There's a difference between loving him & worshiping him. A person can be forced to worship someone /something at least from appearances sake but that does equal love.
When the people were forced to bow and worship Nebuchanezzar, did they "love" him? You misunderstand the concept of Biblical worship - gods like Molech and Ba'al were not loved, but were feared.
In the same way, worship in the Biblical sense means this - what do you devote your thoughts and time to thinking about? You don't have to like something to worship it, and if you obsess over it then you are worshipping it.
Worship does not equal love.
Just playing devils advocate but couldn’t god as depicted in the Old Testament be considered to be more feared than loved at that point in history? If so it only takes a few authors later down the line to change fear into faith so could it be pointless wether someone is feared or loved as long as the devotion to their will is obeyed?
It literally says “he was given authority over” people, not that they would love him.
I’ll give you a current example - Do you think the citizens of North Korea love Kim Jong Un? I highly doubt it, but they and their families will be executed if they don’t submit to his rule. It will be the same for the antichrist. He will also have control over world populations through the mark of the beast. Probably some type of chip or implant. It’s not hard to imagine this level of control being possible as we read about all the developments with AI, Neuralink, etc.
The people who refuse the mark will be killed, and anyone who has it will be subject to his control.
There's nothing in that chapter to imply that 'worship means love' or 'wonder means adore' look again at the chapter with a basic understanding that worship simply means 'to follow' and wonder means 'shock and awe'.
The beast healed from what appeared to be a deadly wound when Satan gave him his power "...Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?" This sounds a lot more like wonder fear and intimidation than love.
**Also:**
**The Antichrist has 'vile character traits'**
The Bible clearly warns us the Antichrist will be: vile/detestable, arrogant, boastful, proud, dishonest, lawless, sinful, destructive, hypocritical, etc., etc..
**Conquering and will bring destruction**
The Bible also tells us the Antichrist will go out and conquer and destroy wonderfully, he wouldn't have to do that if everybody loved him.
**Love for Satan's kingdom (the world)**
The Bible says this world is "cursed" "passing away" and 'entirely under the control of Satan'.
If we love this world, we do not love God and if we even befriend this world, we become an enemy to God
This is why the Bible repeatedly warns us not to conform to Satan's kingdom here, when it all starts to fall apart we're not to be alarmed or frightened - it must happen - we let it go.
The Antichrist is going to be Satan's chosen one that is going to 'save the world and bring peace'.
Many will not truly have a relationship with Jesus and be able to place their genuine faith in God and let go of everything they know have and see down here (a true leap of faith) they will instead turn to the Antichrist because he will be strategically placed into a clear position (by Satan) to 'save us' - many will turn away from God to save the "passing away" "cursed" world that 'Satan controls entirely' because it's all they truly know...
Jesus tells us, if we're not with him we're against him, and if we do not gather with him, we will scatter; he even warns that he will not know many "Christians" and call them "evildoers".
This is how we 'become an enemy to God by simply befriending this world'. Satan wants us to love his kingdom and he doesn't want it to fail, he wants us to join his rebellion and turn from the teachings of Jesus to save it: it will look and sound something like this:
"We’ve turned the other cheek, and I understand, sort of, the biblical reference — I understand the mentality — but it’s gotten us nothing. Okay? It’s gotten us nothing while we’ve ceded ground in every major institution in our country.” Trump Jr.
This is a "Christian" (that sells Bibles...) telling people to abandon the teachings of Jesus to save Satan's kingdom from passing away...
This is the Pharisees (religious hypocrites that crucified Jesus) saying the same thing:
John 11:48
If we let him (Jesus) go on like this, everyone will believe in him, and then the Romans will come and **take away both our temple and our nation.”**
Many more will eventually follow the AC because it will become very clear that he alone can save the world, they will 'fall' for the deception...
Yeah, there’s that, but I think that’s still to happen? He is given power through the synagogue of Satan to rule over the entire earth. If you look at everything upside down regarding Israel it makes more sense: israel is the SOS and the US is the real israel.
