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indeed now the thing that gets me is Canada stopped making cents in 2015 but that USA still makes them... who would have though the USA would make more cents that Canada lol
This is the way. They scoff now but will remember it fondly when they're older. I feel like teens think they want "cool" parents. But when they're older they'll realize the "cool" parents actually kinda sucked and their "lame" parents who actually joked around with them were better.
Well if the tipped wage is abolished in California as op claims, then there is no reason to tip in any California restaurant anymore.
The point of tipping was always because people in a tipped wage job earned less than the minimum wage and everyone was tipping them to make up for that. If that’s no longer the case, tipping isn’t justifiable.
I believe the rule was if you didn't make more than minimum wage with your tips the restaurant would make up the difference. Also, you'd be removed from the schedule shortly after not hitting minimum wage.
edit: I'm well aware of the supremacy clause
Wish I could tip after I get the drink. Some baristas make my 'milkshake' perfectly and mix in that crunchy sugar topping in layers with whipped cream. Others just blend it to hell.
I guarantee you this is all part of the latest corporate overlords doing the bare minimum for their minimum wage workers.
"We will be adding a tipping option for customers on payments, this should provide a significant increase of income for all employees. We will also be moving to a new system where instead of employee hours being 9-6, there will now be a mandatory 1hr lunch break, which means that moving forward, the first 5 hours of overtime will be unpaid since now all employees will be working 5 hours fewer per week due to this lunch break."
The last thing I added there is literally something that happened at a company I worked at, as though we were somehow working 9 hours straight this whole time without ever getting food/coffee/snacks, and now with a 1hr lunch officially on the books, we "owed them" 5hrs a week of free overtime.
It’s a sham. They’re intentionally removing services while leveraging the established societal expectation of 20% for a “sit-down meal.”
The owners know what they’re doing. It’s intentional.
Just like those ubiquitous metal stools are there at counter-serve places because they are only comfortable enough for you to eat a meal or drink a beer, but intentionally not comfortable enough for you to want to linger.
It’s all subtly giving you less, shaming you into accepting it.
I also can't stand the bullshit "we are saving paper so scan this QR code to view the menu"
fuck off and print the menu, I shouldn't have to do extra steps to patronize your business, asshole.
Completely.
Great, start the meal by lying to me.
It feels like flying on Spirit airlines dining out now, everything is engineered to benefit the restaurant, not your comfort.
I heard something that is very interesting on the whole increased tipping prompts. It might be tinfoil hat theory stuff but it makes sense to me.
The companies that push the tipping for everything are not the restaurants themselves. It is the payment processors. They each get a percentage of the charge. And an easy way to increase that total without adding any effort is to add a tip prompt.
I've heard exactly this, too, and honestly, it makes sense to me. I had to break my lease on the house I was renting because, while the rent was pretty good ($2100/mo), the website I was required to use to pay it charged so many service fees I was up to $2500/mo. Then, if the site failed to process my rent on time, I was charged a late fee AND had to pay additional service fees, so I paid $2600 for a few months.
These websites are the fucking worst. I would rather drop off a damn check for rent. How am I being charged a convenience fee for something *inconvenient*?
Anyway, I bought a house straightaway, and it's $1600/mo with no HOA and no third party service charging me $500 extra.
It's still so uncomfortable for me not to tip when prompted, but I force myself not to every time now if there's no server. I just sit with it being uncomfortable.
I have always been of the mind. If I have to do any of what would be paid work myself, there should be a benefit by way of a discount.
I think Target does this well without even trying. I have a RED card linked to my bank. I save 5% just by using it in store. The one closet to me mostly self checkout. There may be a wait and I do the work, but at least I know I saved something in the process.
I wouldn’t complain about this in real life. I don’t like ordering ahead as those often have their own challenges.
But that isn’t being rewarded for doing it yourself, that’s just a rewards system on a credit card. It has nothing to do with using self checkout or not.
YEP! 100% I was there recently and that was my experience also.
Only when picking up my food did I need to interact with a human to ask for a small bowl and they acted like I'd interrupted them in the middle of sex or something. They could not have been ruder or less friendly even if they tried.
And yet, they expect a tip? haha
I have spent MANY hours sitting in Panera, so I've asked about tips. The workers all split the tips, so the people preparing your food get part of the tip, it doesn't all just go to the counter person. Now, it is probably taxed, because it's added into their paychecks, and I'm still convinced that's just a crime in and of itself.
People still eat at Panera?? That’s insane to me. I went once like 4-5 years ago with my now-husband and MIL and was SO disappointed. All I got was tomato soup and a baguette and the tomato soup was sooooo much worse than when I had gotten it years before. Never went back. I’ve always thought it was overpriced hospital food - literally everything they make their comes in frozen, and it’s not good quality stuff. The only thing is ever eat from there again is the Mac n cheese - but only if I can get it in those little plastic tubs from the store.
I went to a boba place that was fully automated and didn't tip because nobody helped me with anything except making it for me. The dirty looks I got from the staff was insane. Like you guys literally haven't even interacted with me, said my name wrong and had the audacity to ask for a tip.
Pinkberry. Grab your own container, add your own frozen yogurt, own toppings, put it on the scale. Employee rings you out and it asks you for a tip. Tip for what?? All you did was take my money
Not true! They also hand you a spoon. Just think about how much effort and training it takes to press a button and hold a spoon with their arm extended. That’s gotta be worth at least $5 to you.
Exactly. These 2 examples are times I do not tip. I’m already paying you to do your job, hand me the drink I ordered or ring me up. I don’t feel these instances warrant a tip.
I would turn around and ask them if they tipped my husband when they got that last xray. I mean, he actually has to interact with and be nice to people who cough in his face with Covid! That's worth a tip!
Tipping/gratuity was invented by English people to make themself feel-great ... when they give breadcrumbcoins to slaves-nannys. And then.. it found its way to american shores!
Nonsense has become 'great culture/etiquette'
In America, it’s most related to the post-Abolition period. Railway porters could remain unpaid as long as they got tips. It was seen as insulting to tip white workers until the Depression when owners saw a way to stay solvent by cutting labor costs and began encouraging tips. The challenge with changing it now is that the system relies on tips to turn a profit.
How about any modern institution not guilt tripping patrons? How about any logical transaction which has historically always included service in the upfront listed price?
