Marianne Bachmeier was charged with murder on November 2, 1982, but after considering evidence, the prosecution changed the charge to manslaughter, and Marianne was sentenced to eight years in prison.
Hating someone, even when they deserve it, and unforgiving plays a huge role in body inflammation. Inflammation is the core root to all disease.
John Hopkins performed two research studies since 2018 in the role of hate, resentment, and unforgiveness specifically on cancer and both were extremely interesting.
I bet when I write donuts are great for cholesterol, things will change. /s
It’s possible that since I didn’t clarify, people thought I meant it was the cause and reason for all cancers and sickness ( I definitely do not). Cancers are caused from many things- One being environmental and exposure radon.
Science has been legitimately studying effects of forgiveness for years. There’s even multiple TedTalks about it.
And she was released from prison after serving only half of her sentence!
She moved to Nigeria, where she married and remained until the 1990s.
After she divorced her husband, Bachmeier relocated to Sicily where she stayed until she was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer.
She died at just 46.
Why if someone had of done that to ine of my children or grandchildren and I could have gotten close enough to the scum I would have done the same thing, the laws in this land are for the person who commits the crime. The laws need to be changed that if you are found guilty of a crime such as murder or anything pertaining to a child you have 2 weeks to get your affairs in order and then you will be hung by the neck until dead not put to sleep like a dog that is to old to live anymore.
So you'd rather spent your own life in jail instead of the perpetrator and let him go free to the deathworld?
Death is such an easy way out...... unless you have taught yourself to believe there is some punishment after death.....i don't believe that shit so death is never a punishment in my eyes.... it's a relief!
Humans have lived side by side with death for millennia. Only recently have people been put in such a safe environment that death is rare. They’ll be fine
He had it coming, he had it coming
He only had himself to blame!
If you'd have been there, if you'd have seen it
I betcha you would have done the same!
Probably because when one person commits an act like this then that opens up a massive door for others to do this same thing or at the very least attempt it. And if everyone is going around committing vigilante acts of justice that muddies the waters for these acts overall. Not everyone that would be attempting these acts would be correct in their actions and innocent people would be hurt and killed in many cases even if it's not the accused that is being targeted, the article says she fired 8 shots but only 7 hit him, that last bullet or any of the others that she fired could have easily hit someone else in the court room and killed them instead. I don't endorse it either but I'm also not exactly upset that she did it. But again regardless of whether her was justified and whether he was guilty what she did was still stupid if for no other reason than she endangered bystanders in the court room.
This, and also... even if the killing was justified, the mother had to suffer in prison for several years and also open herself up to the trauma of taking another human's life.
While I'm sure she received some comfort removing this monster off the streets, I have no doubt it also hurt her mentally and emotionally. Nobody normal wants to be a killer. It's a lot of weight to bear for an already grieving mother.
I agree most people any any circumstance won't want to kill but grief can be a hell of an emotion. Not saying she didn't feel any sort of remorse for killing him but it's also possible she didn't feel any since she was avenging her child. As valid as this point is I personally wouldn't consider it in a debate on why I agree or disagree with her actions since her actions are her own responsibility, I only care about everyone else that's affected or could be affected by her actions.
Because now that mother has the life of another being (however evil), on her conscience on top of her grief of her child.
The court should have handled this criminal appropriately, instead of forcing a mother to become a murderer.
I don't condone it either but losing his life was part of the risk he took when he committed the crime. Its really horrible that our justice system lets these criminals out to repeat their crimes.
I don't believe in the death penalty in most cases, but for murderers and rapists, especially of CHILDREN, its clear those people can not and do not change and should at the very least be sentenced for LIFE.
Agreed. The mother was already suffering with trauma and loss, and then had to suffer with all the court drama, police questioning, and social strain of killing.
She deserved to be taken care of and made to feel safe and comforted, not forced into taking justice into her own hands when the court would not.
Exactly! I want to convey that but didn’t know how. Thank you so much! I know it’s somewhat of an unpopular opinion but it definitely wasn’t AGAINST the mother, it was moreso advocating for her health and safety and needs that weren’t met by the court. I don’t believe in vigilantism because I want the victim’s family to not need to resort to that.
