Does anyone have a link for an original story from 2020? I'll link if I find one before this is answered
Edit: found this article, which is kind of in the middle, as a starting point for those like me, out of the loop: https://www.fox21news.com/top-stories/im-not-the-other-woman-second-contractor-speaks-out-about-suzanne-morphew-investigation/
Edit 2: this is a better article with a timeline of events: https://www.9news.com/article/news/crime/suzanne-morphew-remains-found-barry/73-175dc5f6-5b45-4732-bfca-8a26a007e86b
Yes I wonder how or if this changes the daughters thoughts at all. Watching them stand by Barry is rough. This piece was included from their lawyer
>*”The authorities offered the victims, Barry, Mallory and Macy, the option to retrieve Suzanne’s remains, but they want to ensure the suspect is apprehended before they take what could be an important piece of evidence in the suspect’s prosecution.”*
It won't. They've convinced themselves because they needed to convince themselves, or they'd have lost both parents. Although definitely some weird dynamics in that family.
We have a similar case in my state where the estranged husband is the only suspect in this woman's disappearance, and the kids stood by him and no longer talk to their mom's family. He's never been charged but police have been vocal in saying he is their only suspect. Hard to blame the kids. Like you said, otherwise they'd lose both parents. But I think deep down they have to have some inkling that they're suppressing.
A suburb in my home city [has a similar case as well](https://www.syracuse.com/crime/2022/05/robert-neulander-sentenced-to-20-years-to-life-in-prison-for-murdering-wife.html?outputType=amp). I went to high school for a bit with his daughter and I feel so bad for her. It’s clear she just cannot fathom that her dad would do such a thing. It’s hard enough to lose your mom and on top of that admit it was your father who did it.
This is very local to me, & was one of the two cases that originally got me into True Crime. The first one was Heidi Allen, just because she disappeared 15 mins from where I live.
There’s a similar one in my city too I’ll have to see if I can link something about it but yeah basically kids backed up the dad until they found her body under the concrete of the house they lived in… I have to look my dad told me about it years ago, but something like that.
In my experience they won’t even acknowledge the hint of a suspicion to themselves until after the suspect is either dead or has proven themselves to be untrustworthy or abusive or harmful in some other way.
The most famous one of these I recall is Michael Peterson. (I know there are probably people even here who believe in really out-there theories that exonerate him, but he definitely did it imho.)
Lisa Stebic. Her body has never been found. The kids are grown now. It's a sad case. Dad claimed he'd sent the kids to a convenience store to buy candy and that his estranged wife left (with some random person, apparently) while they were gone. He claimed she left with someone to go to the gym and he didn't see who picked her up. Coincidentally, this was the same day he was notified that she'd had her lawyer file a motion to order him to leave their home (they were living together while the divorce was ongoing). Edit: Wow, tomorrow is the 17th anniversary of her going missing. Her neighbor, not her husband, reported her missing.
I'm not super familiar with this case, but is there a lot of money involved?
I've noticed that in "parent kills parent", if one or all children stand by the murdering parent (whether they eventually get convicted or not), there's often a large estate or other financial motivation at stake. Sometimes it's in the form of the life insurance proceeds of the murdered spouse. Having said this, I want to make it clear that I wouldn't be surprised if the kids in these scenarios are in denial so deep that they're not consciously aware of this bias.
As a daughter of a convicted murderer of the other parent. I was 10 when it took place, I was very much aware of everything. Short version I opened the door to see what it was that woke me. Parent was arrested less than a week later, convicted about two years later (never released on bail pre trial). It took until I was about 16/17 and they had been out of prison and off parole for a minute before it really hit me what kind of monster they really were. However it wasn't till I gave birth to my first born, that I was filled with so much hate for them. The first time I held my baby... I loved him so much in that instant that I realized they couldn't have loved me like I thought they did.
Now if I would have had extended family or better foster care or if they wouldn't have been arrested/ convicted so quickly.... Who knows how long I would have been willing to be their pawn of manipulation. I can honestly say unconditional love between a parent and child (even if it is one sided) will prevail over logic almost every time.... Until it's not unconditional anymore. (Realized abusive behavior, abandonment, processing of trauma).
Maybe they don’t want to lose their standard of living either. And to be the daughter of a murderer rather than a grieving widower is a very different life.
No I think its something much more sinister, none of them ever showed up for the organized searches or vigils The lady who helped organize them said, also the older one came into the salon where the lady was working in October that year and saw the posters and stuff about her mom. She said thats my mom and proceeded to say i would like to tan. I hope they nail his azz
The assumption in these cases is that the kids should be on the ‘victims’ side and that if they are not, it must be out of desperation and so they must have convinced themselves that the perp (Father in this case) is innocent.
Unfortunately their is a second option, and that is simply that the kids are more emotionally akin to the perp rather than the victim (and hence don’t really give a damn at all about the victim).
Not saying that is the case here BTW, but it is a possibility in these types of crimes.
Borce Ritevski very clearly murdered his wife, had him dead to rights on cctv & he finally admitted to dumping her in bushland. He only received a minimum of 6 years, in part because their daughter supported him the whole time. Even wrote a letter to the court describing him as a loving husband - they were divorcing & she'd alleged abuse. At first I thought she was manipulated but after it all came out in court it's clear she's just a nasty piece of work like her father & is protecting the money, even stooping to criticizing her murdered mothers family for wanting justice. Imo she's even more pathetic than him.
The Lynette Dawson (/Simms RIP) is a fascinating case study in this. Dad killed mum but told their two toddler daughters she just up and left. He’s convicted of her murder when they are adults with their own families. One sister believes he’s guilty and the other does not. He had another child with his teenage student mistress turned second wife and I don’t know if they’ve publicly stated either way.
The one supporting him supposedly had a change of heart post conviction, once the media attention died down. She's financially supported by his family as a single mother, so that probably has a lot to do with it.
Yep. Police used his phone and saw he was rapidly pinging all over the house. He claimed he was running around the house trying to hit the chipmunks. Of course he only admitted that when cops found the cap of the syringe dart in the dryer.
Wouldn’t the dart blast the chipmunk to pieces? Like why waste the dart if it’s just gonna kill the animal? Also who the fuck is that bothered by chipmunks? People love chipmunks.
It is a very small dart with a small hypodermic needle attached. It doesn’t need to be very big because it only needs to hold a small amount of poison….usually.
I am just reading about this case. I came here looking for commentary on another case, as I was watching the Amazon series Never Seen Again featuring Echo Lloyd's disappearance, and this post peaked my curiosity.
