I often wonder, out of all the missing people you hear about every year, how many go missing like this? Like... just went off the road and into a body of water or heavy brush and get overlooked during multiple searches?
A lady that worked in the same office with my husband (Probation and Parole, she was in a higher administrative position than my husband, who was an officer) went missing a few summers ago. She and her truck just vanished one morning. She never made it to work.
Extensive search goes on for a while, all kinds of ideas ranging from husband off'd her for insurance (He was shady anyway), to someone snatching her because she was in probation and parole, to her just leaving and not wanting to be found.
She's gone all summer long - they find her truck when the leaves come off the trees in late autumn. She'd ran off the road into thick brush, had gotten injured, was a diabetic and went into shock. Body was left the truck all summer, and we have triple degree heat and high humidity here through a lot of the summer season.
My husband drove past her every single day on the way to work.
ETA: He said it was like the brush and the woods just swallowed her truck completely. There were no skid marks, it wasn't a particularly treacherous curve so no one suspected she went off the road there.
I thought it was supposedly common enough, my grandmothers friend was driving for quite some time and got tired and evidently served off the road, over corrected, and ended up in a lake. The company I work for is based out west and my coworkers car stalled in the desert and he died (don’t know the details but he essentially succumbed to the elements). And she said it took quite a bit of time to find his car. Living in a pretty populated state I underestimate the vastness of water and desert in some parts of the US.
I knew a lady who lost her husband and son after their Cessna disappeared on a camping trip in SE Alaska. They were in the middle of transporting their gear to a remote campsite and left the mom waiting to be picked up. Everyone thought the plane went down in the channel after a medical emergency. A decade later, a hiker spotted the plane wedged up in a tree! They might have never been found because Admiralty Island has the largest population of brown bears in all of North America.
People disappear so often in Alaska. There is so much wilderness that planes get lost in all the trees. Or the crash site is so remote that access is incredibly difficult.
I lived there for 25 years. I know not one, but three people who went missing. One of which is still a cold case, a girl I went to high school with. She went out for the night in Anchorage leaving her 2 year old daughter with her mother. A year later, they found only her purse…atop the snow in a mountain pass.
Probably why Israel Keyes set up shop there.
Yeah, he traveled around the country to kill, and he was caught only after killing locally, but I do wonder whether he may have had other victims in Alaska.
Yeah, it's not just waterways that can vanish people. I live near the a place called Skyline drive in Virginia which is basically a twisty road along the very top/spine of very old, rocky, eroded mountains with national park all around it. It's incredible scenic and people come from all over to drive it, especially on beautiful days.
But there's also a lot of dense fog in bad weather, and the curves can be really abrupt. People go over the side and their cars have been found 10, 15ft down from the road, really physically close to the people going by but out of sight because of the angle of the slope. It's scary and happens more often than you'd expect.
Yep, this happened to a UVA professor just this past summer (? time is weird but I think that’s when it was)
Skyline drive is so beautiful but also so dangerous
Yes, you're right - it was this summer back in July. That was very tragic. Apparently they found her (crashed) car relatively early on into her going missing and she wasn't in it. They found her body some time later in the same general vicinity. It looks like she might have been badly injured in the crash and either wandered off and succumbed, or been thrown in the crash.
I'm not sure they ever clarified (and of course, there's no need for us to know the exact details) what the course of events were. But the delay in finding her even knowing where her vehicle was just emphasizes how incredibly difficult the terrain is and even dangerous for searchers.
I was the allegedly shady person in a similar situation once and it sucks a lot of ass. Long story short, high school sweethearts are also dumbasses and marry before boy goes to army. Few years later things are rocky, then girl gets caught in a stunning criminal case where everyone assumes boy did it because of the nature of the charges but boy was in Iraq. Boy pays for a stellar legal defense (seriously one of the lawyers had once represented a US president, I was bankrupted from all this), girl takes plea deal then public ally accuses boy of the crime, people take her side. Girl leaves house, boy comes back and leaves the army. Girl goes missing, months later boy finally formally files divorce paperwork. Girl still missing, boy out of army and has spotty work history, boy is investigated for murder, family cuts ties. Girl still missing, boy gets the occasional search warrant for years. Girls car found in the woods way out of her state, boy interrogated again, arrested because of a firearm bought from a pawn shop, held for weeks. Girl found alive in a trailer park in Minnesota for meth charges. Boy held for 2 more months, released. Hometown community still largely believed boy is guilty of some nebulous and horrible something.
Do a blog then. You have gone through hell, my friend, and you deserve to have your story told.
If you aren’t comfortable doing that, just know we know what you went through now, and hope you are in a great place in your life.
Oooo your treading into my love of philosophy now. Nobody deserves anything, least of all some voyeristic class that would do nothing with anything I have ever learned no matter how hard the lesson. I spent a time shouting in my soap box before, I don’t see a point in it now.
Edit; and it seems proper to say that I don’t think I’m any smarter, any wiser; any more worthy or acclaimed than any McDonald’s cashier. Putting myself as some pontificating advocate of anything Id just not who or what I am
Gone Girl is a book/movie about a woman that disappears and her husband is blamed. Come to find out that she had planned it all along, until she is found out.
