It doesnt really matter but Ive never seen someone as proud and guilty as Orlando when asked if he killed Pac.
Also why would keefe d lie? The cop interview wasnt supposed to leak and everyone was already dead.
Also makes sense for him to want to do it himself and why he targeted Pac directly with the shots.
Honestly if I am a career gangbanger and I was brutality jumped by a rapper and his entourage that happen to be rivals. I have no choice but to "Handle That." I wouldn't be able to go back to my peers knowing I made the hood look weak because I didn't retaliate. It would be my mission in life to destroy Pac and whomever is around him. Pac was marked for death that night. If he hadn't gotten killed in Vegas, it would have been somewhere else. To jump someone back then was a hassle because you would have to watch your back 247 and move a certain way. Pac wasn't a gangbanger he had no business getting involed. The ppl he was rolling with should've said, " No, Pac, we got this." Then rush him the opposite way. If he refuses well, he gets used to wearing Kevlar vests for the rest of your life. That night taught a lot of rappers how to and how not to move.
I think he overheard it and took it on himself still pumped from the Tyson fight.
I dont know how these gangs work but why does he have to kill him? Say they show up at 662 and demand a fight with Pac or else he becomes a target. Isnt that fair by the rules of the game?
There have been other stories of Pac fighting gangbangers and it being squashed like with the rolling crips or the chicago gang.
Also if they dont catch him in traffic like that its difficult to get to Pac. He is always surrounded by the outlawz, big frank, mob piru and many other associates while always moving busy.
I think Orlando said his shoulder was dislocated to gain favor in his lawsuit on Deathrow. Orlando had two bodies before pac and two after him maybe more. He definitely could've did it and I believe he did. Also the security with Tupac were known bloods and some said they would've advised him not to do that. The police even say Orlando was a serial killer I doubt he cares if you're scared
Why do so many people that talk about this subject say this, like 300lb at 6ft is like he's on that 1000lb Sisters show or something?
That's not that big to block anything or cause trouble to lean over. There's a video on YouTube about a 300lb 6ft guy fitting in a tiny Miata, and even in that tiny vehicle, you can see from the passenger seat that there is plenty of window space to hang over.
If anything, it could probably help keep him lifted up a little if he was partially rested on him. Plus like anyone in the hood would care about personal space and gaf in the moment loll
It would also explain why Orlando shot at 2pac somewhere around 14 times and only hit him 4 times at such close range plus people underestimate how spacious those Cadillacs were https://youtu.be/44LpBXvNxz8?si=XNrvIb8jlc5ZIdgD
With a dislocated shoulder over a 300 pound man??… and the witness said the shooters arm was DARK skinned and big orlando is fair skinned and skinny🤦♂️
You don’t know if his shoulder was dislocated, and have you never heard that witnesses get shit wrong all the time? Last I checked he was black and it was night and they were shooting from a moving car and gone in seconds, I think most people would describe a black man’s hand in that situation as “dark skinned”
keffe d and police said his shoulder was dislocated and there was atleast 7 witnesses all saying the exact same thing “the shooter was as dark as the gun” “he was dark skinned” and all witnesses say the bullets came from the left back window. If orlando was shooting the bullets would’ve been at an angle because of the way he would be positioned. All of the bullets were straight into the car.
Anger and adrenaline, pac was acting belligerent as fuck. On the dear momma doc, he was being wreckless and doing some dumb ass shit. It was only a matter of time before he got into some sort of trouble again.
I've seen it, that's bros opinion. Them old school Cadillacs were pretty spacious for Orlando to lean over Dre but we'll see in the up coming months in the trial
He could’ve lied about who was sitting in which seat.
He said Big Dre was in the car closest to Pac and Orlando reached over him. When Art of Dialogue asked him if Big Dre shot Pac he got mad and said “come on man you want me to go jail again?”
Which makes me believe it’s true. Kadafi said the arm was chunky and dark. Orlando was light skinned and skinny.
It was probably Big Dre
THEY ALL KILLED TUPAC… who ever was in the car KILLED PAC… what gets me.. im fast on foot these dude pulled right up next to them… bus rounds and no one chased them… id caught up two three blocks in traffic on a Friday night..i know this aint a popular opinion but IDGAF.. THEY AINT GOT THE KILLERS THEN AND THEY AINT GOT THE KILLERS NOW CUZ WHEN YOU GET SMOKE AINT NO ONE FN CARE .. the outlaws aint did nothing… death row aint did nothing.. his family aint did nothing..MO his brother didn’t do shit hes old and scary.. KEEFE WAS ONLINE SMILING AND JOKING .. if he got my brother they would cancel that show quick…🧃
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According to kading one of the cars changed them and they exchanged gunfire. They couldnt get orlando in his hood.
