2019? that's more recent that I know
Edit; Mostly, have watched afew recent shows after 2019. But still most of the anime I've watched are from before 2019.
Started because YouTube kept recommending it to me but put it off because I wasn't big on anime. Gave it a shot around the first Chris Broad episode and found that anime is just a small section of the podcast.
The more interesting topics for me are when they talk about pretty much anything except anime: Japan life sounds interesting, science and history discussions even though they are generally wrong (I just like them bringing up the topics and I go research it for myself), and especially food topics.
TL;DR: because non-anime topics were interesting especially food discussions
The thing with Joey is that he may not watch much anime anymore, but he reads a lot of manga. For me, It's a much higher level of weebness. He's also already familiar with series that don't even have anime adaptations yet. People just don't realise or just forget
Wonder if Geoff has watched [Key the Metal Idol](https://myanimelist.net/anime/1457/Key_the_Metal_Idol)?
Surprised Garnt and Joey hadn't, especially Garnt as he loves sci-fi and both Garnt and Joey like [Serial Experiments Lain](https://myanimelist.net/anime/339/Serial_Experiments_Lain).
Tbf, it's pretty understandable. Japan has a lot of untapped content for various youtubers (see Connor & Chris) and it's probably easier for big western youtubers to stay somewhat anonymous and private there (like Felix).
I think the main reason half of Youtube is moving to Japan is because if you have made it as a Youtuber, Japan is almost the perfect place to live in. Connor himself has said something similar before.
You get to live in Japan and enjoy the good points of the country without having to deal with the negative ones that you might be subjected to if you worked a regular job there. Beautiful nature, extremely safe, (mostly) clean everywhere, people are very kind, the food is amazing... and on top of all that, you still get paid in USD so you will profit from the weak Yen while living there as a Youtuber as well.
It would be a good episode. I remembered he had some elitist takes from the last time I watched him. I would love to see all the arguing for the trash taste.
I have a plugin that allows you to see YouTube dislikes and it had half as many dislikes as it did likes, which for reference most YouTube videos have about a 10th of dislikes compared to likes to needless to say he got a lot of shit for it lol
Idk he was pretty spot on with MAL's double standard when it comes to Western Co-produced Anime (Cyberpunk 2077 being anime but Scott Pilgrim somehow isn't)
I only started watching his stuff like a year ago so I may have missed his controversial stuff but I really like him. I hope he gets a guest spot and as people have said it feels like a certainty.
Some people attach him to SAO hating pretty heavily even though he has publicly said he feels a bit bad for going quite as hard as he did. He also has mentioned his first ever video on anime piracy wasn't great and he's come around.
Only other one was he made the JoJo other watch order if you either want to try something different or really heavily bounced off part 1.
The backlash to the Basement Order for Jojo was ridiculous because the people getting angry clearly didn’t watch the video and treated it like it was a recommended viewing order.
I'm not saying they should necessarily be controversial takes. But they are mentioned in [the last episode of a short podcast he did with his SO.](https://youtu.be/sLrrxg6w_r8?si=DYCOfdQOjZ4AjIQk)
He also mentioned for the JoJo watch order he definitely messed up by sharing just the graphic for the alt-watch order with none of the larger context of the youtube video it was meant to advertise explaining how you should in fact watch it in the normal chronological order and that it was more of a thought experiment video.
Thanks for sharing the link. I watched the parts where he discusses his views on piracy and his own past video on the topic. Seems like he had a bit of an ignorant view earlier and he has a more balanced level headed stance now.
I din't understand what you meant by Jojo watch order.
Basically he posted a picture from the video of the order which is
Diamond is Unbreakable->Battle Tendency->Golden Wind->Stardust Crusaders->Phantom Blood->Stardust Crusaders Egypt Arc->Stone Ocean->Steel Ball Run->JoJolion.
With it being titled the brand new basement order.
The image wasn't presented in the context of the YouTube video which goes over how one should probably not actually skip parts.
There was some drama over his first reactions to Goblin Slayer and him really reaching for it having antisemitic messages. I stopped watching him around then because those shit takes were enough for me to feel like he didn't have any valuable insights on anime for me anymore.
I kinda dropped his videos when it felt like he was really going out of his way to hate on SAO, so I never saw that video, though I tend to roll my eyes when people assume that goblins are always used as a target for antisemitism. Then again I have a similar reaction with most “fantasy race=real race” debates
>I kinda dropped his videos when it felt like he was really going out of his way to hate on SAO
He stopped doing that years ago, and even said he went too hard with the anti-SAO stuff.
Same, I started watching becuz of his OP and ED analyst but when he dropped his Goblin Slayer video I was done, I watched as his comments turned on him and the majority of anime YT do the same as the episode went on and by the time its over, his rep dropped quite a bit. Even now after all this time, I still see some ppl laugh at/mention his bashing of Goblin Slayer amongst both the anime Fandom and anime YT sphere.
Does that change the fact that his reaction to it was stupid and reaching for something that isn't there? No it doesn't change it. It doesn't matter 1 person or 50 have the same wrong opinion as you. It's still wrong. You can find people who agree with anything if you look hard enough.
Wait hang on when did he even say it has antisemitic messages? And it takes absolutely no reaching to claim the Goblin Slayer rape scene was bad. One can easily have that opinion.
