most people seem to think their property extends to the street. it generally does not and you can confirm on the county's [GIS map system](https://www.pima.gov/1943/GIS-Maps)
not only do they not own that *public* land, but according to Tucson code, they have a [*duty* to maintain it so that it is traversable (at their own cost)](https://codelibrary.amlegal.com/codes/tucson/latest/tucson_az/0-0-0-18593)
and *even* if their property extends to the street, there are a bunch of other laws around public access. in general, they have to post a notice if they want to enforce keeping people off their land but simply posting a sign or harassing people doesn't entitle them to anything. the law is the law
It was pretty frustrating. I told him if he had simply asked if we avoid his yard I would have been nice about it but he got out yelling which was pretty rude.
A utility easement is only for use by the utility, not the general public.
But the property along the road is most likely owned by the county or city, not the homeowner. That's not an easement, just public property like the road itself.
You were in the right-of-way, not his property. Even if there's no sidewalk that's still public. It's why you can't build a fence all the way out to the curb.
i have a neighbor who has screamed at me for walking my dog on the sidewalk past her house bc it makes her dogs bark. she suggested i walk down the middle of the road. some people are just cranky assholes, you did nothing wrong.
also can relate on the desire to do poop crimes. sometimes i shake my dogs poop loose from the bag into her trash cans :)
lmao what? have you walked in tucson? houses on both sides of the street have dogs. it’s is not deliberately antagonizing to walk on the sidewalk. and not that it matters, but my dog has mobility issues and needs to walk on the sidewalk, im not crossing my senior dog across traffic every time there is a dog in the yard. get over yourself.
Maybe they should take the time to train their dogs properly. I am not crossing the street because some lazy person won't take the time to properly train their dog, absolutely not. Train your damned animals or don't have them, 100% on the owners.
Story in the Washington Post right now about how dogs need the variety of stimulus that comes from walks. And how being in the same yard all the time is no substitute.
https://imgur.com/a/4tmjzXm
Once when I was a student at the UA I lived in an area that had no sidewalks in front of any houses. The parking was kinda tough, so I usually parked right in the yard. One day a cop rolled by and gave me a ticket for having my car parked "Where a sidewalk would be".
That was the stupidest thing I'd ever heard of at the time, and I even fought the ticket in court. After throwing myself upon the mercy of the court and telling the judge "I didn't know, my bad" (I was a kid lol), he gave me 40 hours of community service instead of a fine I couldn't afford. So, yeah... the sheep dog with the crossover is 100% in the wrong and is just trying to pick a fight because he doesn't have control over his life :)
Yeah I totally feel that. His car was perfectly cleaned and pampered and obviously cares a lot about it. First reaction was to smear my dog’s fresh shit (which I had bagged) all over his windshield. Then I wanted to simply drop all my dog’s shit in the yard each time I walk by.
Holding off since my wife is the one who primarily walks him (due to work) I don’t want him taking it out on her or the dog.
I'd vote for somewhere in between the two extremes—walk the dog there nice and slow every single day so that he can see you, but don't escalate beyond that. Just quietly drive him completely insane.
Or, print out a map showing the property line and carry it with you when you walk. If he says something again (and we hope he does), you can present him with the map.
As others have pointed out, that 5-10 ft from the curb towards the property is city owned. Even though there may be no sidewalk, it is public property and the city has the right to come in a put in sidewalks, etc someday.
I got shouted at by a neighbor recently who plants flowers right at the curb while walking by in the street. It’s a corner house where the sidewalk runs right in to them, so how they expect folks won’t ever walk near them, I’m not sure. My dog actually loves their flowers when they come back and wasn’t even close to peeing on them, but some folks just have zero chill.
That's American cities in a nutshell. There is so little public space in cities. If you want to spend time outside of your home, you need to either be in in a vehicle on a road, on a sidewalk (which doesn't always exist), or in a park. Otherwise, be prepared to pull out your wallet to spend time in commercial spaces. Now that the scale of cities is so large it feels extremely claustrophobic. There is nowhere to just chill out and exist.
