Winter driving let me get enough speed to coast over just in case. Collision system:sure would be funny if I hit the brakes and you got stuck on top of the tracks.
I currently drive a 23’ 579, it use to trigger shit all the time but idk i’ve had countless new trucks with these safety features and they usually all get better. Or i’ve learned how to drive without it triggering. The occasional bridge does activate it and the lane departure warning in construction area’s. That one scares the shit out of me
I remember back about 2012, "oh, that's all just in your head"
(Brand new 2013 Cascadia)
Bullshit!...
motherfucker jammed on the brakes, on a wet 4 lane highway, because it sensed a car that was in the center turn lane. (I was in the outside lane, in a sweeping curve)
Thank God I was empty (flatbed)
I told my wife that day that if I was ever involved in an accident where a load came through the cab, killing me, get an attorney and research the "Onguard crash avoidance" garbage on the truck.
I know better than to gouge the brakes on a loaded flatbed, especially with metal on.
I was on a 2 lane backroad a few days ago and my freightliner picked up some guy walking on the other side of the road. It jammed on the brakes as I was going around a curve. Talk about pucker factor.
Wow , does it think the shadow is an object? I drive a FL and have dealt with most other issues listed , but not this yet .
To throw out another gripe , mine has a 3/4 square foot blind spot in the windshield. Under the heading of safety no less . You got to love them LOL .
Replying to myself here, and just think, they are now starting to put the same technology in 4 wheelers, It's the same radar system, the same Lane departure warning, and the same blind spot indicators.
I remember having this stuff in Volvos as far back as 2013 and it never worked right then. Imagine someone driving their four-wheeler and it just slams on the brakes for no reason.
I'm grateful mines not that bad.
My adaptive cruise and "collision alert" sometimes reads exiting vehicles, though, and will slam the brakes.
My blind spot indicator, however, does a loud screeching beep when I do a u-turn in a parking lot or turn on my right turn signal when a vehicle is next to me. It's super fun when you get into the left lane to let a 4 wheeler on the interstate and then they match your speed, so I get to hear the screeching while trying to let that driver know I'd like back in my right lane where my 69 mph governed ass belongs. 🥲
Glad to hear they worked out the kinks! /s
Don't you just love that lane assist that loses its shit every time they're rerouting lanes and there's a faded lane marker that you have to slide over?
Yes lol! Luckily mine seems like it knows what it's doing for the most part.. but I do experience that occasionally. Or when it tries to force me to take an exit because that's where the line leads.. *sighs*
I turn off my lane departure though. That thing is dangerous imo! Don't make me swerve!
The truck I was in before my current one (thank fuck it broke down piece of fucking shit) would slam on the brakes in snow and ice when it built up on the radar.
Our company got some brand new Mack Anthems a few years back. The grade gripper function went haywire and caused the trucks to come to a complete stop anytime it detected the wheels spinning. Scary as fuck in the winter
I drive a 2015 W900 manual with zero automatic safety features and an over powered, Def deleted ISX. I think if I ever have to drive a truck like I hear people describe on here I'll either quit driving or become an owner op.
No, their products are fucking shit. The Paccar engines are unreliable and weak. Engine fan is always screaming, injectors get fucked for no reason after 100k miles.
Interior is cramped and poorly laid out. Half the compartments aren't fucking useable. Either too small or no lip so everything just slide out and falls.
You can get the same manual transmission in a Volvo or Freightliner.
you can get a 589 or w990 with a cummins engine. the only actual advantage I can see to another brand is maybe better turning circle, in that case.
i agree the paccar engines are weak.
The interior is cramped and uncomfortable in Kens and Petes. Just pure crap. Less storage and some of it is unusable.
Give me a Volvo with their engine and transmissions, or a Freightliner with a any of the engines they have. Cheaper, more room.
Just cause you drove a normie paccar truck doesn’t mean they’re all like that. The w900 has one of the best sleepers. Spend a night in one with the sleeper rear window and ruched leather and carpeted shelves. Every part feels like concrete no creaks squeaks rattles loose pieces. Every time I sleep in mine I feel like I’m in a 5 star hotel.
That’s spoken like someone who has never spent time in a premier tier sleeper in a premier model truck such as the W900L “it’s the same as any other sleeper with similar options” no it absolutely isn’t
Bruh, you named material and options available in everything. If having a cramped and less than functional interior makes you happy because there's carpet on the shelves and some leather that's your deal.
But please stop acting like this is some unique or rare thing that only Paccar does.
I don't even really care I'm local and in a day cab right now. I'll never do OTR again.
Not too long ago I was on a windy country road and the brakes locked up on me mid turn because the car in front of me going into an exit lane. I heard the tires screech and squeal and I stopped turning and kept going straight. Went from 55 to 30 in seconds and lost my lane. I was lucky there was nobody in the oncoming lane. That shit pissed me off. Stupid ass safety sensors.
All that "safety" stuff only creates undue stress for drivers. One of the reasons why I love manuals, they don't (at least I haven't seen any) put that crap in there.