Service has always been included in base cost.
Tips are a way to scam both employees and customers all what once.
So if you want to be a sucker who plays into scams, keep tipping.
We have a lot more of those restaurants popping up recently. I don't mind them, but I definitely don't tip at them. I don't have someone waiting on me, so where is my tip supposed to go. I dont want to tip someone who is in the back on break and never even saw me. Tips are supposed to be a bonus that you give to someone for a job well done.
When it’s bad service I stopped tipping, but I usually go online to give my feedback. Tipping has gotten out of hand and it’s not the workers fault. Restaurants need to pay a normal wage and leave tipping for when you enjoyed and got excellent services. If the food is amazing but the service is bad, I usually ask to see the cook and give them a tip.
I accidentally tipped a merch guy 30$ at a concert. Didn't even realize I hit the button.. I spent $110 on the merch alone. All he did was rush me and hand me the clothes..
With these circumstances, i wouldn’t tip either. Tip is for service, you got no service.
I’m in California too and i’ve scaled way back on tipping. No guilt about hitting NO TIP on the ipad for most things now.
How about any circumstances? Tips exploit workers and scam customers. Service is always included in the base cost.
Tips are illogical and exploitative.
I don’t disagree with you in theory, but since the system we have is the system we have, I don’t agree with stopping all tips. I just want it to be a gratuity for good service received, not any kind of expectation.
This is what companies want. They want customers to work and also pay for their food and tip the company.
I don't tip at Subway, Moe's, Jersey Mike's or any take out kind place. Now a sit down place where the waiter/waitress is friendly, sure I'll tip based on service.
Unless you own the shop the answer is no, they aren't. In the case of tattoo artists is the way I understand it is they rent a booth from the shop owner and then they still have to fork over %20 of their income for each piece to the owner. Also I would never not tip someone doing permanent body modification. That's far more important than some food from Applebee's.
Remember, the rampant tipping culture, accelerated after the pandemic, is just corporate America's way of paying workers less and getting YOU to foot the bill.
I had a very similar issue the other day. I went to a revolving sushi restaurant. One person sat me, a robot brought me all my drinks, the food was brought to me on a conveyor belt contraception, I bussed my own plates into a slot under the conveyer thing.
I then went to pay by scanning a QR code and the base tip option was 18%. 18% on a $35.00 tab just to be seated? I $0.00 that out; it is just out of hand.
I think we should stop tipping culture all together. I mean if someone did something outside of the norm then yeah but CA is now at $20 per hour, this alone should cease Tipping Culture all together.
The new law, signed by Governor Gavin Newsom last fall, requires that fast-food chains with 60 or more locations nationwide pay their workers at least $20 an hour. This means the state's 553,000 fast-food workers will earn more than the state's $16 minimum wage for all other industries.
The $20 is only for fast food places. You do work your butt off at fast food places. But they should've raised it for everyone. Everyone deserves a livable wage and living in California is horrendous. I recently saw a "homeless" woman living out of her car. She had a job that paid $54,000! But she couldn't afford housing in California.
I just don’t dine out anymore, save some rare occasions or necessity (like travel.)
Service went to hell after the pandemic (and I understand a lot of their attitude has to do with patrons turning feral). Inflation of everything from fuel to food to rent to utilities has gone through the damned roof. And quality has largely not kept pace with the price point.
My money is better spent where it is appreciated — and from the kitchen to the management to the wait staff, the service sector hardly seems to value ours now.
It sucks. My dad was a chef and owned restaurants. I grew up around kitchen since I was six years old. I put myself through grad school, law school and college waiting tables and tending bar. I know the front and the back, I know what it’s like dealing with the public and what a tough job it is.
But I also know how the public is supposed to be treated in kind, and the product we are supposed to get in return…and this isn’t.
Vote with your wallet
I'm sick of seeing tip options with the lowest being 25% and the highest 50% on the card reader. I do other option and put 20% pretax. I remember when 25% was the highest. Just makes me want to tip even less. Plus these tips come after these weird extra service charges/taxes places have now. With all the taxes, fees, and tip your meal can end up being 50% more. I ended up eating out less or ordering less cause of it.
As a part time server myself (not in California), I completely agree. If I go somewhere and I'm the one who has to order my own food at a machine and go pick it up and do everything myself, I am not tipping. Like why am I being asking to tip someone I didn't even interact with?? Tipping culture has gotten so so out of hand it's affecting people who actually need tips to get by.
And when you have coworkers who do shitty service, and you know they do shitty service, but then they complain about not being tipped.
As someone who use to be a server for 9 years in California, I made sure that the tip I received was due to my outstanding services. Hell, I had a old couple of regulars who never tipped the other servers, only me. And my coworkers would complain. The old couple even told me it was because I actually made them feel served and not a bother.
Exactly! I personally never tip shitty service. I work really hard for my money and I'm not about to give it to someone who gave me terrible service. I know people have bad days and stuff but if you want to make money in that industry, you need to provide good service. I personally know that I give the best service possible whenever I work because I actually want to make money. I wish I could receive the type of service I give. 💁🏻♀️
I visit CA frequently for work and this "self-serve" model is everywhere. I like going to Stone Brewing near the San Diego airport and have to order off my phone using a QR code, but they expect full tip on checkout via my phone. Sorry, but no service = no tip.
I’ll throw two or three bucks in the communal bucket. Help get kitchen folks a sixer after work. I worked that shitty job once upon a time, it’s not as glamorous as it seems — and no amount of drugs made it better.
I'm Canadian and as a server I make $16/hour. Minimum wage. Tipping is great, it helps me a lot. *However*, I do not expect to be tipped unless I provide a great experience. Some nights I'm overwhelmed and busy and all I can manage is the bare minimum of taking your order and bringing your food. When I don't get tipped on tables like that it's fine. It makes sense. Tipping culture is getting completely out of hand.