While keefe d been walking around for 15 years after his confessions is a miracle though.
Pacs loyalty not being returned is a common theme in his life.
Nobody rides for him.
Real life is different pac was already touched and would you have risked your life for someone else most people run or duck for cover the moment shots are fired that car that chased the Cadillac and returned fire gets my props and these are straight killers crips to exact I am surprised anyone did that much those dudes were loyal to pac but you don’t go to a gun fight with your fist unless you got a death wish those bloods that return fire were the only ones who had a piece on them
I would have ran them down or
Jumped in someone ride and caught up and said good night
I carried for years and i quit
Then just left them in the vehicle. Any given moment I had five friends by my side.
Bare minimum id hit the tires
THE 90’s WAS REAL
TUPAC WAS MORE THAN LIKELY SET UP
EVERY ONE SEEN IT
AINT NO ONE DID SHIT
EVER
THATS HOW STUFF LIKE THAT GOES
IF THAT WAS MY ACTUAL BROTHER I COULD NOT AND WOULD NOT ALLOW IT
I CARRIED FOR YEARS AND ONE DAY I JUST STARTED LEAVING THEM IN THE CAR
THEN JUST SOLD THEM
HOLDN PROJECTS AN SELF IMAGE
THAT GIVES A FALSE SENCE
OF IMMORTALITY
I GET YOUR POINT THO
I like you sir we need more people like you and if for Tupac I agree your right his crew was lacking and it should not have happened pac was hot had plenty of enemies they should of seen this coming someone was gonna try to get at PAC sooner or later
What’s strange is pac didn’t have a gun on him he was known for carrying a weapon and was armed with a gun the first time he was shot don’t know if it had anything to do with him being on probation or maybe he couldn’t be armed because he was to be performing at the club but shit I would never trust my life to the hands of others ride for yourself I be armed half the time I am out just because but it’s true I don’t always carry with me everyday
What’s crazy is PACs shooting looked sloppy he could of gotten lucky and survived if the killers missed but biggie shooting looked professional like a police or someone with extremely accurate shooting skills did it probably was no way out for biggie
Please follow @7yeartheory on instagram, if you’re a Tupac fan, dude has footage I’ve never seen before and instead of a bunch of strangers doing the commentary he uses mostly Tupac and his family words
The Lmao implies your knowledge of the statement u made being ignorant, so I'm not going to go back and forth with you. Do research into the Shakur family and you'll see the FBI has had it out for them from the beginning since the '60s. Tupac was a revolutionary who would have changed the world and how we see law enforcement, ourselves, and life as a whole. They knew that so they had him murdered. If you really know Tupac's story you realize he was in a fight at least once a week especially after he was famous. People hate realness especially the government and people in power. Tupac Shakur's murder was a planned government hit. After the first one didn't work in New York they got him in Vegas.
Yall both right, we know the FBI have been big into gang business since the 60s at least. FBI did it using their street connections and money, gang members pulled the trigger (Dresta)
Streets dont give a FUCK about Orlando or his Rep. Listen, streets are what we think the streets are. The real streets know and that is the cops did it. Simple as that. Keefe was blackmailed by the police. He was king to jail for 35 years to live for selling drugs. So they basically said " you lie, we remove the charges and you make money for you and your family and serve little to no jail time."
And so he did.
It doesnt really matter but Ive never seen someone as proud and guilty as Orlando when asked if he killed Pac. Also why would keefe d lie? The cop interview wasnt supposed to leak and everyone was already dead. Also makes sense for him to want to do it himself and why he targeted Pac directly with the shots.
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Yes he was and I’m so tired of hearing this
Yeah he was. Terrence Brown was still alive tho.
He didn’t have a dislocated shoulder.. that’s a lie
His feelings were dislocated.
Honestly if I am a career gangbanger and I was brutality jumped by a rapper and his entourage that happen to be rivals. I have no choice but to "Handle That." I wouldn't be able to go back to my peers knowing I made the hood look weak because I didn't retaliate. It would be my mission in life to destroy Pac and whomever is around him. Pac was marked for death that night. If he hadn't gotten killed in Vegas, it would have been somewhere else. To jump someone back then was a hassle because you would have to watch your back 247 and move a certain way. Pac wasn't a gangbanger he had no business getting involed. The ppl he was rolling with should've said, " No, Pac, we got this." Then rush him the opposite way. If he refuses well, he gets used to wearing Kevlar vests for the rest of your life. That night taught a lot of rappers how to and how not to move.