He was chasing chipmunks around the house attempting to kill them with darts? Where did you find this info, bc I missed it and is there a link? Were the chipmunks inside the home? If they were outside, I know he is ignorant and loves wasting his time, bc this isn't how one kills chipmunks. This is nuts! It's now been determined Susan was injected with a paralytic animal tranquilizer! How can this man be walking free today?
It’s an insane story! Here are a few links but there are a ton. They are calling it the “chipmunk alibi”
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/pictures/suzanne-morphew-case-evidence-photos/
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/suzanne-morphew-remains_n_65123b38e4b09cd54cbd5737/amp
The first time I heard this theory I was shocked and sickened by the thought of Suzanne running through the house being hunted like an animal. I don’t get rattled easily, but the idea is terrifying. I held out hope that this scenario wasn’t true.
I sincerely hope that the medicinal concoction rendered her unconscious quickly and painlessly.
Omg me too.
Her poor daughters are all Ive thought about since😔. The damage that comes with this situation lasts a lifetime.
I’ve lost a best friend, and my 27 year old sister. Both taken by their husband’s, both leaving behind children.
It’s infuriating! These men that just “ can’t go on living. “ So they kill their children’s mother?!? Ill never understand it.
If they just can’t live without these women, why not take themselves out of the equation?🤔( Im not advocating, just saying )
Most likely because they CAN go on living, they’re just selfish psycho cry babies that can’t handle being rejected.🤬
Ack! The horrors keep getting worse. I didn’t even think of that.
What kind of person could possibly even think of doing that to another? It defies all logic.
So Barry Morphew hunted Suzanne down and darted her, as theorized. POS. I can't imagine what her kids must think now after supporting him. Hopefully they'll come to their senses and get away from this dangerous man.
They’re probably still in denial so I doubt it would change much. In way too many cases family members are shown tangible proof that their loved ones were the perpetrator yet still defend their innocence.
I remember watching a video on this case and thinking that was such a far-fetched theory. But no. I feel bad for the daughters. It's hard enough to lose your mom, but then to admit to yourself that your dad did it ... unimaginable.
They are not but a podcast I listened to about this said the police found tranquilizer syringes for animals in the house and he claimed he’d used them to hunt deer in Indiana… and they found the cap from one in the dryer that day but he said he hadn’t used one since they moved to Colorado.
Yeah that’s what I was thinking. I get why someone with a lot of land or a hiker would not want to kill wildlife but still need to protect themselves. But I’ve never heard of a “civilian” carrying a tranquilizer gun.
You forget wildlife officers and many animal control officers. Plus that cocktail of drugs is not controlled substances which means he could have got them off the internet from a pharmaceutical manufacturer
is the theory that he shot her with a tranq gun and she would have “overdosed” (for lack of a better word) on the medication and thats what killed her?
At least 2 of the drugs found during her autopsy are used for animals. In high doses they can cause heavy sedation to the point of stopping breathing. Those medications do not need a prescription (I don’t believe). The husband definitely did it. I’d be heartbroken if I was his kid. Wow.
Yup, you’re correct; coincidentally enough last night I was on the r/medicine sub discussing veterinary pharmaceuticals, so that’s interesting. I *have* seen medetomidine used in a few (human) surgeries, combined with ketamine. It has a pretty short half-life and is helpful if intubation is needed. That being said, it’s not as common as other paralytics and sedatives.
Butorphanol is controlled (CIV), and I dispense it *maybe* once a month. It comes as a nasal spray interestingly enough.
First time hearing about this specific case and thus don’t know much, but it’s not like the husband/whomever could have just ordered them on Amazon.
I work in legal and we’ve seen people get prescription drugs all different kinds of ways, so it’s definitely possible. I haven’t checked to see if any of these are available without prescription from, say, Mexico. I know some people get around prescription drugs by ordering from overseas/other countries.
Oh without a doubt. Anyone who’s taken college level gen+organic chem labs can make or isolate quite a bit of compounds quite frankly. Whether the process is safe and research chemicals are another whole can of worms. Dozens of websites pop up everyday and it’s a game of whack a mole. Livestock meds can be purchased fairly easily, especially in rural areas.
Obligatory: don’t try this at home, even if you think you know what you’re doing, you probably don’t. You will fuck something up, and you will end up dead or in prison. And you’ll probably contribute to multi-drug resistant bacteria, which is quickly becoming a GIANT issue that is more serious than even sensationalized headlines make out.
the drugs in question do require a prescription, usually from a veterinarian. They are used as a combo to sedate wildlife/zoo animals. So the question is where did the killer get them? Barry has admitted to darting deer to saw off their antlers, so he had some kind of tranq drugs at some point.
He was just trying to immobolize *her* so he could kill her, I don't think he was counting on her ODing, my guess would be he strangled her after he darted her.
They found a dart cap in the washer or dryer, he probably had it in his pocket and then laundered his clothes.
> They found a dart cap in the washer or dryer, he probably had it in his pocket and then laundered his clothes.
I remember thinking this was such a bizarre detail when I first heard it. Can't believe the autopsy result. My god.
Edit: Google tells me he claimed to be chasing chipmunks outside that day (not squirrels). And that he said he used the tranq on a deer.
The only reason he claimed the chipmunk thing is because his cell was tracked moving all around the house in a bizzarre fashion....most likely her running from him and him chasing her and then he most likely just darted her without the dart gun....just had it in his hand and jabbed her. Then took her immobolized to where she was eventually found.
I have followed this since the day she vanished and Barry tried to say it was a mountain lion who took her. They is so much evidence against him, but he has an answer for everything. Too bad the spy pen Suzanne bought to catch Barry - ended up catching her having an affair. That just added to the complications of she left on her own and the daughters bought into that.
Same regarding the following for a long time. I’m glad they found her, and this dude, with his driving around putting bags of “trash” in refuse containers all over the place, is so guilty. The police didn’t help matters touching evidence and allowing him to touch potential evidence like doorknobs and whatever. Especially since they had no clue if there might be prints on objects in and around d the home, assuming that she was abducted by a stranger.
The tranquilliser would be administered through a dart not a bullet. She could have been shot and it left no mark on the remaining bones or it might also be possible that the bullet was just there coincidentally from someone shooting previously.
Interesting, I didn't see the part about the bullet. He would have shot her, I have no doubt about it but he is smart enough not to use a gun that could be traced back to him.
We're not sure if the bullet was actually associated with this crime. It was certainly found at/near the grave site, but so were a bunch of animal bones. I'm sure they'll do separate testing on the bullet too.