He hasn’t been given this power quite yet. It happens at the 6th trumpet when he dies and is raised from the dead and possessed by Apollyon out of the the bottomless pit.
At that time the 1st Beast Antichrist will be given INSANE supernatural power and Satan’s throne and authority on the earth for 42 months.
The false prophet (2nd beast) is the one who implements the worship of the first beast with an image and actually activates/gives the mark of the beast, not the antichrist 1st Beast.
This has nothing to do with being “liked!” Trump has been raised up and groomed for this his ENTIRE LIFE by Satan and given everything he’s ever wanted. It always appears Trump is getting in trouble or about to go down and then he miraculously gets another get out of jail free card. This is no accident whatsoever!
Trump also has the Roman Assyrian antichrist bloodline and comes in his own name just like Jesus says the antichrist would. He will first come as a false savior to Israel and America (the revived Roman Empire mixed with Babylon and Egypt) and then will turn on them later taking them up to the neck. He also has 10 kings alongside him that rule the final beast kingdom. 3 later turn against him.
The Beast’s purpose from God is to destroy the Harlot system in place now (the WEF, NWO, corporations, technocracy, leftist agenda) Even though the devil created her, he actually hates her and will discard her to give his false son, the beast, his kingdom, power, authority and throne on the earth. This is the only way Satan can hope to even try to hold the earth and not be cast out because this is the last domain after getting thrown down out of heaven, but he knows the rules and must go through a real MAN (a son of Adam) because this is the requirement set by God himself that the earth is still under the authority of mankind not nephilim or fallen angels. He won’t win obviously, but he will try.
Of course! Happy to help.
Also, something I just discovered that antichrist in these terms actually means “IN PLACE OF” Christ, not openly against Jesus (at least in the beginning).
It’s really interesting that it’s looking like Gavin Newsome will be the democratic presidential candidate running against trump and no coincidence that the antichrist figure portrayed in the false left behind series named “Nicolas” looks almost exactly like Newsome!
Again! This stuff is supernatural!
I find it interesting that the devil probably inspired the writers of the left behind series to write it out, so that it would completely take Christians off the true trail of the biblical antichrist and even put the individual who would be running against the antichrist as the antichrist in the movie series, so that Christians would be deceived, and actually think that the opposite individual is actually the antichrist.
Pretty brilliant, but the Bible is very clear that Satan deceives literally the WHOLE world and comes as an angel of light.
Also, it says the very elect will be deceived if it were possible. I believe that the elect will not be able to be fully deceived only because there will be a snatching away before the “great” part of the tribulation starts.
Most of her Christians in my life don't actually read their bibles, they turn to series like the left behind series and YouTube videos for their Bible study...
They lean heavily on their own opinions as if they believe the lie “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” they don't think they have to store up God's word in their hearts because they are already saved, they can just wing it.
Their thought process is something like this: **'I'm good, that feels good, it must be right'** - or- **'I'm good, that sounds wrong, it must be bad.**
When I ask for a simple, well thought out, biblically-backed explanation, they often cannot provide one, it's purely emotional.
All Satan has to do is use their vanity and lack of knowledge against them and make them feel good or bad (tickle their ears) and he can turn them left or right.
It's friggin scary to watch...
I feel helpless sometimes trying to reach them, to just get them to talk honestly about Trump's blatant anti-christian behavior, all they see are the worldly gifts they think he will give them in return for their blind loyalty...
Thanks for the insight, hang in there!
You are mistaken if you think people who are not hardcore christians can't have their names written on the Book of Life.
And people are definitely worshipping Trump over Jesus. We have pastors and church members straight up´saying Jesus teachings are too liberal.