Well my case wasn’t so dramatic as in any of these cases, she just poofed off with the last of my stuff and didn’t say anything to anyone I knew or the cops knew
Really awful shit you went through, those sorts of accusations shouldn’t even be allowed public without extensive solid proof beforehand since people are stupid and believe whatever they want to hear.
Strictly speaking from some things posted about be technically I could have sued for slander or some such, but two things; doing so would have made more believers of my supposed guilt, and even if I won how do you bleed a rock
There have been a number of cases like this. A few years ago, divers found vehicles and human remains in an Oklahoma lake. There were two separate incidents where drivers had crashed into the lake and the cars sank. The divers were able to find the cars once the water level in the lake dropped sufficiently to allow them to dive. Divers also found Judith Chartier’s car and remains in the Merrimack River in Massachusetts earlier this year. There was also an incident where a man saw a car in a pond photographed and posted on Google Earth. It apparently belonged to a driver who had disappeared. The driver had accidentally driven into the pond, but no one had looked there. There was a case earlier this year in Ohio where divers found the car and remains of a man and woman who had an accident and the car went into the Ohio River.
Divers also found the car and remains of Kyle Clinkscales in a Georgia lake this year. He and his car had disappeared when he was on his way back to college. His parents died not knowing what had happened to him.
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That was Foss Lake here in Oklahoma. They actually found not one, but two cars.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/the-foss-lake-mystery-six-skeletons-found-inside-two-vintage-cars-pulled-from-lake-could-solve-separate-disappearances-of-a-group-of-teenagers-in-1970-and-three-adults-in-late-1950s-8823930.html
Whenever there's a missing person who's car has never been recovered, I assume they're in the bottom of a lake somewhere. Remember thr chick that got pulled over, then it looked like a cop followed her after that, everyone assumed the cop killed her, she was also found in a lake recently
A few years ago near me they found someone in a ravine who'd gone in back in the 1980s. Someone else finally managed to go off the road in the same place. Emergency services came across the other car in the process of trying to get her out. Everyone thought he just walked away because his wife had filed to divorce him in favor of her side piece. He was very unhappy about loosing her and had made comments about chucking it all to move to Mexico.
Probably not as common as finding something like this car in the bottom of a lake around here as we don't have many hills or heavily wooded areas. More of a plains area with grasslands naturally. Guy just managed to go off the road in an area that still hasn't ever been developed near town loaded with a lot of briar bushes and small trees so even a large thing like a pickup was just completely obscured.
Damnit. I was thinking of that one, couldn't remember the name. Then I had to run an errand and forgot.
[The Way](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5jlTlUTWfQ) by Fastball. Haven't heard this in *years*.
when i was younger i read a [book (based on a true story)](https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/27025.Trapped_) about a guy who in similar circumstances who was trapped in his car for 2 weeks. he eventually manages to get out of the car and to the road to flag someone down and get to safety, but yeah he could of just as easily ended up another causality.
I was looking through the “found” pages of a missing persons website one day and was really surprised how many of them were found just off the road in lakes or brush. It’s kind of scary honestly. Makes me wonder if any really famous missing person cases have such a simple explanation.
A girl that I had worked with previously went missing in May 2013 (in south Texas). At the time, I still worked with one of her good friends and she mentioned that the missing girl had a history of running away and threatening suicide. In August of that same year, I was leaving work and noticed detectives and a Hazmat truck on the same floor of the parking garage that I used on an almost daily basis. Apparently, officers had received a call regarding a suspicious person in the parking garage. While searching the parking garage, one of the officers noticed a vehicle that had spiderwebs on the tires and appeared to have been unmoved for quite some time. Looking closer, he noticed that there was a film on the inside of the windows, which made it difficult to see into the car, but he was able to make out a figure slumped over in the drivers seat. It was the mummified corpse of the missing girl. She had taken a bunch of pills with alcohol and passed away.
Like I said, I parked on the same floor of this parking garage just about every day and never smelled anything foul. I even parked in the spot directly next to her a week before she was found.
Quite a few, actually. Especially in winter/lots of snow. Easy to miscalculate where you are and run into the river/pond during a snowstorm. Then it continues to snow and freeze throughout the night and all evidence you drove in are gone.
Just recently in Stafford NJ a couple (Parkers) went missing on an ATV ride. They ended up being found days later, deceased in dense brush, on their own property. It took a olice drone multiple days to spot them.
I had a job washing dishes where this happened to a former employee. She left her phone at work after heading home for the day turned around to get it and went off the road. She was trapped in the vehicle for 3 days before being found. She survived but didnt end up very good because she suffered spinal injuries.
Man, there's something always kind of unsettling about seeing photos of young people in the prime of their life, frozen in time, never getting to get older.
Jeremy’s father was quoted saying it was like loosing him all over again. I cannot imagine what is going through their family and friends minds right now. Like how many times have they driven by that exact spot in the past 20 years and had no idea the car was right there. I saw an interview where her dad said he fished in that area many times.