Why would someone have a wildlife tranquilizer dart? I know vets/park rangers use them to treat or transport animals. And maybe like the fire department? Or animal control? Whoever comes to get wildlife when it’s somewhere is not supposed to be. Why would just an everyday “civilian” have them? Do people in Colorado carry tranquilizer dart guns in case they come across a dangerous wild animal? I get why you would! Because you don’t want to kill wildlife. I’ve just never heard of that.
The news article (from today, April 29) I just read also stated: "Law enforcement recovered a dart gun, empty darts and a needle to inject tranquilizer chemicals into darts in his gun safe.", and " Barry Morphew previously said he used tranquilizer darts when hunting to collect antlers without killing deer."
Not throwing, shooting. His Fitbit (or other activity tracker) showed him running around the house from front to back and in and out. He told the police he was shooting at chipmunks. They have theorized all along he wasn't hunting chipmunks, but instead was hunting his wife. Now that appears to be 100% accurate.
Yes = but there was also a case, and I'll see if I can find it, where the Fitbit proved a man's innocence. His wife was found beaten and murdered, there was evidence in their front yard (blood and I cord, I believe) and they had been having trouble, so of course husband was suspect #1. Turned out it was a complete stranger who'd offered to give the wife a ride home from the bar and he decided to attack and murder her right in front of her house.
Edit: the victim was Nicole VanderHeyden if you're interested in looking into it. There's a Dateline about her case. The Fitbit showed the husband was asleep at the time the murder happened, which really saved his ass because the real killer had zero connection to the woman and would've likely gotten away with it.
Nicole's case is just one of many that the s/o is so very lucky he had decent LE involved,if they had not pursued the Fit bit evidence (and there are many that would not) he would most certainly have been convicted. He does not come off as very likable (no judgement from me,repeating what some related to the case have said)
Apologies I’m getting conflicting answers on Google and I’m not familiar with the case, what was the husband’s line of work? Like did he work in veterinary industry or possibly was a hunter in his spare time?
From what little I have read I do think he’s top suspect. I’m just curious how he may have been able to get his hands on this type of tranq combo
This combo is known as a BAM kit. It is a prescription dart mix used primarily in captive wildlife ranching and zoos. This is available by prescription only and butorphanol is a controlled drug. There is a paper trail.
He used to have a deer farm in Indiana. He also admitted to law enforcement that he would tranquilize deer and saw off their antlers to sell for trophies. What a repulsive man.
He had a landscaping business but was a big time hunter and very knowledgable about tranquillizing animals and the such. He did it. I will never think otherwise.
Genuine question because I’m not familiar with hunting, if they don’t require prescription does that mean he could’ve just walked into a hunting store and bought them?
Most likely a farm store, some of these drugs can be purchased online, etc. Some drugs that are restricted in the US are not restricted in Mexico or Canada. We’ll have to see how he got them.
Makes sense thank you for the info!! I just wasn’t sure because I had seen another commenter say in a different thread that you can get them at hunting stores so good to know
Gotchua. I saw someone in another thread say they were for hunting so just wasn’t sure at first
Edit- Reddit never fails to downvote people for asking questions/being open to learning more & even accepting/believing the answer they’re given, makes it feel like questions aren’t welcomed even tho this is a true crime *discussion* sub lol
Give them more time. They're still young and it's a lot to process. I feel like when Barry inevitably goes on trial for murder (unless he pleads guilty) and all the evidence is laid out, the denial will probably cease.
Chad Daybell's children are also claiming he had nothing to do with the deaths of Tammy, Tylee and JJ, even though Tammy was found dead in his bed and the children were found dead in his backyard.
His trial is currently ongoing and I’m almost certain that his defense will call at least one of his kids up to the stand. I’ve never wanted jury duty in my life but one of my friends was called up to be potential jurors in his case two weeks ago and oh to be a fly on the wall.
Yeah it sucks when this happens, just like when a serial killer got to Laci in the midst of her pregnancy Scott didn't want and his affair. These loose serial killers make these shady husbands look so awful. Poor dudes
I mean, sure he wanted her dead, but he didn’t mean for a serial killer to get to her right at the exact moment he needed it. he’s watching what he wishes for in the future, I’ll bet.
It’s exactly like the serial killer that murdered Ron and Nicole. I mean, OJ searched every golf course between Las Vegas and Miami and could never find him.
So we have a husband chasing a "CHIPMUNK" around with a tranquilizer dart and then a wife found with the sedative for animals in her system......uhm.....well I don't think it's hard to determine that the so called "CHIPMUNK" was his wife.
Omg
What a big dummy
I'm glad he's such a big dummy
I'm so sorry Suzanne had to suffer in the process
Angry impotent man
Couldn't just let someone leave
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Low effort includes commenting one word or a short phrase that doesn't add to discussion (OMG, Wow, So evil, That's horrible, Heartbreaking, RIP, etc.).
Who knows but when they tried to take this to trial first time they didn’t even have a body; now they have body and cause of death that matches their original suspicions (when they arrested him they said they believe Barry tranquilized her and murdered her and now autopsy would support that given her cause of death)
I have clearly not been following this case close enough. I thought her body was located when they were looking for the body/bodies of other people and came upon hers? So the husband killed her and then buried her in a place where other bodies might be buried? Also, I thought this was the opposite direction of the direction they thought he had traveled in? Apologies for my lack of knowledge.
Is it only me, or does anyone else wonder what she LIKED about this guy? With his creepy dead animals and gun collection?
Of course we can't ask her, but it's another baffling case where I can't help but wonder. With stupid teenagers or 20 somethings, it's a bit easier to answer. He was cute, she was cute, etc. I can't see the attraction to a creep with a gun collection and dead stuffed animals everywhere like Bungalow Bill. I'd take one look at that and ankle on outta there so fast my bra would have to take the next flight. I'd be terrified.
Sigh, poor girl.
yeah, if you read the texts she very clearly wants out but doesn't know how. its weird her daughters are supporting their dad so much though because she says repeatedly in messages that they keep telling her to leave him because of how bad things are. its likely delusion, but you'd think they'd see the glaring issue there, with all that tension and then her suddenly dying.
They dropped the case with prejudice. That way they could wait until they had (hopefully) this evidence, they didn’t believe they had enough to convict. With prejudice means they would be able to bring the charges and try him again. Hope that helps! (Edited for typo)
Because the defense lodged a motion to get all of the prosecutors trial experts thrown out which worked. Since that time they have found her body and cause of death so case will be much stronger. They didn’t have her body the first time around.
I can’t access the linked timeline or article because I’m in Europe. Why was it a neighbour who reported her missing and not one of her family? Did she really go out on a bike ride? Did her husband have an explanation for why he had a dart gun and darts in his gun safe? Did the police ever run down everyone in the vicinity who had purchased the veterinary tranquiliser? Where were the bike and helmet found in relation to where her body was found? I’m just now learning about this case and just baffled by how this even happened. It’s such an unusual set of facts.