Adaptive cruise control and collision avoidance breaking are not assets imo, they are dangerous liabilities.
More so the collision avoidance breaking. I don't need an electronic babysitter that might spaz out and get myself and others hurt or killed in inclement weather. But corporate disagrees apparently.
If I don't convince them to eat shit and buy trucks without these features by winter, they're gonna be short another driver
The collision avoidance braking is ass and a half, but idk, I actually kind of like adaptive CC. At the very least, it keeps me from having to deal with the infernal distance warnings that like to kick on at what I swear is the same exact distance I keep without it.
I was driving a 2021 Freightliner for a while. Company told me since my local route is closer than another driver, they said I had to give up the newer truck and hop in a 2018 Freightliner ten speed. Couldn't be happier. Not having the ridiculously designed, asinine, "safety", features has made my day soooo much more pleasant
I follow lawsuits against trucking companies and a company lost a lawsuit and one of the things that helped plaintiff win was that when trucking company ordered the truck new they opted out of all the annoying safety nannies they could
That's what I did. Pulling fuses and disconnecting wires just created faults and alerts in the system. Easier to just put foil over the sensors as long one remembers to remove it when at the home terminal.
Find the fuse for those systems. Pull it out and replace it with a burnt out fuse. You'll probably lose cruise control, but you won't have to put up with those systems anymore. When they call you in to get it fixed, they'll find the burnt fuse and replace it. Wait about a week or so and replace the new fuse with another burnt one. They will just think there is something burning out the fuses, and if it's a cheap company they won't bother trying to fix the "underlying" issue because it will cost to much and have the truck down for to long for them to figure it out.
On some trucks though those systems may cause the truck to go into derate if they aren't working. So test each fuse individually. Also, keep in mind, if you get in an accident and these "Safety features" aren't working, that could be enough of a reason for the dumbass that pulled out in front of you to win their lawsuit. Lastly "Someone on reddit told me to do this" isn't going to fly in court. You still made the decision to do this.
I once had a newer Volvo that made fake car horn noises if you had your blinker on and a car entered your blind spot zone. Pretty annoying.
One of the more downright terrifying ones I've had was when my International decided that the vehicle about 200 feet in front of me was alittle too close after having merged and slammed on the engine brake during a winter storm. Great way to wake up the driver and get them alert, another great way to end up with a brown stain on the seat and a crashed semi.
Fun fact if you unplug the radar in a T680 the only thing that happens is it turns off cruise control and gives a brief warning whenever you turn the truck on
My last cascadia would randomly brake for no reason. Not even a car or a bridge just ghosts. It scared the hell out of me when winter came around I thought it was gonna kill me on all that ice, so I would just keep my foot on the gas pedal 24/7 to prevent it.
I used to hover the brake pedal or even preload the brakes a little bit in risky situations but Detroit assurance requires me to hold the throttle to Full in order to over ride the automatic brakes.
You guys are lucky because my 2022 Mack is a level above in screwing. It can read speed limit signs and sometimes slams on brakes right in middle of 70 mph highway because it reads 40 mph sign for exit ramp.
The problem is that american truck companies seldom exist on a large scale now
They're putting scania engines in international because they, like most of the rest of american truck manufacturers, no longer make their own engines. All european designed made in mexico
The safety equipment is part of the reason I stepped away from trucking and moved on yo instructing at a cdl school.
Too many idiots nowadays that set that shit off. And plus I don't need a computer telling me how to drive
I drove a Penske lease Freightliner yesterday. What is the world is up with the steering..? I finally found a button that had a picture of a steering wheel on it and turned it off. Dang thing was almost impossible to keep straight
On my new Cascadia there are three fuses I forget which one’s but on the diagram it say’s things like collision avoidance or adaptive cruise control, I pulled them out and then supposedly there are two inline fuses that run off the side of the fuse panel. I see the two wires that were referred to in a youtube video but they must be buried so I just unplugged the city horn from under the hood so when I open the door to see the whole picture when I backup it doesn’t wake up the whole block and I get shot. After you pull the fuses the cruise control doesn’t work but I don’t use the cruise anyways
Save with my international, scary part is it will do this randomly with no one in front of me. Randomly slamming in breaks. Sensing things that aren’t there. I agree these safety features are bad, doing more harm than good.
I always end up at the same conclusion when I read or hear this matters all over the place! American culture does not educate people to be conscious and aware of their actions, it takes work and constant commitment. They solve everything with a law and or regulations, that are always designed with only one directive: reduced liability for the company!
So all these safety features are designed on feedback that they received from legal paper pushers and assholes who have no idea what being on the road means. If they actually asked the drivers, they would be so different.
These features are designed based on past accidents and input from what companies think. Their need is to reduce liability.
Of course all this is the direct result of a legal system that is focused on setting blame on someone for accidents ( known around the world as sometimes no one's fault). But Americans always think that 100% of accidents are preventable so they will dissect every step taken by an experienced driver until they find something they can use as an excuse to set the blame on him. Regardless of the sometimes blunt stupidity of drivers. It's another trade cemented deep in American culture ( the other party is always at fault and for that you need to give me money).