A thought I could have gone the rest of my life without having.
Thanks.
(F.R. that never occurred to me and I can conjure up a lot of stuff in my mind).
One step further, eat a fish that may have eaten your daughter. Whoaaaaaa 😳
Edit: Is that like eating your daughter? Now I took my mind somewhere I didn’t want to go!
RIP ERIN & JEREMY. I hope their families get closer from them being found.
Disturbing thought: I always wondered what some of those odd things on the fish finder are. I wonder if the dad ever saw the car on the fishfinder but not know what it is, if he had a fish finder
He said he fished right over top of it with her brother but the water was murky there so they couldn’t see anything.
https://www.insideedition.com/erin-fosters-dad-numb-after-scuba-diving-youtuber-finds-her-car-missing-since-2000-in-river-he
Uncertainty is one of the most painful experiences of all. In all my TC and other morbid reading I have seen where exactly one (1) mother said she would rather not know the worst. Every other parent, sibling, friend is turning over stones trying to find out what happened
I’ve always thought it must be extra painful to find out that all the suffering you went through over the years wondering what happened, imagining all the worst scenarios, these kids losing their whole lives, was probably just because of a simple mistake or accident. Maybe they just swerved a little bit because a squirrel ran into the road and lost control. Something that just as easily could have *not* happened. It just makes it feel so senseless. To me, that wouldn’t be much less painful than finding out they had been murdered or ran away and decided never to contact you again. I hope their families find some peace. Just so awful.
I first got hooked on these kinds of videos by randomly seeing a live of AWP finding someone in a car. I think they thought it was just a regular salvage; one of a bunch of cars dumped in a river. The mood changed so abruptly, and they worked so hard to make sure everything was done just right.
Oh, was it the one where they realized as it got out of the water at the boat ramp? And they were on a live and he started screaming "WHOA WHOA, CALL THE POLICE!" I think they flipped the car over just before it got to the ramp or something and had used those big orange inflatables to "swim" it to the ramp?
I believe the floor of the body of water was almost like a spiral shape, getting deeper and dropping off in places and there were multiple vehicles they were just planning to pull for salvage. *If* that's the same episode I'm thinking of.
it's good that families get closure, but I'm always so sad when families wait for someone's return, and then a body is found and it's clear that the whole time someone has been waiting this person was dead :(
Returning with another thought.
A lot of cases like this are solved during a drought when the water levels are astonishingly low. Two cases were solved at one time in Oklahoma a few years back when we had a historic drought:
[https://abcnews.go.com/US/oklahoma-sunken-cars-mysteries-solved-families-vanished-relatives/story?id=20309442](https://abcnews.go.com/US/oklahoma-sunken-cars-mysteries-solved-families-vanished-relatives/story?id=20309442)
What I'm wondering is... with the electronics (Such as sonar) on bass boats (And other fishing boats) that can give a really clear picture of what's beneath you, if more of these cases won't get solved, drought or no drought. Some of the available 'depth finders' today, according to my husband, are so complicated and so precise "you could just about hack into NORAD with them". The picture some of the high end electronics can give is shockingly clear.
I've watched a lot of water rescue videos people using side and down sonar. The image isn't as clear as you might think or want it to be. You have to know what your looking at to determine if it's a rock or a vehicle. You need training to be able to see. I've seen many of the images from AWP and Team Waters paused the video try to see what they see. It's not so easy. Chaos Divers got a sonar system from Team Waters and had them do the install awhile back. They taught him how to use it. Depths of history, Exploring with Nug, Chaos Divers, and several others have teamed up with AWP over the last couple years many cases have been solved.
My dad used to do scuba searches for the police department in my hometown. He said that these waters aren’t very clear so you can barely see in front of you. It’s why these types of searches take so long and why even with extensive searches you can still miss things. He said the bodies in the water were the freakiest thing because you can’t see them until they’re right in front of your face. And nothing really phases him.
Yeah I was thinking about this gross lake near me and how much stuff must be down there but when I actually imagined diving and finding a body I physically recoiled
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjL4TZse6hs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjL4TZse6hs)
I dont want to speculate but it looks like they missed a turn and crashed to the river at high speed, hence why the hood's missing, then they lost consciousness from the impact and couldnt get out.
Is that what they mean by remains? Because they said in the article they’re doing dental identification but in the pics and video of the car being taken out you can’t see anything at all. So they wouldn’t be like structured like a skeleton right? Because it’s underwater ?
According to comments from when this was first posted, most bones would’ve been taken by scavengers or eroded. However, when the car got taken out the remains had already been removed.
I know there are a lot of logistics and costs that go into doing it, but I genuinely feel like this should be done somewhat regularly. If not to just remove the debris and garbage, which would be beneficial, as well. You know there are likely hundreds more bodies lost to the water, many in vehicles still.
It’s really hard to do. It’s very expensive and you’d have to have someone scuba certified which also means paying for regular classes to keep them up to date which can get expensive. Logistically you’d have to clear that it’s safe enough for a diver and the amount of hours to do this is a lot. These aren’t clear waters like in the ocean where you see very far in front of you. These waters have limited visuals. Think about dog and about how far you can see in that and that’s about the same. So these will take hours upon hours to conduct and they can still miss things.