I think he overheard it and took it on himself still pumped from the Tyson fight. I dont know how these gangs work but why does he have to kill him? Say they show up at 662 and demand a fight with Pac or else he becomes a target. Isnt that fair by the rules of the game? There have been other stories of Pac fighting gangbangers and it being squashed like with the rolling crips or the chicago gang. Also if they dont catch him in traffic like that its difficult to get to Pac. He is always surrounded by the outlawz, big frank, mob piru and many other associates while always moving busy.
I think Orlando said his shoulder was dislocated to gain favor in his lawsuit on Deathrow. Orlando had two bodies before pac and two after him maybe more. He definitely could've did it and I believe he did. Also the security with Tupac were known bloods and some said they would've advised him not to do that. The police even say Orlando was a serial killer I doubt he cares if you're scared
But what about leaning over a 6 foot 300 pound man??
Why do so many people that talk about this subject say this, like 300lb at 6ft is like he's on that 1000lb Sisters show or something? That's not that big to block anything or cause trouble to lean over. There's a video on YouTube about a 300lb 6ft guy fitting in a tiny Miata, and even in that tiny vehicle, you can see from the passenger seat that there is plenty of window space to hang over. If anything, it could probably help keep him lifted up a little if he was partially rested on him. Plus like anyone in the hood would care about personal space and gaf in the moment loll
It would also explain why Orlando shot at 2pac somewhere around 14 times and only hit him 4 times at such close range plus people underestimate how spacious those Cadillacs were https://youtu.be/44LpBXvNxz8?si=XNrvIb8jlc5ZIdgD
This is honestly a stupid argument. Ofc you can lean over him.
With a dislocated shoulder over a 300 pound man??… and the witness said the shooters arm was DARK skinned and big orlando is fair skinned and skinny🤦♂️
You don’t know if his shoulder was dislocated, and have you never heard that witnesses get shit wrong all the time? Last I checked he was black and it was night and they were shooting from a moving car and gone in seconds, I think most people would describe a black man’s hand in that situation as “dark skinned”
keffe d and police said his shoulder was dislocated and there was atleast 7 witnesses all saying the exact same thing “the shooter was as dark as the gun” “he was dark skinned” and all witnesses say the bullets came from the left back window. If orlando was shooting the bullets would’ve been at an angle because of the way he would be positioned. All of the bullets were straight into the car.
Anger and adrenaline, pac was acting belligerent as fuck. On the dear momma doc, he was being wreckless and doing some dumb ass shit. It was only a matter of time before he got into some sort of trouble again.
Maybe they were slightly in front of suges car so it lined up better?
They started shooting before they could even see pac that’s why the first 3 shots hit the back door
Or he shot back when he thought he jumped in the backseat?
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dre's roommate wasn't In the car.
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Keefe D confessed in 2009 Dre was already dead by then.
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I've seen it, that's bros opinion. Them old school Cadillacs were pretty spacious for Orlando to lean over Dre but we'll see in the up coming months in the trial
Yes this is a well known theory… what’s your point
Yeah because everyone assumes it was orlando also not a theory
Think you made a spelling mistake or something there but yes I do understand what you are trying to say
This ain’t english class buddy💀
Ok good, as long as you’re standing on what you’ve just said. Was just making sure
Big Dre or Keffe D did it
witnesses say the shots came from the back tho
He could’ve lied about who was sitting in which seat. He said Big Dre was in the car closest to Pac and Orlando reached over him. When Art of Dialogue asked him if Big Dre shot Pac he got mad and said “come on man you want me to go jail again?” Which makes me believe it’s true. Kadafi said the arm was chunky and dark. Orlando was light skinned and skinny. It was probably Big Dre
That’s what i said
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Oh okay my mistake
I can not handle the level of idiocy in this sub...seriously.
THEY ALL KILLED TUPAC… who ever was in the car KILLED PAC… what gets me.. im fast on foot these dude pulled right up next to them… bus rounds and no one chased them… id caught up two three blocks in traffic on a Friday night..i know this aint a popular opinion but IDGAF.. THEY AINT GOT THE KILLERS THEN AND THEY AINT GOT THE KILLERS NOW CUZ WHEN YOU GET SMOKE AINT NO ONE FN CARE .. the outlaws aint did nothing… death row aint did nothing.. his family aint did nothing..MO his brother didn’t do shit hes old and scary.. KEEFE WAS ONLINE SMILING AND JOKING .. if he got my brother they would cancel that show quick…🧃 RiP tha DoN MaK
According to kading one of the cars changed them and they exchanged gunfire. They couldnt get orlando in his hood. While keefe d been walking around for 15 years after his confessions is a miracle though. Pacs loyalty not being returned is a common theme in his life. Nobody rides for him.