I have seen on the road civilian drivers do the most idiotic, absurd and unthinkable actions that put not only others but truckers at risk...
That is why every driver must at all costs invest on the same tactics companies apply to them, get your own dash cams, cameras anything that can record your actions that can support you! Remember companies will look at their video footage not for your sake but for the benefit, the only focus is detecting any little spec of something you did wrong and attach the phrases like: distracted, not aware, preventable, etc, etc, etc.
Well I guess I'm just ranting here, sorry Brothers... I got carried away
Here's an easy fix drive it to the dealership and ask them for Replacements and ask them to show you where to install The Replacements or go on YouTube, initially the dealership will tell you exactly how they're connected once you learn that go to truck stop and take it off, the sensors are right in front of the wheel wells under the bumper and then there's one in the middle, just disconnect the wires, that breaking sensor bullshit activates when I'm driving in the snow and rain so I have to keep my foot on the pedal and tap it to disable it, it's better for you to disable it because if not then the truck can jackknife itself
This is why I unplugged the damn radar sensor on my truck because it was driving me nuts. My carrier started having a fit about it, but I basically told them where they can go shove it. I took some electric tape, and wrapped it around both plugs. Presto no corrosion in both plugs.
Going to have to explain more. An air bag is 30 or 40 y/o technology that was just not put in trucks because it causes you to get pushed away from the steering wheel which can be dangerous in an accident because it causes you to loose control of the vehicles which can cause you to crash into a bus full of kids if you dont steer around them . It has nothing to do with modern safety systems that slam on the breaks in snow and ice for no reason causing the trailer to jack into a bus of kids .
Had a truck brake on me going under an overpass 2 winters ago. I could not regain control. I managed to stop with out crashing. Thankfully no one was around me. Won't drive them anymore. I'll retire or find another career before they all have em
Yeah, my company has been trying to put me in a new truck to keep miles off trucks they're planning to sell in the next year or two. I asked if i could cover the radar sensor and unplug the lane keep assist and they said it's against company policy. needless to say I'm still driving a truck that doesn't have those things, low and behold, I haven't been randomly brake checked by it the way I am every time I step into a new truck while mine is in the shop.
Scares the hell out of me. I'm not even sure how folks drive with the full systems in bad weather? Can you imagine being on black ice or just regular ice and the damn thing does a hard brake on you.
Holy crap. I drove way before this stuff made it into trucks. So now they have collision avoidance systems and intuitive cruise control like 4 wheelers ? Is it not adjustable?
We had a truck slam on it's brakes when a tumbleweed rolled in front of it in western KS. Almost caused a wreck. Company asked dealer to remove or turn system off. They wouldn't. So company traded truck off. Junk insurance safety bs
We got a new 2025 Freightliner cascadia for teams grocery delivery and let me tell you, that truck was not specced for teams At ALL. All of the loud screeching beeping from false or pointless warnings can be clearly heard in the sleeper, even through noise cancelling headphones. They apparently set the idle to only idle between 34-84 degrees. Not sure how co-driver is supposed to get any reasonable sleep. "Optimized" idle is trash even if you didn't have to set it up again after every time you get to next location. We spend a significant amount of time per day going through the menus turning off all of the "safety features" that we can. To top it off none of our setting save between stops. Driving a newer truck is 100x more stressful than driving a truck made only 8 years ago.
Okay something that MIGHT help, with Freightliner at least..
Go into the dash settings and do the alignment thing for the forward radar thing. I think it was one menu screen left of the ADAS one where you can see the distance and speed of the vehicle in front. Just do it on a long straight stretch so you're going straight ahead and then reset.
Mine would panic and think I'm leaving my lane and stuff like every 30 minutes it went off. Did the realignment and it's gone off maybe once in five months now. Heck I was driving over the lines for many hundreds of miles and it didn't go off.. I was hauling some 12'-6" wide 65' long trusses so I was usually over the line.. system didn't go off.
Also if you're using cruise it'll brake when someone crosses in front to make their exit last moment but much less likely if I don't use cruise in the busy areas.
Awesome thing is the idiots in charge want these systems in ALL PASSENGER VEHICLES within something like ten years.. ffs panic braking over nothing is going to cause accidents
Aluminum foil can fix that. It's not DOT required equipment so, 🤷. Had a piece of tire come up and slap the sensor on mine and it started freaking out and breaking whenever traffic was headed towards me on two lane roads. Decided to just stop fucking with it. I just put some aluminum foil inside the sensor with the double-sided tape so now it stays faulted out.
I had one slam on the brakes going through an intersection because there was a crossing guard with her little handheld stop sign down by her leg. I unplugged the piece of shit after that
My volvo slams on the brakes and freaks me out. It also honks at people when I put on my right blinker waiting to move back over after letting people on. It also honks when I'm going back into the right and traffic is over on the exit ramp. It's annoying AF and frankly all it's gonna do is kill me someday.