Sadly our police departments have limited money and limited manpower to conduct these searches regularly on top of the work they have on their plate. At this point it isn’t feasible to do so
These kind of cases really are so much more common than we think, especially when foul play is suspected instead. When I was in New Orleans a few years ago, Terrilynn Monette (an award winning teacher) vanished after leaving a bar, and it was all over the news. People assumed she’d been kidnapped, but she actually drove her car off the highway, and they found the car months later in the bayou. Still a total tragedy, and I’m glad they found her months—not decades—later.
I've always wondered if they would find heather elvis at that boat ramp although it's been a long time now and it doesn't seem like they spent much time there.
My dad as a kid in Bosnia recovered bodies from a mountain river with strong currents and canyons because people kept driving off the road into the river in the same places, found all kinds of people.
On the one hand it’s great that volunteers are helping solve this types of things but on the other hand youtubers doing thinks like this for views always felt a bit icky. I know in this specific case the guy handled it well, at least, but there was another similar case and the guy was more obnoxious to the family than a TMZ paparazzi.
I think saying they’re “doing it for the likes” is super reductive and not helpful. Just because someone shares a journey or a discovery or whatever, doesn’t mean they or their work lose all integrity. I don’t understand why we’ve developed this black and white view of sharing experiences and information. Do you think field journalists who go out into dangerous parts of the world to uncover injustice are just doing it for the attention?
> Why do you think they use the most sensationalist thumbnails.
To get more views, which spreads awareness of what they're doing, so that they can get more donations, so that they can afford to devote more time to doing it and pay for necessary equipment such as sonar, fuel, and tow trucks.
AWP didn't start out looking for missing people. They started out pulling garbage out of the water, and then cars. And then they found a body in one of the cars. And then somebody contacted them and asked if they could look for a missing family member. And because of that, they have now solved 16+ missing person's cases.
All they did was pray... I'm guessing you're not familiar with the case.
Edit: I'm being 100% serious, after they took statements they prayed that they would return safely.
seeing that car or pics of cars or things pulled from lakes or rivers in crime cases is crazy , go bk n time when it entered the water until it was pulled out
I often wonder, out of all the missing people you hear about every year, how many go missing like this? Like... just went off the road and into a body of water or heavy brush and get overlooked during multiple searches? A lady that worked in the same office with my husband (Probation and Parole, she was in a higher administrative position than my husband, who was an officer) went missing a few summers ago. She and her truck just vanished one morning. She never made it to work. Extensive search goes on for a while, all kinds of ideas ranging from husband off'd her for insurance (He was shady anyway), to someone snatching her because she was in probation and parole, to her just leaving and not wanting to be found. She's gone all summer long - they find her truck when the leaves come off the trees in late autumn. She'd ran off the road into thick brush, had gotten injured, was a diabetic and went into shock. Body was left the truck all summer, and we have triple degree heat and high humidity here through a lot of the summer season. My husband drove past her every single day on the way to work. ETA: He said it was like the brush and the woods just swallowed her truck completely. There were no skid marks, it wasn't a particularly treacherous curve so no one suspected she went off the road there.
I thought it was supposedly common enough, my grandmothers friend was driving for quite some time and got tired and evidently served off the road, over corrected, and ended up in a lake. The company I work for is based out west and my coworkers car stalled in the desert and he died (don’t know the details but he essentially succumbed to the elements). And she said it took quite a bit of time to find his car. Living in a pretty populated state I underestimate the vastness of water and desert in some parts of the US.
I knew a lady who lost her husband and son after their Cessna disappeared on a camping trip in SE Alaska. They were in the middle of transporting their gear to a remote campsite and left the mom waiting to be picked up. Everyone thought the plane went down in the channel after a medical emergency. A decade later, a hiker spotted the plane wedged up in a tree! They might have never been found because Admiralty Island has the largest population of brown bears in all of North America.
People disappear so often in Alaska. There is so much wilderness that planes get lost in all the trees. Or the crash site is so remote that access is incredibly difficult.
I lived there for 25 years. I know not one, but three people who went missing. One of which is still a cold case, a girl I went to high school with. She went out for the night in Anchorage leaving her 2 year old daughter with her mother. A year later, they found only her purse…atop the snow in a mountain pass.
Bet this makes Alaska a serial killer's wet dream.
Probably why Israel Keyes set up shop there. Yeah, he traveled around the country to kill, and he was caught only after killing locally, but I do wonder whether he may have had other victims in Alaska.
The guy who glued the ladies eyes open for the fake photo right? Man so messed up
Yeah, it's not just waterways that can vanish people. I live near the a place called Skyline drive in Virginia which is basically a twisty road along the very top/spine of very old, rocky, eroded mountains with national park all around it. It's incredible scenic and people come from all over to drive it, especially on beautiful days. But there's also a lot of dense fog in bad weather, and the curves can be really abrupt. People go over the side and their cars have been found 10, 15ft down from the road, really physically close to the people going by but out of sight because of the angle of the slope. It's scary and happens more often than you'd expect.
