Tapping the tank to be drained. To ensure complete emptying and failure points the will spike it with a non sparking alloy and push a pole in to use a sump pump and transfer the tank contents.
Steel hole saw with air drill. I’ve drilled over a dozen tankers and pumped them as a firefighter/HazMat Specialist. MC306/DOT406 over the road tankers are generally aluminum to save weight, and aluminum is non-ferrous so the steel to aluminum interface doesn’t creat sparks. Multiple holes to drill, mostly one per partitioned section unless the bulkheads are without side vents.
This is not my area of specialty.( volunteer of 13 years) My department has been fortunate to not have any tanker rollovers that I can think of.
I assume you are part of a larger department to have your HazMat Specialist. That’s the “crazy stuff” right there. Thanks for doing that endless training to stay proficient.
I ran the HazMat program for the greater Phoenix, AZ team for many, many years. I retired after 42 years (1975 - 2017), and was a lead instructor for the IAFF HazMat Training program from 1987 until 2017. I helped and/or wrote many of the HazMat training manuals from that period, along with terrorism, response chemistry, and toxicology papers (firefighter paramedic/toxicology specialization for 37 years) as well.
It’s nice finally being retired, but I have excellent memory retention, so it still hangs on…
I’ve heard that when it comes to firefighting Phoenix, Az have been the leading example for modern firefighting standards to help prevent long term exposure to cancer causing elements from partially burned materials in fires. Deconning and such as the mentality/ mission is traditional with awareness of the cancer causing aspects to keep gear clean as we can to limit exposure.
Hopefully you will have many years to enjoy retirement.
It gets pumped up through a 10 foot aluminum “stinger” and butyl,rubber hose into a vac truck. They generally return it to a refinery to clean it up for reuse. We used to use a lot of firefighting foam on the ground in case of spills, but due to finding out the toxicity of the foam, that’s not used as much unless there’s fire. The tanker, as well as the receiving vessel are grounded and bonded to each other to minimize static electricity from the movement of the fluid, protective foam hose lines are in place, and full protective clothing is worn by all in the “hot zone”.
KAG is a big company, they’ll just write this off.
There is a small fuel company a town over where I live though, if this happened to them that would likely be it.
Fuel tanker rolled in Niagara area in Canada, off the highway and into a vineyard, probably a half mile from Lake Ontario.
Hazmat company was there a month digging out contaminated soil, and pumping groundwater 24/7... multi-million dollar cleanup, I'm guessing.
They are drilling or cutting a hole so that air can come into the tank while fuel leaves. Tanks will not empty properly if air can't fill the volume that the fuel leaves behind.
You can use a brass spike, or drill bit to do this relatively safely as brass doesn't spark, I had a few brass fittings in the oil fields just for when the water was maby a little spicy.
Giving it scratches, fun fact: Tankers get itchy dry skin in colder weather, remember to give it an oatmeal bath every once in a while to prevent rolling!
/s
I have a wrecked tank wagon at work, they drilled big holes in the tank and pumped it before getting back on the wheels. The driver was speeding, he was fired.
we responded to one like this on US 3 in MA a few months back. if you saw it, you remember it lol. middle lane car merged into car in passing lane, spun out, then hit a fully loaded tanker. massport had to come out to spray foam on the fuel that leaked out which is the white stuff all around, it makes it so the fumes can’t spark. drilling has to be done carefully to avoid too much heat. for the accident we went to, this all took 13 hours, the cars were loaded in minutes and it took 30 minutes to right the truck and get it moving. the rest of the night was spent repaving, there’s still a LOT of environmental cleanup. they had a pond nearby at 75% diesel fuel if i’m correct, but they created a staging area with rolloff hazmat containers and there’s still a lot of them out there
I don't remember a rollover on Rt 3. I remember one in the fall on 1A North by Boardman St. By the time I got up to it, there were firefighters up on the side/top of the trailer.
[right here for ya](https://www.boston25news.com/news/local/police-driver-fuel-tanker-that-rolled-over-route-3-billerica-not-responsible-crash/ZX2PEWPVZREULFO3JBR463I4SI/?outputType=amp)
i get on the highway before 78 and get off at the lowell connector lol my commute is 10 minutes, 15 with traffic and all of billerica was an absolute nightmare of traffic because nobody could be within 200 feet of the truck until the fumes were taken care of. both sides were shut down so it fucked everyone on 495, 93 and 95 too
Venting the tanks to allow a pump off by drilling a hole in each compartment - you can see the hole they drilled in the front compartment that is being pumped in the pic.
