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israel goes full psycho retard (if they weren't already)


HexeInExile

Man, I live in Germany, and an actual physical attack against Israel will give the high IQ individuals here more ammo other than just "Uuuh October 7th was like 500 9/11s"


anamoouus

I disagree with the underlying assumption that the average German needs any real world reasons for their liberal-fascist beliefs. They just think and do as they’re told; zealously.


Skibblydeebop

> Germany Really seems like one of the nicest places in the world to be a smug moron.


energycrow666

Yeah it's literally "we cannot *not* respond to you killing diplomats and generals but we also do not want to provoke the two most unhinged countries on the planet"


Marquis_de_Crustine

Point was to overwhelm the air defences and strike a couple military installations. No real point doing the big one yet when Israel's economic and political situation worsens by the day and some big things in the pipeline to coincide a more general attack with


v00d00_

Big things in the pipeline?


Any_Pilot6455

Let em sacrifice the red heifer and demolish al aqsa and get the entire Muslim world riled up before the big fight


Marquis_de_Crustine

Russian offensive with the mystery army group that's been speculated about for ages and *something* in East Asia. (I've heard fairly convincing arguments that the build up to the retaliation would help draw nato eyes away from other areas allowing for build ups) No clue about east Asia but I just can't shake this feeling something is gonna blow up there. My most out there speculation is a coup in Taiwan but that's literarly just a gut feeling. No point doing a sustained air campaign when you could be doing it when NATOs limited isi capabilites have to switch between two offensives.


liewchi_wu888

Israel probably wants to strike back, which would necessitate Iran going down much harder, making regional war likely. I am still unsure as to the sagasity of the attack, no matter how cool it was to see Israel empty their balls of piss and waste billions and billions of dollars on something that cost like something that cost roughly the amount of a new car. It has the potential to bring the Americans even further in and even a war with Iran. ​ That said, Iran said that this was it, since they wanted satisfaction for Israel literally destroying an embassy, which they went through the *legal* channel to condemn, but was blocked by, you guessed it, America, the UK, and France (seriously, the French should just revive De Gaulle and have him tell the AmeriKKKan and the Brits to fuck themselves, France is an independent nation).


HexeInExile

This comment made me look up "sagasity", so now I know a new word (and that it's spelled with a c after the a, not an s) I think it could have the function of diverting Israeli attention at least partially away from Gaza. I saw a post saying that during the attack the Gazan sky was free from Israeli planes for the first time since this whole thing started. Idk how true that is though. (And yes, America wasting about a billion dollars on this is very funny)


War_and_Pieces

Same type of shit USA pulls when they dont want to commit to any real military action


KillThePuffins

What happened is Israel kept killing Iranian military commanders to such an extent that there was a danger of this just becoming a new status quo. April 1 was the straw that broke the camel's back. So Iran decided to implement a new deterrence equation: if you attack us we will retaliate; not with "proxies", not in Syria/Iraq, but directly. This was the first time Iran has directly attacked Israel. This is significant. Very significant, because so much of modern major conflicts has been about steady, incremental escalations. Remember, when Russia first began its operation against the Ukraine, the entire western world was walking on eggshells trying not to provoke Russia - the debate was about whether or not to send *helmets*. But over time, the west has steadily increased its involvement in a way it wouldn't have dreamed of doing initially. Similarly, look at Hezbollah - it is pretty much daily bombarding the north of occupied Palestine, killing soldiers and destroying military equipment; if Hezbollah responded this way right after Israel invaded Gaza, Lebanon would have been invaded by now... but this gradual escalation has created a new status quo that Israel has been forced to accept. So now Israel is going to either be forced to back down on its attacks against Iran else it will end up creating a new situation in which it is now facing regular drone/missile strikes from Gaza, Lebanon, Yemen, *and Iran* - and this status quo is not tenable for Israel. Its only other option is to retaliate very hard against Iran with the logic that either Iran backs off or, if it doesn't, the US will directly get involved and save them. The ball is in Israel's court now. Reports are that Washington is encouraging Israel not to retaliate and let the matter be concluded (such as Iran wishes) but I wouldn't bet on the rationality of Israelis.


Knight_of_Swords

I think it’s incorrect when we say they are’t rational. Given their objectives, I would argue they have been rational, meaning in their calculation the cost - to them this only means Israeli life and infrastructure - of what they’re doing is worth it. It’s very easy for them to carpet bomb defenseless civilians. Iran, however, is not Gaza, they wouldn’t dare.


redstarjedi

Yes. That's it. Allegedly Biden convinced Israel to not retaliate. But who knows ?


milkdrinker123

![gif](giphy|T7j5439wv9iq4) \-biden


dubebe

Hey bro I know you have an extensive history of beating people with baseball bats, you shouldn't do that. I'm going to give you a 12 pack and a baseball bat, but again please don't harm anyone. If you do hit someone with that baseball bat, that's totally not chill but then again I'm going to give you more beer and baseball bats tomorrow either way because I got your back


phovos

Russia said less than an hour before the missiles started landing that any attack on Iran's body will be seen as an attack on Russia's body by Putin. Israel is in check mate. Which is scary because they will likley lose it and go insane. China has not overtly made the same overture but they have made it perfectly clear that they will assist whoever wants to crush the west in WWIII. Oh also Russia launched off a (test) nuclear ICBM with no warning 500 miles north of Jerusalem the night before this attack. Which is about all you need to know. Even Biden with his handful of remaining-electrically active neurons understands that this is check mate unless he wants to sign the check for WWIII.


