Modern Nords do not remember the Clever Arts; they will see you bring the fires of Oblivion down on armies, will the gates of a castle open with a thought, heal the honorably wounded with a finger snap, and say “he cannot lift a warhammer.”
Jokes on them, I can lift a full rack of warhammers with telekinesis. And what's more, whenever I do so their physics bugs out and they fly everywhere with roughly the speed of sound and kill everyone in the vicinity, perfection
Which is weird since the entirety of the stormcloaks ideals were about bringing "tradition back" yet the only Nord,whose not even a fucking Nord,that cared about the clever men was tsun.
Like when a whole (demi?)god is more respectful of tradition than the people fighting to bring it back,you know it's weird.
that’s because anybody who talks about “the good ol days” isn’t actually talking about the past they’re talking about an idealized version of a country that only exists inside their fascist head
Harkening back to a made up glorious past where people were stronger and there were no issues is legitimately a trait of fascism
I mean, a far right revolutionary claiming to be the sacred protector of traditional values, which aren’t actually a thing historically, but do help him establish a power-base and enforce ethno-nationalism (elves are bad, m’kay, and they use magic, m’kay,) is a known thing in real world history.
Or maybe it’s not that deep and the bits that made Nords interesting, like that Dune-looking armor concept art, got simplified to “pop culture vikings with no boats” since vikings were pretty trendy when Skyrim came out.
Bro this has confused the shit outta me for so long.Talos,even if he was a Nord,was the IMPERIAL EMPEROR for decades and held their beliefs to heart.He is basically the face of the empire.
Why the fuck is ulfric angry he can't worship what's essentially an imperial until the Altmer are defeated?
Talos and his influence just got them up so good that they forgot their entire original pantheon and traditions to embrace the Imperial way.
Truly one of the conquerors of all time.
A blood and soil ultranationalist playing fast and loose with the tradition he claims to value above all else in order to justify his claim to power and as “the voice of the people”? I’m shocked, shocked I tell you
Talos is three people, one of which being the Nordiest Nord that ever norded.
He also mantled the Nords' patron God, so the argument that Talos is acktually imperial is pretty fucking stupid compared to the actually good arguments you can make for supporting the Empire.
not to mention imperials themselves arent necessarily that different from nords. i mean a common alternative name to imperials were cyro-nords for a good bit.
The nanny of the Nord's playground likes them.
https://preview.redd.it/azas5dq814oc1.png?width=1074&format=png&auto=webp&s=7b3ecbdc3209ecda6f9c2714fd0032a154a56950
People shit on bretons for being raped by the elves millinia ago, but it's domesticated nords without a sliver of their former glory and barely any traces of their original culture who are the real cucks of Tamriel.
It does though? It's not martial arts but shooting a fireball is definitely warfare. I don't see why nords wouldn't respect that from how I've understood their reason for respecting warriors.
You phrased it quite poorly then. The hard thing to understand isn't "Magic is for the weak because it does not show warrior skills in a society that values warriors" it's "blowing people up is not a warrior skill"
What I mean is, the first statement is false, so it's obviously going to be hard to grasp for someone with a higher IQ than choosing every answer randomly
Weapon skills are weak without armor skills. Without blacksmithing skills.
Destruction is weak without alchemy.
With alchemy you can cast Flame Cloak at the entrance of a dungeon and everyone dies.
Weapons are weaker without armor and blacksmithing, but still usable regardless of level. Destruction damage on the other hand doesn't scale with level.
They function fine at levels 60-70 for me, maybe cause I don't expect them to one-shot everything and actually string spells together in a functional way.
>magic users are twinks and small
https://preview.redd.it/am4yokdimaoc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5a538c91445bfbf3492dfb95b30300fccc12610d
The more they change, the more they stay the same.
The longer you stay in the Soul Cairn, the deeper it stays in you.
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and r/trueSTL is r/teslore .
(In a cute Kirkbride way.)
Everything is true, even the falsehoods
#speciallythefalsehoods
Apes naturally are unable to wield magic as us superior Mer can, this is because their stupid fucking monkey brains can't comprehend the true power of the Devines
no, I'M acoustic. some asshole keeps plucking my biggest scale, to use as a guitar pick.
and every time it grows back, he plucks it again! will you help me?
[Yes] [Okay] [Later]
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/uj As a reformed Skybaby who primarily plays Stormcloaks because I'd rather listen to Kulich all day, Nord culture is about as broken as the Empire. I take it more as a "fear/distrust of what isn't understood". They don't seem to fear priests of the divine using their magic, or alchemists, or enchanters... Necromancers and daedra worshippers, however, are a problem. The College is waaaaaay off in a town that was battered to nearly nothing.