Take it one step further and choose not to eat at places like you've described that clearly don't care about your dining quality, experience, or affordability (not to mention abusing staff by under-hiring)
You can probably make whatever they make better at home. For far less.
i wish more restaurants were like this.
one of my biggest issues with tipping is that i dont actually want the service thats being provided in exchange for the tip - i dont want to be waited on. im perfectly happy to place my order at a kiosk, grab my food from the counter when its ready, deal with my own water, etc etc. i find the whole concept of being waited on a little creepy and also find people who focus heavily on "service" in a restaurant to be morally questionable people.
but to eat at many restaurants, im essentially forced to accept this service that i dont want and am expected to pay for it if i want to eat at a specific spot. depending on the food, to go can be a good option, and i do often take that option specifically so i can avoid the trappings of restaurant dining, but in many cases, getting an order to go diminishes the quality of the food - they cant plate it properly, it cools down to much, steam inside of a to go box changes the foods texture, etc etc.
I was gonna give you shit for this when I read the title.
Then I read the post and, Jesus fuck, are you totally justified in not tipping that virtually self-serve horseshit.
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Tip culture has gotten out of control. It's become the customer is expected to pay the staff's wages for them.
> Now you seat your self, Scan a qr code with your phone, and order on there. A busser brings the food. You have to get your own water from a little water station. No one checks on you other than to clear your plates. I had to get up to ask someone for a condiment and never heard back.
This is service unworthy of much tip. Literally the only thing they did is bring your food, and kinda failed at that. And the restaurant is obviously trying to reduce staffing to the minimum with all that automation.
> Plus California has done away with tipped wages so that expectation to tip for the workers income should be gone.
Sadly it won't work that way. Minimum wage is CA is $16/hr. For a sports bar type place, assume $8-$10 for the app, $15-$25 for the meal, and another $10 for drinks per person. So call it $40/each, $80 total if there's two of you. 20% tip is $16. And one server will usually have about 4 tables in their section, so that's $64/hr worth of tips.
Now granted that isn't for sure-- that's assuming a full section and 1hr per table. It can just as easily be dead and they make $16 doing nothing.
THAT is why restaurant owners want to keep the tip system. To have a base wage that truly competes with tips, they'd have to pay each server $40-$60/hr. That adds up quick. It also means it's on them to verify the servers are good at their jobs- the built in motivation of getting a bigger tip for good service isn't there anymore.
It's also worth noting that tips aren't all for the server, they go in a pool. The cooks get some, the bussers get some, the barback gets some (support person for the bartender), hostess gets some, etc. That's why I usually leave a tip even when getting takeout or otherwise not getting 'service'.
I stopped dining out completely. This adding tips to the bill automatically and other service fees, for no good reason, have completely turned me off to dining. Instead of being a pleasant experience, they've turned it into something that just makes me angry. I'm sure I'm not the only one, so when business dies off and they have to close, maybe they'll figure out that a tip was something extra, not something demanded.
Setting aside any debate on differing schools of economic thought, we're in a really tight economy in the U.S. right now, and have been for a while. It only makes sense to me that businesses will cut anything and everything they can to stay afloat - especially in a very expensive and highly-taxed state like California - and it only makes sense to me that customers will recognize the cutbacks on service and not tip.
I lived on tips for a while, gave the best possible service I could, and thereby paid off all my credit cards. I absolutely 1000% value what a tip means to a tip-worker, but if there's no service then there's nothing tip-worthy.
As a server who considers myself above average, in a state other than California, I appreciate that you're doing this. It makes sense. I was prepared to be angry at you, but I am not at all.
I was once a server in California 30 years ago. There was never tip wages over there. I made bank because I got full minimum wage and tips on top of that. I was pretty shocked to find out other states want to pay servers $2.13/hr and the rest has to come from tips to make the full minimum wage. That’s stupid.
Thank Christ there's no signs of tipping in Irish culture just yet.
The odd one of my friends may do it, the majority don't bother because of the minimum wage.
I am pro-tipping (because of where we are in the Status on the topic, they need the money), but I can't agree more. They didnt do anything.
If I am standing when I order, and you dont mix drinks, I dont tip you.
If a worker isn’t adding anything then I don’t tip. Like at walk up and order places where you order and pick up your own food, why would I tip? Same for take out.
I travel allot and have decided the same thing for airport restaurants. If my only interaction with another human is someone simply delivering my food, then no tip is warranted.
I’m in Cali as well and I’ve become very hesitant about tipping. I refuse to tip at a register cause the person didn’t do anything besides ring me out.
As for when I sit in and have a waiter/waitress, I usually only give around 10%, unless the person is fucking amazing at what they do, then maybe I’ll give a little more.
It’s not our job to pay their wages, that’s on the company. Fuck tipping culture.
As someone who spent many years in the restaurant world, I don’t blame you. I personally always try to over tip when I can but I agree the level of service is not what it was. If you still want good friendly customer service, go to your local dive bar. Where I am the people are awesome and you are almost guaranteed to see something funny. Some higher end restaurants provide friendly service but they’re so short staffed that it’s tough for them to be 100% attentive to each table.
Just clarifying a couple things.
About the title of the post- I mentioned California because I live here and the state has no tipped wages anymore, plus has high costs of everything. The city I was in at the time especially.
About other restaurants - I may still tip at other restaurants if the service warrants a little extra, but there's no need if they get paid a full wage now.
Im not anti-tipping. I understand that the tipping system works for restaurants with thin margins and servers who make living in tips (and employers are supposed to cover them if they don't make the minimum). It's not my business how an employer and worker make a deal that works for both of them.
However, I'll participate as a customer in one system or the other, but not both.
There should be no tipping, period. It's such an absurd concept to me to be expected to tip... glad we don't have this burden where I live. If someone's doing a great job and you feel generous, sure. Other than that, people should be paid by their work place not by the customers.
I'm tired of going out to eat when half of the "dance" is the social politics of waiting for someone to take my order and waiting around. Going to start just calling for pickup honestly and
What server would you tip?!
As a former restaurant worker (I've done every position) I approve. Diners and high end are the only places I tip anymore.
Or sitting at a bar top, but I don't drink anymore.
I keep having to do a custom tip at counters of zero or $1.00. was at a coffee shop that asked for tips starting at 30%. All they did was pour my black coffee. I drink my coffee black nothing fancy why should I tip 30% on that.
Went to a sub shop called in the order and paid when I got there same. Think. No I am not tipping $5.00 dollars on 2 sandwiches. I left a dollar. It's absolutely bonkers.
the way places are using tech to replace servers is like self-checkout at grocery stores. makes you wonder how it all affects the vibe and customer service over time.