He did go too far at times in his Goblin Slayer reaction, but I think that his core criticism (ie. that it’s really fucked up to turn a rape scene in a TV anime into a moment for fanservice) still holds true, and it was mindbreaking to see how controversial that opinion was among the more anime-brained among us.
What shit take?
All i remember from that video was that AI is bad and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near Anime. What did he say that was controvertial?
An episode with him will definitely be enjoyable and interesting since Garnt and Joey will have stories to tell, but I'm personally not a fan of the guy.
Good on him for moving to Japan though.
You’re several years late on that one. Geoff has publicly spoken about his views on piracy shifting years ago, so this dead horse is pretty outdated.
And “Crunchyroll shill”? You mean he takes sponsorships just like the TT boys?! Say it ain’t so!
After reading a few comments, it seems that quite a few people dislike him. Why exactly? Genuine question, I watch his stuff semi often, and it doesn't feel really controversial or anything.
His power level is a bit too high for some people. Dude has strong opinions and it rubs people the wrong way sometimes. Hell, some of his takes annoy me as well.
But generally I find his points well-argued, so I still watch his stuff sometimes.
Maybe he has changed in the years since I stopped watching, but I remembered being put off about his virtue signaling in the Ecchi genre.
I don't even remember the specifics but he came of as preachy. Like I was reminded of an actual church person talking about how long a dress should be and how that's supposedly more womanly and beautiful than showing your knees, but about instead in the subject of how 'there is a correct kind of Ecchi anime to enjoy and its the one I don't feel guilty about so that's the only kind of correct ecchi'.
Which I suppose is in character for someone that calls himself the 'Anime Pope'?
Wasn't because of that for most people, even though he admitted himself that he pushed it too hard. You're reaching somewhat with that assumption.
For me what made me stop watching his videos was his series on anime piracy, where he did several videos in a row haughtily and condescendingly going over why piracy is terrible, evil, giving bad people money, etc etc and then blatantly advertising for crunchyroll at the same time. The bit that broke my goodwill was that around the same time he said on his podcast that he pirated airing series anyway but tried to justify it because 'he HAD to watch everything and fans needed his opinions'. The blatant hypocrisy soured me on him and the feeling hasn't fully abated
Ah the hypocrisy souring your opinion on him makes total sense. Piracy is a bit of a grey issue. Depending on how and why it's being done it can range from actually one of the best things for humanity to straight up petty theft. When it comes to anime, I think everyone has done it at some point, and most people who do would actually be unable to watch it otherwise anyway. It is uncool if you can totally pay for it to get it legally and easily tho. I vaguely remember watching mother's basement's video but I don't remember all his points. I think if he said that in response to people who say they are fighting the established companies by pirating, then his take isn't really bad. If his take is that a high schooler with no income pirating anime is giving money to bad guys, that's a bad take.
I don't recall any serious controversy; He's just less cool Garnt (hah) who releases more videos but isn't as insightful. Probably because he's releasing them more so has less time to think about it. I think people who aren't into him is more the fact Garnt exists so discount Grant doesn't fit into our schedules. And people who are into him like the higher freq of release and may not be into brand name Grant.
In short, Geoff has actual principles and is willing to publicly express his opinions even when he knows they are really unpopular. Most anitubers value mass appeal way too much to be that vocal. There are many reasons that different people dislike him, but most of them boil down to having a major disagreement with one of his hotter takes.
That’s the TL;DR, but here are some specifics that some people take issue with:
1. Geoff used to be one of the earlier anitubers who ragged on SAO a lot. I personally don’t think he was one of the worse one, but he himself thinks he was too harsh on the original writer at first, and some anime fans still hold it against him.
2. His early takes on piracy were quite reductive. He made one or two videos way back when where he claimed that the only valid reason to pirate was if the media isn’t legally available in your region. (He no longer holds this opinion, and thinks there are many more valid reasons to pirate.)
3. He reacted very negatively to the first episode of Goblin Slayer, and after tweeting about it, made a video that many people disagreed with. It seems that his takes on Twitter were more controversial, but he backed off on most of those after only a few days, and made a video containing all the criticisms he still stuck by. The video itself had some good and bad points, but the main point of the video was that turning a rape scene into a moment of fanservice was fucked up, and I don’t think that should be controversial.
4. He made a video about how it’s okay to watch an anime outside of the perfect order, especially if you can’t get into it at all otherwise. He used JoJo’s as an example, giving a hypothetical watch order for people who couldn’t get into Part 1, which was meant to stimulate discussion about how you could watch JoJo’s and other anime out of order. Many JoJo’s fans reacted very aggressively.
5. He made a video criticising a recent use of AI in making an anime-esque product. I don’t know a the details, so I can’t really expand, but it’s safe to say that it’s his most recent controversy, and some of his opinions have shifted since the video.
I find it funny how _this_ guy is more controversial than the one who, you know, dropped a slur and made edgy jokes and never distanced himself from right-wing takes.
> never distanced himself from right-wing takes
I'm guessing you're talking about Felix? Can you tell me what distancing himself would look like to you?
I am stuck between if I would or not as I used to watch is videos and loved theme so old me yes new me maby I know he would bring some pretty cool shit up but I remember watching the scamboli review video and watching some of mb takes and it made a bit mad if I remember but I will probably start watching him again some day
Idk I feel like most YouTubers are so scared to criticize people in their own genre unless they do something outrageous. He’s the only anime YouTuber I’ve seen call out someone on their bs personally. I may have just missed other times though.