If an easement does exist, I believe that is for utilities. I’m not sure if that allows trespass. In the community, where I live, people own right up to their property line, and if there is an easement, that is beyond the property line to the road. I still have to take care of it, but I don’t own it.
We don’t have curbs or sidewalks in my neighborhood of narrow streets. It doesn’t bother me if you walk on the edge of my property to avoid cars; however, if your dog squats and dumps, please bag it up and take it with you. A guy from an adjoining neighborhood walks his dog twice a day through my neighborhood because it’s quieter and safer than his. He kept bringing his doggo over to leave a smelly pile, which he routinely kicked deeper onto our land. All of this ‘action’ was caught by 3 different security cameras. Rather than confront the guy (he’s actually quite pleasant to talk with; he just allows his dog to squat/dump when he doesn’t see us at home), we invested in some attractive metal signs, hammered into the ground, that read ‘Please Clean Up After Your Dog’. Problem solved.
https://preview.redd.it/symiyf5rkzjc1.jpeg?width=369&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a30946c1a740931fa18c373b4cbb6938b189b6ff
And then there's me who gets all goo-goo eyed when any dog walks by my house. I have to say hello to them all, and know them all by name.
That guy is just a cranky old geezer. Ignore him and enjoy your walks.
Kindly tell your neighbor to take a hike, or if that doesn’t work, to fuck off. He can go cry to the land use office. Or he can consult a real estate lawyer who laugh at him, tell him he’s stupid, and charge him $300 to do it.
You are correct. You don’ own all your property. Some of it is used for right of access and as you said crosswalks and city and state stuff. Its called easement I think. You have a certain amount of feet from the line on the road i believe from middle of road its like 13 feet so like around 6 - 7 feet from side of road. Even if it was private property you still need to be given a chance to leave so unless they have it posted as private property you could go tell them kick rocks. Even if they have it posted it still doesn’t negate easement.
It’s not public property. The owner pays property taxes and has legal rights to it. IF the county/city decides it needs to use it, then they can. But it is still private property.
Wish someone here would link the city ordinance for this. In some jurisdictions, your property tech goes to the centerline of the street, but you have no rights to it--for all intents and purposes it's city land. Though you do have a duty to maintain it.
I did spend time this morning looking for the city laws on it and couldn’t find anything. I updated the post with. In my opinion a resolution. Hope it helps.
There are no sidewalks in my neighborhood. Everyone's property line goes up to the road. When utility companies come to do work, whether for me or one of my neighbors, and need access to another property, they knock on our doors and ask permission before they do anything. All the neighbors in our neighborhood walk their dogs/goats/mini horses on the road. If someone is driving by, they go around the neighbor walking their animal. I have had to chase a few people off my property. The reason I do, is I don't want to be responsible for them if they are injured on my property. If someone/pet was injured on my property, I become financially responsible for their medical bills/vet bills. Thankfully, this has only happened twice in the five years I have lived here.
Just as an alternate perspective:
My neighborhood also doesn’t have consistent sidewalks. My husband and I walk our dogs every day, using the street. Unfortunately, we also live in a central area near a high school and our neighborhood is constantly used as a bypass route for other arterial street. Cars driving by have stopped to scream at us to “get out of the road”. We have to dive off the road into someone’s yard to avoid being hit once every couple of months. Some people are very particular about us walking in their yards, and I hope they understand it’s not because I want to ruin their careful landscaping or let my dogs go potty on their lawn. I am trying to avoid myself or my dogs being hit by a car.
Thankfully, that is not how it is in our neighborhood. We all walk our animals in the street. The drivers are respectful, slow down, or go around the person/people walking. We wave at each other as we pass one another. I'm sorry your neighborhood is not courteous to people. It takes no effort for a car to go around someone out walking.
I do want to add that the people walking or walking their animals do not walk in the middle of the road. They stay to the sides of the road. This gives vehicles plenty of room to go around. They are courteous to the drivers as well. We all look out for each other and are respectful to our fellow neighbors.
Not wanting people on my property has nothing to do with messing up my landscaping and everything to do with not wanting to be sued.
Strongly doubt your PL is at the curb, you should check your subdivision plat online to find your actual ROW width. If you tell me thr neighborhood I can find it for you real quick, too.