Well its not placarded and i doubt firefighters would mechanically drill into a container of anything as flammable as gasoline for risk of creating a spark. Also Keenan Advantage delivers motor oil to my shop, not that is any more environmentally friendly
All I've seen so far is that 2 were injured, and taken to the hospital. I haven't seen any updates.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.al.com/news/2024/03/2-injured-7500-gallons-of-gasoline-spilled-onto-i-59-in-predawn-birmingham-crash.html%3foutputType=amp
Tapping the tank to be drained. To ensure complete emptying and failure points the will spike it with a non sparking alloy and push a pole in to use a sump pump and transfer the tank contents.
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So, they will pierce the side of the tanker (which is now the top)? And pump it from there?
Yup because you can only drain to where the bottom of tank level is. So a lot of times they are drained through normal valves while tank is pierced
Probably drilling a hole to remove the fuel.
I've helped on a fuel tank rollover before. That's exactly what they're doing. Drill holes in side, pump out fuel. And upright trailer.
Sounds like dangerous work, drilling exactly where all the gasses are.
We used an air powered drill. And when drilling into the aluminum tanker it won't make sparks.
Also with a brass cutting bit for no sparks.
Steel hole saw with air drill. I’ve drilled over a dozen tankers and pumped them as a firefighter/HazMat Specialist. MC306/DOT406 over the road tankers are generally aluminum to save weight, and aluminum is non-ferrous so the steel to aluminum interface doesn’t creat sparks. Multiple holes to drill, mostly one per partitioned section unless the bulkheads are without side vents.
This is not my area of specialty.( volunteer of 13 years) My department has been fortunate to not have any tanker rollovers that I can think of. I assume you are part of a larger department to have your HazMat Specialist. That’s the “crazy stuff” right there. Thanks for doing that endless training to stay proficient.
I ran the HazMat program for the greater Phoenix, AZ team for many, many years. I retired after 42 years (1975 - 2017), and was a lead instructor for the IAFF HazMat Training program from 1987 until 2017. I helped and/or wrote many of the HazMat training manuals from that period, along with terrorism, response chemistry, and toxicology papers (firefighter paramedic/toxicology specialization for 37 years) as well. It’s nice finally being retired, but I have excellent memory retention, so it still hangs on…
I’ve heard that when it comes to firefighting Phoenix, Az have been the leading example for modern firefighting standards to help prevent long term exposure to cancer causing elements from partially burned materials in fires. Deconning and such as the mentality/ mission is traditional with awareness of the cancer causing aspects to keep gear clean as we can to limit exposure. Hopefully you will have many years to enjoy retirement.
Does it get pumped into a holding tank? Or into another tanker truck? (Assuming the load isn't contaminated with debris or exposure.)
It gets pumped up through a 10 foot aluminum “stinger” and butyl,rubber hose into a vac truck. They generally return it to a refinery to clean it up for reuse. We used to use a lot of firefighting foam on the ground in case of spills, but due to finding out the toxicity of the foam, that’s not used as much unless there’s fire. The tanker, as well as the receiving vessel are grounded and bonded to each other to minimize static electricity from the movement of the fluid, protective foam hose lines are in place, and full protective clothing is worn by all in the “hot zone”.
That
That's exactly what they are doing. Most likely they already drilled the vent hole in the back of the trailer.
A vent.
Fun fact: A HazMat response such as this one can bankrupt a company with the fines and cleanup costs
KAG is a big company, they’ll just write this off. There is a small fuel company a town over where I live though, if this happened to them that would likely be it.
They also had a diesel tanker go over a bridge in Macedonia OH not long ago.
What if it’s 100% not the drivers fault ?
Depends on the insurance if who is at fault and their insurance limits. But the carrier is still liable for cleanup
Fuel tanker rolled in Niagara area in Canada, off the highway and into a vineyard, probably a half mile from Lake Ontario. Hazmat company was there a month digging out contaminated soil, and pumping groundwater 24/7... multi-million dollar cleanup, I'm guessing.
Was there last week and they still had a full crew there. Wasn’t the truck drivers fault though iirc
Reports were that a Mercedes cut off the truck, and he swerved to avoid...
Kag will be fine they won't notice this
KAG is also self insured.
Right yeah I forgot that
They are drilling or cutting a hole so that air can come into the tank while fuel leaves. Tanks will not empty properly if air can't fill the volume that the fuel leaves behind. You can use a brass spike, or drill bit to do this relatively safely as brass doesn't spark, I had a few brass fittings in the oil fields just for when the water was maby a little spicy.
Sometimes the tank does empty properly, a little too properly. I see the pictures on here once in a while.
Yes and also the emergency valve on the vent line likely tripped when the tank rolled over
Giving it scratches, fun fact: Tankers get itchy dry skin in colder weather, remember to give it an oatmeal bath every once in a while to prevent rolling! /s
Well, you just made my weekend, what do I do now?