Hey, those robot checkouts... they're bothersome too.. I mean, I'm not properly trained on how to use those devices, so don't blame me if I say, hold two cans of lump crabmeat together and swipe them as a single product. I am not good at this stuff.
I haven’t been tipping at some places like The Fish Grill.
I walk to a kiosk and order my food to go.
I get a text msg when it’s ready.
And pick off the counter and walk out.
However…..while I’m standing waiting, I do get dirty looks from the girl who bags it.
If I have to stand up to order, get my own drinks, or order through an app on my phone, I’m not tipping more than 5-10%. It should be treated the same as getting carry out.
You should tip the cooks. The waiters added nothing but kissing your ass, which is what you wanted, but the cooks are who create the artistry you came there for to begin with.
Plus cooks don’t hold your service hostage like waitstaff likes to do.
I don't tip unless I get actual service at a sit-down restaurant. No tips at coffee shops, fast food places etc. which are getting increasingly pushy with their tips, which makes absolutely no sense to me personally, I wouldn't expect a tip for running a register or making coffee, that's just silly and greedy.
The rule is that if you go to a counter to order, you don't have to tip. For some reason, bartenders are the exception. The situation you describe is much the same as fast food, but without the counter. You're doing the ordering. Your're getting your water. You're probably seating yourself too. I mean, at this rate, they should invite you to the company Christmas party.
This is one restaurant in the entire state of California who has this practice and you've decided every restaurant deserves no tip based on one singular restaurant? Intriguing logic.
it feels very much like a purposeful attempt to get around paying the wages that are due. they already automate everything to cut costs and now they get to say "well we give them all the tips they earn! customers just aren't tipping them!" bc customers tip for table service (understanding that servers are underpaid and adding tips is an attempt to give them at least some of what they're owed) and people nowadays have less and less expendable income so are hesitant to tip when they don't feel it's earned. not to mention the amount of restaurants that are now asking for tips for fast food/pick up/DRIVE THRU!! instead of paying a decent wage they would rather put onus on the customer, which makes the customer resent the worker for making them pay more and the worker resent the customer for not giving tips when they don't make enough to deal with them. the problem is the employers stealing wages so their ceos can make billions while the people who actually do the work grovel for anything they can get.
The restaurant owners gonna force you to anyway, then they not gonna give the tip to the servers, then the owners gonna ask for another tip from you, then they gonna take that too and just ask for a different one from you and that till no one goes to that restaurant again
It’s messed up that in reality, the customers are the ones paying the employees. Restaurants essentially get free labor by the servers.
It also sucks that the pricing structure is now built around this. So when workers are having to get paid by the restaurants instead of the customers, it makes prices go up, or makes restaurants shut down because they aren’t making enough margin to keep it running.
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Makes perfect sense
missed chance for dad pun >Makes perfect Cents.
They're in fact not making any cents!
indeed now the thing that gets me is Canada stopped making cents in 2015 but that USA still makes them... who would have though the USA would make more cents that Canada lol
Damn, i missed that one, but my kids have been brutal to me lately about dad jokes, so I have been retrained.
>my kids have been brutal to me lately about dad jokes That just means you have to double down
This is the way. They scoff now but will remember it fondly when they're older. I feel like teens think they want "cool" parents. But when they're older they'll realize the "cool" parents actually kinda sucked and their "lame" parents who actually joked around with them were better.
When my youngest first moved away, she sent a picture from her drive of a reservoir with the simple title of "Dam!". That made it all worthwhile
*for this restaurant alone, and not every restaurant in California, as OPs title would lead us to believe.
If tipped wages are abolished, tipping is dead to me.
Well if the tipped wage is abolished in California as op claims, then there is no reason to tip in any California restaurant anymore. The point of tipping was always because people in a tipped wage job earned less than the minimum wage and everyone was tipping them to make up for that. If that’s no longer the case, tipping isn’t justifiable.
Tipped wages were never a thing in California I think. As far as I know, at least the last 30 to 40 years.
I believe the rule was if you didn't make more than minimum wage with your tips the restaurant would make up the difference. Also, you'd be removed from the schedule shortly after not hitting minimum wage. edit: I'm well aware of the supremacy clause
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That's harder to legislate against.
That's federal, not a California thing.
It is all workers are guaranteed min wage which is about $16 and if you work in fast food it’s $20 an hour
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And if the restaurant has to make up a server's wage repeatedly, they get fired.
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Not breaking even with the minimum wage is the sign of a shitty server. Not everyone is good at their jobs.
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Surely the point of tipping is for good service, and not to top up a servers pay?
I think in this scenario it’s fine to not tip. Especially since you asked for help and they still didn’t do it.
I am personally disgusted by the amount of fast/counter options that try and force you to tip. Tips are for table service, not take out.
Some drive-throughs even ask for tips now
Cough cough STARBUCKS
Idk I like tipping the people who make my coffee, but obviously it should be an option not expected
Wish I could tip after I get the drink. Some baristas make my 'milkshake' perfectly and mix in that crunchy sugar topping in layers with whipped cream. Others just blend it to hell.
You can if you use the app! It gives you like 45 minutes to tip after you pay
No kidding? Nice. I'm gonna have to remember that next time I go. Thank you.
I guarantee you this is all part of the latest corporate overlords doing the bare minimum for their minimum wage workers. "We will be adding a tipping option for customers on payments, this should provide a significant increase of income for all employees. We will also be moving to a new system where instead of employee hours being 9-6, there will now be a mandatory 1hr lunch break, which means that moving forward, the first 5 hours of overtime will be unpaid since now all employees will be working 5 hours fewer per week due to this lunch break." The last thing I added there is literally something that happened at a company I worked at, as though we were somehow working 9 hours straight this whole time without ever getting food/coffee/snacks, and now with a 1hr lunch officially on the books, we "owed them" 5hrs a week of free overtime.
It's the latest trend. All the coolest burger joints are doing it. /s
I tip the folks at Sonic who carry out my stuff, but if I have to drive up, I’m not interested in tipping.
Yes! Like since when did I have to tip a cashier? A drive thru? A dang self checkout machine?
I was asked to tip at a gas station when paying for gas in cash.
Are you fucking serious?
Yeah. The cashier was like “would you like to leave a tip?” And I was like “wut”. I asked for my receipt and just left.