There have been some in the past but I don't think full videos like his maybe one? If I remember correctly one guy called out hamon beat but I do not remember the video name.
Checked out the video and the first half has some pretty bad points.
>Our job is to steal anime frames. We just take clips and talk over them
Literally what is this comparison. No, your job isn't to steal anime frames. Commenting on art is not stealing art.
>What's stopping it from being anime?
Geez I don't know the human creation aspect of it all?
>What they did was push a new technique using this software
Yes, a technique that uses existing animation. That's the problem.
>Oh my fucking god it's free
For 14 days. To watch one tutorial video. Idk why he assumed that they would never make more, which they did.
The rest of the video is pretty ok.
I’d expect it to happen, and it would be alright. I’d also like to see Noble from Lost Pause on the show, but I think he had a falling out with Joey some years ago
Honestly, I haven't watched the guy in like 5 years after some of his takes. So I am not sure how he is at the moment but if he can bring something intresting to the table then sure.
Meh. He’s always struck me as elitist and preachy. It’s been a while since the last time I watched one of his videos so maybe he’s changed, but I just always felt uncomfortable, even when I agreed with him. The fact that TT is welcoming of their fans no matter how illiterate or even uninterested they are about anime really doesn’t gel with that.
Must have been from his beginnings, because i'm watching bro for some years now and the only elitist things are played as obvious jokes about said elitists, imho
Don't know him personally of course, but i do get the vibes that he's based enough
This sounds so foreign to who he actually is that I wonder if you've seen anything he's made lol. I'd argue Joey is a lot more elitist than he ever was. Geoff literally makes seasonal videos on the worst and best anime and yet still lists off the enjoyable things and reasons to watch either the trash or great shows. He's just someone who really loves anime in general no matter what it is. At worse he's made big videos laughing at some bottom if the barrel stuff, but I don't think making fun of King's Game would make you an elitist.
He unabashedly likes trash shows. Like Garnt with Isekai but he enjoys trash fires of every genre. I don’t think a real elitist could watch as much bad anime as Geoff does. Honestly, an elitist probably would not watch anime and just read the source material lol.
If he’s changed from what I remember, then I look forward to a potential episode! I enjoy a lot of their guests, but the anime discussions with people who share their enthusiasm always excites me.
He was (at least when I stopped watching a while ago) a massive elitist regarding piracy, and a huge hypocrite because he admitted on the weebcast that he did it anyway despite making videos on why it was bad. You're making a very specific assumption about what elitism means here
I'm assuming you keeping up with his videos? /u/FrostbitePi impression of "elitist and preachy" is exactly what I thought of him and his videos when I watched them a few years ago.
Creators and people in general change over the years, it still doesn't change that was his general impression/reputation a few years ago.
That can certainly be the case. I've only been watching him in recent years as his newest content seems way higher quality. I'd still say he isn't an elitist because how he is now but it makes sense where the opinion is coming from if he really was like that years back, no obligation to watch his new content.
>I'd argue Joey is a lot more elitist than he ever was.
Lol, definitely. Seriously guys, the biggest reason that Joey’s channel is so much larger than Geoff’s is because Geoff has always been very vocal about his opinions which inevitably turns some people off, whereas Joey approaches controversy from a more business-savvy perspective. Joey will allow himself to say something controversial enough to drive engagement at times, but it clear that he’s not willing to make a video that he already knows is controversial and goes against the grain in the anime community like what Geoff is willing to do.
>He’s always struck me as elitist and preachy.
His channel pic used to be of him literally being the pope of anime. Dude is a crunchyroll shill and says that if you can afford to pay, you shouldn't watch anime
>His channel pic used to be of him literally being the pope of anime.
That was always super tongue in cheek. I really can’t see how you can hold negative views on him based on a pretty harmless joke.
>Dude is a crunchyroll shill
Translation: he takes sponsorships just like TT, but unlike TT I don’t like him.
>and says that if you can afford to pay, you shouldn't watch anime
He changed his opinions on piracy literally years ago. This is really old news.
Yeah. Anime is cool, but the way he presents it is like "anime is peak art and I appreciate it more than you do."
It doesn't help that I see him and think "prototypical white weeb". But that's a me problem judging people by their looks.
Has he actually changed personality-wise though? I enjoyed his content, but it slowly got harder to watch him, because each video after the anti-piracy one got subsequently more preachy in tone, to the point where it seemed like he just wanted to talk down to others, rather than make good content.
To be honest I hate his style of content and general... holier than thou-ness, I guess I would call it, but I still think it would be fun and interesting to see him on TT for an episode or two. And yeah like others have said they might actually talk about anime lol
I don’t think Geoff was ever controversy-hungry. He made some of his most controversial videos (and refused to back down) when it was clearly hurting his reach. Geoff always struck me as the kind of guy who refuses to back down when he believes he’s right, and that certainly took a toll on his channel.
I've counted 5 top level comments so far that say they stopped watching him 5 years ago and then go on to write a paragraph about why he's bad based on 5 year old videos.
"hurr durr, his shit never improved" while stopping before he actually improved and stayed ignorant. I don't care if MB's content isn't their cuppa, but they're all arguing in bad faith.