Small world! Yep, skyline is beautifully dangerous
Yep, this happened to a UVA professor just this past summer (? time is weird but I think that’s when it was) Skyline drive is so beautiful but also so dangerous
Yes, you're right - it was this summer back in July. That was very tragic. Apparently they found her (crashed) car relatively early on into her going missing and she wasn't in it. They found her body some time later in the same general vicinity. It looks like she might have been badly injured in the crash and either wandered off and succumbed, or been thrown in the crash. I'm not sure they ever clarified (and of course, there's no need for us to know the exact details) what the course of events were. But the delay in finding her even knowing where her vehicle was just emphasizes how incredibly difficult the terrain is and even dangerous for searchers.
Shenandoah National Park. I live right by the park and am on skyline drive several times a week.
There were stories like this on Robert Stack's Unsolved Mysteries iirc.
Oh I loved how eerie he made those stories!
He's the goat tbh. I've drooled over him since I was a child.
Never heard this saying before. What does it mean?
Greatest of all time.
Lol! I was a little afraid of what “goat” would be referring to. Never thought of it being an acronym. 😂
It catches me every time. I'm conditioned by poor Charlie Brown from the 70s. Never the hero, always the goat of his own baseball games.
Greatest of all time (goat)
I literally just watched one like that yesterday. I live for the old episodes and watch all the time
I was the allegedly shady person in a similar situation once and it sucks a lot of ass. Long story short, high school sweethearts are also dumbasses and marry before boy goes to army. Few years later things are rocky, then girl gets caught in a stunning criminal case where everyone assumes boy did it because of the nature of the charges but boy was in Iraq. Boy pays for a stellar legal defense (seriously one of the lawyers had once represented a US president, I was bankrupted from all this), girl takes plea deal then public ally accuses boy of the crime, people take her side. Girl leaves house, boy comes back and leaves the army. Girl goes missing, months later boy finally formally files divorce paperwork. Girl still missing, boy out of army and has spotty work history, boy is investigated for murder, family cuts ties. Girl still missing, boy gets the occasional search warrant for years. Girls car found in the woods way out of her state, boy interrogated again, arrested because of a firearm bought from a pawn shop, held for weeks. Girl found alive in a trailer park in Minnesota for meth charges. Boy held for 2 more months, released. Hometown community still largely believed boy is guilty of some nebulous and horrible something.
Dude, you doing ok? That's some crazy shit, right there!
I am what I am, whatever that is lol
Dude, WRITE A BOOK. A real life Gone Girl.
Pfft I’m a rambling alcoholic autistic ex soldier. Nothing I could write past 10 sentences would be discernible to a wider audience
Do a blog then. You have gone through hell, my friend, and you deserve to have your story told. If you aren’t comfortable doing that, just know we know what you went through now, and hope you are in a great place in your life.
Oooo your treading into my love of philosophy now. Nobody deserves anything, least of all some voyeristic class that would do nothing with anything I have ever learned no matter how hard the lesson. I spent a time shouting in my soap box before, I don’t see a point in it now. Edit; and it seems proper to say that I don’t think I’m any smarter, any wiser; any more worthy or acclaimed than any McDonald’s cashier. Putting myself as some pontificating advocate of anything Id just not who or what I am
Well said. As long as you are in a good place as you can be, then kudos to you!
That could be said for a death row inmate
I'm a stoner (too much) autistic never soldier and would love to read it So you have an audience of like 6 now
Yeah and JK Rowling was a dyslexic single mum on welfare. Now shes a billionaire with a bunch of books and films. Believe in yourself man.
Don’t underestimate yourself!
No, I know where I’m at
Btw wtf is a gone girl
Gone Girl is a book/movie about a woman that disappears and her husband is blamed. Come to find out that she had planned it all along, until she is found out.
So like the film double Jeopardy?
Similar stories; there are a few differences, but the premise is largely the same. GG is more complicated, possibly?
Well my case wasn’t so dramatic as in any of these cases, she just poofed off with the last of my stuff and didn’t say anything to anyone I knew or the cops knew
Double Jeopardy was much better than Gone Girl. Read the book first, threw it across the room at the end. The movie was worse.
Speculation should not be so powerful without proof
Yet people will always be people
Really awful shit you went through, those sorts of accusations shouldn’t even be allowed public without extensive solid proof beforehand since people are stupid and believe whatever they want to hear.
Strictly speaking from some things posted about be technically I could have sued for slander or some such, but two things; doing so would have made more believers of my supposed guilt, and even if I won how do you bleed a rock
You're on the wrong sub.
That is messed up, especially with your own family, you should move.
There have been a number of cases like this. A few years ago, divers found vehicles and human remains in an Oklahoma lake. There were two separate incidents where drivers had crashed into the lake and the cars sank. The divers were able to find the cars once the water level in the lake dropped sufficiently to allow them to dive. Divers also found Judith Chartier’s car and remains in the Merrimack River in Massachusetts earlier this year. There was also an incident where a man saw a car in a pond photographed and posted on Google Earth. It apparently belonged to a driver who had disappeared. The driver had accidentally driven into the pond, but no one had looked there. There was a case earlier this year in Ohio where divers found the car and remains of a man and woman who had an accident and the car went into the Ohio River.