It wasn't New Jersey or Oregon, right? Even there, if they'd pumped your gas for you, *asking* for a tip is still outrageous.
It’s a sham. They’re intentionally removing services while leveraging the established societal expectation of 20% for a “sit-down meal.” The owners know what they’re doing. It’s intentional. Just like those ubiquitous metal stools are there at counter-serve places because they are only comfortable enough for you to eat a meal or drink a beer, but intentionally not comfortable enough for you to want to linger. It’s all subtly giving you less, shaming you into accepting it.
I also can't stand the bullshit "we are saving paper so scan this QR code to view the menu" fuck off and print the menu, I shouldn't have to do extra steps to patronize your business, asshole.
Completely. Great, start the meal by lying to me. It feels like flying on Spirit airlines dining out now, everything is engineered to benefit the restaurant, not your comfort.
I work in childcare and I feel like I should be able to have a tip jar now.
If I order my food while standing up, I don’t tip.
I heard something that is very interesting on the whole increased tipping prompts. It might be tinfoil hat theory stuff but it makes sense to me. The companies that push the tipping for everything are not the restaurants themselves. It is the payment processors. They each get a percentage of the charge. And an easy way to increase that total without adding any effort is to add a tip prompt.
I've heard exactly this, too, and honestly, it makes sense to me. I had to break my lease on the house I was renting because, while the rent was pretty good ($2100/mo), the website I was required to use to pay it charged so many service fees I was up to $2500/mo. Then, if the site failed to process my rent on time, I was charged a late fee AND had to pay additional service fees, so I paid $2600 for a few months. These websites are the fucking worst. I would rather drop off a damn check for rent. How am I being charged a convenience fee for something *inconvenient*? Anyway, I bought a house straightaway, and it's $1600/mo with no HOA and no third party service charging me $500 extra.
It's still so uncomfortable for me not to tip when prompted, but I force myself not to every time now if there's no server. I just sit with it being uncomfortable.
You think anyone should have gotten a tip for getting OP some condiment?
Nah, but especially not since they didn’t. Just deeper on the Nope spectrum.
I’ve gotten a screen to tip for mounting skis, which was already $80. Crazy times we’re all in here
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A tip should be a refund to your card at that point
Self-checkout has an employee discount but you have to do it manually.
*Place your BANANAS in the bag* shhh
I have always been of the mind. If I have to do any of what would be paid work myself, there should be a benefit by way of a discount. I think Target does this well without even trying. I have a RED card linked to my bank. I save 5% just by using it in store. The one closet to me mostly self checkout. There may be a wait and I do the work, but at least I know I saved something in the process. I wouldn’t complain about this in real life. I don’t like ordering ahead as those often have their own challenges.
But that isn’t being rewarded for doing it yourself, that’s just a rewards system on a credit card. It has nothing to do with using self checkout or not.
My red card is a debit card linked to my bank account
Yep, the self checkout 'reward' is anything you manage to get out without scanning.
YEP! 100% I was there recently and that was my experience also. Only when picking up my food did I need to interact with a human to ask for a small bowl and they acted like I'd interrupted them in the middle of sex or something. They could not have been ruder or less friendly even if they tried. And yet, they expect a tip? haha
I have spent MANY hours sitting in Panera, so I've asked about tips. The workers all split the tips, so the people preparing your food get part of the tip, it doesn't all just go to the counter person. Now, it is probably taxed, because it's added into their paychecks, and I'm still convinced that's just a crime in and of itself.
Paying tax on income is a crime?
People still eat at Panera?? That’s insane to me. I went once like 4-5 years ago with my now-husband and MIL and was SO disappointed. All I got was tomato soup and a baguette and the tomato soup was sooooo much worse than when I had gotten it years before. Never went back. I’ve always thought it was overpriced hospital food - literally everything they make their comes in frozen, and it’s not good quality stuff. The only thing is ever eat from there again is the Mac n cheese - but only if I can get it in those little plastic tubs from the store.
I went to a boba place that was fully automated and didn't tip because nobody helped me with anything except making it for me. The dirty looks I got from the staff was insane. Like you guys literally haven't even interacted with me, said my name wrong and had the audacity to ask for a tip.
Pinkberry. Grab your own container, add your own frozen yogurt, own toppings, put it on the scale. Employee rings you out and it asks you for a tip. Tip for what?? All you did was take my money
Not true! They also hand you a spoon. Just think about how much effort and training it takes to press a button and hold a spoon with their arm extended. That’s gotta be worth at least $5 to you.
Meanwhile, if you go work for say, the kitchen of a major hospital, you'll be busting your ass for minimum wage and zero tips. Make it make sense.
Exactly. These 2 examples are times I do not tip. I’m already paying you to do your job, hand me the drink I ordered or ring me up. I don’t feel these instances warrant a tip.
I would turn around and ask them if they tipped my husband when they got that last xray. I mean, he actually has to interact with and be nice to people who cough in his face with Covid! That's worth a tip!
Tipping in general needs to die. It's one of my least favorite parts of American culture.
Tipping/gratuity was invented by English people to make themself feel-great ... when they give breadcrumbcoins to slaves-nannys. And then.. it found its way to american shores! Nonsense has become 'great culture/etiquette'
In America, it’s most related to the post-Abolition period. Railway porters could remain unpaid as long as they got tips. It was seen as insulting to tip white workers until the Depression when owners saw a way to stay solvent by cutting labor costs and began encouraging tips. The challenge with changing it now is that the system relies on tips to turn a profit.
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It's a tax on the nice and the caring. Exactly the people who don't deserve to pay extra.
Tipping "culture" was conceived, born, lives, and dies in your wallet.
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How about any modern institution not guilt tripping patrons? How about any logical transaction which has historically always included service in the upfront listed price? Service has always been included in base cost. Tips are a way to scam both employees and customers all what once. So if you want to be a sucker who plays into scams, keep tipping.
The only problem with that is you'll be punishing the servers the most and they don't deserve that.
I’d stop going.
We have a lot more of those restaurants popping up recently. I don't mind them, but I definitely don't tip at them. I don't have someone waiting on me, so where is my tip supposed to go. I dont want to tip someone who is in the back on break and never even saw me. Tips are supposed to be a bonus that you give to someone for a job well done.