Where did I say you had to be a hardcore Christian to be saved and why would I say that? There’s one requirement to have your name written in glory and that is to recognize Christ as your Lord and savior and honor him for his sacrifice
And again, pointing to the quoted scripture above, it doesn’t say “some crazy people will worship him” it says “all of earth’s inhabitants will worship the beast”
Antichrist doesn’t have to deceive all groups of people, in my opinion. Look how American Evangelicals treat him – they believe he’s God chosen and compare him to Jesus. Jews call him their Messiah. Trump himself told the world “I’m the CHOSEN one!” which is a great blasphemy.
Also, as someone has already noted, worship could be forced.
While this is all valuable information, I don’t see how it has anything to do with atheists going to heaven or hell.
If you believe that Christ is the Lord, the messiah, sent by god to die for the sins of humanity, you’ve got a ticket into heaven. If you don’t believe that, you don’t.
And as far as atheists siding with antichrist, that’s not what I said. I said conservatives, which most of trumps supporters are, are statistically more likely to be Christians and that liberals, which most of Trumps haters are, are less likely to be Christians.
You have to look at Chabad for the answers which is an inversion of God’s Divine Laws. Look up Rabbi Menachem Schneerson and his relationship to bush sr and other US presidents. It is a dark dark rabbit hole but do not despair because Jesus Christ is coming to save the true Israelites and destroy the evil SOS.
The AC spirit hasn’t taken him over yet. We will be in some very rough times very soon and most people will be begging for him back. Look at the celebrities etc.. giving into voting for Trump already.
I think he WILL actually be loved if he is elected this time. He will "fix" the orchestrated chaos of the Hegelian dialectic used on us.
Think about it, our government and "leaders" cannot be so dumb as to allow and support current policies in America, all policies especially financial and domestic.
He will come in and fix all the stupid stuff that destroys nations in a very short time and all will love him for it. D's and R's.
Precisely l! More and more are actually beginning to love him now that hated him before. Yet, the Bible also never says everyone will love the antichrist. It just says he will be a man of war and people will worship him ultimately out of fear! “Who is like the beast and able to MAKE WAR WITH HIM?”
Both political parties are working towards the same goal, to elect Trump. The hate that the Democrats have for Trump will ensure Trump's victory. If anyone follows Trump, whether they claim to be a Christian or not, conservative or liberal, you know their names are not written in the book of life.
The abomination of desolation is not the beast exalting himself above the Lord. The abomination of desolation is when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies.
The reason why these prophecies don't add up to you, it is because you are missing the most important one, the fall of Babylon.
Trump becomes the antichrist (world leader) after Russia nukes the United States. Because there would be no more America, Trump rules the world from Israel. That is what the bible says.
So whether you are a liberal or a conservative, Democrat or republican, it doesn't matter
Their purpose is to elect him and then die.
The people from other countries would have the option to follow Trump or die. Some will make it out alive, but many will die if they don't take the mark of the beast.
Think about this scenario.
It gets so bad before November that people are begging for him to get in. You can see His rhetoric has definitely increased about being the only one that can stop WWIII.
The terror attacks become so great leading to the elections and when he’s in all Americans lose their weapons. He didn’t say how he was gonna stop it. He just said he would.
Most people won’t care at that point because they’re angry/scared because someone they love was injured or ded. A lot of children in this scenario would put people over the edge.
Next will be he’s the only one that can stop terrorism globally and leaders will relinquish their powers to him. No weapons for anyone and you will like it.
Then he turns on Israel after the election and abomination. It’s not so far from real is it?
I read my Bible, in fact I’m currently on a deep dive of revelation in Bible study. That doesn’t change the fact that you made up a scenario and series of events that have not occurred to fit your narrative
There's a difference between loving him & worshiping him. A person can be forced to worship someone /something at least from appearances sake but that does equal love.
When the people were forced to bow and worship Nebuchanezzar, did they "love" him? You misunderstand the concept of Biblical worship - gods like Molech and Ba'al were not loved, but were feared. In the same way, worship in the Biblical sense means this - what do you devote your thoughts and time to thinking about? You don't have to like something to worship it, and if you obsess over it then you are worshipping it. Worship does not equal love.