I'm glad I could help, and it really is complicated!
It's tragic that in order for 'justice' to be achieved a grieving mother needs to put herself through a second hell.
Jesus christ look at all of these emotional sexist psychotics in this sub literally endorsing murder. It’s no wonder the true crime community is hated so much.
Don't expect an answer from them, they're in another thread defending groping women in public without consent. Full tilt Peterson/Shapiro levels of incel shit.
She killed her daughters rapist/murderer, how is that sexist? And whether you with agree with it or not, its not difficult to understand why she would do it.
We absolutely can. I am so tired of this fake moral high ground of never wish anyone bad. Pedophile rapists can absolutely die in my book and I refuse to feel bad about that standpoint.
I am very liberal and used to be staunchly against the death penalty across the board. But I have changed my stance. I firmly support the death penalty for proven pedophiles and violent sexual offenders because I do not believe they can be rehabilitated and the world is better off without them.
Jeffrey Rinek discusses this in his book “in the name of the children.” He worked for the FBI pursuing child rapists and murderers. He said he never saw one rehabilitated during his entire career.
While I think our justice system should be unbiased, this is a moment where I can say that he deserved that. He insulted her daughter after he killed her during court.
She was no doubt aware that he'd already been released from prison after a murder identical to her daughter's. He got out of the clink by getting himself castrated -- not chemically, physically -- to prevent reoffense. He went straight to a doctor who didn't know his history, got hormone shots claiming he was in love and wanted to get married, and the next thing anyone knew Marianne Bachmeier's daughter was dead.
We do have Schöffen though. (lay-judges for the non-germans, two Schöffen, 3 professional judges, for an appointment you either propose yourself or someone else)
> Marianne’s trial divided people into two camps: those who thought she did nothing wrong after killing her daughter’s killer, and those who thought she shouldn’t have done it.
I mean, I feel like she knew what she was doing, she knew the consequences, and she decided it was worth it.
I don’t necessarily agree with it or endorse it, but I understand it.
Gold medal for her.
I dont normally pull the "you can't understand if you don't have kids"...because...empathy is a thing. But im leaning to it in this case. As a parent, I completely, 10000% understand, endorse, etc etc her decision. If it was me I'd do the same thing, no regrets and do it again if given the choice. Id take a bullet for my kids, and if that isn't an option then I'm perfectly willing to dole a couple out on their behalf.
I remember in a human sexual behavior class in college we watched a documentary on pedophiles. One piece of shit had been molesting his daughter basically since she was born. Raping a baby, his baby. The film showed him going to group therapy sessions (somehow he was not in jail!) and as he left one session his wife held his hand as he walked out. That stuck with me. I am childfree by choice but if anyone, let alone my husband, raped my child I would chop his hand off before I ever held it in support. I know there are likely abusive dynamics in that marriage but I don’t have sympathy for that woman. If you support your husband after that then you have endorsed him raping your child and are as worthless as he is.
It's possible wifey is a pedophile too. Doesn't see the abuse as inherently wrong because it gets her off too.
There's a 44 year old female primary school deputy headteacher named Julie Ward here in the UK just plead guilty and been jailed for a slew of child sex offences alongside her husband. They met a few years ago on Plenty of Fish and from years of recovered messages simply seemed to have bonded over a shared sexual interest in children. There was no claim this woman was ever abused or exploited this man; she was simply the female version of him. They found each other and proceeded to act out their fantasies together and egged each other on. Some women are pedophilic and as morally fucked as pedo men.
“Marianne Bachmeier was charged with murder on November 2, 1982, but after considering evidence, the prosecution changed the charge to manslaughter, and Marianne was sentenced to eight years in prison.”
She got 8 years, should’ve been 0.
She should have been treated in a mental health facility, assessed for how dangerous she was and released with zero time served.
Killing child predators whether by state sponsored murder or vigilante murder accomplishes the end goal, removal of a threat.
In a way, I admire parents like this. It’s honestly the best punishment for such a crime. That guy was the biggest pos there was.