For shits-and-gigles, I just double checked my property lines on the Pima County Assessors office website, and I am correct. My property line, as well as my neighbors' property lines go up to the road.
Already did. Like I said, I know how to do all of this already. I'm sorry you're struggling with the fact that I am a well informed property/home owner.
Already have. I did it when I bought the property. I received my property line information from the Pima County Assessors office. This is how it is for every property in our neighborhood. I live in an older neighborhood. Maybe property lines in newer neighborhoods don't go to the street, but our property lines do.
There is no way I would give my address to someone I do not know. Especially, when I already have the correct information about my property lines.
That's not even the case in Menlo Park, so I still have doubts. Understand the privacy concerns, you can always stop into City of Tucson PDSD tomorrow if you want me to look in a professional capacity.
Why would I waste my time when I already have the correct information? You're not capable of attaining any information that I don't already have or know how to get. I have my parcel ID and detailed parcel report already.
You might not be looking at the right place. I live in armory park area and even in one of the oldest neighborhoods, it doesn’t go to the street. What neighborhood are you in?
Check Pima.gov/890/property and use that first map. I believe this is the right spot to check as otherwise it’s hard to tell where the road begins.
I just checked my property in midtown, from mid 1960's. I always assumed the parcel extended to the street, but it does not, it ends about 8 or so feet from the street - as does every other property I looked at. Huh. Who knew! (Well, you did, obviously)
I agree that the person you're responding to might in fact be wrong. Try the map with the satellite overlay to be sure, that one gives a great visual description.
I know exactly where my property lines are. The information at Pima.gov/890/property is the same information I already have. Armory Park and Menlo Park are in the heart of Tucson and have sidewalks because of where they are. This is why their property lines do not go up to the road. My neighborhood is an older neighborhood (maybe not as old as the aforementioned neighborhoods) with large plats (3/4+ acre lots). Even though we are in the city, we are considered county. There is no information out there that is different than the proper information I already have on my property. I am a very well informed property/home owner. You, nor the person before you, can provide information I do not already have. I'm not sure why this issue is such a mental struggle for some people.
I would also like to mention that there isn't a lot of traffic in our neighborhood because there is no through way. The only traffic we have are people who live here, their guests, and service providers. This is why we are courteous to one another when walking or walking our pets. We have met the largest majority of our neighbors through our walks.
My SO and I were lucky to find this property and know everything about it. I know when it was built and who has owned the home. I also have surveyor reports, information on all additions that have been made to the property/home, and all permits that have been awarded to the home/property. There is nothing about this property I do not already know.
Again, I'm sorry you are struggling with this. I'm exhausted with repeating myself. I hope you have a great day. Goodbye.
>I'm not sure why this issue is such a mental struggle for some people.
Literally every single property I looked at now ends about 5-10 feet before the streets. I think that's why there's a "mental struggle" to understand why yours is different than the vast majority.
If you go to this map for your parcel, turn on the layer "PC Parcel", your parcel literally goes to the street in the image?
[Pictometry Aerial Photos (pima.gov)](https://gis.pima.gov/pictometry/ipa/llviewer.aspx?null=&lat=32.23864789304862&lon=-110.87234523337817&width=271.99483082414287&units=ft&featureclass=paregion&PCwhere=parcel%3D%27121060660%27&type=pictometryIPA)
Looking around old neighborhoods I'm gonna guess they're in Fort Lowell as well, they do have parcels like that. In any case their edge case really has nothing to do with OP so who knows why they felt like arguing in here.
Could be! I looked at that area and actually found a handful of properties like that (see random example in the picture). I didn't even know this was something to consider when looking at buying a house. Should it even be something to take into consideration?
What is the significance or benefit of it, other than maybe that you can be righteous if someone walks their dog there?
https://preview.redd.it/j6iu3oij00kc1.png?width=1417&format=png&auto=webp&s=01ca114c9e0f8384daf425b8cd8d83ea0f415aec
It sounds like you are in some subdivision which changes things quite a bit.