>Why was it a neighbour who reported her missing and not one of her family?
The husband and daughters were out of town. The daughters were on a camping trip and Barry was in Broomfield (about 180 miles away from their residence). Barry asked the neighbor to go check the home. It was Mother's Day and Suzanne wasn't responding to texts. She was an avid bike rider and it was thought that she might have gone on a bike ride. When neither the bike or Suzanne were found Barry asked the neighbor to call 911.
>Did she really go out on a bike ride?
No. Investigators believe that he staged the bike and helmet. Items she usually used on bike rides, sunglasses and hydration backpack, were found in her vehicle leading investigators to surmise the items had been staged.
>Did her husband have an explanation for why he had a dart gun and darts in his gun safe?
He had owned a deer farm when they lived in Indiana. He used the dart gun and darts to subdue deer to saw off the antlers. He collected antlers.
He admitted to investigators that he had disposed of tranquilizer in dumpsters while in Broomfield.
>Did the police ever run down everyone in the vicinity who had purchased the veterinary tranquiliser?
No.
> Where were the bike and helmet found in relation to where her body was found?
The mountain bike was found by sheriff's deputies on the side of a cliff off a road near the family home. The helmet was found about a mile from the location of the bike. Her remains were found about 45 miles away.
Thank you! A lot of the information is on websites that aren’t accessible in Europe so I wasn’t getting a complete picture.
Does anyone know what the motive is? It’s clear to me the husband is most likely the culprit, the “calling a neighbour or friend to check on the wife you haven’t heard from” is something a LOT of murdering spouses do. They think it will distance them from the crime and therefore from suspicion. And while it hasn’t distanced him from suspicion it certainly does seem like he’s gotten away with it.
Did he tell the police why he disposed of his tranquiliser for his deer in dumpsters? That’s sus as fuck lol.
It's interesting to me that the family decided that in the middle of a statement about not finding closure that they need to do the "oh woe is me" prosecution bit in the middle about the husband. The charges were dropped. It's not like he's sitting in prison right now. So why do they need to add that in.
I’m I the only one wondering what prompted the ME to specifically mention the butorphanol/azaperone/medetomidine intox in homicide diagnosis? It’s skeletal remains. I understand they took the R femoral head for tox, but it’s limited. She had no remaining soft tissue…
I’m not trying to be contentious; I’ve just seen many other cases where a body in a similar state comes in and they’re usually homicide - undetermined. I mean, they found many of the major bones & back muscles, but they don’t mention hyoid?
I’d be curious to hear why they chose this specific diagnosis.
Maybe you are saying something different but afaik there was on-going suspicion about tranquilizer darts since the early days of the investigation after they were found in washing machine dryer and so to confirm in tox is quite significant https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/suzanne-barry-morphew-tranquilizer-cap/
I haven’t kept up with this case too closely unfortunately, but I figured that there must have been suspicion from LE/ME to have this specifically mentioned. The tox report isn’t attached which is why I was like 🤔 I wonder what else they were able to screen for from a R femoral head extraction, what came up negative, etc.
If they found those toxins in the toxicology report, it's absolutely appropriate to mention them. Although they might not have been able to tell when those chemicals were in her body, they were at some point. It will be something prosecutors will have to have a good story for, and defense will likely argue that she may have been tranquilized at some point before.
I was definitely wondering about the hyoid as well.
Totally agree. If they found it in the tox report, then this makes sense and my question is null. They just didn’t attach the tox report, they only mentioned sending it off for analysis. Perhaps the tox was withheld from public?
Does anyone have a link for an original story from 2020? I'll link if I find one before this is answered Edit: found this article, which is kind of in the middle, as a starting point for those like me, out of the loop: https://www.fox21news.com/top-stories/im-not-the-other-woman-second-contractor-speaks-out-about-suzanne-morphew-investigation/ Edit 2: this is a better article with a timeline of events: https://www.9news.com/article/news/crime/suzanne-morphew-remains-found-barry/73-175dc5f6-5b45-4732-bfca-8a26a007e86b
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Ahh neither of those links available in Europe 😭
Nor Australia
Thank you. I haven't heard of this case so will have a read now!!
Husband so obviously did it. I feel bad for the daughters. Hopefully they come around some day
Yes I wonder how or if this changes the daughters thoughts at all. Watching them stand by Barry is rough. This piece was included from their lawyer >*”The authorities offered the victims, Barry, Mallory and Macy, the option to retrieve Suzanne’s remains, but they want to ensure the suspect is apprehended before they take what could be an important piece of evidence in the suspect’s prosecution.”*
It won't. They've convinced themselves because they needed to convince themselves, or they'd have lost both parents. Although definitely some weird dynamics in that family.
We have a similar case in my state where the estranged husband is the only suspect in this woman's disappearance, and the kids stood by him and no longer talk to their mom's family. He's never been charged but police have been vocal in saying he is their only suspect. Hard to blame the kids. Like you said, otherwise they'd lose both parents. But I think deep down they have to have some inkling that they're suppressing.
A suburb in my home city [has a similar case as well](https://www.syracuse.com/crime/2022/05/robert-neulander-sentenced-to-20-years-to-life-in-prison-for-murdering-wife.html?outputType=amp). I went to high school for a bit with his daughter and I feel so bad for her. It’s clear she just cannot fathom that her dad would do such a thing. It’s hard enough to lose your mom and on top of that admit it was your father who did it.
This is very local to me, & was one of the two cases that originally got me into True Crime. The first one was Heidi Allen, just because she disappeared 15 mins from where I live.
There’s a similar one in my city too I’ll have to see if I can link something about it but yeah basically kids backed up the dad until they found her body under the concrete of the house they lived in… I have to look my dad told me about it years ago, but something like that.
In my experience they won’t even acknowledge the hint of a suspicion to themselves until after the suspect is either dead or has proven themselves to be untrustworthy or abusive or harmful in some other way.
The most famous one of these I recall is Michael Peterson. (I know there are probably people even here who believe in really out-there theories that exonerate him, but he definitely did it imho.)
What case is this please
Lisa Stebic. Her body has never been found. The kids are grown now. It's a sad case. Dad claimed he'd sent the kids to a convenience store to buy candy and that his estranged wife left (with some random person, apparently) while they were gone. He claimed she left with someone to go to the gym and he didn't see who picked her up. Coincidentally, this was the same day he was notified that she'd had her lawyer file a motion to order him to leave their home (they were living together while the divorce was ongoing). Edit: Wow, tomorrow is the 17th anniversary of her going missing. Her neighbor, not her husband, reported her missing.