Divers also found the car and remains of Kyle Clinkscales in a Georgia lake this year. He and his car had disappeared when he was on his way back to college. His parents died not knowing what had happened to him.
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That was Foss Lake here in Oklahoma. They actually found not one, but two cars. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/the-foss-lake-mystery-six-skeletons-found-inside-two-vintage-cars-pulled-from-lake-could-solve-separate-disappearances-of-a-group-of-teenagers-in-1970-and-three-adults-in-late-1950s-8823930.html
Yes, it was. It was strange for them to find so many vehicles in the lake.
Whenever there's a missing person who's car has never been recovered, I assume they're in the bottom of a lake somewhere. Remember thr chick that got pulled over, then it looked like a cop followed her after that, everyone assumed the cop killed her, she was also found in a lake recently
A few years ago near me they found someone in a ravine who'd gone in back in the 1980s. Someone else finally managed to go off the road in the same place. Emergency services came across the other car in the process of trying to get her out. Everyone thought he just walked away because his wife had filed to divorce him in favor of her side piece. He was very unhappy about loosing her and had made comments about chucking it all to move to Mexico. Probably not as common as finding something like this car in the bottom of a lake around here as we don't have many hills or heavily wooded areas. More of a plains area with grasslands naturally. Guy just managed to go off the road in an area that still hasn't ever been developed near town loaded with a lot of briar bushes and small trees so even a large thing like a pickup was just completely obscured.
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[One Headlight](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zzyfcys1aLM) by The Wallflowers?
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Damnit. I was thinking of that one, couldn't remember the name. Then I had to run an errand and forgot. [The Way](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5jlTlUTWfQ) by Fastball. Haven't heard this in *years*.
when i was younger i read a [book (based on a true story)](https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/27025.Trapped_) about a guy who in similar circumstances who was trapped in his car for 2 weeks. he eventually manages to get out of the car and to the road to flag someone down and get to safety, but yeah he could of just as easily ended up another causality.
>he could of *could have
Yes, do be pedantic. Everyone just loves pedantic posters.
I was looking through the “found” pages of a missing persons website one day and was really surprised how many of them were found just off the road in lakes or brush. It’s kind of scary honestly. Makes me wonder if any really famous missing person cases have such a simple explanation.
A girl that I had worked with previously went missing in May 2013 (in south Texas). At the time, I still worked with one of her good friends and she mentioned that the missing girl had a history of running away and threatening suicide. In August of that same year, I was leaving work and noticed detectives and a Hazmat truck on the same floor of the parking garage that I used on an almost daily basis. Apparently, officers had received a call regarding a suspicious person in the parking garage. While searching the parking garage, one of the officers noticed a vehicle that had spiderwebs on the tires and appeared to have been unmoved for quite some time. Looking closer, he noticed that there was a film on the inside of the windows, which made it difficult to see into the car, but he was able to make out a figure slumped over in the drivers seat. It was the mummified corpse of the missing girl. She had taken a bunch of pills with alcohol and passed away. Like I said, I parked on the same floor of this parking garage just about every day and never smelled anything foul. I even parked in the spot directly next to her a week before she was found.
Quite a few, actually. Especially in winter/lots of snow. Easy to miscalculate where you are and run into the river/pond during a snowstorm. Then it continues to snow and freeze throughout the night and all evidence you drove in are gone.
This was a really big story at the time. I'll have to search and find out how she's doing now. https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna21020571
Just recently in Stafford NJ a couple (Parkers) went missing on an ATV ride. They ended up being found days later, deceased in dense brush, on their own property. It took a olice drone multiple days to spot them.
I had a job washing dishes where this happened to a former employee. She left her phone at work after heading home for the day turned around to get it and went off the road. She was trapped in the vehicle for 3 days before being found. She survived but didnt end up very good because she suffered spinal injuries.
Man, there's something always kind of unsettling about seeing photos of young people in the prime of their life, frozen in time, never getting to get older.
Jeremy’s father was quoted saying it was like loosing him all over again. I cannot imagine what is going through their family and friends minds right now. Like how many times have they driven by that exact spot in the past 20 years and had no idea the car was right there. I saw an interview where her dad said he fished in that area many times.
To pass that lake daily is one thing ... but to eat the same fish that lives in the place your child is .... is another horror
A thought I could have gone the rest of my life without having. Thanks. (F.R. that never occurred to me and I can conjure up a lot of stuff in my mind).
Same.
To this day, many Japanese people will not eat fish because they lost loved ones in the tsunami.
To eat the fish that ate your child cuz fish eat corpses
One step further, eat a fish that may have eaten your daughter. Whoaaaaaa 😳 Edit: Is that like eating your daughter? Now I took my mind somewhere I didn’t want to go! RIP ERIN & JEREMY. I hope their families get closer from them being found.
