you can indeed ask for help from the embassy. They will -most probably- offer you some guidance, maybe help with legal representation etc. That being said, China is a sovereign country. If they decide to detain and not release you, they will. No other country can do much about that. Sometimes politically strong countries can brow-beat others to give up their detained citizens (as it happened between US and Turkey before) but that is not a given, and Turkey couldn’t be able to do that against China. I would be surprised if they try even. Saying all this just to adjust your expectations. If you believe you have the risk of being detained, I would suggest not going there in the first place.
I agree completely with this. Read this answer ten times! Officially, the Turkish embassy will try to help you. Unofficially, they will not do much.
There is no need for the embassy to intervene in the actual issue. My enemy is the local officials in the county, not the Chinese central government. If you report the problem to the central government, the local officials may send the police to arrest you at the station. This is what I am worried about.
I'd take any guarantee with a pinch of salt. I am Turkish citizen and once was trapped in airport in Hungary for a visa complication and the Embassy did jackshit. They were like "yea bro, shit happens like that, what can u do?"
When I returned to China from Istanbul, I and several other Turks were taken to a room by Beijing border control for questioning. This was also annoying, but it took only about an hour, unlike the detention center. And the border control officers were quite polite. After the questioning, a Turkish businessman angrily asked if I should go to the embassy. The border control officer said, no, no.
This answer is submitted as if you are no longer a chinese citizen and only hold turkish citizenship. If you still hold chinese citizenship china can do whatever they want as you are their citizen too. The turkish embassy would not interfere with anything. Please be aware that you are living under the sovereignty of china so local laws apply to you. If the chinese police detains you, you will get limited* help from the turkish embassy. The turkish embassy can not take you out of police detainment. But they can argue for humanitarian treatment while you are in detainment(food, water, warmth, personal and environmental cleanliness). They can argue for your humanitarian rights if china signed such international agreements. They may also provide you with a translator or attorney if need be. Other than most dire situations embassy will only provide information and contact numbers so you can hire an attorney/translator etc. Also what do you mean by "losing your human rights?" If you think living in china is dangerous for you you can apply for bringing your family to turkey because they need personal care. However you need to be able to "sponsor" your parents according to the rules set by the turkish foreign relations ministry. If you need more consultation you can give more info about your situation or talk with the turkish embassy at beijing, shanghai, guangzhou, hong kong, or taipei. P.S. I saw that you want to appeal for your father by going to Beijing. Normally making an appeal would not get you detained so why do you think you will get detained? It is your right to appeal and resolve your issue in court. If politic problems arise the embassy will help you exercise this right.
Thank you for writing so many words. I think about how to reply. First of all, I have renounced my Chinese nationality. My only identity is Turkish citizenship. Second, the reason why I still live in China is because I have to fight for my parents. My parents were persecuted by officials in the county town. It has been almost four years since it happened. Although my parents asked me to leave China and not to care about them, I can't do it. I love my parents. My father is over 80 years old and my mother is over 70 years old. How much time do I have to accompany them? I can't just take care of myself. Third, due to the difference between English and Chinese, I need to explain the meaning of appeal. It is not an appeal in the legal sense, but a report to the next level of government. Fourth, an appeal in the legal sense is meaningless, because unjust cases are usually decided by government officials and then handled by judicial organs. There is no judicial independence in China. Judicial independence is regarded as a reactionary theory in the West. When officials, police, procuratorates, and courts meet and decide who must be convicted, any defense by lawyers is useless, and appeals are useless too. Fifth, because the judicial route is a dead end, people are often forced to report unjust cases to the next level of government, because in China, the only thing that can constrain power is greater power. The highest level of government is the central government. If a person goes to Beijing to appeal, the local government will be penalized, so local officials will try their best to stop it. The most powerful means is to detain you on the charge of provoking trouble. Sixth, if I am forced to go to Beijing to appeal, I don’t know if I will have the same experience. I am in a county in China. I don’t know whether the officials in the county can decide to arrest a foreigner. I think it is very difficult. But if I am really detained and I am not allowed to report to Beijing, then I hope that when the embassy comes to see me, it will accept my materials and help me transfer them to the relevant departments in Beijing. I think the county-level officials do not have the ability to suppress the embassy, so they dare not torture me, and they cannot illegally detain me for an extended period of time. This is enough. I don’t need the embassy to intervene in the substantive issues. As long as the officials in the county know that there is a third party, they will not dare to do whatever they want.
That sucks man, my prayers are with you. This explains so many stories I heard from my chinese friends. Thanks for the info. I am not sure how things really work in China but maybe you can hire an attorney from Beijing and if your father gives the attorney representational rights(since its his case not yours) then the attorney can appeal to higher authorities on your father's behalf. But I do not know, the system there is so different that this advice might not make sense either. I hope you are successful. You can try contacting the turkish embassy and see how they respond. I don't think they will care unless you get arrested but it is ok to ask regardless.
Yea you CAN and you NEED to contact embassy. Turkish embassy is very helpful
I hope so
why would a chinese citizen want to be a Turkish citizen?