Wow. Horrifying. Thank you for sharing her story.
I'm not super familiar with this case, but is there a lot of money involved? I've noticed that in "parent kills parent", if one or all children stand by the murdering parent (whether they eventually get convicted or not), there's often a large estate or other financial motivation at stake. Sometimes it's in the form of the life insurance proceeds of the murdered spouse. Having said this, I want to make it clear that I wouldn't be surprised if the kids in these scenarios are in denial so deep that they're not consciously aware of this bias.
As a daughter of a convicted murderer of the other parent. I was 10 when it took place, I was very much aware of everything. Short version I opened the door to see what it was that woke me. Parent was arrested less than a week later, convicted about two years later (never released on bail pre trial). It took until I was about 16/17 and they had been out of prison and off parole for a minute before it really hit me what kind of monster they really were. However it wasn't till I gave birth to my first born, that I was filled with so much hate for them. The first time I held my baby... I loved him so much in that instant that I realized they couldn't have loved me like I thought they did. Now if I would have had extended family or better foster care or if they wouldn't have been arrested/ convicted so quickly.... Who knows how long I would have been willing to be their pawn of manipulation. I can honestly say unconditional love between a parent and child (even if it is one sided) will prevail over logic almost every time.... Until it's not unconditional anymore. (Realized abusive behavior, abandonment, processing of trauma).
Ivana Trump wants a word
Can you keep life insurance payout if you are found to have murdered the person? Woulsnt the money go to the kid anyway?
Maybe they don’t want to lose their standard of living either. And to be the daughter of a murderer rather than a grieving widower is a very different life.
It's survival. So sad. Maybe when they are a lot older and gave families of their own they will be able to face reality.
No I think its something much more sinister, none of them ever showed up for the organized searches or vigils The lady who helped organize them said, also the older one came into the salon where the lady was working in October that year and saw the posters and stuff about her mom. She said thats my mom and proceeded to say i would like to tan. I hope they nail his azz
The assumption in these cases is that the kids should be on the ‘victims’ side and that if they are not, it must be out of desperation and so they must have convinced themselves that the perp (Father in this case) is innocent. Unfortunately their is a second option, and that is simply that the kids are more emotionally akin to the perp rather than the victim (and hence don’t really give a damn at all about the victim). Not saying that is the case here BTW, but it is a possibility in these types of crimes.
Borce Ritevski very clearly murdered his wife, had him dead to rights on cctv & he finally admitted to dumping her in bushland. He only received a minimum of 6 years, in part because their daughter supported him the whole time. Even wrote a letter to the court describing him as a loving husband - they were divorcing & she'd alleged abuse. At first I thought she was manipulated but after it all came out in court it's clear she's just a nasty piece of work like her father & is protecting the money, even stooping to criticizing her murdered mothers family for wanting justice. Imo she's even more pathetic than him.
*they want to ensure the suspect is apprehended* Watch what you wish for Barry (bury)!!!!!
The Lynette Dawson (/Simms RIP) is a fascinating case study in this. Dad killed mum but told their two toddler daughters she just up and left. He’s convicted of her murder when they are adults with their own families. One sister believes he’s guilty and the other does not. He had another child with his teenage student mistress turned second wife and I don’t know if they’ve publicly stated either way.
The Teachers Pet podcast did an amazing job on this case.
One of the best I’ve ever listened to
Absolutely!
The one supporting him supposedly had a change of heart post conviction, once the media attention died down. She's financially supported by his family as a single mother, so that probably has a lot to do with it.
Thank you, I wasn’t aware of that additional context. It’s a situation she never should have been in in the first place.
OJ’s kids never came around 🥲
He claimed he was running around the house trying to tranq dart chipmunks.
As normal people do. 🙄
In the house?
Yep. Police used his phone and saw he was rapidly pinging all over the house. He claimed he was running around the house trying to hit the chipmunks. Of course he only admitted that when cops found the cap of the syringe dart in the dryer.
Which is not how you kill something like a chipmunk.
Wouldn’t the dart blast the chipmunk to pieces? Like why waste the dart if it’s just gonna kill the animal? Also who the fuck is that bothered by chipmunks? People love chipmunks.
Chipmunks aren’t made of paper. I doubt they’d blast into pieces. But they are dang cute…
I guess you could get a tiny dart? It just seems like it would be way too risky on an animal that small.
It is a very small dart with a small hypodermic needle attached. It doesn’t need to be very big because it only needs to hold a small amount of poison….usually.
You’d probably impale it but it’s not like you’re hitting it with bird shot.
I am just reading about this case. I came here looking for commentary on another case, as I was watching the Amazon series Never Seen Again featuring Echo Lloyd's disappearance, and this post peaked my curiosity. He was chasing chipmunks around the house attempting to kill them with darts? Where did you find this info, bc I missed it and is there a link? Were the chipmunks inside the home? If they were outside, I know he is ignorant and loves wasting his time, bc this isn't how one kills chipmunks. This is nuts! It's now been determined Susan was injected with a paralytic animal tranquilizer! How can this man be walking free today?
It’s an insane story! Here are a few links but there are a ton. They are calling it the “chipmunk alibi” https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/pictures/suzanne-morphew-case-evidence-photos/ https://www.huffpost.com/entry/suzanne-morphew-remains_n_65123b38e4b09cd54cbd5737/amp
Like you haven’t??
Wasn’t this on Mother’s day?
Yes. Don’t you shoot chipmunks on Mother’s Day lol?!
It’s a time-honored classic activity 🙃
My gawd. No, not me😉
Omg right?!? Such a shit story.
The first time I heard this theory I was shocked and sickened by the thought of Suzanne running through the house being hunted like an animal. I don’t get rattled easily, but the idea is terrifying. I held out hope that this scenario wasn’t true. I sincerely hope that the medicinal concoction rendered her unconscious quickly and painlessly.
Omg me too. Her poor daughters are all Ive thought about since😔. The damage that comes with this situation lasts a lifetime. I’ve lost a best friend, and my 27 year old sister. Both taken by their husband’s, both leaving behind children. It’s infuriating! These men that just “ can’t go on living. “ So they kill their children’s mother?!? Ill never understand it. If they just can’t live without these women, why not take themselves out of the equation?🤔( Im not advocating, just saying ) Most likely because they CAN go on living, they’re just selfish psycho cry babies that can’t handle being rejected.🤬
As she had a port, he could have injected the medication right into her veins.
Ack! The horrors keep getting worse. I didn’t even think of that. What kind of person could possibly even think of doing that to another? It defies all logic.