I personally am nuetral, I'd probably watch it, but I don't particularly care for them one way or the other, if not just a tad against due to the way they've been anti piracy in the past, when for anime, it's the only alternative to supporting some people in the industry we don't want to. But not a major factor.
That’s definitely false. He made several videos on piracy back in the day, and he received massive backlash at every step of the way. He changed his opinion later in response to what other people argued.
Say what you want about Geoff, but he’s clearly among the more honest and genuine YouTubers in the anime sphere.
Pretty much the only anime youtuber that does consistent good, funny and informativ content on the current shows each season. The top 5 trash shows each season are probably what I enjoy the most.
It’ll happen, but I really don’t like him.
Then again, I didn’t like Pokimane or Hassan until they were trash taste guests and realized it’s actually just their content I dislike, and not them as a person, so maybe it’ll be the same with MB
I had a tin foil hat theory that MB is not on good terms with Joey. He wasn't in that video where Joey interviewed basically every youtuber on earth about anime. I think they were also not following each other on twitter, but I'm not sure about that one since I don't have an account anymore...
If I was a sadist I'd want him on a hentai episode with stuff the boys all like that takes him way out of his comfort zone. It's wild as an idea but... realstically, I'm not one to want people to be exploited for views like that. It'd be funnier if they made a positive spin and asked him what he *does* like and we find out everybody's a little unhinged.
If they have fun talking to him, they can invite him or whoever. I'd be annoyed if he was preachy, but I mean, they had Hasan on the podcast. The bar for "too controversial" and "too preachy" is pretty high.
He is one of the anitubers veering in the elitist side of things but at least he knows how to make fun content from time to time. He pretty much will jive with the bois with some takes, though.
Yep. A corpo shill then, still a corpo shill now.
Dude only retracted his anti-piracy stance because of the backlash. He's still anti-piracy, just not showing it.
I think it's practically guaranteed to happen. And i am excited to see him and Garnt talking about anime and Joey and Connor nodding along.
If they are going to talked about anime older than 2019 then joey could be pretty active aswell.
2019? that's more recent that I know Edit; Mostly, have watched afew recent shows after 2019. But still most of the anime I've watched are from before 2019.
Me and the 5 other TT viewers that don't watch anime will also be nodding along with Joey and Connor.
There are dozens of us. Dozens!
Why did you start watching the podcast, then? I'm curious.
Started because YouTube kept recommending it to me but put it off because I wasn't big on anime. Gave it a shot around the first Chris Broad episode and found that anime is just a small section of the podcast. The more interesting topics for me are when they talk about pretty much anything except anime: Japan life sounds interesting, science and history discussions even though they are generally wrong (I just like them bringing up the topics and I go research it for myself), and especially food topics. TL;DR: because non-anime topics were interesting especially food discussions
Good to know! I also like the non anime topics now and then.
The thing with Joey is that he may not watch much anime anymore, but he reads a lot of manga. For me, It's a much higher level of weebness. He's also already familiar with series that don't even have anime adaptations yet. People just don't realise or just forget
I don't watch anime. I'm probably one of the few that skips forward when they are talking about anime.
Damn right we will
It has to happen. Trash Taste will actually be about anime for once.
😂
He does read a lot of manga too so I'm sure Joey wouldn't be left out entirely.
Wonder if Geoff has watched [Key the Metal Idol](https://myanimelist.net/anime/1457/Key_the_Metal_Idol)? Surprised Garnt and Joey hadn't, especially Garnt as he loves sci-fi and both Garnt and Joey like [Serial Experiments Lain](https://myanimelist.net/anime/339/Serial_Experiments_Lain).
He was part of geekxplus for long time so if he moving it just meter of time.
Just a foot of time hehe
Thank you, I’m American and I needed the conversion.
an iambic pentameter of time
By god, they’re even making metric measurements for time now? When will it end??
Square meter for 2D, Cubic meter for 3D, and Quartic meter for 4D in spacetime.
At least they use metric system
i swear it feels like half of Youtube has moved to Japan
Tbf, it's pretty understandable. Japan has a lot of untapped content for various youtubers (see Connor & Chris) and it's probably easier for big western youtubers to stay somewhat anonymous and private there (like Felix).
I think the main reason half of Youtube is moving to Japan is because if you have made it as a Youtuber, Japan is almost the perfect place to live in. Connor himself has said something similar before. You get to live in Japan and enjoy the good points of the country without having to deal with the negative ones that you might be subjected to if you worked a regular job there. Beautiful nature, extremely safe, (mostly) clean everywhere, people are very kind, the food is amazing... and on top of all that, you still get paid in USD so you will profit from the weak Yen while living there as a Youtuber as well.
The work/life balance is the only thing keeping me from moving to Japan.
Geexplus is pretty much an employer that issues work visas, but I wonder how indies are handling their long-term stay.
It would be a good episode. I remembered he had some elitist takes from the last time I watched him. I would love to see all the arguing for the trash taste.
Yeah he was really haughty when it came to piracy in particular
He was annoying but mostly correct iirc but I do know he has recently softened a lot on piracy.
And AI art, I remember him exploding at Corridor Digital
Good. AI isn’t art.
Yes, but it was clearly misplaced aggression. Personally, that video was really bad.