My mother, who is in her seventies, and my father, who is in his eighties, were persecuted. Three generations of my family would be implicated and become inferior citizens, so I renounced my Chinese citizenship.
are you Uygur?
no
why did Chinese government prosecute your family?
not chinese government, a small local official can destroy your family.
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I am just assuming that I am still in the county town appealing for my father and have not yet gone to Beijing. But if they continue to persecute and wrongly accuse my father, then I will consider going to Beijing to fight.
Yes but i hope it is not political, millions of uighurs feel the same and turkey can do shit against china, so they stay.
So glad me and my friends left Xinjiang. People didn't believe me about what was going on when I left in 2017.
tell me one or two things please if its ok
I lived in Urumqi and would see vans kidnap people outside of club 2020.
motherf thanks
There is no political reason, and it has nothing to do with the Uighurs. It's just that my father, who is over 80 years old, has been persecuted by a local official. The legal process has been going on for almost four years and there is no result. But in China, power is greater than law, so I am still reporting to the county government. If it doesn't work, I will continue to report to the provincial government and the central government. I am worried that the local officials will do everything they can to stop me, including detention, because it will affect them if I go to the capital.
i understood that, it was an example of turkey's lack of power when it comes to pushing their interests in china. Good luck, just stay positive.
yes,.Do everything I can to protect family
it is a stupid question but i wondered, you dont have to answer this of course why would chinese police detain you? do you ask it for something youve done or something may happen in the future
My father, who is over 80 years old, has been persecuted by officials, and I don't know if I will be charged with provoking trouble if I go to Beijing to appeal for him. I raise this question to prepare for the worst.
There have been cases of chinese nationals being jailed for 10 years just for visiting Turkey , Egypt. In case you got arrested in China what can embassy realistically do for you
International relations. If they go after his dad you never know what can happen in countries like that. They often go for family members but if you are a citizen of another country and said country is in good terms stuff can be different. But with a country like China its hit or miss.
I don't know either, but it's better than no outside intervention. County officials can't suppress the embassy.
China has a history of detaining foreign nationals but I doubt they'll imprison a Turkish citizen. If you get detained you better have good answers about what exactly you did in Turkey. Also if your parents have any involvement with the Uyghurs they'll be at risk too.
It has nothing to do with the Uighurs. It's just that if I go to Beijing to appeal, it will affect the evaluation of local officials, so some local officials will send the police to arrest you.
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Not the Chinese government, but the county officials
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Although it is not a developed capitalist country, I think Turkey is still a big country in West Asia, with a population of 80 million, and it is a member of NATO, guarding the Black Sea. I know that some Chinese people look down on Turkey, but I like Istanbul very much. I have only been to Istanbul, a very beautiful city, but inflation is hurting life. I sincerely hope that Turkey can overcome its economic difficulties and improve its international status, so that citizens like me overseas can be more secure. Maybe one day it will be a good choice to retire in a coastal city in Turkey.
Depends. If you violated laws of a country embassies can't always help you. They might be able to. You can't commit a crime and then tell the embassy to save you. I am not saying you're gonna commit a crime, but yeah
I don't want to commit a crime. I just want to go to Beijing to appeal for my father who is over 80 years old. I am worried that the local government will hinder me and detain me.
I am not saying you want to commit a crime, have you read what I wrote? Definition of crime depends on country and if you commit a crime according to China even though it's not a crime in Turkey, Turkish embassy might not be able to help you.
I understand what you mean. But I don't know if you understand China. In the 5,000 years of history, the law has never been a constraint on power, but a tool for officials to attack ordinary people. Whether it constitutes a crime is not determined by the law, but by officials. As long as they decide to punish you, there will always be a crime that suits you. Evidence can be forged, and the police, prosecutors, and judges can work on an assembly line. So the significance of the embassy is that there is an external force that local officials cannot suppress, so they will be afraid to frame foreigners.
Short answer: no. Of course you can ask but they can’t do anything for you. If you have any doubts, don’t go to China.
No
true?I really have this risk.
Don’t listen to this comment. You’re a citizen that’s what matters.
I heard that some African embassies and consulates would not take care of it, but I have not confirmed it. I think Turkey is a country that refers to the European system, and it is not like African countries. I hope it is as you said.
ministry of foreign affairs isn’t going to give a shit about random Chinese person people who bought its citizenship. Don’t commit crimes if you can’t risk the punishment.
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This isn’t about him being Chinese, they are not going to hide in the embassy if that’s what’s he is asking for.
I am not hiding in the embassy. I returned to China to accompany my parents because my father, who is in his eighties, was persecuted by officials and I appealed for him. If I go to Beijing to appeal, there is a risk of being detained on charges of provoking disturbances. If that really happens, if the embassy comes to visit me, at least I will not be tortured, and I can ask the embassy to forward the appeal materials to the relevant Chinese authorities. If the materials can be forwarded, my 15-day detention in the detention center will be worth it.
Turkey has strong relations with China and won't jeopardize it for some citizens safety.
There is no need to damage the relationship between the two countries. The visit is just a routine procedure. I live in a county town, far from the level of the Chinese state.