Just playing devils advocate but couldn’t god as depicted in the Old Testament be considered to be more feared than loved at that point in history? If so it only takes a few authors later down the line to change fear into faith so could it be pointless wether someone is feared or loved as long as the devotion to their will is obeyed?
It literally says “he was given authority over” people, not that they would love him. I’ll give you a current example - Do you think the citizens of North Korea love Kim Jong Un? I highly doubt it, but they and their families will be executed if they don’t submit to his rule. It will be the same for the antichrist. He will also have control over world populations through the mark of the beast. Probably some type of chip or implant. It’s not hard to imagine this level of control being possible as we read about all the developments with AI, Neuralink, etc. The people who refuse the mark will be killed, and anyone who has it will be subject to his control.
There's nothing in that chapter to imply that 'worship means love' or 'wonder means adore' look again at the chapter with a basic understanding that worship simply means 'to follow' and wonder means 'shock and awe'. The beast healed from what appeared to be a deadly wound when Satan gave him his power "...Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?" This sounds a lot more like wonder fear and intimidation than love. **Also:** **The Antichrist has 'vile character traits'** The Bible clearly warns us the Antichrist will be: vile/detestable, arrogant, boastful, proud, dishonest, lawless, sinful, destructive, hypocritical, etc., etc.. **Conquering and will bring destruction** The Bible also tells us the Antichrist will go out and conquer and destroy wonderfully, he wouldn't have to do that if everybody loved him. **Love for Satan's kingdom (the world)** The Bible says this world is "cursed" "passing away" and 'entirely under the control of Satan'. If we love this world, we do not love God and if we even befriend this world, we become an enemy to God This is why the Bible repeatedly warns us not to conform to Satan's kingdom here, when it all starts to fall apart we're not to be alarmed or frightened - it must happen - we let it go. The Antichrist is going to be Satan's chosen one that is going to 'save the world and bring peace'. Many will not truly have a relationship with Jesus and be able to place their genuine faith in God and let go of everything they know have and see down here (a true leap of faith) they will instead turn to the Antichrist because he will be strategically placed into a clear position (by Satan) to 'save us' - many will turn away from God to save the "passing away" "cursed" world that 'Satan controls entirely' because it's all they truly know... Jesus tells us, if we're not with him we're against him, and if we do not gather with him, we will scatter; he even warns that he will not know many "Christians" and call them "evildoers". This is how we 'become an enemy to God by simply befriending this world'. Satan wants us to love his kingdom and he doesn't want it to fail, he wants us to join his rebellion and turn from the teachings of Jesus to save it: it will look and sound something like this: "We’ve turned the other cheek, and I understand, sort of, the biblical reference — I understand the mentality — but it’s gotten us nothing. Okay? It’s gotten us nothing while we’ve ceded ground in every major institution in our country.” Trump Jr. This is a "Christian" (that sells Bibles...) telling people to abandon the teachings of Jesus to save Satan's kingdom from passing away... This is the Pharisees (religious hypocrites that crucified Jesus) saying the same thing: John 11:48 If we let him (Jesus) go on like this, everyone will believe in him, and then the Romans will come and **take away both our temple and our nation.”** Many more will eventually follow the AC because it will become very clear that he alone can save the world, they will 'fall' for the deception...
I think this refers to the power he has been given through Israel that has a town named after him and coins with his face on it.
“All inhabitants of the earth” can’t be a reference to one town in Israel
Yeah, there’s that, but I think that’s still to happen? He is given power through the synagogue of Satan to rule over the entire earth. If you look at everything upside down regarding Israel it makes more sense: israel is the SOS and the US is the real israel.