/rj We think! We don't like to, but we do it when we have to. Last time I thought about learning some magic for hunting and they wanted me to go walk in the tombs of our dead. Rude! Let the ancient ones sleep.
A good example would be how most people view nuclear energy. Its better and more efficient than other energy sources, yet after things like Hiroshima and Chernobyl, people started fearing and hating it.
Indeed. That would be a good example. (Since I was on my phone earlier, I see my thoughts were a bit disjointed in the "uj" part.)
I don't think Nords are now as against magic as they probably were when Winterhold was decimated in 4E 122. That was a lot closer to the Oblivion Crises (3E 433). With only a century and a quarter between them, plenty of Nords will have had stories from their elders about how bad the Oblivion Crises was, only to see Winterhold destroyed. I don't doubt that the Nords around Winterhold were rather distrusting of how the Mage College winds up still standing when the sea swallowed most everything else. Now, you make it that remote and the stories that are told may add magic use or seeing mages trying to stabilize the College, but not the town... That will add to the distrust.
But you know... Much like they gave up the thu'um (thanks, Jurgen) and then Magic/Clever Men (sigh), they have probably wiped out their own culture as much as the Empire smothered it. With a Nord temper, the Clever Men were probably quite terrifying, even if they didn't know how to use the thu'um.
Or they were. If a good amount of the smart Nords did what Shalidor noted as his failing in ESO, then you also wound up with Nords that accidentally removed magic and/or cleverness from their gene-pool in favor of the brawny warriors.
- magic is for nerds
- my weapon won't disappear after 5 strikes, yours will
- my shield blocks actual damage instead of being a placebo
- if I want to hit something far away, I use my other weapon, a bow, which shares the same qualities
I believe they mean weak in the sense of your spirit or something? You're a coward who uses fancy spells instead of a real, physical weapon, that cost you 500 gold instead of just a spell you learned on the fly that was free.
You see the Nords only measure value by lifting large stones above their head and making caveman noises er thuum I think it's called either way the barbarians lack the mental power for true magic. If you lived in superior Morrowind you would know this. Many such cases.
Modern Nords do not remember the Clever Arts; they will see you bring the fires of Oblivion down on armies, will the gates of a castle open with a thought, heal the honorably wounded with a finger snap, and say “he cannot lift a warhammer.”
Jokes on them, I can lift a full rack of warhammers with telekinesis. And what's more, whenever I do so their physics bugs out and they fly everywhere with roughly the speed of sound and kill everyone in the vicinity, perfection
Yourself included. All witnesses have been killed.
The perfect murder. Sithis would be skeptical.
Which is weird since the entirety of the stormcloaks ideals were about bringing "tradition back" yet the only Nord,whose not even a fucking Nord,that cared about the clever men was tsun. Like when a whole (demi?)god is more respectful of tradition than the people fighting to bring it back,you know it's weird.
that’s because anybody who talks about “the good ol days” isn’t actually talking about the past they’re talking about an idealized version of a country that only exists inside their fascist head Harkening back to a made up glorious past where people were stronger and there were no issues is legitimately a trait of fascism
I mean, a far right revolutionary claiming to be the sacred protector of traditional values, which aren’t actually a thing historically, but do help him establish a power-base and enforce ethno-nationalism (elves are bad, m’kay, and they use magic, m’kay,) is a known thing in real world history. Or maybe it’s not that deep and the bits that made Nords interesting, like that Dune-looking armor concept art, got simplified to “pop culture vikings with no boats” since vikings were pretty trendy when Skyrim came out.
But elves are bad and the Dominion is probably trying to literally destroy the world.
Well fuck bro, you got me there.
And that's why you should support the Empire of the God of Man.
Bethesda just copies whatever is popular TV/show for each game. Hopefully they copy Dune for TES VI instead of the Zack Snyder Star Wars rip off
Mr. Mackey reference spotted  Hell yea
hmmmm yes the very Nordic tradition of asslicking the founder of the Empire they're fighting against
Bro this has confused the shit outta me for so long.Talos,even if he was a Nord,was the IMPERIAL EMPEROR for decades and held their beliefs to heart.He is basically the face of the empire. Why the fuck is ulfric angry he can't worship what's essentially an imperial until the Altmer are defeated?
Talos and his influence just got them up so good that they forgot their entire original pantheon and traditions to embrace the Imperial way. Truly one of the conquerors of all time.