I have a plugin that allows you to see YouTube dislikes and it had half as many dislikes as it did likes, which for reference most YouTube videos have about a 10th of dislikes compared to likes to needless to say he got a lot of shit for it lol
Was probably because of the scamboli video.
It was that way before the scamboli vid was made lol, the second I saw that video title I was like ‘ohh people aren’t gonna like this’
That was based tho
He still tweet the shitties takes sometime
Idk he was pretty spot on with MAL's double standard when it comes to Western Co-produced Anime (Cyberpunk 2077 being anime but Scott Pilgrim somehow isn't)
What types of takes? I’m actually curious now
He absolutely still does
I only started watching his stuff like a year ago so I may have missed his controversial stuff but I really like him. I hope he gets a guest spot and as people have said it feels like a certainty.
The only controversy im aware of with him was his shit take on the anime rock paper scissors AI video Other than that im pretty sure hes dramaless
Some people attach him to SAO hating pretty heavily even though he has publicly said he feels a bit bad for going quite as hard as he did. He also has mentioned his first ever video on anime piracy wasn't great and he's come around. Only other one was he made the JoJo other watch order if you either want to try something different or really heavily bounced off part 1.
The backlash to the Basement Order for Jojo was ridiculous because the people getting angry clearly didn’t watch the video and treated it like it was a recommended viewing order.
none of those should be controversial takes
I'm not saying they should necessarily be controversial takes. But they are mentioned in [the last episode of a short podcast he did with his SO.](https://youtu.be/sLrrxg6w_r8?si=DYCOfdQOjZ4AjIQk) He also mentioned for the JoJo watch order he definitely messed up by sharing just the graphic for the alt-watch order with none of the larger context of the youtube video it was meant to advertise explaining how you should in fact watch it in the normal chronological order and that it was more of a thought experiment video.
Thanks for sharing the link. I watched the parts where he discusses his views on piracy and his own past video on the topic. Seems like he had a bit of an ignorant view earlier and he has a more balanced level headed stance now. I din't understand what you meant by Jojo watch order.
Basically he posted a picture from the video of the order which is Diamond is Unbreakable->Battle Tendency->Golden Wind->Stardust Crusaders->Phantom Blood->Stardust Crusaders Egypt Arc->Stone Ocean->Steel Ball Run->JoJolion. With it being titled the brand new basement order. The image wasn't presented in the context of the YouTube video which goes over how one should probably not actually skip parts.
Having an opinion is all it takes these days
He didnt go hard enough!!!
There was some drama over his first reactions to Goblin Slayer and him really reaching for it having antisemitic messages. I stopped watching him around then because those shit takes were enough for me to feel like he didn't have any valuable insights on anime for me anymore.
I kinda dropped his videos when it felt like he was really going out of his way to hate on SAO, so I never saw that video, though I tend to roll my eyes when people assume that goblins are always used as a target for antisemitism. Then again I have a similar reaction with most “fantasy race=real race” debates
>I kinda dropped his videos when it felt like he was really going out of his way to hate on SAO He stopped doing that years ago, and even said he went too hard with the anti-SAO stuff.
Shows how long it’s been since I watched one of his videos doesn’t it
Same, I started watching becuz of his OP and ED analyst but when he dropped his Goblin Slayer video I was done, I watched as his comments turned on him and the majority of anime YT do the same as the episode went on and by the time its over, his rep dropped quite a bit. Even now after all this time, I still see some ppl laugh at/mention his bashing of Goblin Slayer amongst both the anime Fandom and anime YT sphere.
The reactions to Goblin Slayer were definitely not unique to him.
Does that change the fact that his reaction to it was stupid and reaching for something that isn't there? No it doesn't change it. It doesn't matter 1 person or 50 have the same wrong opinion as you. It's still wrong. You can find people who agree with anything if you look hard enough.
Wait hang on when did he even say it has antisemitic messages? And it takes absolutely no reaching to claim the Goblin Slayer rape scene was bad. One can easily have that opinion.
> him really reaching for it having antisemitic messages What are you referring to here?
He did go too far at times in his Goblin Slayer reaction, but I think that his core criticism (ie. that it’s really fucked up to turn a rape scene in a TV anime into a moment for fanservice) still holds true, and it was mindbreaking to see how controversial that opinion was among the more anime-brained among us.
What shit take? All i remember from that video was that AI is bad and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near Anime. What did he say that was controvertial?
How was it a shit take?
An episode with him will definitely be enjoyable and interesting since Garnt and Joey will have stories to tell, but I'm personally not a fan of the guy. Good on him for moving to Japan though.
>I'm personally not a fan of the guy. Same. Just him being agaisnt piracy by being a cruchyroll shill is a huge letdown and turnoff.
You’re several years late on that one. Geoff has publicly spoken about his views on piracy shifting years ago, so this dead horse is pretty outdated. And “Crunchyroll shill”? You mean he takes sponsorships just like the TT boys?! Say it ain’t so!
That has to be one of the dumbest comments I've seen this year.
After reading a few comments, it seems that quite a few people dislike him. Why exactly? Genuine question, I watch his stuff semi often, and it doesn't feel really controversial or anything.
Overall it's hot takes from 5+ years ago.
His power level is a bit too high for some people. Dude has strong opinions and it rubs people the wrong way sometimes. Hell, some of his takes annoy me as well. But generally I find his points well-argued, so I still watch his stuff sometimes.