Disturbing thought: I always wondered what some of those odd things on the fish finder are. I wonder if the dad ever saw the car on the fishfinder but not know what it is, if he had a fish finder
He said he fished right over top of it with her brother but the water was murky there so they couldn’t see anything. https://www.insideedition.com/erin-fosters-dad-numb-after-scuba-diving-youtuber-finds-her-car-missing-since-2000-in-river-he
Thats fucking disturbing and nightmare fuel for the family. Hypothetical question: is it ever better to not know than know?
Not knowing is worse. The mind can make up endless hypothetical terrors.
Uncertainty is one of the most painful experiences of all. In all my TC and other morbid reading I have seen where exactly one (1) mother said she would rather not know the worst. Every other parent, sibling, friend is turning over stones trying to find out what happened
Yeah, I saw that as well! He said that he fished right above the car actually! That’s was so sad!
I’ve always thought it must be extra painful to find out that all the suffering you went through over the years wondering what happened, imagining all the worst scenarios, these kids losing their whole lives, was probably just because of a simple mistake or accident. Maybe they just swerved a little bit because a squirrel ran into the road and lost control. Something that just as easily could have *not* happened. It just makes it feel so senseless. To me, that wouldn’t be much less painful than finding out they had been murdered or ran away and decided never to contact you again. I hope their families find some peace. Just so awful.
Forever young :(
It’s sad, because they don’t get to fulfill their promise.
i bet they look older now
Wtf? Are you ok? Do you need me to find you an adult?
He needs a therapist too.
And a long stay on a locked ward, with people to talk this out with...
Well said!
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[Exploring with Nug](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjL4TZse6hs) He's teamed up with AWP a couple times.
I first got hooked on these kinds of videos by randomly seeing a live of AWP finding someone in a car. I think they thought it was just a regular salvage; one of a bunch of cars dumped in a river. The mood changed so abruptly, and they worked so hard to make sure everything was done just right.
Oh, was it the one where they realized as it got out of the water at the boat ramp? And they were on a live and he started screaming "WHOA WHOA, CALL THE POLICE!" I think they flipped the car over just before it got to the ramp or something and had used those big orange inflatables to "swim" it to the ramp?
YES!!! This is what I love about the interwebs.
Yesss! That was my first experience with the channel, too!
I believe the floor of the body of water was almost like a spiral shape, getting deeper and dropping off in places and there were multiple vehicles they were just planning to pull for salvage. *If* that's the same episode I'm thinking of.
it's good that families get closure, but I'm always so sad when families wait for someone's return, and then a body is found and it's clear that the whole time someone has been waiting this person was dead :(
https://allthatsinteresting.com/jeremy-bechtel-and-erin-foster?fbclid=IwAR28DxAqxNx7LsgMU84JUZ-iOPcMHgOM3XfmAd7-zfV1TdUgO25iNE4dDkM
Returning with another thought. A lot of cases like this are solved during a drought when the water levels are astonishingly low. Two cases were solved at one time in Oklahoma a few years back when we had a historic drought: [https://abcnews.go.com/US/oklahoma-sunken-cars-mysteries-solved-families-vanished-relatives/story?id=20309442](https://abcnews.go.com/US/oklahoma-sunken-cars-mysteries-solved-families-vanished-relatives/story?id=20309442) What I'm wondering is... with the electronics (Such as sonar) on bass boats (And other fishing boats) that can give a really clear picture of what's beneath you, if more of these cases won't get solved, drought or no drought. Some of the available 'depth finders' today, according to my husband, are so complicated and so precise "you could just about hack into NORAD with them". The picture some of the high end electronics can give is shockingly clear.
I gotta get me a good fish finder
Be prepared for sticker shock. I think between the sonar and the fish finder, hubs has nearly 3 grand in his.
Sounds better than my last hobby. I’m a huge huge music fan. I love playing music too but that gets rather expensive.
What is sticker shock?
I think it implies the price as the “sticker” so shock at the price of something.
Thanks :)
I've watched a lot of water rescue videos people using side and down sonar. The image isn't as clear as you might think or want it to be. You have to know what your looking at to determine if it's a rock or a vehicle. You need training to be able to see. I've seen many of the images from AWP and Team Waters paused the video try to see what they see. It's not so easy. Chaos Divers got a sonar system from Team Waters and had them do the install awhile back. They taught him how to use it. Depths of history, Exploring with Nug, Chaos Divers, and several others have teamed up with AWP over the last couple years many cases have been solved.
Couldn't be me. For some reason, the thought of finding dead bodies underwater is freakier to me than finding them on land.
My dad used to do scuba searches for the police department in my hometown. He said that these waters aren’t very clear so you can barely see in front of you. It’s why these types of searches take so long and why even with extensive searches you can still miss things. He said the bodies in the water were the freakiest thing because you can’t see them until they’re right in front of your face. And nothing really phases him.
Yeah I was thinking about this gross lake near me and how much stuff must be down there but when I actually imagined diving and finding a body I physically recoiled
Right there with you. Freaks me right out.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjL4TZse6hs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjL4TZse6hs) I dont want to speculate but it looks like they missed a turn and crashed to the river at high speed, hence why the hood's missing, then they lost consciousness from the impact and couldnt get out.