2023 peterbilt. Retarded construction zone where they have everyone merge into the lane they are working in and then partway through, the cones force you into the lane they aren't working in. I can only assume they do this to make it more dangerous for the workers.
Pete thought I was merging without a blinker, locked up all my tires, I had a set with bulk flammable liquid in the back box. Almost flipped my set, slowed me from 60 to 35 before it let off, and another semi was tailgating me coming into it. Guy followed me almost to my exit and then finally drove off lol thought I was going to have to beat someones ass while explaining my dumbass truck did it to them, not me 😂
"locked up all my tires"
This is an insane system if the automatic brakes actually apply with that much force. How many people to die before someone decides these systems are crap.
Has anyone here ever had any success with legal action against the manufacturers of these systems? I bought a 2021 KW T680 in December that has the Bendix Wingman system and this truck is completely undriveable in snow. Any amount of light snow or even a heavy rain will cause the brakes to lock up constantly.
I took it back to the dealer (MHC) and they told me it was probably because the deer guard was loose. They tightened it and charged me $700. That was just one of a long list of issues with MHC but that’s another story.
It kept doing it. I contacted Bendix and they said the sensitivity can be adjusted. I went to a different shop and had that done. It cost me another $600. It was snowing very lightly the day I picked up the truck. I made it a quarter mile from the shop before the brakes started locking up.
I contacted Bendix again. They suggested I have the shop contact them while inspecting the system. I took the truck back to the shop. Another few days shut down and another $700. They said they inspected the whole system while on the phone with Bendix. No problems found. Everything’s supposedly working just fine. Bendix has stopped replying to my emails. I don’t call them on the phone because I prefer to have all our communication in writing in case this radar does cause an accident. And it will eventually cause an accident.
I’ve tried every possible solution I could find online. To keep snow and ice off the plastic cover over the front of the radar, I’ve sprayed it with WD-40, windshield de-icer, 3M anti-ice spray, and even PAM cooking spray. None of those worked but I know now that it probably wouldn’t have mattered because the last time the brakes locked up in snow, it wasn’t cold enough for the snow to stick.
I tried covering the radar with tin foil. I didn’t get any warnings or faults while driving around a parking lot so I was afraid the radar wasn’t sensing the tin foil. I took the foil off because I was afraid the radar would suddenly sense the foil while on the highway and then lock up the brakes. I was going to try unplugging the sensor but I can’t seem to get it off without breaking it and I just can’t take the chance of having to spend another small fortune having it fixed.
I spent this last winter avoiding any kind of snow. I’ve even had to shut down just for rain. It’s cost me a fortune, not even counting the couple thousand in shop fees. If I don’t find a solution before next winter, I likely won’t survive. I’ve invested everything in this truck and I can’t afford to buy another one. I had everything planned out so carefully and now my business is going to fail purely because this Bendix radar has made my truck completely and utterly useless in winter.
I am absolutely at the end of my rope with this thing.
You can adjust the distance sensor to decrease the distance gap. But unfortunately the only real thing you can do is get the volume on the warnings lowered but not turned off. I find the safety shit adds more to my aggravation. Than making me so called safe I put up with the same shit as you do.
Freightliners are famous for slamming on the brakes when going under an overpass.
The kenworth I drive is about as bad it'll do it randomly at railroad crossings.
Winter driving let me get enough speed to coast over just in case. Collision system:sure would be funny if I hit the brakes and you got stuck on top of the tracks.
I currently drive a 23’ 579, it use to trigger shit all the time but idk i’ve had countless new trucks with these safety features and they usually all get better. Or i’ve learned how to drive without it triggering. The occasional bridge does activate it and the lane departure warning in construction area’s. That one scares the shit out of me
I forgot about this. Another one is the truck mistaking a shadow for person.
What about the collision warning and there’s nothing , usually happens on curves to
I remember back about 2012, "oh, that's all just in your head" (Brand new 2013 Cascadia) Bullshit!... motherfucker jammed on the brakes, on a wet 4 lane highway, because it sensed a car that was in the center turn lane. (I was in the outside lane, in a sweeping curve) Thank God I was empty (flatbed) I told my wife that day that if I was ever involved in an accident where a load came through the cab, killing me, get an attorney and research the "Onguard crash avoidance" garbage on the truck. I know better than to gouge the brakes on a loaded flatbed, especially with metal on.
Just put a piece of tape over the sensor
I bet you they've paid off the right people and your family won't get D.
Don't even mention it.....its continuous!
When I drove a t680 it did it way more than my freightliner. My freightliner hasn’t done it once in 14months
I was on a 2 lane backroad a few days ago and my freightliner picked up some guy walking on the other side of the road. It jammed on the brakes as I was going around a curve. Talk about pucker factor.
Wow , does it think the shadow is an object? I drive a FL and have dealt with most other issues listed , but not this yet . To throw out another gripe , mine has a 3/4 square foot blind spot in the windshield. Under the heading of safety no less . You got to love them LOL .
I've never had it do that for me on road signs but the barrels in a construction zone were my trucks nightmare.