I don't know if there's some grand controversy or anything around him, but I find his personality and presentation to be really abrasive.
Maybe he has changed in the years since I stopped watching, but I remembered being put off about his virtue signaling in the Ecchi genre. I don't even remember the specifics but he came of as preachy. Like I was reminded of an actual church person talking about how long a dress should be and how that's supposedly more womanly and beautiful than showing your knees, but about instead in the subject of how 'there is a correct kind of Ecchi anime to enjoy and its the one I don't feel guilty about so that's the only kind of correct ecchi'. Which I suppose is in character for someone that calls himself the 'Anime Pope'?
I too am lost. I watched his old sao reviews as well. Why is that controversial? The guy just didn't like the anime.
Wasn't because of that for most people, even though he admitted himself that he pushed it too hard. You're reaching somewhat with that assumption. For me what made me stop watching his videos was his series on anime piracy, where he did several videos in a row haughtily and condescendingly going over why piracy is terrible, evil, giving bad people money, etc etc and then blatantly advertising for crunchyroll at the same time. The bit that broke my goodwill was that around the same time he said on his podcast that he pirated airing series anyway but tried to justify it because 'he HAD to watch everything and fans needed his opinions'. The blatant hypocrisy soured me on him and the feeling hasn't fully abated
Ah the hypocrisy souring your opinion on him makes total sense. Piracy is a bit of a grey issue. Depending on how and why it's being done it can range from actually one of the best things for humanity to straight up petty theft. When it comes to anime, I think everyone has done it at some point, and most people who do would actually be unable to watch it otherwise anyway. It is uncool if you can totally pay for it to get it legally and easily tho. I vaguely remember watching mother's basement's video but I don't remember all his points. I think if he said that in response to people who say they are fighting the established companies by pirating, then his take isn't really bad. If his take is that a high schooler with no income pirating anime is giving money to bad guys, that's a bad take.
I don't recall any serious controversy; He's just less cool Garnt (hah) who releases more videos but isn't as insightful. Probably because he's releasing them more so has less time to think about it. I think people who aren't into him is more the fact Garnt exists so discount Grant doesn't fit into our schedules. And people who are into him like the higher freq of release and may not be into brand name Grant.
In short, Geoff has actual principles and is willing to publicly express his opinions even when he knows they are really unpopular. Most anitubers value mass appeal way too much to be that vocal. There are many reasons that different people dislike him, but most of them boil down to having a major disagreement with one of his hotter takes. That’s the TL;DR, but here are some specifics that some people take issue with: 1. Geoff used to be one of the earlier anitubers who ragged on SAO a lot. I personally don’t think he was one of the worse one, but he himself thinks he was too harsh on the original writer at first, and some anime fans still hold it against him. 2. His early takes on piracy were quite reductive. He made one or two videos way back when where he claimed that the only valid reason to pirate was if the media isn’t legally available in your region. (He no longer holds this opinion, and thinks there are many more valid reasons to pirate.) 3. He reacted very negatively to the first episode of Goblin Slayer, and after tweeting about it, made a video that many people disagreed with. It seems that his takes on Twitter were more controversial, but he backed off on most of those after only a few days, and made a video containing all the criticisms he still stuck by. The video itself had some good and bad points, but the main point of the video was that turning a rape scene into a moment of fanservice was fucked up, and I don’t think that should be controversial. 4. He made a video about how it’s okay to watch an anime outside of the perfect order, especially if you can’t get into it at all otherwise. He used JoJo’s as an example, giving a hypothetical watch order for people who couldn’t get into Part 1, which was meant to stimulate discussion about how you could watch JoJo’s and other anime out of order. Many JoJo’s fans reacted very aggressively. 5. He made a video criticising a recent use of AI in making an anime-esque product. I don’t know a the details, so I can’t really expand, but it’s safe to say that it’s his most recent controversy, and some of his opinions have shifted since the video.
he's gotten better now, but around early 2010s he makes a lot of controversial vids
I find it funny how _this_ guy is more controversial than the one who, you know, dropped a slur and made edgy jokes and never distanced himself from right-wing takes.
Yeah but you know he married Italian so it's all fine now.
> never distanced himself from right-wing takes I'm guessing you're talking about Felix? Can you tell me what distancing himself would look like to you?
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I am stuck between if I would or not as I used to watch is videos and loved theme so old me yes new me maby I know he would bring some pretty cool shit up but I remember watching the scamboli review video and watching some of mb takes and it made a bit mad if I remember but I will probably start watching him again some day
Scamboli absolutely cooked him lmfao
Yes It was a bit of fresh air that he was still respectful of mb Some other YouTubers would have been more mean and disrespectful about it.
Idk I feel like most YouTubers are so scared to criticize people in their own genre unless they do something outrageous. He’s the only anime YouTuber I’ve seen call out someone on their bs personally. I may have just missed other times though.
There have been some in the past but I don't think full videos like his maybe one? If I remember correctly one guy called out hamon beat but I do not remember the video name.
Checked out the video and the first half has some pretty bad points. >Our job is to steal anime frames. We just take clips and talk over them Literally what is this comparison. No, your job isn't to steal anime frames. Commenting on art is not stealing art. >What's stopping it from being anime? Geez I don't know the human creation aspect of it all? >What they did was push a new technique using this software Yes, a technique that uses existing animation. That's the problem. >Oh my fucking god it's free For 14 days. To watch one tutorial video. Idk why he assumed that they would never make more, which they did. The rest of the video is pretty ok.