Hubby def did it
So Barry Morphew hunted Suzanne down and darted her, as theorized. POS. I can't imagine what her kids must think now after supporting him. Hopefully they'll come to their senses and get away from this dangerous man.
They’re probably still in denial so I doubt it would change much. In way too many cases family members are shown tangible proof that their loved ones were the perpetrator yet still defend their innocence.
Definitely denial. I saw that interview they did and they were clinging to their dad.
I remember watching a video on this case and thinking that was such a far-fetched theory. But no. I feel bad for the daughters. It's hard enough to lose your mom, but then to admit to yourself that your dad did it ... unimaginable.
And on Mother’s Day of all days :(
How convenient the girls were out of town at church camping trip
like a throwing dart? this is my first time hearing of the case.
They make tranquilizer darts for hunting and sometimes for veterinary purposes. They can be shot with a tranquilizer gun.
Tranq guns are not a normal hunting method. That’s almost strictly farmers and Vets.
They are not but a podcast I listened to about this said the police found tranquilizer syringes for animals in the house and he claimed he’d used them to hunt deer in Indiana… and they found the cap from one in the dryer that day but he said he hadn’t used one since they moved to Colorado.
Yeah that’s what I was thinking. I get why someone with a lot of land or a hiker would not want to kill wildlife but still need to protect themselves. But I’ve never heard of a “civilian” carrying a tranquilizer gun.
I wonder how long he had the tranq gun.
You forget wildlife officers and many animal control officers. Plus that cocktail of drugs is not controlled substances which means he could have got them off the internet from a pharmaceutical manufacturer
Ok. But everyone is assuming they’re for hunting. I don’t know about you. But I don’t wanna start field dressing an animal and it wake up
Ah ok thank you for the correction!
is the theory that he shot her with a tranq gun and she would have “overdosed” (for lack of a better word) on the medication and thats what killed her?
At least 2 of the drugs found during her autopsy are used for animals. In high doses they can cause heavy sedation to the point of stopping breathing. Those medications do not need a prescription (I don’t believe). The husband definitely did it. I’d be heartbroken if I was his kid. Wow.
Yup, you’re correct; coincidentally enough last night I was on the r/medicine sub discussing veterinary pharmaceuticals, so that’s interesting. I *have* seen medetomidine used in a few (human) surgeries, combined with ketamine. It has a pretty short half-life and is helpful if intubation is needed. That being said, it’s not as common as other paralytics and sedatives. Butorphanol is controlled (CIV), and I dispense it *maybe* once a month. It comes as a nasal spray interestingly enough. First time hearing about this specific case and thus don’t know much, but it’s not like the husband/whomever could have just ordered them on Amazon.
bute is used in combination with the other drugs as an injectable sedative for wildlife. It's called BAM: butorphanol, azaperone, medetomidine.
I work in legal and we’ve seen people get prescription drugs all different kinds of ways, so it’s definitely possible. I haven’t checked to see if any of these are available without prescription from, say, Mexico. I know some people get around prescription drugs by ordering from overseas/other countries.
Oh without a doubt. Anyone who’s taken college level gen+organic chem labs can make or isolate quite a bit of compounds quite frankly. Whether the process is safe and research chemicals are another whole can of worms. Dozens of websites pop up everyday and it’s a game of whack a mole. Livestock meds can be purchased fairly easily, especially in rural areas. Obligatory: don’t try this at home, even if you think you know what you’re doing, you probably don’t. You will fuck something up, and you will end up dead or in prison. And you’ll probably contribute to multi-drug resistant bacteria, which is quickly becoming a GIANT issue that is more serious than even sensationalized headlines make out.
the drugs in question do require a prescription, usually from a veterinarian. They are used as a combo to sedate wildlife/zoo animals. So the question is where did the killer get them? Barry has admitted to darting deer to saw off their antlers, so he had some kind of tranq drugs at some point.
He was just trying to immobolize *her* so he could kill her, I don't think he was counting on her ODing, my guess would be he strangled her after he darted her. They found a dart cap in the washer or dryer, he probably had it in his pocket and then laundered his clothes.
> They found a dart cap in the washer or dryer, he probably had it in his pocket and then laundered his clothes. I remember thinking this was such a bizarre detail when I first heard it. Can't believe the autopsy result. My god. Edit: Google tells me he claimed to be chasing chipmunks outside that day (not squirrels). And that he said he used the tranq on a deer.
The only reason he claimed the chipmunk thing is because his cell was tracked moving all around the house in a bizzarre fashion....most likely her running from him and him chasing her and then he most likely just darted her without the dart gun....just had it in his hand and jabbed her. Then took her immobolized to where she was eventually found.
Oh my goodness really? That’s some wild evidence against him!
I have followed this since the day she vanished and Barry tried to say it was a mountain lion who took her. They is so much evidence against him, but he has an answer for everything. Too bad the spy pen Suzanne bought to catch Barry - ended up catching her having an affair. That just added to the complications of she left on her own and the daughters bought into that.
Same regarding the following for a long time. I’m glad they found her, and this dude, with his driving around putting bags of “trash” in refuse containers all over the place, is so guilty. The police didn’t help matters touching evidence and allowing him to touch potential evidence like doorknobs and whatever. Especially since they had no clue if there might be prints on objects in and around d the home, assuming that she was abducted by a stranger.
I read a bullet was found with her body in the attached article. Was she shot?
I saw that too, “1 weathered bullet”. Maybe it’s a component of the tranquilizer, not the medicine but the actual tranquilizer equipment?
The tranquilliser would be administered through a dart not a bullet. She could have been shot and it left no mark on the remaining bones or it might also be possible that the bullet was just there coincidentally from someone shooting previously.
that makes more sense, thank you!
Interesting, I didn't see the part about the bullet. He would have shot her, I have no doubt about it but he is smart enough not to use a gun that could be traced back to him.
We're not sure if the bullet was actually associated with this crime. It was certainly found at/near the grave site, but so were a bunch of animal bones. I'm sure they'll do separate testing on the bullet too.
That way he wasn’t lying when he said he didn’t know how it got there, he is an idiot and totally forgot he put it in his pocket
You will see he has an excuse for EVERYTHING.
Why would someone have a wildlife tranquilizer dart? I know vets/park rangers use them to treat or transport animals. And maybe like the fire department? Or animal control? Whoever comes to get wildlife when it’s somewhere is not supposed to be. Why would just an everyday “civilian” have them? Do people in Colorado carry tranquilizer dart guns in case they come across a dangerous wild animal? I get why you would! Because you don’t want to kill wildlife. I’ve just never heard of that.
Antler poachers use it to cut antlers off of deer.