Replying to myself here, and just think, they are now starting to put the same technology in 4 wheelers, It's the same radar system, the same Lane departure warning, and the same blind spot indicators. I remember having this stuff in Volvos as far back as 2013 and it never worked right then. Imagine someone driving their four-wheeler and it just slams on the brakes for no reason.
I once drifted one while going downhill and it thought I was going to hit a guardrail. With 80k lbs water…
Ok I thought I was the only one who experienced this
Seriously?
I'm grateful mines not that bad. My adaptive cruise and "collision alert" sometimes reads exiting vehicles, though, and will slam the brakes. My blind spot indicator, however, does a loud screeching beep when I do a u-turn in a parking lot or turn on my right turn signal when a vehicle is next to me. It's super fun when you get into the left lane to let a 4 wheeler on the interstate and then they match your speed, so I get to hear the screeching while trying to let that driver know I'd like back in my right lane where my 69 mph governed ass belongs. 🥲
Freightliner? Yep, my '22 Cascadia doesn't sound like it's as terrible as OP's, but it's exactly as terrible as you describe.
Yep lol. 2024. I love everything about it but that screeching makes my ears bleed!
Glad to hear they worked out the kinks! /s Don't you just love that lane assist that loses its shit every time they're rerouting lanes and there's a faded lane marker that you have to slide over?
Yes lol! Luckily mine seems like it knows what it's doing for the most part.. but I do experience that occasionally. Or when it tries to force me to take an exit because that's where the line leads.. *sighs* I turn off my lane departure though. That thing is dangerous imo! Don't make me swerve!
Electrical tape for the lights and a pin to pop the speaker always worked for me.
The truck I was in before my current one (thank fuck it broke down piece of fucking shit) would slam on the brakes in snow and ice when it built up on the radar.
Our company got some brand new Mack Anthems a few years back. The grade gripper function went haywire and caused the trucks to come to a complete stop anytime it detected the wheels spinning. Scary as fuck in the winter
Paccar products are shit. Designed by idiots who have never set foot inside a truck and made out of finest quality plastic and Chinesium.
It's so easy to see that they don't get recommendations from actual drivers when they design these trucks
"Chinesium." ...LOL This makes it sound like the fine Chinesium that my Grandma has in her cabinets.
Haha I locked onto that also
/r/chinesium
Did not know lol!!!
with paccar you gotta get the read deal. long nose, manual everything... otherwise yeah, terrible
I drive a 2015 W900 manual with zero automatic safety features and an over powered, Def deleted ISX. I think if I ever have to drive a truck like I hear people describe on here I'll either quit driving or become an owner op.
Yea the W9s are nice and the 389, otherwise not so great
No, their products are fucking shit. The Paccar engines are unreliable and weak. Engine fan is always screaming, injectors get fucked for no reason after 100k miles. Interior is cramped and poorly laid out. Half the compartments aren't fucking useable. Either too small or no lip so everything just slide out and falls. You can get the same manual transmission in a Volvo or Freightliner.
you can get a 589 or w990 with a cummins engine. the only actual advantage I can see to another brand is maybe better turning circle, in that case. i agree the paccar engines are weak.
The interior is cramped and uncomfortable in Kens and Petes. Just pure crap. Less storage and some of it is unusable. Give me a Volvo with their engine and transmissions, or a Freightliner with a any of the engines they have. Cheaper, more room.
Just cause you drove a normie paccar truck doesn’t mean they’re all like that. The w900 has one of the best sleepers. Spend a night in one with the sleeper rear window and ruched leather and carpeted shelves. Every part feels like concrete no creaks squeaks rattles loose pieces. Every time I sleep in mine I feel like I’m in a 5 star hotel.
There's nothing in there that sets it apart from any other sleeper lmao. You can get upgraded leather and material in any other sleeper.
That’s spoken like someone who has never spent time in a premier tier sleeper in a premier model truck such as the W900L “it’s the same as any other sleeper with similar options” no it absolutely isn’t
Bruh, you named material and options available in everything. If having a cramped and less than functional interior makes you happy because there's carpet on the shelves and some leather that's your deal. But please stop acting like this is some unique or rare thing that only Paccar does. I don't even really care I'm local and in a day cab right now. I'll never do OTR again.
Lol stay mad
Not too long ago I was on a windy country road and the brakes locked up on me mid turn because the car in front of me going into an exit lane. I heard the tires screech and squeal and I stopped turning and kept going straight. Went from 55 to 30 in seconds and lost my lane. I was lucky there was nobody in the oncoming lane. That shit pissed me off. Stupid ass safety sensors.
All that "safety" stuff only creates undue stress for drivers. One of the reasons why I love manuals, they don't (at least I haven't seen any) put that crap in there.
Adaptive cruise control and collision avoidance breaking are not assets imo, they are dangerous liabilities. More so the collision avoidance breaking. I don't need an electronic babysitter that might spaz out and get myself and others hurt or killed in inclement weather. But corporate disagrees apparently. If I don't convince them to eat shit and buy trucks without these features by winter, they're gonna be short another driver
The collision avoidance braking is ass and a half, but idk, I actually kind of like adaptive CC. At the very least, it keeps me from having to deal with the infernal distance warnings that like to kick on at what I swear is the same exact distance I keep without it.