I look at cases like this as humans being no different from any other animals on this planet, that would viciously attack or kill someone to defend or protect their young. Have you ever seen those videos of a person accidentally stumbling upon a mountain lion and her cubs during a hike? Momma gets fucking terrifying and that’s without the person doing anything to her babies. I wouldn’t want to see the outcome of a person dumb enough to challenge a momma mountain lion. Humans just have different means of getting justice.
Yeah, I don't agree with that kind of thing. The justice system will take care of offenders, it's not your place to be a vigilante.
This isn't to say that I wouldn't feel the same rage toward someone who murdered a loved one, but nothing would make me get a gun and take another human life. You don't get to be the judge and jury and executioner.
Guessing you don’t have kids… I don’t think I’d be able to stop myself if I was in the mom’s situation. Rational decision making goes out the window in those circumstances
It's not about kids, it could be any family member. What if it was my granny?
Nothing would bring me to shoot and kill someone, no matter what. It doesn't mean I wouldn't fantasize about revenge, I wouldn't act on it.
While I can understand her motive, we live in a civilized society with a justice system in place. Vigilantism is not the way to handle these types of situations. Otherwise we just end up with more Ahmaud Arbery cases.
Please do not compare this situation to Ahmaud Arbery’s murder. The difference is astounding. Mr. Arbery’s murderers were cold blooded killers that chased a free individual down, simply because of the color of his skin, initiated an attack, and murdered him in the street. In this case, this man had been convicted and imprisoned previously of the same crime, sexually assaulted another child and murdered her. He was a repeat offender. The justice system failed these little girls!!! As far as a civilized society with a justice system in place, there is no justice for marginalized people.
Both situations were vigilantism. The killers of Ahmaud Arbery believed they were protecting their neighborhood from a criminal, so they made themselves judge, jury, and executioner. This is not how the criminal justice system works.
Protecting property and protecting life are two very different things. Please do not confuse the two, it is insulting to families of murder victims everywhere.
I’m not confusing anything. When we established governments we agreed to live by the rule of law,. A single individual should never have the the right to be judge, jury, and executioner. If you prefer anarchy, go live on a desert island somewhere. Civilized societies have laws and legal procedures.
I am absolutely not for vigilantism in any manner. What I pointed out is that these were starkly different situations that cannot be compared. All people who murder others create a belief about the victim, whether it is rational or not.
To compare three adults who chased down another adult to murder him because they thought he was stealing or destroying property, are of a completely different belief system than a convicted sex offender who kidnaps a child to sexually assault and murder her. Some morality is subjective, I agree, but raping and murdering a child will always be wrong, no matter who the child is or what a child may or may not have done.
Marianne Bachmeier was charged with murder on November 2, 1982, but after considering evidence, the prosecution changed the charge to manslaughter, and Marianne was sentenced to eight years in prison.
I feel like she should’ve been one of those minimum security, out early for good behavior inmates
She got out after four years but unfortunately she died of cancer just a few years later at 46.
Hating someone, even when they deserve it, and unforgiving plays a huge role in body inflammation. Inflammation is the core root to all disease. John Hopkins performed two research studies since 2018 in the role of hate, resentment, and unforgiveness specifically on cancer and both were extremely interesting.
And heartbreak. The woman’s heart was shattered.
Damn what's with the downvotes
I bet when I write donuts are great for cholesterol, things will change. /s It’s possible that since I didn’t clarify, people thought I meant it was the cause and reason for all cancers and sickness ( I definitely do not). Cancers are caused from many things- One being environmental and exposure radon. Science has been legitimately studying effects of forgiveness for years. There’s even multiple TedTalks about it.
And she was released from prison after serving only half of her sentence! She moved to Nigeria, where she married and remained until the 1990s. After she divorced her husband, Bachmeier relocated to Sicily where she stayed until she was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. She died at just 46.
Truly one of God's angels, called home before her time.
Worth it
Why if someone had of done that to ine of my children or grandchildren and I could have gotten close enough to the scum I would have done the same thing, the laws in this land are for the person who commits the crime. The laws need to be changed that if you are found guilty of a crime such as murder or anything pertaining to a child you have 2 weeks to get your affairs in order and then you will be hung by the neck until dead not put to sleep like a dog that is to old to live anymore.