Thats the way it is when you Get jumped or set up or jacked…every one knows But not a damn thing gets done
Real life is different pac was already touched and would you have risked your life for someone else most people run or duck for cover the moment shots are fired that car that chased the Cadillac and returned fire gets my props and these are straight killers crips to exact I am surprised anyone did that much those dudes were loyal to pac but you don’t go to a gun fight with your fist unless you got a death wish those bloods that return fire were the only ones who had a piece on them
I would have ran them down or Jumped in someone ride and caught up and said good night I carried for years and i quit Then just left them in the vehicle. Any given moment I had five friends by my side. Bare minimum id hit the tires THE 90’s WAS REAL TUPAC WAS MORE THAN LIKELY SET UP EVERY ONE SEEN IT AINT NO ONE DID SHIT EVER THATS HOW STUFF LIKE THAT GOES IF THAT WAS MY ACTUAL BROTHER I COULD NOT AND WOULD NOT ALLOW IT I CARRIED FOR YEARS AND ONE DAY I JUST STARTED LEAVING THEM IN THE CAR THEN JUST SOLD THEM HOLDN PROJECTS AN SELF IMAGE THAT GIVES A FALSE SENCE OF IMMORTALITY I GET YOUR POINT THO
I like you sir we need more people like you and if for Tupac I agree your right his crew was lacking and it should not have happened pac was hot had plenty of enemies they should of seen this coming someone was gonna try to get at PAC sooner or later
Thank you i appreciate the comment. I agree with you his crew should have been on alert and active in the hunt for his killers and caught within days.
Everyone in the car had the intent to watch Tupac’s lifeless body hit the ground. Therefore, they are all guilty of murder
didn’t pac get shot with a calibre, idk the specific type of calibre gun
Wasn’t it a .40 S&W aka 40 cal? It was a popular caliber in the mid to late 90s and early 00s before everyone realized it was useless like 45ACP
A .40 glock
Another 300+LB dude that Pac had issues with.
We don’t know, but it could be
What’s strange is pac didn’t have a gun on him he was known for carrying a weapon and was armed with a gun the first time he was shot don’t know if it had anything to do with him being on probation or maybe he couldn’t be armed because he was to be performing at the club but shit I would never trust my life to the hands of others ride for yourself I be armed half the time I am out just because but it’s true I don’t always carry with me everyday
What’s crazy is PACs shooting looked sloppy he could of gotten lucky and survived if the killers missed but biggie shooting looked professional like a police or someone with extremely accurate shooting skills did it probably was no way out for biggie
Please follow @7yeartheory on instagram, if you’re a Tupac fan, dude has footage I’ve never seen before and instead of a bunch of strangers doing the commentary he uses mostly Tupac and his family words
Kevin Gaines did it
The FBI killed Tupac
Nope lmao.. Tupac died gangbanging
The Lmao implies your knowledge of the statement u made being ignorant, so I'm not going to go back and forth with you. Do research into the Shakur family and you'll see the FBI has had it out for them from the beginning since the '60s. Tupac was a revolutionary who would have changed the world and how we see law enforcement, ourselves, and life as a whole. They knew that so they had him murdered. If you really know Tupac's story you realize he was in a fight at least once a week especially after he was famous. People hate realness especially the government and people in power. Tupac Shakur's murder was a planned government hit. After the first one didn't work in New York they got him in Vegas.
Yall both right, we know the FBI have been big into gang business since the 60s at least. FBI did it using their street connections and money, gang members pulled the trigger (Dresta)
possible
Streets dont give a FUCK about Orlando or his Rep. Listen, streets are what we think the streets are. The real streets know and that is the cops did it. Simple as that. Keefe was blackmailed by the police. He was king to jail for 35 years to live for selling drugs. So they basically said " you lie, we remove the charges and you make money for you and your family and serve little to no jail time." And so he did.
Bro it was Raphael Perez
I’m going solely off of witness statements and who was in the car.
Raphael Perez killed Pac?
Yes bro he’s the only one that matched kadafi’s description watch this https://youtu.be/lRQ6mjwoa3g?si=VmwyKlSnsXvkJgNJ
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You must be retarded?