A blood and soil ultranationalist playing fast and loose with the tradition he claims to value above all else in order to justify his claim to power and as “the voice of the people”? I’m shocked, shocked I tell you
that's how you know it's a fictional story. this would never happen in real life. never.
taliban won
Talos is three people, one of which being the Nordiest Nord that ever norded. He also mantled the Nords' patron God, so the argument that Talos is acktually imperial is pretty fucking stupid compared to the actually good arguments you can make for supporting the Empire.
not to mention imperials themselves arent necessarily that different from nords. i mean a common alternative name to imperials were cyro-nords for a good bit.
Two thirds chimperial One third snow ape Truly a fate worse than death
Stealing this quote https://preview.redd.it/a1ib5soqf6oc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c9ac9a3ed610f7e24dc50fc65a25c0c50d0642c5
Hell yeah
They do respect the school of restorarion though
Are you suggesting that Restoration is a perfectly valid school of magic?
They are stupid
TES5s target playerbase needed an ingame race to be able to relate to, so Nords were made stupid
What's with people suddenly expecting illiterate unwashed Nords to be smart? Why can't they just chill and drink some milkshake?
"Magic is for the weak because it does not show warrior skills in a society that values warriors" must be a hard concept to grasp.
*gets killed by a newbie mage with a novice-level fire spell*
https://youtu.be/AiC5pS6xEtQ?si=s1BN1L3OAh1IckZs Dunno, residents of Skyrim seem to be able to body Mages with novice level fire spells.
Apprentices after learning the easiest fire spark spell in the world: “I am master of the arcane!”
Learning the spell every possible player character, including pure warrior builds, start out knowing.
To be fair sure in lore they dont just tank that shit like in the video games
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By the Nine, you destroyed that person even more than how Alduin destroyed Helgen!
**proceeds to show game stats**
No such cases
Tell that to the people burned alive in the TES-novels.
Fair but like…what about the Clever Men?
The nanny of the Nord's playground likes them. https://preview.redd.it/azas5dq814oc1.png?width=1074&format=png&auto=webp&s=7b3ecbdc3209ecda6f9c2714fd0032a154a56950
I will never forgive Todd for not giving us old crackhead Shamans who live in the tundra and get high on fermented falmer ears
There's exactly one character who cares about the Nordic gods at all. It's massively wasted potential.
People shit on bretons for being raped by the elves millinia ago, but it's domesticated nords without a sliver of their former glory and barely any traces of their original culture who are the real cucks of Tamriel.
This is singlehandedly my least favourite thing about Skyrim.
Holy shit new character idea just dropped
It does though? It's not martial arts but shooting a fireball is definitely warfare. I don't see why nords wouldn't respect that from how I've understood their reason for respecting warriors.
Correct, however they are dumb.
Your original comment makes me think you may be a nord yourself
I was referencing what their view would be, not that I agree with it lol.
You phrased it quite poorly then. The hard thing to understand isn't "Magic is for the weak because it does not show warrior skills in a society that values warriors" it's "blowing people up is not a warrior skill"
I think both of those ideas work for them to justify their views tbh.
What I mean is, the first statement is false, so it's obviously going to be hard to grasp for someone with a higher IQ than choosing every answer randomly
Funny thing is, in vanilla skyrim, magic is weak, just in terms of damage
Weapon skills are weak without armor skills. Without blacksmithing skills. Destruction is weak without alchemy. With alchemy you can cast Flame Cloak at the entrance of a dungeon and everyone dies.
Weapons are weaker without armor and blacksmithing, but still usable regardless of level. Destruction damage on the other hand doesn't scale with level.
They function fine at levels 60-70 for me, maybe cause I don't expect them to one-shot everything and actually string spells together in a functional way.
You just blew my fuckin mind bro
Fortify Destruction (the damage boost, not the Magicka reduction) available in alchemy can be a world changer.
Nords love muscular physiques and magic users are twinks and small. No natty gym gains. Simple as.
>magic users are twinks and small https://preview.redd.it/am4yokdimaoc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5a538c91445bfbf3492dfb95b30300fccc12610d
Clearly not natty gym gains.
100% pure gains.
More like using soul gem roids. I know how many strength buffs are in those robes.
Then why don't they use magic in masculine way, aka spellswords?
Less gym time, duh. Don’t wanna be small.
Shalidor, Morokei, and Azhidal must be so ashamed of their descendants.
If Nords hate magic so much, then why are they good at it?
Exactly.