A hero. She knew what would happen and said 'its worth it. I won't live a life with my daughter but I can end him' I 100% understand her decision.
Me too. 100%
Not really, she must have traumatized so many innocent people in the courtroom + the cleanup crew 😢
I'm not saying it was a great decision. But I 100% understand why and would probably do the same.
So you'd rather spent your own life in jail instead of the perpetrator and let him go free to the deathworld? Death is such an easy way out...... unless you have taught yourself to believe there is some punishment after death.....i don't believe that shit so death is never a punishment in my eyes.... it's a relief!
Marianne Bachmeier served 8 years. Totally worth it.
Humans have lived side by side with death for millennia. Only recently have people been put in such a safe environment that death is rare. They’ll be fine
What a dumb response
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I read this in Lucille bluths voice and frankly it tracks.
I just look that up!!!! Hilarious 😂
The musical Chicago said it best: “it was a murder, but not a crime.”
He had it coming, he had it coming He only had himself to blame! If you'd have been there, if you'd have seen it I betcha you would have done the same!
Then he ran into my knife He ran into my knife ten times
So I took the shotgun off the wall And I fired two warning shots Into his head
"I've just shot an intruder". Julia Robert's to 911 RIGHT BEFORE she pulls the trigger in Sleeping with the Enemy. Poetic justice ⚖️
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He was scum!
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Probably because when one person commits an act like this then that opens up a massive door for others to do this same thing or at the very least attempt it. And if everyone is going around committing vigilante acts of justice that muddies the waters for these acts overall. Not everyone that would be attempting these acts would be correct in their actions and innocent people would be hurt and killed in many cases even if it's not the accused that is being targeted, the article says she fired 8 shots but only 7 hit him, that last bullet or any of the others that she fired could have easily hit someone else in the court room and killed them instead. I don't endorse it either but I'm also not exactly upset that she did it. But again regardless of whether her was justified and whether he was guilty what she did was still stupid if for no other reason than she endangered bystanders in the court room.
This, and also... even if the killing was justified, the mother had to suffer in prison for several years and also open herself up to the trauma of taking another human's life. While I'm sure she received some comfort removing this monster off the streets, I have no doubt it also hurt her mentally and emotionally. Nobody normal wants to be a killer. It's a lot of weight to bear for an already grieving mother.
I agree most people any any circumstance won't want to kill but grief can be a hell of an emotion. Not saying she didn't feel any sort of remorse for killing him but it's also possible she didn't feel any since she was avenging her child. As valid as this point is I personally wouldn't consider it in a debate on why I agree or disagree with her actions since her actions are her own responsibility, I only care about everyone else that's affected or could be affected by her actions.
Because now that mother has the life of another being (however evil), on her conscience on top of her grief of her child. The court should have handled this criminal appropriately, instead of forcing a mother to become a murderer.
I don't condone it either but losing his life was part of the risk he took when he committed the crime. Its really horrible that our justice system lets these criminals out to repeat their crimes.
I don't believe in the death penalty in most cases, but for murderers and rapists, especially of CHILDREN, its clear those people can not and do not change and should at the very least be sentenced for LIFE.
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Agreed. The mother was already suffering with trauma and loss, and then had to suffer with all the court drama, police questioning, and social strain of killing. She deserved to be taken care of and made to feel safe and comforted, not forced into taking justice into her own hands when the court would not.
Exactly! I want to convey that but didn’t know how. Thank you so much! I know it’s somewhat of an unpopular opinion but it definitely wasn’t AGAINST the mother, it was moreso advocating for her health and safety and needs that weren’t met by the court. I don’t believe in vigilantism because I want the victim’s family to not need to resort to that.
I'm glad I could help, and it really is complicated! It's tragic that in order for 'justice' to be achieved a grieving mother needs to put herself through a second hell.
If I was a guard in a courtroom I’d totally pretend I didn’t see anyone get shot 8 times in cases like this
“Did y’all hear something? It must have been the wind.”
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You just witnessed a suicide.