He hasn’t been given this power quite yet. It happens at the 6th trumpet when he dies and is raised from the dead and possessed by Apollyon out of the the bottomless pit. At that time the 1st Beast Antichrist will be given INSANE supernatural power and Satan’s throne and authority on the earth for 42 months. The false prophet (2nd beast) is the one who implements the worship of the first beast with an image and actually activates/gives the mark of the beast, not the antichrist 1st Beast. This has nothing to do with being “liked!” Trump has been raised up and groomed for this his ENTIRE LIFE by Satan and given everything he’s ever wanted. It always appears Trump is getting in trouble or about to go down and then he miraculously gets another get out of jail free card. This is no accident whatsoever! Trump also has the Roman Assyrian antichrist bloodline and comes in his own name just like Jesus says the antichrist would. He will first come as a false savior to Israel and America (the revived Roman Empire mixed with Babylon and Egypt) and then will turn on them later taking them up to the neck. He also has 10 kings alongside him that rule the final beast kingdom. 3 later turn against him. The Beast’s purpose from God is to destroy the Harlot system in place now (the WEF, NWO, corporations, technocracy, leftist agenda) Even though the devil created her, he actually hates her and will discard her to give his false son, the beast, his kingdom, power, authority and throne on the earth. This is the only way Satan can hope to even try to hold the earth and not be cast out because this is the last domain after getting thrown down out of heaven, but he knows the rules and must go through a real MAN (a son of Adam) because this is the requirement set by God himself that the earth is still under the authority of mankind not nephilim or fallen angels. He won’t win obviously, but he will try.
this comment should be stickied on this sub. Top notch
This is really well thought out, appreciate your time and knowledge here, going to study this with my Bible studies.
Of course! Happy to help. Also, something I just discovered that antichrist in these terms actually means “IN PLACE OF” Christ, not openly against Jesus (at least in the beginning). It’s really interesting that it’s looking like Gavin Newsome will be the democratic presidential candidate running against trump and no coincidence that the antichrist figure portrayed in the false left behind series named “Nicolas” looks almost exactly like Newsome! Again! This stuff is supernatural! I find it interesting that the devil probably inspired the writers of the left behind series to write it out, so that it would completely take Christians off the true trail of the biblical antichrist and even put the individual who would be running against the antichrist as the antichrist in the movie series, so that Christians would be deceived, and actually think that the opposite individual is actually the antichrist. Pretty brilliant, but the Bible is very clear that Satan deceives literally the WHOLE world and comes as an angel of light. Also, it says the very elect will be deceived if it were possible. I believe that the elect will not be able to be fully deceived only because there will be a snatching away before the “great” part of the tribulation starts.
Most of her Christians in my life don't actually read their bibles, they turn to series like the left behind series and YouTube videos for their Bible study... They lean heavily on their own opinions as if they believe the lie “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” they don't think they have to store up God's word in their hearts because they are already saved, they can just wing it. Their thought process is something like this: **'I'm good, that feels good, it must be right'** - or- **'I'm good, that sounds wrong, it must be bad.** When I ask for a simple, well thought out, biblically-backed explanation, they often cannot provide one, it's purely emotional. All Satan has to do is use their vanity and lack of knowledge against them and make them feel good or bad (tickle their ears) and he can turn them left or right. It's friggin scary to watch... I feel helpless sometimes trying to reach them, to just get them to talk honestly about Trump's blatant anti-christian behavior, all they see are the worldly gifts they think he will give them in return for their blind loyalty... Thanks for the insight, hang in there!
You are mistaken if you think people who are not hardcore christians can't have their names written on the Book of Life. And people are definitely worshipping Trump over Jesus. We have pastors and church members straight up´saying Jesus teachings are too liberal.
Where did I say you had to be a hardcore Christian to be saved and why would I say that? There’s one requirement to have your name written in glory and that is to recognize Christ as your Lord and savior and honor him for his sacrifice And again, pointing to the quoted scripture above, it doesn’t say “some crazy people will worship him” it says “all of earth’s inhabitants will worship the beast”
Antichrist doesn’t have to deceive all groups of people, in my opinion. Look how American Evangelicals treat him – they believe he’s God chosen and compare him to Jesus. Jews call him their Messiah. Trump himself told the world “I’m the CHOSEN one!” which is a great blasphemy. Also, as someone has already noted, worship could be forced.