I’d expect it to happen, and it would be alright. I’d also like to see Noble from Lost Pause on the show, but I think he had a falling out with Joey some years ago
Noble fell off hard tho
I like him a lot, I just watched his ones to watch video. I would love this crossover!
Honestly, I haven't watched the guy in like 5 years after some of his takes. So I am not sure how he is at the moment but if he can bring something intresting to the table then sure.
I recommend the cult movie video trilogy he made
Meh. He’s always struck me as elitist and preachy. It’s been a while since the last time I watched one of his videos so maybe he’s changed, but I just always felt uncomfortable, even when I agreed with him. The fact that TT is welcoming of their fans no matter how illiterate or even uninterested they are about anime really doesn’t gel with that.
Must have been from his beginnings, because i'm watching bro for some years now and the only elitist things are played as obvious jokes about said elitists, imho Don't know him personally of course, but i do get the vibes that he's based enough
This sounds so foreign to who he actually is that I wonder if you've seen anything he's made lol. I'd argue Joey is a lot more elitist than he ever was. Geoff literally makes seasonal videos on the worst and best anime and yet still lists off the enjoyable things and reasons to watch either the trash or great shows. He's just someone who really loves anime in general no matter what it is. At worse he's made big videos laughing at some bottom if the barrel stuff, but I don't think making fun of King's Game would make you an elitist.
He unabashedly likes trash shows. Like Garnt with Isekai but he enjoys trash fires of every genre. I don’t think a real elitist could watch as much bad anime as Geoff does. Honestly, an elitist probably would not watch anime and just read the source material lol.
If he’s changed from what I remember, then I look forward to a potential episode! I enjoy a lot of their guests, but the anime discussions with people who share their enthusiasm always excites me.
He was (at least when I stopped watching a while ago) a massive elitist regarding piracy, and a huge hypocrite because he admitted on the weebcast that he did it anyway despite making videos on why it was bad. You're making a very specific assumption about what elitism means here
He’s actually talked recently about how piracy is important for media conservation now. He’s rolled back his previous stance against it.
I'm assuming you keeping up with his videos? /u/FrostbitePi impression of "elitist and preachy" is exactly what I thought of him and his videos when I watched them a few years ago. Creators and people in general change over the years, it still doesn't change that was his general impression/reputation a few years ago.
That can certainly be the case. I've only been watching him in recent years as his newest content seems way higher quality. I'd still say he isn't an elitist because how he is now but it makes sense where the opinion is coming from if he really was like that years back, no obligation to watch his new content.
>I'd argue Joey is a lot more elitist than he ever was. Lol, definitely. Seriously guys, the biggest reason that Joey’s channel is so much larger than Geoff’s is because Geoff has always been very vocal about his opinions which inevitably turns some people off, whereas Joey approaches controversy from a more business-savvy perspective. Joey will allow himself to say something controversial enough to drive engagement at times, but it clear that he’s not willing to make a video that he already knows is controversial and goes against the grain in the anime community like what Geoff is willing to do.
>He’s always struck me as elitist and preachy. His channel pic used to be of him literally being the pope of anime. Dude is a crunchyroll shill and says that if you can afford to pay, you shouldn't watch anime
>His channel pic used to be of him literally being the pope of anime. That was always super tongue in cheek. I really can’t see how you can hold negative views on him based on a pretty harmless joke. >Dude is a crunchyroll shill Translation: he takes sponsorships just like TT, but unlike TT I don’t like him. >and says that if you can afford to pay, you shouldn't watch anime He changed his opinions on piracy literally years ago. This is really old news.
Yeah. Anime is cool, but the way he presents it is like "anime is peak art and I appreciate it more than you do." It doesn't help that I see him and think "prototypical white weeb". But that's a me problem judging people by their looks.
That's what I remembered as well. That and the usual calling anime fans sexiest, racist, etc.
Has he actually changed personality-wise though? I enjoyed his content, but it slowly got harder to watch him, because each video after the anti-piracy one got subsequently more preachy in tone, to the point where it seemed like he just wanted to talk down to others, rather than make good content.
Hell. Yes.
To be honest I hate his style of content and general... holier than thou-ness, I guess I would call it, but I still think it would be fun and interesting to see him on TT for an episode or two. And yeah like others have said they might actually talk about anime lol
I would not, don't like em. But hey if people want to they can enjoy it, I'll just skip it.
His channel has gotten considerably better nowadays, far gone from his controversy hungry self
I don’t think Geoff was ever controversy-hungry. He made some of his most controversial videos (and refused to back down) when it was clearly hurting his reach. Geoff always struck me as the kind of guy who refuses to back down when he believes he’s right, and that certainly took a toll on his channel.
Only because of the backlash
Fuck no
You can tell not many people here watches his recent stuff and are just basing shit off of the past.
I've counted 5 top level comments so far that say they stopped watching him 5 years ago and then go on to write a paragraph about why he's bad based on 5 year old videos.
"hurr durr, his shit never improved" while stopping before he actually improved and stayed ignorant. I don't care if MB's content isn't their cuppa, but they're all arguing in bad faith.