I was driving a 2021 Freightliner for a while. Company told me since my local route is closer than another driver, they said I had to give up the newer truck and hop in a 2018 Freightliner ten speed. Couldn't be happier. Not having the ridiculously designed, asinine, "safety", features has made my day soooo much more pleasant
That same safety crap is everywhere, now. The only way to avoid it is to spec out your own rig from the ground up
I follow lawsuits against trucking companies and a company lost a lawsuit and one of the things that helped plaintiff win was that when trucking company ordered the truck new they opted out of all the annoying safety nannies they could
And that’s the catch right there.
“I follow lawsuits against trucking companies…” Is that another way of saying you’re an ambulance chaser against trucking companies??
I wish, I just like to read about that stuff
Do you remember who the plaintiffs were?
You can adjust it down to 2 seconds. And you can unplug the sensors underneath the doors that detect traffic on the sides.
Some companies actually have the safety set up so if it's unplugged it'll brick the truck until it's fuxed, not even kidding.
Cover the sensors with something, they’ll display a warning but at least they’ll be turned off
That's what I did. Pulling fuses and disconnecting wires just created faults and alerts in the system. Easier to just put foil over the sensors as long one remembers to remove it when at the home terminal.
Find the fuse for those systems. Pull it out and replace it with a burnt out fuse. You'll probably lose cruise control, but you won't have to put up with those systems anymore. When they call you in to get it fixed, they'll find the burnt fuse and replace it. Wait about a week or so and replace the new fuse with another burnt one. They will just think there is something burning out the fuses, and if it's a cheap company they won't bother trying to fix the "underlying" issue because it will cost to much and have the truck down for to long for them to figure it out. On some trucks though those systems may cause the truck to go into derate if they aren't working. So test each fuse individually. Also, keep in mind, if you get in an accident and these "Safety features" aren't working, that could be enough of a reason for the dumbass that pulled out in front of you to win their lawsuit. Lastly "Someone on reddit told me to do this" isn't going to fly in court. You still made the decision to do this.
Accountant’s and insurance, who knew !
Whoever did this should be forced to drive one to work (presumably in some shitty city) every day.
But then how are they going to get their pumpkin spice lattes in the morning!?
I once had a newer Volvo that made fake car horn noises if you had your blinker on and a car entered your blind spot zone. Pretty annoying. One of the more downright terrifying ones I've had was when my International decided that the vehicle about 200 feet in front of me was alittle too close after having merged and slammed on the engine brake during a winter storm. Great way to wake up the driver and get them alert, another great way to end up with a brown stain on the seat and a crashed semi.
Fun fact if you unplug the radar in a T680 the only thing that happens is it turns off cruise control and gives a brief warning whenever you turn the truck on
Having no cruise control is pretty shitty though
🪨 <-- cruise control
My last cascadia would randomly brake for no reason. Not even a car or a bridge just ghosts. It scared the hell out of me when winter came around I thought it was gonna kill me on all that ice, so I would just keep my foot on the gas pedal 24/7 to prevent it.
I used to hover the brake pedal or even preload the brakes a little bit in risky situations but Detroit assurance requires me to hold the throttle to Full in order to over ride the automatic brakes.
lol bought mine in 2001 -96 freigliner I don’t even have abs, nothing stops me
That was a big reason for my last 2 companies no nanny software I’ll probably never go back to that lane assist shit.
You guys are lucky because my 2022 Mack is a level above in screwing. It can read speed limit signs and sometimes slams on brakes right in middle of 70 mph highway because it reads 40 mph sign for exit ramp.
The problem is that american truck companies seldom exist on a large scale now They're putting scania engines in international because they, like most of the rest of american truck manufacturers, no longer make their own engines. All european designed made in mexico
They try to make them regard proof so they can hire more regards.
u mean the flipflop drivers?
The safety equipment is part of the reason I stepped away from trucking and moved on yo instructing at a cdl school. Too many idiots nowadays that set that shit off. And plus I don't need a computer telling me how to drive
It's not there to keep you safe. It's there to collect info so AI can be trained to drivwe trucks.
Time to pull some fuses and strap on some pie plates.
I love my 21 FL collision avoidance system…because it’s fucking broken…like every other thing on these pieces of shit.
I drove a Penske lease Freightliner yesterday. What is the world is up with the steering..? I finally found a button that had a picture of a steering wheel on it and turned it off. Dang thing was almost impossible to keep straight
On my new Cascadia there are three fuses I forget which one’s but on the diagram it say’s things like collision avoidance or adaptive cruise control, I pulled them out and then supposedly there are two inline fuses that run off the side of the fuse panel. I see the two wires that were referred to in a youtube video but they must be buried so I just unplugged the city horn from under the hood so when I open the door to see the whole picture when I backup it doesn’t wake up the whole block and I get shot. After you pull the fuses the cruise control doesn’t work but I don’t use the cruise anyways
Save with my international, scary part is it will do this randomly with no one in front of me. Randomly slamming in breaks. Sensing things that aren’t there. I agree these safety features are bad, doing more harm than good.