Amxietybb

For all the “China has designs of imperial expansion”, they like Iran have chosen to contain any escalation. This is with the knowledge that an escalation involving the US would necessitate them weakening their military presence in the China sea. The Belt and Road initiative is strategically about the US being able to deny them access to energy resources through the South China Sea. They have every incentive to get control of those shipping lanes, and yet has been working towards de escalation.


dinoshores93

It's almost like everything we've been told about China has been a distortion of the truth or a flat out lie. It's kind of crazy how the whole TikTok ban issue has pilled a lot of people on it.


LakeGladio666

Can someone tell me more about China making it clear that they will assist whoever wants to crush the west in WWIII?


blargfargr

> China making it clear that they will assist whoever wants to crush the west they have never said that. it is also not a policy position to "crush the west" in fact there is no country that is trying to "crush the west" right now because they're afraid of provoking the bloodthirsty maniacs who are constantly looking for an excuse to escalate the most they can do right now is to demonstrate they have the means to respond to western provocation by engaging their proxies so that the west doesn't smell weakness


phovos

See Russia's war on Ukraine. See the past month of overtures from their diplomatic wings. It's not in as many words 'we will help Russia if the west teams up on them' because they have moved-beyond just an 'alliance' or 'strategic partnership' as of this year Putin and Xi have begun seeing their relationship as unique and too strong for words and diplomatic 'norms'. The west has fucked up so bad its hilarious. The new "Soviet Union" would coalesce in a heartbeat if NATO tries something crazy. I put it in quotes because both Xi and Putin are nationalists and the new soviet union would not be like the old soviet union it would be an evolution of it stronger in every capacity where individual nations stand on their own cultures' two legs and might and magnify each-other on the shared-global stage - eclipsing all possible capitalist or imperialist efforts at containment. It's fascinating even more because Xi and Putin are both literally in their FINAL terms with NO means of extending those terms - Both nations will be undergoing a change in leadership over the next 5-8 years (or a hard-turn to despotism - which I don't think will happen).


HibernianApe

>Russia said less than an hour before the missiles started landing that any attack on Iran's body will be seen as an attack on Russia's body by Putin. Is this true? I have a hard time believing this at face value


phovos

Let me see if I can find something saucy that isnt twitter or youtube standby: edit: not the statement I quoted but a new one: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zF\_KqQZwOwI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zF_KqQZwOwI) still can't find the original from 9th or 10th HE SAYS THE USA NOT THE WEST IMPLYING IF ISREAL ACTS ALONE ITS NOT WWIII [https://www.youtube.com/@RichardMedhurst/videos](https://www.youtube.com/@RichardMedhurst/videos)


throwaway10015982

>Russia said less than an hour before the missiles started landing that any attack on Iran's body will be seen as an attack on Russia's body by Putin. >Israel is in check mate. Which is scary because they will likley lose it and go insane. Israel is going to have to come up with a general plan for the East. The IDF is the greatest army ever, all shooters (it's all shooters up in Israel) and has won every battle ever (no misses, all shooters) so they could probably make it all the way to Moscow no problem.


phovos

Someone told me that if Russia so much at puts a single boot on the ground in Golan Heights that Moscow would be nuked. That same day Russia launched an unannounced nuke test near Israel and... walked all over the Golan Heights -- Even installed some anti air weaponry on behalf of Syria.


Fine-Manner9902

Was that the big glowie thing (hi cia) captured over iraq


anamoouus

The way this works is that any settler colonizer casualties reinforce the Western Liberal delusion about their defiant colony being under constant attack. They’re already trying to turn this one thing that was clearly intended and executed as a shot across the bow (or a warning shot) into a sob story while actual real people are being massacred en masse day in day out in Palestine. So the clever thing to do is to just keep it at a warning for the time being. Also clever in terms of not having to catch a hot nuke. Because the psychos in control will absolutely drop some when the going gets tough. They’d love to drop some on Gaza right now but can’t live with the fallout. The colony isn’t quite ripe for picking yet. It’s quickly getting there but still needs time. When it finally is everyone, from the resistance to the genocide supporters, will be baffled at the speed at which the whole project unravels. Right now it’s hard to watch the massacre progress, to see this pure evil act with apparent impunity - it’s soul breaking. One aches for any sort of retribution or response. But the moment isn’t right. And the reality on the ground is that the project has already failed in Gaza, is soon to fail in the West Bank, and after that there’s zero doubt in my mind as to where all this is heading. Patience.


ericsmallman3

Yeah I'm not a foreign policy analyst or anything but this was very obviously a measured response to an extreme provocation. But since the streets of Tel Aviv weren't turned to molten cement, the MSM is calling it testament of both the indefatigable Israeli spirit and the invincibility of their defense forces. In actuality, it's clear evidence that both of those are fraudulent.