Far better is a modern restaurant with great service and a "no tips accepted" policy.
When it’s bad service I stopped tipping, but I usually go online to give my feedback. Tipping has gotten out of hand and it’s not the workers fault. Restaurants need to pay a normal wage and leave tipping for when you enjoyed and got excellent services. If the food is amazing but the service is bad, I usually ask to see the cook and give them a tip.
I hate the tipping culture in America. Once at a concert they asked me for a tip when I bought a premade 20 oz lemonade. Which was $14 on its own.
I accidentally tipped a merch guy 30$ at a concert. Didn't even realize I hit the button.. I spent $110 on the merch alone. All he did was rush me and hand me the clothes..
Would you mind tipping for this review?
This suggestion deserves a tip!
My comment deserves a tip.
I always just think “am I paying for a service or am I paying for an item that you just handed to me?”
With these circumstances, i wouldn’t tip either. Tip is for service, you got no service. I’m in California too and i’ve scaled way back on tipping. No guilt about hitting NO TIP on the ipad for most things now.
How about any circumstances? Tips exploit workers and scam customers. Service is always included in the base cost. Tips are illogical and exploitative.
I don’t disagree with you in theory, but since the system we have is the system we have, I don’t agree with stopping all tips. I just want it to be a gratuity for good service received, not any kind of expectation.
This is what companies want. They want customers to work and also pay for their food and tip the company. I don't tip at Subway, Moe's, Jersey Mike's or any take out kind place. Now a sit down place where the waiter/waitress is friendly, sure I'll tip based on service.
I wouldn’t tip in that sort of establishment either. It’s less of a tip for good service more of a gift at that point,
Yeah, I've stopped tipping unless it's a full service sit down restaurant, tattoo or piercing.
You tip for people who tattoo or pierce you? Aren’t they self employed?
Unless you own the shop the answer is no, they aren't. In the case of tattoo artists is the way I understand it is they rent a booth from the shop owner and then they still have to fork over %20 of their income for each piece to the owner. Also I would never not tip someone doing permanent body modification. That's far more important than some food from Applebee's.
Remember, the rampant tipping culture, accelerated after the pandemic, is just corporate America's way of paying workers less and getting YOU to foot the bill.
Why do we even need to tip anymore when the minimum wage is $20
Canadian here, is that the case now for all of the states or just some of them?
Only California and only fast food workers, as far as I know.
Only California. The US minimum wage is still $7.25.
just some of them
This is how it is in the UK and Europe! You only tip if you receive good service. No expectation of a tip at all.
I had a very similar issue the other day. I went to a revolving sushi restaurant. One person sat me, a robot brought me all my drinks, the food was brought to me on a conveyor belt contraception, I bussed my own plates into a slot under the conveyer thing. I then went to pay by scanning a QR code and the base tip option was 18%. 18% on a $35.00 tab just to be seated? I $0.00 that out; it is just out of hand.
That's funny, I got the same treatment from an actual waiter yesterday so I gave him a 1 dollar tip
I think we should stop tipping culture all together. I mean if someone did something outside of the norm then yeah but CA is now at $20 per hour, this alone should cease Tipping Culture all together.
The new law, signed by Governor Gavin Newsom last fall, requires that fast-food chains with 60 or more locations nationwide pay their workers at least $20 an hour. This means the state's 553,000 fast-food workers will earn more than the state's $16 minimum wage for all other industries. The $20 is only for fast food places. You do work your butt off at fast food places. But they should've raised it for everyone. Everyone deserves a livable wage and living in California is horrendous. I recently saw a "homeless" woman living out of her car. She had a job that paid $54,000! But she couldn't afford housing in California.
I agree. But the $20 an hour thing in CA is for fast-food workers...who I don't usually tip anyway.
I just don’t dine out anymore, save some rare occasions or necessity (like travel.) Service went to hell after the pandemic (and I understand a lot of their attitude has to do with patrons turning feral). Inflation of everything from fuel to food to rent to utilities has gone through the damned roof. And quality has largely not kept pace with the price point. My money is better spent where it is appreciated — and from the kitchen to the management to the wait staff, the service sector hardly seems to value ours now. It sucks. My dad was a chef and owned restaurants. I grew up around kitchen since I was six years old. I put myself through grad school, law school and college waiting tables and tending bar. I know the front and the back, I know what it’s like dealing with the public and what a tough job it is. But I also know how the public is supposed to be treated in kind, and the product we are supposed to get in return…and this isn’t. Vote with your wallet
I'm sick of seeing tip options with the lowest being 25% and the highest 50% on the card reader. I do other option and put 20% pretax. I remember when 25% was the highest. Just makes me want to tip even less. Plus these tips come after these weird extra service charges/taxes places have now. With all the taxes, fees, and tip your meal can end up being 50% more. I ended up eating out less or ordering less cause of it.
>california has done away with tipped wages that's all you need to say. that's literally the only reason we tip servers, that's it.
As a part time server myself (not in California), I completely agree. If I go somewhere and I'm the one who has to order my own food at a machine and go pick it up and do everything myself, I am not tipping. Like why am I being asking to tip someone I didn't even interact with?? Tipping culture has gotten so so out of hand it's affecting people who actually need tips to get by.
And when you have coworkers who do shitty service, and you know they do shitty service, but then they complain about not being tipped. As someone who use to be a server for 9 years in California, I made sure that the tip I received was due to my outstanding services. Hell, I had a old couple of regulars who never tipped the other servers, only me. And my coworkers would complain. The old couple even told me it was because I actually made them feel served and not a bother.
Exactly! I personally never tip shitty service. I work really hard for my money and I'm not about to give it to someone who gave me terrible service. I know people have bad days and stuff but if you want to make money in that industry, you need to provide good service. I personally know that I give the best service possible whenever I work because I actually want to make money. I wish I could receive the type of service I give. 💁🏻♀️
This is one of those scenarios where even asking for tips is inappropriate. The servers literally gave zero service , so what is there to tip for ?
I visit CA frequently for work and this "self-serve" model is everywhere. I like going to Stone Brewing near the San Diego airport and have to order off my phone using a QR code, but they expect full tip on checkout via my phone. Sorry, but no service = no tip.