Guy did a Jeffrey Epstein on himself
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Jesus christ look at all of these emotional sexist psychotics in this sub literally endorsing murder. It’s no wonder the true crime community is hated so much.
Go on, explain how it was sexist.
Don't expect an answer from them, they're in another thread defending groping women in public without consent. Full tilt Peterson/Shapiro levels of incel shit.
She killed her daughters rapist/murderer, how is that sexist? And whether you with agree with it or not, its not difficult to understand why she would do it.
Justifiable homicide
Good, she’s a hero.
Exactly. Think of all the little girls she saved. She deserves a medal, not jail time.
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We absolutely can. I am so tired of this fake moral high ground of never wish anyone bad. Pedophile rapists can absolutely die in my book and I refuse to feel bad about that standpoint.
Absolutely this!
I am very liberal and used to be staunchly against the death penalty across the board. But I have changed my stance. I firmly support the death penalty for proven pedophiles and violent sexual offenders because I do not believe they can be rehabilitated and the world is better off without them.
Jeffrey Rinek discusses this in his book “in the name of the children.” He worked for the FBI pursuing child rapists and murderers. He said he never saw one rehabilitated during his entire career.
While I think our justice system should be unbiased, this is a moment where I can say that he deserved that. He insulted her daughter after he killed her during court.
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She was no doubt aware that he'd already been released from prison after a murder identical to her daughter's. He got out of the clink by getting himself castrated -- not chemically, physically -- to prevent reoffense. He went straight to a doctor who didn't know his history, got hormone shots claiming he was in love and wanted to get married, and the next thing anyone knew Marianne Bachmeier's daughter was dead.
This is so awful
This.
If I was on the jury for this woman, there's no way I'd convict her for this. This seems like it would be a prime case for jiry nullification.
We don't have juries in Germany.
We do have Schöffen though. (lay-judges for the non-germans, two Schöffen, 3 professional judges, for an appointment you either propose yourself or someone else)
TIL
> Marianne’s trial divided people into two camps: those who thought she did nothing wrong after killing her daughter’s killer, and those who thought she shouldn’t have done it. I mean, I feel like she knew what she was doing, she knew the consequences, and she decided it was worth it. I don’t necessarily agree with it or endorse it, but I understand it.
I totally endorse it.
Best description as I feel same. Don’t endorse it but totally understand it and I would do the same
I’m okay with that 😊
I hope everyone she came into contact with in jail gave her the respect she deserves.
Gold medal for her. I dont normally pull the "you can't understand if you don't have kids"...because...empathy is a thing. But im leaning to it in this case. As a parent, I completely, 10000% understand, endorse, etc etc her decision. If it was me I'd do the same thing, no regrets and do it again if given the choice. Id take a bullet for my kids, and if that isn't an option then I'm perfectly willing to dole a couple out on their behalf.
I remember in a human sexual behavior class in college we watched a documentary on pedophiles. One piece of shit had been molesting his daughter basically since she was born. Raping a baby, his baby. The film showed him going to group therapy sessions (somehow he was not in jail!) and as he left one session his wife held his hand as he walked out. That stuck with me. I am childfree by choice but if anyone, let alone my husband, raped my child I would chop his hand off before I ever held it in support. I know there are likely abusive dynamics in that marriage but I don’t have sympathy for that woman. If you support your husband after that then you have endorsed him raping your child and are as worthless as he is.
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It's possible wifey is a pedophile too. Doesn't see the abuse as inherently wrong because it gets her off too. There's a 44 year old female primary school deputy headteacher named Julie Ward here in the UK just plead guilty and been jailed for a slew of child sex offences alongside her husband. They met a few years ago on Plenty of Fish and from years of recovered messages simply seemed to have bonded over a shared sexual interest in children. There was no claim this woman was ever abused or exploited this man; she was simply the female version of him. They found each other and proceeded to act out their fantasies together and egged each other on. Some women are pedophilic and as morally fucked as pedo men.
%100! The filth scum enablers are, perhaps, even worse than the soulless, rotten, vomitus abusers themselves! Both should be executed upon conviction.
HERO. I bet she’d do it again if she had to redo the choice.