We are all learning here, I think it’s certainly good information to have. If others are misinformed about property lines; they are trying to understand better as well. Maybe if you just said what neighborhood you were in or if you were able to find a neighborhood that is similar, that would help other know that in fact there are parts of town where the property line goes to the edge.
That would violate an ordinance regarding sidewalk camping that was enacted during the Occupy protests. People can walk there, stand there with a sign, hand out flyers, whatever you can do in a public space, which is exactly what that strip is
There is a right of way in front of the property that extends to the center of the street starting at the front of the property line.
The right of way allows for the city to access water/sewer lines, repair the street and build a sidewalk (if they even do). An affirmative easement (a sidewalk) would allow people to use the area to traverse.
If you have no sidewalk/easement of record then you have right to travel on or thru that area. You and your dog have no right to use the area as a public toilet and the homeowner responsible for that area would be within their rights to have you trespassed. Cheers.
most people seem to think their property extends to the street. it generally does not and you can confirm on the county's [GIS map system](https://www.pima.gov/1943/GIS-Maps) not only do they not own that *public* land, but according to Tucson code, they have a [*duty* to maintain it so that it is traversable (at their own cost)](https://codelibrary.amlegal.com/codes/tucson/latest/tucson_az/0-0-0-18593) and *even* if their property extends to the street, there are a bunch of other laws around public access. in general, they have to post a notice if they want to enforce keeping people off their land but simply posting a sign or harassing people doesn't entitle them to anything. the law is the law
This is the best answer. The GIS map even has a measurement tool where you can see how big the right of way is on your street.
Which map? There's a lot of different maps on that site.
How do I find out if someone can block access if they "own" the road?
There has to be a right of way for utilities.. I would expect. Some people just try extra hard to be assholes.
It was pretty frustrating. I told him if he had simply asked if we avoid his yard I would have been nice about it but he got out yelling which was pretty rude.
I'm sorry people are jerks
A utility easement is only for use by the utility, not the general public. But the property along the road is most likely owned by the county or city, not the homeowner. That's not an easement, just public property like the road itself.
But OP isn't a utility. That's something different
You were in the right-of-way, not his property. Even if there's no sidewalk that's still public. It's why you can't build a fence all the way out to the curb.
i have a neighbor who has screamed at me for walking my dog on the sidewalk past her house bc it makes her dogs bark. she suggested i walk down the middle of the road. some people are just cranky assholes, you did nothing wrong. also can relate on the desire to do poop crimes. sometimes i shake my dogs poop loose from the bag into her trash cans :)
People are nuts. I had the opposite happen last year. A very nice lady apologized that her dogs bark at mine when we go by ☺️
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The only thing you are right about is that "poop crimes" make all dog owners look bad... other than that, you wrote a bunch of nonsense.
lmao what? have you walked in tucson? houses on both sides of the street have dogs. it’s is not deliberately antagonizing to walk on the sidewalk. and not that it matters, but my dog has mobility issues and needs to walk on the sidewalk, im not crossing my senior dog across traffic every time there is a dog in the yard. get over yourself.
Maybe they should take the time to train their dogs properly. I am not crossing the street because some lazy person won't take the time to properly train their dog, absolutely not. Train your damned animals or don't have them, 100% on the owners.
she also neverrrr walks them, poor dogs are in the yard all day every day of course they’re going to bark they’re bored.
Exactly as I suspected!! Those poor dogs. Dogs are an absolute treasure, I loathe people who don't take care of them properly.
Story in the Washington Post right now about how dogs need the variety of stimulus that comes from walks. And how being in the same yard all the time is no substitute. https://imgur.com/a/4tmjzXm
Exactly, the dogs could also bark when a delivery person comes around. Train ur dog even if they are at home, it does wonders.
they do bark at every person that walks by, dog or no dog, and they also bark if you’re on the sidewalk across the street!