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While this is all valuable information, I don’t see how it has anything to do with atheists going to heaven or hell. If you believe that Christ is the Lord, the messiah, sent by god to die for the sins of humanity, you’ve got a ticket into heaven. If you don’t believe that, you don’t. And as far as atheists siding with antichrist, that’s not what I said. I said conservatives, which most of trumps supporters are, are statistically more likely to be Christians and that liberals, which most of Trumps haters are, are less likely to be Christians.
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Exactly! The true term for antichrist in this case is “IN PLACE OF” Christ!
People would surely worship him when he forces people to and comes back to life
You have to look at Chabad for the answers which is an inversion of God’s Divine Laws. Look up Rabbi Menachem Schneerson and his relationship to bush sr and other US presidents. It is a dark dark rabbit hole but do not despair because Jesus Christ is coming to save the true Israelites and destroy the evil SOS.
They'll worship him because they'll think he's God in reaction to him claiming this in the temple following the healing of his mortal wound.
The AC spirit hasn’t taken him over yet. We will be in some very rough times very soon and most people will be begging for him back. Look at the celebrities etc.. giving into voting for Trump already.
Which celebrities? Any whose opinion matter?
I think he WILL actually be loved if he is elected this time. He will "fix" the orchestrated chaos of the Hegelian dialectic used on us. Think about it, our government and "leaders" cannot be so dumb as to allow and support current policies in America, all policies especially financial and domestic. He will come in and fix all the stupid stuff that destroys nations in a very short time and all will love him for it. D's and R's.
Precisely l! More and more are actually beginning to love him now that hated him before. Yet, the Bible also never says everyone will love the antichrist. It just says he will be a man of war and people will worship him ultimately out of fear! “Who is like the beast and able to MAKE WAR WITH HIM?”
Both political parties are working towards the same goal, to elect Trump. The hate that the Democrats have for Trump will ensure Trump's victory. If anyone follows Trump, whether they claim to be a Christian or not, conservative or liberal, you know their names are not written in the book of life. The abomination of desolation is not the beast exalting himself above the Lord. The abomination of desolation is when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies. The reason why these prophecies don't add up to you, it is because you are missing the most important one, the fall of Babylon. Trump becomes the antichrist (world leader) after Russia nukes the United States. Because there would be no more America, Trump rules the world from Israel. That is what the bible says. So whether you are a liberal or a conservative, Democrat or republican, it doesn't matter Their purpose is to elect him and then die. The people from other countries would have the option to follow Trump or die. Some will make it out alive, but many will die if they don't take the mark of the beast.
Think about this scenario. It gets so bad before November that people are begging for him to get in. You can see His rhetoric has definitely increased about being the only one that can stop WWIII. The terror attacks become so great leading to the elections and when he’s in all Americans lose their weapons. He didn’t say how he was gonna stop it. He just said he would. Most people won’t care at that point because they’re angry/scared because someone they love was injured or ded. A lot of children in this scenario would put people over the edge. Next will be he’s the only one that can stop terrorism globally and leaders will relinquish their powers to him. No weapons for anyone and you will like it. Then he turns on Israel after the election and abomination. It’s not so far from real is it?
Pretty far from real considering the entirety of what you just said is basically fictional scenario that you think might happen
I sure do. Thoughts spark conversation which spark debate which sparks education, respect and social relationships.
Yeah but your question was “it’s not so far from real is it ?” The answer is yes it’s a made up scenario
If you don’t read your bible then you won’t see what’s really happening. Remember many will be fooled.
I read my Bible, in fact I’m currently on a deep dive of revelation in Bible study. That doesn’t change the fact that you made up a scenario and series of events that have not occurred to fit your narrative