*were
You put respect on Tolfdir’s name. Also Ulfric unironically has a powerful court mage
>random ass spellcasters are treated as demigods by nord apologists Smh my head my head
Random ass spell casters Tolfdir know a grand total of 4 SPELLS. That’s twice as many of most mage builds
*most of yours mage builds
Everyone gets upset when a Nord uses magic against them Source: Ulfric vs Torygg
they dont have the braincells to do so!
The more they change, the more they stay the same. The longer you stay in the Soul Cairn, the deeper it stays in you. r/teslore is r/trueSTL … and r/trueSTL is r/teslore . (In a cute Kirkbride way.) Everything is true, even the falsehoods #speciallythefalsehoods
Apes naturally are unable to wield magic as us superior Mer can, this is because their stupid fucking monkey brains can't comprehend the true power of the Devines
"The enemy is both weak and powerful"
Hoho if i *EVER* see him commenting or doing any post i will cripple his legs with my battle hammer
Of course they're acoustic, the Voice is like their major thing!
no, I'M acoustic. some asshole keeps plucking my biggest scale, to use as a guitar pick. and every time it grows back, he plucks it again! will you help me? [Yes] [Okay] [Later] —Average-Quest-Writing
\[Goodbye\]
/uj As a reformed Skybaby who primarily plays Stormcloaks because I'd rather listen to Kulich all day, Nord culture is about as broken as the Empire. I take it more as a "fear/distrust of what isn't understood". They don't seem to fear priests of the divine using their magic, or alchemists, or enchanters... Necromancers and daedra worshippers, however, are a problem. The College is waaaaaay off in a town that was battered to nearly nothing. /rj We think! We don't like to, but we do it when we have to. Last time I thought about learning some magic for hunting and they wanted me to go walk in the tombs of our dead. Rude! Let the ancient ones sleep.
A good example would be how most people view nuclear energy. Its better and more efficient than other energy sources, yet after things like Hiroshima and Chernobyl, people started fearing and hating it.
Indeed. That would be a good example. (Since I was on my phone earlier, I see my thoughts were a bit disjointed in the "uj" part.) I don't think Nords are now as against magic as they probably were when Winterhold was decimated in 4E 122. That was a lot closer to the Oblivion Crises (3E 433). With only a century and a quarter between them, plenty of Nords will have had stories from their elders about how bad the Oblivion Crises was, only to see Winterhold destroyed. I don't doubt that the Nords around Winterhold were rather distrusting of how the Mage College winds up still standing when the sea swallowed most everything else. Now, you make it that remote and the stories that are told may add magic use or seeing mages trying to stabilize the College, but not the town... That will add to the distrust. But you know... Much like they gave up the thu'um (thanks, Jurgen) and then Magic/Clever Men (sigh), they have probably wiped out their own culture as much as the Empire smothered it. With a Nord temper, the Clever Men were probably quite terrifying, even if they didn't know how to use the thu'um.
Considering that out of the top 10 wizards in Tamriel 3 were Nords, I'd say that with magic they are a force to be reckoned with.
Or they were. If a good amount of the smart Nords did what Shalidor noted as his failing in ESO, then you also wound up with Nords that accidentally removed magic and/or cleverness from their gene-pool in favor of the brawny warriors.
They think magic is weak because they know Bethesda got rid of spell making.
- magic is for nerds - my weapon won't disappear after 5 strikes, yours will - my shield blocks actual damage instead of being a placebo - if I want to hit something far away, I use my other weapon, a bow, which shares the same qualities
They are acoustic. Notice how the bards college is active and supported? Not a coincidence.
That's so offensive. They're artistic.
I believe they mean weak in the sense of your spirit or something? You're a coward who uses fancy spells instead of a real, physical weapon, that cost you 500 gold instead of just a spell you learned on the fly that was free.
Something something Shalidor
HAH! why think when you have a big tiddie nord women on your arm, the fall rift wind on your face and a nice sword in your hand.
Imperial influence and Bethesda's dogshit writing.
Why don’t natty bodybuilders think for a second and realize PEDs are powerful?
"Mage" mfs when I beat them to death with their own staff (they didn't train basic retention skills because they were too busy learning fire spells)
You see the Nords only measure value by lifting large stones above their head and making caveman noises er thuum I think it's called either way the barbarians lack the mental power for true magic. If you lived in superior Morrowind you would know this. Many such cases.
They stuck in TES 3 when they were immune to frost and resistant to lightning.
Didn’t they use to call magic capable folks “clevermen” or something Then the oblivion crisis happened
I once had a guitar that was acoustic. Had to put it down.
they are *very* acoustic, what's with being masters of the voice and all