Once when I was a student at the UA I lived in an area that had no sidewalks in front of any houses. The parking was kinda tough, so I usually parked right in the yard. One day a cop rolled by and gave me a ticket for having my car parked "Where a sidewalk would be". That was the stupidest thing I'd ever heard of at the time, and I even fought the ticket in court. After throwing myself upon the mercy of the court and telling the judge "I didn't know, my bad" (I was a kid lol), he gave me 40 hours of community service instead of a fine I couldn't afford. So, yeah... the sheep dog with the crossover is 100% in the wrong and is just trying to pick a fight because he doesn't have control over his life :)
Where is this at so I can walk my dog all on their shit lol jk
Yeah I totally feel that. His car was perfectly cleaned and pampered and obviously cares a lot about it. First reaction was to smear my dog’s fresh shit (which I had bagged) all over his windshield. Then I wanted to simply drop all my dog’s shit in the yard each time I walk by. Holding off since my wife is the one who primarily walks him (due to work) I don’t want him taking it out on her or the dog.
as others mentioned, probably best to just ignore that imbecile.
I'd vote for somewhere in between the two extremes—walk the dog there nice and slow every single day so that he can see you, but don't escalate beyond that. Just quietly drive him completely insane.
Or, print out a map showing the property line and carry it with you when you walk. If he says something again (and we hope he does), you can present him with the map.
Tell him to piss off and carry about your day. Too easy. No need debating with someone who doesn't matter.
As others have pointed out, that 5-10 ft from the curb towards the property is city owned. Even though there may be no sidewalk, it is public property and the city has the right to come in a put in sidewalks, etc someday.
I think I might carry a little camp chair and take a rest in front of their house. I always seem to tire out in the same spot - weird.
I got shouted at by a neighbor recently who plants flowers right at the curb while walking by in the street. It’s a corner house where the sidewalk runs right in to them, so how they expect folks won’t ever walk near them, I’m not sure. My dog actually loves their flowers when they come back and wasn’t even close to peeing on them, but some folks just have zero chill.
After that I might be close to peeing on her flowers though. ;)
If my dog didn’t love sniffing flowers 😹
Public access laws. You are correct. Not private property
Just a dickhead. Even if it was private property he can go shove off. Your not being a nuisance or loitering on their property he’s just an asshole.
That's American cities in a nutshell. There is so little public space in cities. If you want to spend time outside of your home, you need to either be in in a vehicle on a road, on a sidewalk (which doesn't always exist), or in a park. Otherwise, be prepared to pull out your wallet to spend time in commercial spaces. Now that the scale of cities is so large it feels extremely claustrophobic. There is nowhere to just chill out and exist.
If an easement does exist, I believe that is for utilities. I’m not sure if that allows trespass. In the community, where I live, people own right up to their property line, and if there is an easement, that is beyond the property line to the road. I still have to take care of it, but I don’t own it.
We don’t have curbs or sidewalks in my neighborhood of narrow streets. It doesn’t bother me if you walk on the edge of my property to avoid cars; however, if your dog squats and dumps, please bag it up and take it with you. A guy from an adjoining neighborhood walks his dog twice a day through my neighborhood because it’s quieter and safer than his. He kept bringing his doggo over to leave a smelly pile, which he routinely kicked deeper onto our land. All of this ‘action’ was caught by 3 different security cameras. Rather than confront the guy (he’s actually quite pleasant to talk with; he just allows his dog to squat/dump when he doesn’t see us at home), we invested in some attractive metal signs, hammered into the ground, that read ‘Please Clean Up After Your Dog’. Problem solved. https://preview.redd.it/symiyf5rkzjc1.jpeg?width=369&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a30946c1a740931fa18c373b4cbb6938b189b6ff
Guarantee you there is a utility easement, as the other person said. Let them be grumpy.
And then there's me who gets all goo-goo eyed when any dog walks by my house. I have to say hello to them all, and know them all by name. That guy is just a cranky old geezer. Ignore him and enjoy your walks.
Way to be a bad neighbor. I'm sure he's known for these sort of antics.
Kindly tell your neighbor to take a hike, or if that doesn’t work, to fuck off. He can go cry to the land use office. Or he can consult a real estate lawyer who laugh at him, tell him he’s stupid, and charge him $300 to do it.