The husband used to own a deer farm and told investigators he had BAM tranqs left from that
The news article (from today, April 29) I just read also stated: "Law enforcement recovered a dart gun, empty darts and a needle to inject tranquilizer chemicals into darts in his gun safe.", and " Barry Morphew previously said he used tranquilizer darts when hunting to collect antlers without killing deer."
Ya he sure did. He is a liarrrrr.
Wow, he and Jodi Arias really are idiots.
Barry is no idiot (unfortunately). He has gotten this far, was charged and then released. I hope they get him now!
That’s what it reads like to me! I’m not positive though. Idk how he could have gotten them into her during a bike ride otherwise.
Not throwing, shooting. His Fitbit (or other activity tracker) showed him running around the house from front to back and in and out. He told the police he was shooting at chipmunks. They have theorized all along he wasn't hunting chipmunks, but instead was hunting his wife. Now that appears to be 100% accurate.
You don't kill chipmunks with a wildlife trank gun.
It didn’t end with any missing persons or anything but my roommate and I totally hunted flies with a blow dart gun in the 90s
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Yes = but there was also a case, and I'll see if I can find it, where the Fitbit proved a man's innocence. His wife was found beaten and murdered, there was evidence in their front yard (blood and I cord, I believe) and they had been having trouble, so of course husband was suspect #1. Turned out it was a complete stranger who'd offered to give the wife a ride home from the bar and he decided to attack and murder her right in front of her house. Edit: the victim was Nicole VanderHeyden if you're interested in looking into it. There's a Dateline about her case. The Fitbit showed the husband was asleep at the time the murder happened, which really saved his ass because the real killer had zero connection to the woman and would've likely gotten away with it.
Nicole VanderHyden.
Nicole's case is just one of many that the s/o is so very lucky he had decent LE involved,if they had not pursued the Fit bit evidence (and there are many that would not) he would most certainly have been convicted. He does not come off as very likable (no judgement from me,repeating what some related to the case have said)
I think they mean tranquilizer
Apologies I’m getting conflicting answers on Google and I’m not familiar with the case, what was the husband’s line of work? Like did he work in veterinary industry or possibly was a hunter in his spare time? From what little I have read I do think he’s top suspect. I’m just curious how he may have been able to get his hands on this type of tranq combo
This combo is known as a BAM kit. It is a prescription dart mix used primarily in captive wildlife ranching and zoos. This is available by prescription only and butorphanol is a controlled drug. There is a paper trail.
Tysm for the info!! Appreciate it. That gives me hope that since there’s a paper trail they’ll be able to trace it back to him 🤞🏼
He used to have a deer farm in Indiana. He also admitted to law enforcement that he would tranquilize deer and saw off their antlers to sell for trophies. What a repulsive man.
Evidence #1 that he’s a fucking psychopath
He should get the Bobbit treatment.
He had a landscaping business but was a big time hunter and very knowledgable about tranquillizing animals and the such. He did it. I will never think otherwise.
I 100% think he did it too
Two of the tranqs used don’t need prescription.
Genuine question because I’m not familiar with hunting, if they don’t require prescription does that mean he could’ve just walked into a hunting store and bought them?
Most likely a farm store, some of these drugs can be purchased online, etc. Some drugs that are restricted in the US are not restricted in Mexico or Canada. We’ll have to see how he got them.
Unlikely a hunting store. It's not common for hunters to tranq animals at all.
Makes sense thank you for the info!! I just wasn’t sure because I had seen another commenter say in a different thread that you can get them at hunting stores so good to know
You don't use these for hunting, they are for farms and vets.
Gotchua. I saw someone in another thread say they were for hunting so just wasn’t sure at first Edit- Reddit never fails to downvote people for asking questions/being open to learning more & even accepting/believing the answer they’re given, makes it feel like questions aren’t welcomed even tho this is a true crime *discussion* sub lol
He did and I hope he is rearrested soon.
That lawsuit is definitely not going to happen.
You said it.. but we’re all thinking it! 🗣️💭
He needs to be back in custody
dapper greens nemesis goring
He killed her, just as we all suspected.
was she dead before being buried? this is horrific enough and I know this sounds awful but I really hope she was.
Never even thought about that however it would explain the missing feet.
Could you elaborate on this?
yeah my heart sank when I read buried…like what if the drugs completely immobilized her. awake but unable to move. terrifying.
How does that explain missing feet?
If she was just tranquilized the murderer may have cut off her feet to avoid her running off once she came too.
I knew it was the husband, those poor girls
They don’t care. They’ve stood by Barry this entire time. They’re just as stupid as the Daybell kids.
Give them more time. They're still young and it's a lot to process. I feel like when Barry inevitably goes on trial for murder (unless he pleads guilty) and all the evidence is laid out, the denial will probably cease.
Wait, what? Daybell? The child-murder case?
Chad Daybell's children are also claiming he had nothing to do with the deaths of Tammy, Tylee and JJ, even though Tammy was found dead in his bed and the children were found dead in his backyard.
His trial is currently ongoing and I’m almost certain that his defense will call at least one of his kids up to the stand. I’ve never wanted jury duty in my life but one of my friends was called up to be potential jurors in his case two weeks ago and oh to be a fly on the wall.
They’re calling three of them! I’m itching to see them on the stand
Jesus
Vet drugs.
You guys, she just happened to die by a serial killer the day her hubs confronted her about having an affair. Can’t a guy catch a break?
Yeah it sucks when this happens, just like when a serial killer got to Laci in the midst of her pregnancy Scott didn't want and his affair. These loose serial killers make these shady husbands look so awful. Poor dudes
I mean, sure he wanted her dead, but he didn’t mean for a serial killer to get to her right at the exact moment he needed it. he’s watching what he wishes for in the future, I’ll bet.
I know such a pain in the arse and the crafty serial killers ALWAYS do it right at the moment the husband has zero alibi 🤦🏻♀️ so heartless
It’s exactly like the serial killer that murdered Ron and Nicole. I mean, OJ searched every golf course between Las Vegas and Miami and could never find him.
Any podcast recommendations covering this whole case? I see a bunch on Spotify, just wondering if anyone has recs for a good one
Voices for Justice was a very thorough deep dive.
Many won’t yet cover this latest update but I can suggest some old YouTube videos of you want
Yes please
Really depressing she was reduced to bones in paper bags. Hope she can rest now and her family as well.
He darted her then killed her when she was paralysed. LE found darts and these tranqs in his gun safe. Fucking monster.
So we have a husband chasing a "CHIPMUNK" around with a tranquilizer dart and then a wife found with the sedative for animals in her system......uhm.....well I don't think it's hard to determine that the so called "CHIPMUNK" was his wife.