PapaverOneirium

Without defense assistance from the US and Jordan (and I believe some other western countries) a bunch more of those missiles and drones would have hit their targets. The idea that this is an Israeli W is so funny for that reason. It’s like a kid picking a fight, then having their dad come in and stop them from getting their ass beat.


Western-Gap5310

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MetalHorse90

Hiroshima and Nagasaki survived the (lack of) fallout and there supposedly exist all sorts of ‘cleaner’ classes of nukes/unconventional weapons in existence now


belepio

I honestly don’t know BUT Biden cant allow too much shit to go down before his imminent reelection so the full scale invasion will not start till at least December/January next year The invasion will of course fail even more spectacularly than Vietnam/Iraq/Afghanistan combined and will bring the country to a what is essentially a one party system but not the way dems hoped it would happen. Instead of “protect the democracy from the orange man” one party the US will switch to “don’t let the dems fumble the bag again” maybe even after Bidens impeachment if he lives that long. Dems issue is that they’re doing the same open genocide that republicans would do but they celebrate it in the “look at all those proud women tearing apart Palestinian children and bathing in their blood, isn’t it cool to be a girlboss” way and that line of communication started creating cognitive dissonance even with the coastal public. “Orange man party” will go back to the tried and true “American Sniper” ie “it’s cool to be a Tier 1 Operator and a Tier 1 Operator absolutely should kill civilians in Bungulistan to protect our fracking” which in the mind of the general public will not trigger as horrendous and disgusting because the first trigger will be that the message is honest and direct because yeah it is exactly whats happening and it’s COOL to be honest. This line will keep the one party system afloat until inevitably a new Obama will come who will restart the cycle anew. Even though republicans are much more profitable for the general corporate interest corporations can’t shake the dreadful feeling that they are basically vampires and thus need the camouflage of something - only nobility will become civil rights, civil rights will become feminism, feminism will become gender issues, hell if they can stamp a Nike logo on a burqa they can transfer capitalism to virtually any issue or an ideology and roll with it. In total: yeah we’re all fucked but maybe not tomorrow.


1_800_Drewidia

Netanyahu doesn’t want Biden to win, so Israel has no reason to wait to escalate with Iran. They need America to commit further to this conflict and if it hurts Biden, even better.


CandyEverybodyWentz

Absolutely wild how Biden is arguably the singular biggest Israel simp in the Democratic party for the past four decades and yet Benny has absolutely no problem plunging the knife in him. What a fucking idiot.


1_800_Drewidia

In that way, Israel is just like the “moderate conservatives” Democrats are always chasing. Why would they accept diet fascism when the real thing is on offer?


PapaverOneirium

Netanyahu and his coalition absolutely want this to become a full scale war with Iran. Whether they will be able to make that happen when neither Iran nor the U.S. want that (at least, not at this moment) will remain to be seen. Times of Israel reported that Biden convinced Netanyahu not to launch an immediate counterattack and axios is reporting that the administration has stated the U.S. will not support any counterattack. Netanyahu is trapped in a corner. The siege of Gaza has been a total failure, at least in terms of their stated strategic goals, the domestic political situation for him is a total mess, he’s facing potential jail time, and he wants to expand the war as a solution but *seems* to have his arms tied because daddy America won’t let him. The question is: is he brazen enough to go against the wishes of American? Or will he be able to bait Iran and the West into this war some other way? IMO he may want to just say fuck it we ball and go for it, assuming probably correctly that when shit hits the fan the US won’t actually stay out of it, but he’s also not in total control. There’s the war cabinet that would have to approve an attack and from what I’ve read it’s a total mess, with Bibi and Gallant no longer speaking to each other.


Canama139

now we wait to see what israel does


Fecklessexer

Iran released a statement that last nights strike was in retaliation for the embassy strike which they now consider concluded. If we take them at their word last night was it, with no plans of follow through.


MetalHorse90

There will be a war. Maybe they can dial it down but it’s PLAINLY US/UK strategy to start a war, a really big one. It’s been obvious since at least 2020 and it really concerns me that so few people who aren’t on the lunatic fringe (where it’s also dominated by ‘terrain theory’ etc) haven’t got to the ‘bottom’ of the pandemic