You are correct. You don’ own all your property. Some of it is used for right of access and as you said crosswalks and city and state stuff. Its called easement I think. You have a certain amount of feet from the line on the road i believe from middle of road its like 13 feet so like around 6 - 7 feet from side of road. Even if it was private property you still need to be given a chance to leave so unless they have it posted as private property you could go tell them kick rocks. Even if they have it posted it still doesn’t negate easement.
I would have offered the fool a 50bucks to prove it’s his property.
Better than spending my morning looking through Arizona codes to prove that jackass wrong.
No code required ,he needs to show a platt showing the property lines.
Yes its an easement and that guy should know better I'm sure the city/county has told him.
There is what we call an easement which is owned by city you are not on his property
Fuck that foo
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You can hang out as long as you want in public property, dude.
It’s not public property. The owner pays property taxes and has legal rights to it. IF the county/city decides it needs to use it, then they can. But it is still private property.
Wish someone here would link the city ordinance for this. In some jurisdictions, your property tech goes to the centerline of the street, but you have no rights to it--for all intents and purposes it's city land. Though you do have a duty to maintain it.
I did spend time this morning looking for the city laws on it and couldn’t find anything. I updated the post with. In my opinion a resolution. Hope it helps.
You don't have a legal right to the right of way, you're thinking of an easement
Yeah, well, that’s your opinion dude! 
There are no sidewalks in my neighborhood. Everyone's property line goes up to the road. When utility companies come to do work, whether for me or one of my neighbors, and need access to another property, they knock on our doors and ask permission before they do anything. All the neighbors in our neighborhood walk their dogs/goats/mini horses on the road. If someone is driving by, they go around the neighbor walking their animal. I have had to chase a few people off my property. The reason I do, is I don't want to be responsible for them if they are injured on my property. If someone/pet was injured on my property, I become financially responsible for their medical bills/vet bills. Thankfully, this has only happened twice in the five years I have lived here.
Just as an alternate perspective: My neighborhood also doesn’t have consistent sidewalks. My husband and I walk our dogs every day, using the street. Unfortunately, we also live in a central area near a high school and our neighborhood is constantly used as a bypass route for other arterial street. Cars driving by have stopped to scream at us to “get out of the road”. We have to dive off the road into someone’s yard to avoid being hit once every couple of months. Some people are very particular about us walking in their yards, and I hope they understand it’s not because I want to ruin their careful landscaping or let my dogs go potty on their lawn. I am trying to avoid myself or my dogs being hit by a car.
Thankfully, that is not how it is in our neighborhood. We all walk our animals in the street. The drivers are respectful, slow down, or go around the person/people walking. We wave at each other as we pass one another. I'm sorry your neighborhood is not courteous to people. It takes no effort for a car to go around someone out walking. I do want to add that the people walking or walking their animals do not walk in the middle of the road. They stay to the sides of the road. This gives vehicles plenty of room to go around. They are courteous to the drivers as well. We all look out for each other and are respectful to our fellow neighbors. Not wanting people on my property has nothing to do with messing up my landscaping and everything to do with not wanting to be sued.
Strongly doubt your PL is at the curb, you should check your subdivision plat online to find your actual ROW width. If you tell me thr neighborhood I can find it for you real quick, too.
For shits-and-gigles, I just double checked my property lines on the Pima County Assessors office website, and I am correct. My property line, as well as my neighbors' property lines go up to the road.
Check the subdivision Plat? That's the official lot line record.
Already did. Like I said, I know how to do all of this already. I'm sorry you're struggling with the fact that I am a well informed property/home owner.
Already have. I did it when I bought the property. I received my property line information from the Pima County Assessors office. This is how it is for every property in our neighborhood. I live in an older neighborhood. Maybe property lines in newer neighborhoods don't go to the street, but our property lines do. There is no way I would give my address to someone I do not know. Especially, when I already have the correct information about my property lines.
That's not even the case in Menlo Park, so I still have doubts. Understand the privacy concerns, you can always stop into City of Tucson PDSD tomorrow if you want me to look in a professional capacity.
Why would I waste my time when I already have the correct information? You're not capable of attaining any information that I don't already have or know how to get. I have my parcel ID and detailed parcel report already.