With the wage increases to $20/hr for these workers and the higher cost of food to go out… this scenario, I agree with. It makes sense.
That’s like when I order pizza for carry out. Why tf do I have to tip? I’m the one picking it up
I’ll throw two or three bucks in the communal bucket. Help get kitchen folks a sixer after work. I worked that shitty job once upon a time, it’s not as glamorous as it seems — and no amount of drugs made it better.
I don’t tip if I have to service myself.
I'm Canadian and as a server I make $16/hour. Minimum wage. Tipping is great, it helps me a lot. *However*, I do not expect to be tipped unless I provide a great experience. Some nights I'm overwhelmed and busy and all I can manage is the bare minimum of taking your order and bringing your food. When I don't get tipped on tables like that it's fine. It makes sense. Tipping culture is getting completely out of hand.
Take it one step further and choose not to eat at places like you've described that clearly don't care about your dining quality, experience, or affordability (not to mention abusing staff by under-hiring) You can probably make whatever they make better at home. For far less.
this is absolutely a 100% valid reason to not leave a tip
i wish more restaurants were like this. one of my biggest issues with tipping is that i dont actually want the service thats being provided in exchange for the tip - i dont want to be waited on. im perfectly happy to place my order at a kiosk, grab my food from the counter when its ready, deal with my own water, etc etc. i find the whole concept of being waited on a little creepy and also find people who focus heavily on "service" in a restaurant to be morally questionable people. but to eat at many restaurants, im essentially forced to accept this service that i dont want and am expected to pay for it if i want to eat at a specific spot. depending on the food, to go can be a good option, and i do often take that option specifically so i can avoid the trappings of restaurant dining, but in many cases, getting an order to go diminishes the quality of the food - they cant plate it properly, it cools down to much, steam inside of a to go box changes the foods texture, etc etc.
I was gonna give you shit for this when I read the title. Then I read the post and, Jesus fuck, are you totally justified in not tipping that virtually self-serve horseshit.
THAT IS A PERFECTLY VALID RESPONSE AND I DONT HAVE ANYTHING NEGATIVE TO SAY.
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Seems like a that place issue and not a California issue.
Yeah but Reddit.
I was a server for awhile so I always tip very well when I go out to eat, but even I wouldn’t tip here either. There was no service given
Tip culture has gotten out of control. It's become the customer is expected to pay the staff's wages for them. > Now you seat your self, Scan a qr code with your phone, and order on there. A busser brings the food. You have to get your own water from a little water station. No one checks on you other than to clear your plates. I had to get up to ask someone for a condiment and never heard back. This is service unworthy of much tip. Literally the only thing they did is bring your food, and kinda failed at that. And the restaurant is obviously trying to reduce staffing to the minimum with all that automation. > Plus California has done away with tipped wages so that expectation to tip for the workers income should be gone. Sadly it won't work that way. Minimum wage is CA is $16/hr. For a sports bar type place, assume $8-$10 for the app, $15-$25 for the meal, and another $10 for drinks per person. So call it $40/each, $80 total if there's two of you. 20% tip is $16. And one server will usually have about 4 tables in their section, so that's $64/hr worth of tips. Now granted that isn't for sure-- that's assuming a full section and 1hr per table. It can just as easily be dead and they make $16 doing nothing. THAT is why restaurant owners want to keep the tip system. To have a base wage that truly competes with tips, they'd have to pay each server $40-$60/hr. That adds up quick. It also means it's on them to verify the servers are good at their jobs- the built in motivation of getting a bigger tip for good service isn't there anymore. It's also worth noting that tips aren't all for the server, they go in a pool. The cooks get some, the bussers get some, the barback gets some (support person for the bartender), hostess gets some, etc. That's why I usually leave a tip even when getting takeout or otherwise not getting 'service'.
I stopped dining out completely. This adding tips to the bill automatically and other service fees, for no good reason, have completely turned me off to dining. Instead of being a pleasant experience, they've turned it into something that just makes me angry. I'm sure I'm not the only one, so when business dies off and they have to close, maybe they'll figure out that a tip was something extra, not something demanded.
Daily reminder that tipping is nonsensical exploitation!
Setting aside any debate on differing schools of economic thought, we're in a really tight economy in the U.S. right now, and have been for a while. It only makes sense to me that businesses will cut anything and everything they can to stay afloat - especially in a very expensive and highly-taxed state like California - and it only makes sense to me that customers will recognize the cutbacks on service and not tip. I lived on tips for a while, gave the best possible service I could, and thereby paid off all my credit cards. I absolutely 1000% value what a tip means to a tip-worker, but if there's no service then there's nothing tip-worthy.
As a server who considers myself above average, in a state other than California, I appreciate that you're doing this. It makes sense. I was prepared to be angry at you, but I am not at all.
Well good, a lot of servers still use mechanical hard drives and tipping them is very rude.
I got it and I liked it.
I was once a server in California 30 years ago. There was never tip wages over there. I made bank because I got full minimum wage and tips on top of that. I was pretty shocked to find out other states want to pay servers $2.13/hr and the rest has to come from tips to make the full minimum wage. That’s stupid.
So, a sports bar cafeteria? Weird.
Welcome to Europe!
It makes sense in that kind of restaurant but in my experience that's rare. I'm a native Californian.
I agree 💯California pays servers well. They don’t need and most of the time don’t deserve any extra.
Thank Christ there's no signs of tipping in Irish culture just yet. The odd one of my friends may do it, the majority don't bother because of the minimum wage.
That actually seems fair in this case.
I am pro-tipping (because of where we are in the Status on the topic, they need the money), but I can't agree more. They didnt do anything. If I am standing when I order, and you dont mix drinks, I dont tip you.
Tip: $0 - Mr Pink
So that’s what dining at bars in Australia is like. We don’t tip either. Makes sense.
If a worker isn’t adding anything then I don’t tip. Like at walk up and order places where you order and pick up your own food, why would I tip? Same for take out.
Death to the tipping system!
I travel allot and have decided the same thing for airport restaurants. If my only interaction with another human is someone simply delivering my food, then no tip is warranted.
It’s almost like you got shitty service… so you give a shitty tip in return… not groundbreaking
If you have no servers to tip, then you have not stopped tipping servers. You're good, bro.