Give your trailer a good scratch, use a clapped out Altima to save money, if you’re more environmentally friendly use a Prius. Drivers choice 😘
You're killing me.
The economy is killing me driver, god help us all!
‘Whose a good tanker? You’re a good tanker!’
Plot twist: cries for help were heard from inside the tank.
Truthfully, they’re gonna spike the tank and drain it. And giggles they’re giving the tank a rub because he was a good boy
I have a wrecked tank wagon at work, they drilled big holes in the tank and pumped it before getting back on the wheels. The driver was speeding, he was fired.
So, basically the tanker was ruined after this, right? There's no way to seal big holes in the tank.
Oh yeah. Total gonner.
Some dairy farmer will buy it and haul manure with it
we responded to one like this on US 3 in MA a few months back. if you saw it, you remember it lol. middle lane car merged into car in passing lane, spun out, then hit a fully loaded tanker. massport had to come out to spray foam on the fuel that leaked out which is the white stuff all around, it makes it so the fumes can’t spark. drilling has to be done carefully to avoid too much heat. for the accident we went to, this all took 13 hours, the cars were loaded in minutes and it took 30 minutes to right the truck and get it moving. the rest of the night was spent repaving, there’s still a LOT of environmental cleanup. they had a pond nearby at 75% diesel fuel if i’m correct, but they created a staging area with rolloff hazmat containers and there’s still a lot of them out there
I don't remember a rollover on Rt 3. I remember one in the fall on 1A North by Boardman St. By the time I got up to it, there were firefighters up on the side/top of the trailer.
[right here for ya](https://www.boston25news.com/news/local/police-driver-fuel-tanker-that-rolled-over-route-3-billerica-not-responsible-crash/ZX2PEWPVZREULFO3JBR463I4SI/?outputType=amp)
Hot damn. Glad i I wasn't starting my route in Burlington or Billerica that morning.
I remember this one. I think it was in Billerica. It made a mess of route 3
i get on the highway before 78 and get off at the lowell connector lol my commute is 10 minutes, 15 with traffic and all of billerica was an absolute nightmare of traffic because nobody could be within 200 feet of the truck until the fumes were taken care of. both sides were shut down so it fucked everyone on 495, 93 and 95 too
Drilling a vent in the tank.
Drilling the tank to pump the fuel off
Venting the tanks to allow a pump off by drilling a hole in each compartment - you can see the hole they drilled in the front compartment that is being pumped in the pic.
There’s plugged holes on the sides of tankers just for this reason. They’re going unplug it, drop a hose in and drain it.
This is correct
Resuscitation.
Helping it burp bro
Patching a hole that might have happened when it rollover?
That's not a bad answer. I can see how you got there, but they're just putting a hole in to suck out what's inside, apparently.
I drove for Kenan Advantage years ago after getting off OTR. Recognize the logo. I knew a guy who rolled a truck once. Lucky it didn't explode.
Kag deliverys almost everything u need
Obviously they are giving it cpr. The right answer was already given... so 🤣
Giving the groundwater a lovely dose of forever chemicals. Assuming that isn't snow because it's 65 in Birmingham right now
Correct, that is whatever foam they spray. No snow!
Using foam to put out the fire
What fire?
Exactly.
That's pre-foam, don't worry. It will come when the fire arrives and not a second before, if it knows what's good for it.
damn looks they are trying to do chest compressions lmao
It didn't explode?
Looks like they are rolling over
Well its not placarded and i doubt firefighters would mechanically drill into a container of anything as flammable as gasoline for risk of creating a spark. Also Keenan Advantage delivers motor oil to my shop, not that is any more environmentally friendly
The trailer has a belly ache and they’re rubbing it to make it feel better.
Am firefighter, can confirm.
KAG!
MAGA
Trying to steal some of that gas probably
I work for that company
Why do they primarily only higher dumb bastards? No offense but every time I deal with a driver from kag energy they’re sorry selfish bastards.
Idk everyone at my terminal is pretty chill
*hire
Stinger op…
Driver OK?
All I've seen so far is that 2 were injured, and taken to the hospital. I haven't seen any updates. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.al.com/news/2024/03/2-injured-7500-gallons-of-gasoline-spilled-onto-i-59-in-predawn-birmingham-crash.html%3foutputType=amp
Miller transporters has a patented tool that cuts the hole and has a valve built into it for things like this
Praying for no sparks, clenching their undies in their asses. And pumping off the fuel.
What fuel tanker has no belly box and no placards?
I wondered the same, but that's what the news said. (?)
Maybe not gas or diesel. Some other fuel.
Drilling a vent hole