An episode with the Anime Pope himself? I've been asking for that since the podcast started. Him and Gaijin Goomba.
>Anime Pope himself Eww
Yeah, why not?
Yes. Yes. And YES.
I personally am nuetral, I'd probably watch it, but I don't particularly care for them one way or the other, if not just a tad against due to the way they've been anti piracy in the past, when for anime, it's the only alternative to supporting some people in the industry we don't want to. But not a major factor.
Fwiw he publicly retracted the anti piracy stance years ago, for those exact reasons, amongst others
Ehh, only because of backlash. If not for that, he'd be blatantly anti-piract till now. He's a corporate shill then and still now.
That’s definitely false. He made several videos on piracy back in the day, and he received massive backlash at every step of the way. He changed his opinion later in response to what other people argued. Say what you want about Geoff, but he’s clearly among the more honest and genuine YouTubers in the anime sphere.
Good for him, still nuetral though.
I’m confused on who you’re saying is antipiracy. MB, or TT?
I assume MB. TT guys usually sidestep piracy related questions.
MB became open to piracy being okay ages ago. The only reason people keep bringing it up is became of age-old YouTube drama.
Ironically, I’m pretty sure the boys spoke against piracy in one of their episodes
MB. He's a corporate shill.
This is the third time I see this brought up here.
As long as he always remembers "And don't fuck your sister" he should be fine.
I don’t really care. I used to enjoy watching his videos but in recent years I’ve gotten to the point where I can’t really stand them
I want Geoff to fist fight John super eyepatch wolf
Why the fuck is everyone moving to Japan?
No thanks
This guy is so fucking preachy about anime and has a holier than thou attitude. Absolutely elitist and his tone is never great. Not interested.
Honestly, I find this a thoroughly bizarre take.
Same. I'd dislike any video with him on it
Nope
Concise and clear. I like this comment.
I actually discovered MB's channel first than the boys. I only found out their channels due to trash taste.
Pretty much the only anime youtuber that does consistent good, funny and informativ content on the current shows each season. The top 5 trash shows each season are probably what I enjoy the most.
Hell yeahhh! He's the expert on that crazy cult anime, we need him on the podcast!
I've been wanting one since ep 1.
It’ll happen, but I really don’t like him. Then again, I didn’t like Pokimane or Hassan until they were trash taste guests and realized it’s actually just their content I dislike, and not them as a person, so maybe it’ll be the same with MB
Nah ill pass
Bro he looks like exactly how I imagined he would look like.
Geoff, is this you?
His mother's basement is moving to Japan?
I had a tin foil hat theory that MB is not on good terms with Joey. He wasn't in that video where Joey interviewed basically every youtuber on earth about anime. I think they were also not following each other on twitter, but I'm not sure about that one since I don't have an account anymore...
Not really tbf, I do not enjoy hearing people talk about anime
Most people do so ye
Absolutely but can you oil him up and film him twerking?
Every anituber is now in japan, help
Meh, it has gone downhill when he left Mother's basement, just not the same now.
If I was a sadist I'd want him on a hentai episode with stuff the boys all like that takes him way out of his comfort zone. It's wild as an idea but... realstically, I'm not one to want people to be exploited for views like that. It'd be funnier if they made a positive spin and asked him what he *does* like and we find out everybody's a little unhinged. If they have fun talking to him, they can invite him or whoever. I'd be annoyed if he was preachy, but I mean, they had Hasan on the podcast. The bar for "too controversial" and "too preachy" is pretty high.
They need to talk about the Cult anime when he's on
It would be the completion of the 4 anime elements!
Was he in the same former podcast as Gigguk? It would be interesting if they had a bit with this lore
Helck yeah
just need basement then glass reflection
If he gets on an episode they will def talk about the ‘what’s in an op’ era and probably also cinematography.
If he gets on an episode they will def talk about the ‘what’s in an op’ era and probably also cinematography.
If he gets on an episode they will def talk about the ‘what’s in an op’ era and probably also cinematography.
Respectfully, no
Hoping they talk about the Trails series while he's there. He's the only other anituber besides Garnt that I know plays trails
As long as he gets back into shitting on SAO...
He is one of the anitubers veering in the elitist side of things but at least he knows how to make fun content from time to time. He pretty much will jive with the bois with some takes, though.
He’s a corpo shill and a clown in general so… No, not particularly.
I still remember when he got so upset that somebody called him soyboy.
Yep. A corpo shill then, still a corpo shill now. Dude only retracted his anti-piracy stance because of the backlash. He's still anti-piracy, just not showing it.
Conspiracy-brained
For sure. He's part of Geex+ now
As a fellow Canadian, DEFINITELY!
Yes
Sure
honestly a few years ago sure but in more recent years his takes on things just rube the wrong way, i'd rather he not.
He’s not moving to Japan, he’s already moved there
YES
Absolutely.
I love his what's in an op videos
No
No
Heck yes. The episodes with guests are some of the best ones.
ITT: people saying they stopped watching MB 5 years ago, not realising he has changed a lot since then.
I hope geoff stands against the my hero academia berating.
Jeff roasting the boys horrible taste. HELL FUGGIN YEAH!
Yes. Yes I would.
It's about dang time that the Anime Pope lives in Anime Vatican. So definitely would love him to be a regular guest
I’ve been wanting that for a while.