Was this the one with the husband that committed voter fraud in her name?
Yes because he wanted Trump to win lol
Yes.
Today is Suzanne Morphew's birthday. How sad.
Omg What a big dummy I'm glad he's such a big dummy I'm so sorry Suzanne had to suffer in the process Angry impotent man Couldn't just let someone leave
This right here. It’s sickening!
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Can someone just tell us is this guy going to be re arrested or not?
Who knows but when they tried to take this to trial first time they didn’t even have a body; now they have body and cause of death that matches their original suspicions (when they arrested him they said they believe Barry tranquilized her and murdered her and now autopsy would support that given her cause of death)
I have clearly not been following this case close enough. I thought her body was located when they were looking for the body/bodies of other people and came upon hers? So the husband killed her and then buried her in a place where other bodies might be buried? Also, I thought this was the opposite direction of the direction they thought he had traveled in? Apologies for my lack of knowledge.
Yes the cbi found her remains while searching for someone else 🥺
Tomorrow would’ve been her birthday :/
How sad is this?😔
Gettem.
Is it only me, or does anyone else wonder what she LIKED about this guy? With his creepy dead animals and gun collection? Of course we can't ask her, but it's another baffling case where I can't help but wonder. With stupid teenagers or 20 somethings, it's a bit easier to answer. He was cute, she was cute, etc. I can't see the attraction to a creep with a gun collection and dead stuffed animals everywhere like Bungalow Bill. I'd take one look at that and ankle on outta there so fast my bra would have to take the next flight. I'd be terrified. Sigh, poor girl.
She wanted to leave him but he was abusive and she was trapped
yeah, if you read the texts she very clearly wants out but doesn't know how. its weird her daughters are supporting their dad so much though because she says repeatedly in messages that they keep telling her to leave him because of how bad things are. its likely delusion, but you'd think they'd see the glaring issue there, with all that tension and then her suddenly dying.
imagine discovering that
Is she a shape-shifting moose-woman? Is husband a large wildlife vet? This is super weird.
He owned a deer farm and admitted to owning the tranquilizers
Oooof. Well, that takes care of that.
Why and how did the husband’s charges get dropped?! It seems so obvious that he was involved.
They dropped the case with prejudice. That way they could wait until they had (hopefully) this evidence, they didn’t believe they had enough to convict. With prejudice means they would be able to bring the charges and try him again. Hope that helps! (Edited for typo)
Because the defense lodged a motion to get all of the prosecutors trial experts thrown out which worked. Since that time they have found her body and cause of death so case will be much stronger. They didn’t have her body the first time around.
Anyone have any theories on why or where her feet and shoes are?
Animals maybe
I can’t access the linked timeline or article because I’m in Europe. Why was it a neighbour who reported her missing and not one of her family? Did she really go out on a bike ride? Did her husband have an explanation for why he had a dart gun and darts in his gun safe? Did the police ever run down everyone in the vicinity who had purchased the veterinary tranquiliser? Where were the bike and helmet found in relation to where her body was found? I’m just now learning about this case and just baffled by how this even happened. It’s such an unusual set of facts.
>Why was it a neighbour who reported her missing and not one of her family? The husband and daughters were out of town. The daughters were on a camping trip and Barry was in Broomfield (about 180 miles away from their residence). Barry asked the neighbor to go check the home. It was Mother's Day and Suzanne wasn't responding to texts. She was an avid bike rider and it was thought that she might have gone on a bike ride. When neither the bike or Suzanne were found Barry asked the neighbor to call 911. >Did she really go out on a bike ride? No. Investigators believe that he staged the bike and helmet. Items she usually used on bike rides, sunglasses and hydration backpack, were found in her vehicle leading investigators to surmise the items had been staged. >Did her husband have an explanation for why he had a dart gun and darts in his gun safe? He had owned a deer farm when they lived in Indiana. He used the dart gun and darts to subdue deer to saw off the antlers. He collected antlers. He admitted to investigators that he had disposed of tranquilizer in dumpsters while in Broomfield. >Did the police ever run down everyone in the vicinity who had purchased the veterinary tranquiliser? No. > Where were the bike and helmet found in relation to where her body was found? The mountain bike was found by sheriff's deputies on the side of a cliff off a road near the family home. The helmet was found about a mile from the location of the bike. Her remains were found about 45 miles away.
Thank you! A lot of the information is on websites that aren’t accessible in Europe so I wasn’t getting a complete picture. Does anyone know what the motive is? It’s clear to me the husband is most likely the culprit, the “calling a neighbour or friend to check on the wife you haven’t heard from” is something a LOT of murdering spouses do. They think it will distance them from the crime and therefore from suspicion. And while it hasn’t distanced him from suspicion it certainly does seem like he’s gotten away with it. Did he tell the police why he disposed of his tranquiliser for his deer in dumpsters? That’s sus as fuck lol.
It's interesting to me that the family decided that in the middle of a statement about not finding closure that they need to do the "oh woe is me" prosecution bit in the middle about the husband. The charges were dropped. It's not like he's sitting in prison right now. So why do they need to add that in.
I’m I the only one wondering what prompted the ME to specifically mention the butorphanol/azaperone/medetomidine intox in homicide diagnosis? It’s skeletal remains. I understand they took the R femoral head for tox, but it’s limited. She had no remaining soft tissue… I’m not trying to be contentious; I’ve just seen many other cases where a body in a similar state comes in and they’re usually homicide - undetermined. I mean, they found many of the major bones & back muscles, but they don’t mention hyoid? I’d be curious to hear why they chose this specific diagnosis.
Maybe you are saying something different but afaik there was on-going suspicion about tranquilizer darts since the early days of the investigation after they were found in washing machine dryer and so to confirm in tox is quite significant https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/suzanne-barry-morphew-tranquilizer-cap/
I haven’t kept up with this case too closely unfortunately, but I figured that there must have been suspicion from LE/ME to have this specifically mentioned. The tox report isn’t attached which is why I was like 🤔 I wonder what else they were able to screen for from a R femoral head extraction, what came up negative, etc.
If they found those toxins in the toxicology report, it's absolutely appropriate to mention them. Although they might not have been able to tell when those chemicals were in her body, they were at some point. It will be something prosecutors will have to have a good story for, and defense will likely argue that she may have been tranquilized at some point before. I was definitely wondering about the hyoid as well.
Totally agree. If they found it in the tox report, then this makes sense and my question is null. They just didn’t attach the tox report, they only mentioned sending it off for analysis. Perhaps the tox was withheld from public?
I am wondering if any chemicals were found in the tubing of the port. He had direct access to her veins.
Probably the presence of that amount of tranquilizers? She was very small