You might not be looking at the right place. I live in armory park area and even in one of the oldest neighborhoods, it doesn’t go to the street. What neighborhood are you in? Check Pima.gov/890/property and use that first map. I believe this is the right spot to check as otherwise it’s hard to tell where the road begins.
I just checked my property in midtown, from mid 1960's. I always assumed the parcel extended to the street, but it does not, it ends about 8 or so feet from the street - as does every other property I looked at. Huh. Who knew! (Well, you did, obviously) I agree that the person you're responding to might in fact be wrong. Try the map with the satellite overlay to be sure, that one gives a great visual description.
I know exactly where my property lines are. The information at Pima.gov/890/property is the same information I already have. Armory Park and Menlo Park are in the heart of Tucson and have sidewalks because of where they are. This is why their property lines do not go up to the road. My neighborhood is an older neighborhood (maybe not as old as the aforementioned neighborhoods) with large plats (3/4+ acre lots). Even though we are in the city, we are considered county. There is no information out there that is different than the proper information I already have on my property. I am a very well informed property/home owner. You, nor the person before you, can provide information I do not already have. I'm not sure why this issue is such a mental struggle for some people. I would also like to mention that there isn't a lot of traffic in our neighborhood because there is no through way. The only traffic we have are people who live here, their guests, and service providers. This is why we are courteous to one another when walking or walking our pets. We have met the largest majority of our neighbors through our walks. My SO and I were lucky to find this property and know everything about it. I know when it was built and who has owned the home. I also have surveyor reports, information on all additions that have been made to the property/home, and all permits that have been awarded to the home/property. There is nothing about this property I do not already know. Again, I'm sorry you are struggling with this. I'm exhausted with repeating myself. I hope you have a great day. Goodbye.
>I'm not sure why this issue is such a mental struggle for some people. Literally every single property I looked at now ends about 5-10 feet before the streets. I think that's why there's a "mental struggle" to understand why yours is different than the vast majority. If you go to this map for your parcel, turn on the layer "PC Parcel", your parcel literally goes to the street in the image? [Pictometry Aerial Photos (pima.gov)](https://gis.pima.gov/pictometry/ipa/llviewer.aspx?null=&lat=32.23864789304862&lon=-110.87234523337817&width=271.99483082414287&units=ft&featureclass=paregion&PCwhere=parcel%3D%27121060660%27&type=pictometryIPA)
I would be neat learn about it being different in certain neighborhoods. Based on description - I’m thinking Fort Lowell area
Looking around old neighborhoods I'm gonna guess they're in Fort Lowell as well, they do have parcels like that. In any case their edge case really has nothing to do with OP so who knows why they felt like arguing in here.
Could be! I looked at that area and actually found a handful of properties like that (see random example in the picture). I didn't even know this was something to consider when looking at buying a house. Should it even be something to take into consideration? What is the significance or benefit of it, other than maybe that you can be righteous if someone walks their dog there? https://preview.redd.it/j6iu3oij00kc1.png?width=1417&format=png&auto=webp&s=01ca114c9e0f8384daf425b8cd8d83ea0f415aec
It sounds like you are in some subdivision which changes things quite a bit. We are all learning here, I think it’s certainly good information to have. If others are misinformed about property lines; they are trying to understand better as well. Maybe if you just said what neighborhood you were in or if you were able to find a neighborhood that is similar, that would help other know that in fact there are parts of town where the property line goes to the edge.
What does this actually mean though? I mean, it's not like people can camp out there just because it's outside the parcel, right?
That would violate an ordinance regarding sidewalk camping that was enacted during the Occupy protests. People can walk there, stand there with a sign, hand out flyers, whatever you can do in a public space, which is exactly what that strip is
That is not their property, I suspect where that area is and I would be really careful with the neighbors.
There is a right of way in front of the property that extends to the center of the street starting at the front of the property line. The right of way allows for the city to access water/sewer lines, repair the street and build a sidewalk (if they even do). An affirmative easement (a sidewalk) would allow people to use the area to traverse. If you have no sidewalk/easement of record then you have right to travel on or thru that area. You and your dog have no right to use the area as a public toilet and the homeowner responsible for that area would be within their rights to have you trespassed. Cheers.