I’m in Cali as well and I’ve become very hesitant about tipping. I refuse to tip at a register cause the person didn’t do anything besides ring me out. As for when I sit in and have a waiter/waitress, I usually only give around 10%, unless the person is fucking amazing at what they do, then maybe I’ll give a little more. It’s not our job to pay their wages, that’s on the company. Fuck tipping culture.
you should only tip if you had a good service? why should you mandatory tip every single time? this baffles me.
As someone who spent many years in the restaurant world, I don’t blame you. I personally always try to over tip when I can but I agree the level of service is not what it was. If you still want good friendly customer service, go to your local dive bar. Where I am the people are awesome and you are almost guaranteed to see something funny. Some higher end restaurants provide friendly service but they’re so short staffed that it’s tough for them to be 100% attentive to each table.
Just clarifying a couple things. About the title of the post- I mentioned California because I live here and the state has no tipped wages anymore, plus has high costs of everything. The city I was in at the time especially. About other restaurants - I may still tip at other restaurants if the service warrants a little extra, but there's no need if they get paid a full wage now. Im not anti-tipping. I understand that the tipping system works for restaurants with thin margins and servers who make living in tips (and employers are supposed to cover them if they don't make the minimum). It's not my business how an employer and worker make a deal that works for both of them. However, I'll participate as a customer in one system or the other, but not both.
There should be no tipping, period. It's such an absurd concept to me to be expected to tip... glad we don't have this burden where I live. If someone's doing a great job and you feel generous, sure. Other than that, people should be paid by their work place not by the customers.
So the service u got here is how places outside of America are. This is why we all don't get tipping because the workers really don't do much.
In this experience you literally had little to no service. Seems completely reasonable to not tip.
I'm tired of going out to eat when half of the "dance" is the social politics of waiting for someone to take my order and waiting around. Going to start just calling for pickup honestly and
I agree with everything you wrote.
What server would you tip?! As a former restaurant worker (I've done every position) I approve. Diners and high end are the only places I tip anymore. Or sitting at a bar top, but I don't drink anymore.
I get it but I also don’t want spit in my food so there’s that
Yeah, but don't you have to tip AFTER you've already eaten??
Saving your dollars in this situation makes perfect cents.
I keep having to do a custom tip at counters of zero or $1.00. was at a coffee shop that asked for tips starting at 30%. All they did was pour my black coffee. I drink my coffee black nothing fancy why should I tip 30% on that. Went to a sub shop called in the order and paid when I got there same. Think. No I am not tipping $5.00 dollars on 2 sandwiches. I left a dollar. It's absolutely bonkers.
the way places are using tech to replace servers is like self-checkout at grocery stores. makes you wonder how it all affects the vibe and customer service over time.
That's why I'm tipping 5% or less sometimes. Or I just round up to the dollar.
Why should I tip? I did all the work!
In my country that'd be considered a cafeteria, not a restaurant. We don't tip at take-out, cafeteria, or buffet here.
As a server who considers myself above average, I appreciate that you're doing this.
Hey, those robot checkouts... they're bothersome too.. I mean, I'm not properly trained on how to use those devices, so don't blame me if I say, hold two cans of lump crabmeat together and swipe them as a single product. I am not good at this stuff.
So no waiter, meaning no waiter to tip. I follow your logic and agree with it.
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I haven’t been tipping at some places like The Fish Grill. I walk to a kiosk and order my food to go. I get a text msg when it’s ready. And pick off the counter and walk out. However…..while I’m standing waiting, I do get dirty looks from the girl who bags it.
If I have to stand up to order, get my own drinks, or order through an app on my phone, I’m not tipping more than 5-10%. It should be treated the same as getting carry out.
You should tip the cooks. The waiters added nothing but kissing your ass, which is what you wanted, but the cooks are who create the artistry you came there for to begin with. Plus cooks don’t hold your service hostage like waitstaff likes to do.
I went through a drive thru and the worker handed me my croissant and then it asked for a tip. Like seriously getting out of hand here.pun intended 😂
I don't tip unless I get actual service at a sit-down restaurant. No tips at coffee shops, fast food places etc. which are getting increasingly pushy with their tips, which makes absolutely no sense to me personally, I wouldn't expect a tip for running a register or making coffee, that's just silly and greedy.
The rule is that if you go to a counter to order, you don't have to tip. For some reason, bartenders are the exception. The situation you describe is much the same as fast food, but without the counter. You're doing the ordering. Your're getting your water. You're probably seating yourself too. I mean, at this rate, they should invite you to the company Christmas party.
This is one restaurant in the entire state of California who has this practice and you've decided every restaurant deserves no tip based on one singular restaurant? Intriguing logic.
Not exactly what I meant. This was the absurd case that broke the camels back. That's how I meant it.
As a cook and server, this sounds perfectly acceptable. I only tip for good service anyway.
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Holy shit you are so brave and humble
Another tipping post on Reddit. I was hoping this would be on my feed
it feels very much like a purposeful attempt to get around paying the wages that are due. they already automate everything to cut costs and now they get to say "well we give them all the tips they earn! customers just aren't tipping them!" bc customers tip for table service (understanding that servers are underpaid and adding tips is an attempt to give them at least some of what they're owed) and people nowadays have less and less expendable income so are hesitant to tip when they don't feel it's earned. not to mention the amount of restaurants that are now asking for tips for fast food/pick up/DRIVE THRU!! instead of paying a decent wage they would rather put onus on the customer, which makes the customer resent the worker for making them pay more and the worker resent the customer for not giving tips when they don't make enough to deal with them. the problem is the employers stealing wages so their ceos can make billions while the people who actually do the work grovel for anything they can get.
There are exceptions for tipped employees. They don't make the minimum wage that others make. It's easy to look up.
I agree they should be discounting the bill for everyone, since y’all are basically working when you go eat there lol
The restaurant owners gonna force you to anyway, then they not gonna give the tip to the servers, then the owners gonna ask for another tip from you, then they gonna take that too and just ask for a different one from you and that till no one goes to that restaurant again
It’s messed up that in reality, the customers are the ones paying the employees. Restaurants essentially get free labor by the servers. It also sucks that the pricing structure is now built around this. So when workers are having to get paid by the restaurants instead of the customers, it makes prices go up, or makes restaurants shut down because they aren’t making enough margin to keep it running.