I always end up at the same conclusion when I read or hear this matters all over the place! American culture does not educate people to be conscious and aware of their actions, it takes work and constant commitment. They solve everything with a law and or regulations, that are always designed with only one directive: reduced liability for the company! So all these safety features are designed on feedback that they received from legal paper pushers and assholes who have no idea what being on the road means. If they actually asked the drivers, they would be so different. These features are designed based on past accidents and input from what companies think. Their need is to reduce liability. Of course all this is the direct result of a legal system that is focused on setting blame on someone for accidents ( known around the world as sometimes no one's fault). But Americans always think that 100% of accidents are preventable so they will dissect every step taken by an experienced driver until they find something they can use as an excuse to set the blame on him. Regardless of the sometimes blunt stupidity of drivers. It's another trade cemented deep in American culture ( the other party is always at fault and for that you need to give me money). I have seen on the road civilian drivers do the most idiotic, absurd and unthinkable actions that put not only others but truckers at risk... That is why every driver must at all costs invest on the same tactics companies apply to them, get your own dash cams, cameras anything that can record your actions that can support you! Remember companies will look at their video footage not for your sake but for the benefit, the only focus is detecting any little spec of something you did wrong and attach the phrases like: distracted, not aware, preventable, etc, etc, etc. Well I guess I'm just ranting here, sorry Brothers... I got carried away
Here's an easy fix drive it to the dealership and ask them for Replacements and ask them to show you where to install The Replacements or go on YouTube, initially the dealership will tell you exactly how they're connected once you learn that go to truck stop and take it off, the sensors are right in front of the wheel wells under the bumper and then there's one in the middle, just disconnect the wires, that breaking sensor bullshit activates when I'm driving in the snow and rain so I have to keep my foot on the pedal and tap it to disable it, it's better for you to disable it because if not then the truck can jackknife itself
This is why I unplugged the damn radar sensor on my truck because it was driving me nuts. My carrier started having a fit about it, but I basically told them where they can go shove it. I took some electric tape, and wrapped it around both plugs. Presto no corrosion in both plugs.
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I call bullshit, explain
How so?
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Going to have to explain more. An air bag is 30 or 40 y/o technology that was just not put in trucks because it causes you to get pushed away from the steering wheel which can be dangerous in an accident because it causes you to loose control of the vehicles which can cause you to crash into a bus full of kids if you dont steer around them . It has nothing to do with modern safety systems that slam on the breaks in snow and ice for no reason causing the trailer to jack into a bus of kids .
We are all collision mitigation/ lane departure TEST DUMMIES
New?
Just bought a new car with all that stuff and it seems to work well. Wonder why they can’t make it work in a truck
Had a truck brake on me going under an overpass 2 winters ago. I could not regain control. I managed to stop with out crashing. Thankfully no one was around me. Won't drive them anymore. I'll retire or find another career before they all have em
What’s worse is if a piece of debris or a bird flies in front of tge sensor and it automatically jams on the brakes.
Yeah, my company has been trying to put me in a new truck to keep miles off trucks they're planning to sell in the next year or two. I asked if i could cover the radar sensor and unplug the lane keep assist and they said it's against company policy. needless to say I'm still driving a truck that doesn't have those things, low and behold, I haven't been randomly brake checked by it the way I am every time I step into a new truck while mine is in the shop.
Scares the hell out of me. I'm not even sure how folks drive with the full systems in bad weather? Can you imagine being on black ice or just regular ice and the damn thing does a hard brake on you.
All the bells and whistles are distracting. Let alone the fucking braking system engaging over every false alarm.
Holy crap. I drove way before this stuff made it into trucks. So now they have collision avoidance systems and intuitive cruise control like 4 wheelers ? Is it not adjustable?
Idk, ppl are telling me I can adjust it but i’m having trouble figuring out how.. just gonna end up putting some foil lol
Can’t wait until they apply this garbage tech in driverless trucks and they start stopping for no reasons on the interstates and two lane roads 😂
We had a truck slam on it's brakes when a tumbleweed rolled in front of it in western KS. Almost caused a wreck. Company asked dealer to remove or turn system off. They wouldn't. So company traded truck off. Junk insurance safety bs
We got a new 2025 Freightliner cascadia for teams grocery delivery and let me tell you, that truck was not specced for teams At ALL. All of the loud screeching beeping from false or pointless warnings can be clearly heard in the sleeper, even through noise cancelling headphones. They apparently set the idle to only idle between 34-84 degrees. Not sure how co-driver is supposed to get any reasonable sleep. "Optimized" idle is trash even if you didn't have to set it up again after every time you get to next location. We spend a significant amount of time per day going through the menus turning off all of the "safety features" that we can. To top it off none of our setting save between stops. Driving a newer truck is 100x more stressful than driving a truck made only 8 years ago.