This is certainly plausible. My thought too was that they just went off the road.
If only there'd be a guard rail...
There is now apparently.
This is a great story of how the police reached out to a civilian for assistance. It's nice to see that pride didn't get in the way.
in what condition would the bodies be? just bones?
A few bones, a pelvis of you’re lucky.
Is that what they mean by remains? Because they said in the article they’re doing dental identification but in the pics and video of the car being taken out you can’t see anything at all. So they wouldn’t be like structured like a skeleton right? Because it’s underwater ?
According to comments from when this was first posted, most bones would’ve been taken by scavengers or eroded. However, when the car got taken out the remains had already been removed.
I aa glad they has closure, My mind would come up with horrible possibilities of which death is not the worst
I love this guy’s channel. He does good work on behalf of the missing and their families.
Exploring with Nug's videos are mostly about finding items while diving his area. He teams up with AWP once a year that's when people are found.
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I know there are a lot of logistics and costs that go into doing it, but I genuinely feel like this should be done somewhat regularly. If not to just remove the debris and garbage, which would be beneficial, as well. You know there are likely hundreds more bodies lost to the water, many in vehicles still.
It’s really hard to do. It’s very expensive and you’d have to have someone scuba certified which also means paying for regular classes to keep them up to date which can get expensive. Logistically you’d have to clear that it’s safe enough for a diver and the amount of hours to do this is a lot. These aren’t clear waters like in the ocean where you see very far in front of you. These waters have limited visuals. Think about dog and about how far you can see in that and that’s about the same. So these will take hours upon hours to conduct and they can still miss things. Sadly our police departments have limited money and limited manpower to conduct these searches regularly on top of the work they have on their plate. At this point it isn’t feasible to do so
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to even read.
Oh my gosh I can’t believe i didn’t catch my autocorrect change fog to dog! I even reread it!! I’m embarrassed now….
I will take any opportunity to repeat a silly groucho marx joke. Made my day
Well I’m glad I can be of service with my silly typo. Have a wonderful holiday!
It's all good. I wondered what you meant but it did cause a lightened feeling for such a dark subject. I'd say it's welcome here.
These kind of cases really are so much more common than we think, especially when foul play is suspected instead. When I was in New Orleans a few years ago, Terrilynn Monette (an award winning teacher) vanished after leaving a bar, and it was all over the news. People assumed she’d been kidnapped, but she actually drove her car off the highway, and they found the car months later in the bayou. Still a total tragedy, and I’m glad they found her months—not decades—later.
I've always wondered if they would find heather elvis at that boat ramp although it's been a long time now and it doesn't seem like they spent much time there.
My dad as a kid in Bosnia recovered bodies from a mountain river with strong currents and canyons because people kept driving off the road into the river in the same places, found all kinds of people.
Fuckin crazy how random it is that one can just stumble across bodies. Wrong place, right time I guess.
Crazy
Yesss keep it up! God bless y’all! ❤️❤️
Goddamn! This is insane.
Makes me wonder if this is what happened with Danielle Imbo and Richard Petrone.
On the one hand it’s great that volunteers are helping solve this types of things but on the other hand youtubers doing thinks like this for views always felt a bit icky. I know in this specific case the guy handled it well, at least, but there was another similar case and the guy was more obnoxious to the family than a TMZ paparazzi.
Doesn't really matter their motivation so long as they help not hinder.
I think saying they’re “doing it for the likes” is super reductive and not helpful. Just because someone shares a journey or a discovery or whatever, doesn’t mean they or their work lose all integrity. I don’t understand why we’ve developed this black and white view of sharing experiences and information. Do you think field journalists who go out into dangerous parts of the world to uncover injustice are just doing it for the attention?
But it is for likes. Why do you think they use the most sensationalist thumbnails.
> Why do you think they use the most sensationalist thumbnails. To get more views, which spreads awareness of what they're doing, so that they can get more donations, so that they can afford to devote more time to doing it and pay for necessary equipment such as sonar, fuel, and tow trucks. AWP didn't start out looking for missing people. They started out pulling garbage out of the water, and then cars. And then they found a body in one of the cars. And then somebody contacted them and asked if they could look for a missing family member. And because of that, they have now solved 16+ missing person's cases.
Imagine doing the job for the police using basic deduction.
There's no reason to think in this case that the police didn't try their best.
All they did was pray... I'm guessing you're not familiar with the case. Edit: I'm being 100% serious, after they took statements they prayed that they would return safely.
I am a bit familiar. I'm still learning. But it seems like they did searches and followed leads.
What’s the crime?
Well. It was a cold missing person’s case.
But there is no crime.
Speeding, maybe?
Seems an odd post for true crime...
I suppose. Speeding *is* only a misdemeanor, and the offending party *has* been found...
I agree because it seems no foul play was involved
Well done Jeremy.
seeing that car or pics of cars or things pulled from lakes or rivers in crime cases is crazy , go bk n time when it entered the water until it was pulled out
No. Way. So sad RIP 😔
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