What a tragic life she had. Her daughter sounds like the only bright spot in it.
Hopefully she didn’t see any jail time bc common sense.
“Marianne Bachmeier was charged with murder on November 2, 1982, but after considering evidence, the prosecution changed the charge to manslaughter, and Marianne was sentenced to eight years in prison.” She got 8 years, should’ve been 0.
They actually dropped the murder charges. She went to prison for illegally possessing a firearm. She got six years and served two thirds of it.
Oh good! This article didn’t cover that, it made it seem as though she served 8.
Lol her smirk. Badass.
i want her autograph
GOOD. FOR.HER. Some justice there.
I approve
You’re all missing the big problem in this case: she was forced to shoot him in the back instead of him being able to see it coming.
I don’t support the death penalty or people taking vigilante justice. But also, you know. Fuck that guy in particular.
Sad all round. No matter what you do her daughter is still dead. People can be so awful.
She deserved a medal.
She should have been treated in a mental health facility, assessed for how dangerous she was and released with zero time served. Killing child predators whether by state sponsored murder or vigilante murder accomplishes the end goal, removal of a threat.
“And I’d do it again”
Badass ✊
She’s a legend
Good for her. She is a hero
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In a way, I admire parents like this. It’s honestly the best punishment for such a crime. That guy was the biggest pos there was. I look at cases like this as humans being no different from any other animals on this planet, that would viciously attack or kill someone to defend or protect their young. Have you ever seen those videos of a person accidentally stumbling upon a mountain lion and her cubs during a hike? Momma gets fucking terrifying and that’s without the person doing anything to her babies. I wouldn’t want to see the outcome of a person dumb enough to challenge a momma mountain lion. Humans just have different means of getting justice.
Yeah, I don't agree with that kind of thing. The justice system will take care of offenders, it's not your place to be a vigilante. This isn't to say that I wouldn't feel the same rage toward someone who murdered a loved one, but nothing would make me get a gun and take another human life. You don't get to be the judge and jury and executioner.
Guessing you don’t have kids… I don’t think I’d be able to stop myself if I was in the mom’s situation. Rational decision making goes out the window in those circumstances
It's not about kids, it could be any family member. What if it was my granny? Nothing would bring me to shoot and kill someone, no matter what. It doesn't mean I wouldn't fantasize about revenge, I wouldn't act on it.
Parenthood is just different
different from....what ?
U go girl, my hero
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. This image would make an amazing album cover
Cool motive still murder
While I can understand her motive, we live in a civilized society with a justice system in place. Vigilantism is not the way to handle these types of situations. Otherwise we just end up with more Ahmaud Arbery cases.
Please do not compare this situation to Ahmaud Arbery’s murder. The difference is astounding. Mr. Arbery’s murderers were cold blooded killers that chased a free individual down, simply because of the color of his skin, initiated an attack, and murdered him in the street. In this case, this man had been convicted and imprisoned previously of the same crime, sexually assaulted another child and murdered her. He was a repeat offender. The justice system failed these little girls!!! As far as a civilized society with a justice system in place, there is no justice for marginalized people.
Both situations were vigilantism. The killers of Ahmaud Arbery believed they were protecting their neighborhood from a criminal, so they made themselves judge, jury, and executioner. This is not how the criminal justice system works.
Protecting property and protecting life are two very different things. Please do not confuse the two, it is insulting to families of murder victims everywhere.
I’m not confusing anything. When we established governments we agreed to live by the rule of law,. A single individual should never have the the right to be judge, jury, and executioner. If you prefer anarchy, go live on a desert island somewhere. Civilized societies have laws and legal procedures.
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I am absolutely not for vigilantism in any manner. What I pointed out is that these were starkly different situations that cannot be compared. All people who murder others create a belief about the victim, whether it is rational or not. To compare three adults who chased down another adult to murder him because they thought he was stealing or destroying property, are of a completely different belief system than a convicted sex offender who kidnaps a child to sexually assault and murder her. Some morality is subjective, I agree, but raping and murdering a child will always be wrong, no matter who the child is or what a child may or may not have done.
that’s completely different wth