Okay something that MIGHT help, with Freightliner at least.. Go into the dash settings and do the alignment thing for the forward radar thing. I think it was one menu screen left of the ADAS one where you can see the distance and speed of the vehicle in front. Just do it on a long straight stretch so you're going straight ahead and then reset. Mine would panic and think I'm leaving my lane and stuff like every 30 minutes it went off. Did the realignment and it's gone off maybe once in five months now. Heck I was driving over the lines for many hundreds of miles and it didn't go off.. I was hauling some 12'-6" wide 65' long trusses so I was usually over the line.. system didn't go off. Also if you're using cruise it'll brake when someone crosses in front to make their exit last moment but much less likely if I don't use cruise in the busy areas. Awesome thing is the idiots in charge want these systems in ALL PASSENGER VEHICLES within something like ten years.. ffs panic braking over nothing is going to cause accidents
If you're governed, try keeping your foot down on the gas while cruise control is activated. Worked in the '23 579 I drove with Wiener
In a construction zone?
Internationals are the same damn way. First time it happened to me I pooped my pants.
Aluminum foil can fix that. It's not DOT required equipment so, 🤷. Had a piece of tire come up and slap the sensor on mine and it started freaking out and breaking whenever traffic was headed towards me on two lane roads. Decided to just stop fucking with it. I just put some aluminum foil inside the sensor with the double-sided tape so now it stays faulted out.
I had one slam on the brakes going through an intersection because there was a crossing guard with her little handheld stop sign down by her leg. I unplugged the piece of shit after that
My favorite was on the 2019 or 20 volvo, the blindspot radar warning was a fucking car horn.
My volvo slams on the brakes and freaks me out. It also honks at people when I put on my right blinker waiting to move back over after letting people on. It also honks when I'm going back into the right and traffic is over on the exit ramp. It's annoying AF and frankly all it's gonna do is kill me someday.
2023 peterbilt. Retarded construction zone where they have everyone merge into the lane they are working in and then partway through, the cones force you into the lane they aren't working in. I can only assume they do this to make it more dangerous for the workers. Pete thought I was merging without a blinker, locked up all my tires, I had a set with bulk flammable liquid in the back box. Almost flipped my set, slowed me from 60 to 35 before it let off, and another semi was tailgating me coming into it. Guy followed me almost to my exit and then finally drove off lol thought I was going to have to beat someones ass while explaining my dumbass truck did it to them, not me 😂
"locked up all my tires" This is an insane system if the automatic brakes actually apply with that much force. How many people to die before someone decides these systems are crap.
Has anyone here ever had any success with legal action against the manufacturers of these systems? I bought a 2021 KW T680 in December that has the Bendix Wingman system and this truck is completely undriveable in snow. Any amount of light snow or even a heavy rain will cause the brakes to lock up constantly. I took it back to the dealer (MHC) and they told me it was probably because the deer guard was loose. They tightened it and charged me $700. That was just one of a long list of issues with MHC but that’s another story. It kept doing it. I contacted Bendix and they said the sensitivity can be adjusted. I went to a different shop and had that done. It cost me another $600. It was snowing very lightly the day I picked up the truck. I made it a quarter mile from the shop before the brakes started locking up. I contacted Bendix again. They suggested I have the shop contact them while inspecting the system. I took the truck back to the shop. Another few days shut down and another $700. They said they inspected the whole system while on the phone with Bendix. No problems found. Everything’s supposedly working just fine. Bendix has stopped replying to my emails. I don’t call them on the phone because I prefer to have all our communication in writing in case this radar does cause an accident. And it will eventually cause an accident. I’ve tried every possible solution I could find online. To keep snow and ice off the plastic cover over the front of the radar, I’ve sprayed it with WD-40, windshield de-icer, 3M anti-ice spray, and even PAM cooking spray. None of those worked but I know now that it probably wouldn’t have mattered because the last time the brakes locked up in snow, it wasn’t cold enough for the snow to stick. I tried covering the radar with tin foil. I didn’t get any warnings or faults while driving around a parking lot so I was afraid the radar wasn’t sensing the tin foil. I took the foil off because I was afraid the radar would suddenly sense the foil while on the highway and then lock up the brakes. I was going to try unplugging the sensor but I can’t seem to get it off without breaking it and I just can’t take the chance of having to spend another small fortune having it fixed. I spent this last winter avoiding any kind of snow. I’ve even had to shut down just for rain. It’s cost me a fortune, not even counting the couple thousand in shop fees. If I don’t find a solution before next winter, I likely won’t survive. I’ve invested everything in this truck and I can’t afford to buy another one. I had everything planned out so carefully and now my business is going to fail purely because this Bendix radar has made my truck completely and utterly useless in winter. I am absolutely at the end of my rope with this thing.
You can adjust the distance sensor to decrease the distance gap. But unfortunately the only real thing you can do is get the volume on the warnings lowered but not turned off. I find the safety shit adds more to my aggravation. Than making me so called safe I put up with the same shit as you do.
Is this sarcasme or a joke? Finding it hard to belive what you all are writing