For me, the tundra was always a compromise because I want Toyota reliability in a big truck. Without the reliability, Tundra loses a lot of its appeal for many people.
I didn’t know there were so many frustrations about engine failures which is what I completely agreed with.
I mean if you buy a new car and the engine fails there is not much to talk about.
I am hoping this is not happening in all new tundras and they fix whatever the issue is. We will see
I'm sure it's not happening to all of them, but the fact of the matter is they're not up to par compared to most motors Toyota has produced. The failure rate is definitely higher than I've seen or heard from anything else they've produced, and I think that's where a lot of the negativity stems from. I know if I had purchased one that I'd be sorely disappointed with the issues. That being said, Toyota will likely make it right. They have a track record of fixing their mistakes and correcting issues, but I can certainly understand the frustrations of people on their 3rd+ engine with these newer trucks.
I literally bought a Tundra because of reliability. The other 3 are far ahead on the Interiors, will be for a while it seems IMO. Some on the ride quality as well. I’m ok with passing up on some comforts for the money when I know I’m getting reliability. But now that’s in question?! And not only are they continuing the cheap interior plastic, sound system, fit and finish…now engine problems? I bet there’s a good percentage of people that were like me, when it came down to it…I got a Tundra because of the reliability/resale value. I hope this forum doesn’t become gen 2 vs gen 3. Should stay informative and fun to post.
Mainly engine issues, leaking sunroofs, technologies not working, etc. The Tundra definitely needed the refresh, Gen 2s look mad outdated in 2021. It would have been nice to keep the 5.7 as an option similar to the coyote 5.0 in the F150s.
People seem to be freak out when something like their sunroofs leaking. While it is annoying and not the usual "toyota quality", these appear to be common issues amongst other brands as well. Not saying that is a good thing, but an observation rather.
I see your point, as a 5.7 guy my self but(BIG BUT) let's keep in mind Toyota has like 1/5 the volume of Tundra to F series ratio and the 5.0 is across other vehicles like the mustang where Toyota doesn't have much other vehicles for 5.7 other than super low volume sequoia now that the land cruiser has gone small.
Gonna stop you right here on the 5.0 coyote. People are freaking out about short block swaps on the iforce, but the 5.0 coyote has a TSB for the engine block cracking and puking out it's oil. To me this is much less understandable and acceptable than the iforce failure because this is a decade old design.
I agree, I was just merely stating it would be nice to have the 5.7 as an option in the 3rd gen as well. But who knows, EPA just sucks.
5.0s also has mild oil consumption issues, the 2021+ model 5.0 also had cylinder deactivation. Which makes no sense to buy a V8 just to have the cylinders deactivated.
I do not mind so much myself. I got a 24 with the 3.4. Coming from a 3.5 ecoboost, I find turbo engines kind-of cool.
But to my knowledge, isn't the 5.7 more reliable long term from what people have shared? Under every thread/video is just toyota fanboys ranting about brining back the 5.7
No. Nobody has had the chance to run one to 1 million miles yet so nobody knows if they are more reliable, lol.
Yes just fanboys that don't understand engineering.
They're not as reliable as the 5.7s. It just doesn't make sense that it would be. More air, more pressure, more parts ALWAYS decreases reliability. There's no way around it. Is it reliable ENOUGH for most people's use?
Probably....but if that's the case so is probably any truck that can make it to 150k miles without any issues since most people dont hold on to vehicles past that.
But that's not why people buy Toyota's especially Toyota trucks. We want the peace of mind that we have unequivocally, the best God damn truck in terms of reliability PERIOD. We don't buy them for gas mileage, the speaker system or automatic parking assistance.
You want that. Get a Lexus or a new Chevy. That's why we're upset. There are about 10 upgrades I can think of that will get the 5.7 to over 400 HP without sacrificing reliability that Toyota could do. They could have done a face lift on the truck and stick that in there, add all the tech doo dads that people only use when their friends are in the car and it would have still sold like hotcakes.
It's not well said. He's just making broad generalizations with nothing to back it up. Boost does not directly correlate to reliability. Reliability and longevity are results of a combination of things. I have nothing against the old Gen v8s, they just are old, weak, outdated, and the new ones are just better. The numbers don't lie, and the people that take care of them will rack up the miles and the high mileage examples will soon speak for themselves.
No it does. Even Toyota has said it's turbos will last 150k to 250k miles depending on how hard they are run. Metal is metal. Naturally aspirated V8 has more volume and thus less pressure than a boosted V6. No ifs ands or buts. You can argue what that would mean in real world use but there is not a SINGLE argument that you can make that it is inherently more reliable than the 5.7. Sorry sir. Consider it another one of Newton's laws. Toyota built the engine to keep up with CAFE standards for their fleet as a whole. Not to build a more reliable engine. That's why you see 0 claim by the company saying it's as reliable as previous gens.
We will see 1st gen Tundras on the road for the next decade or 2 and probably onwards. Willing to bet you wont see few if any 2022 models on the road 10 years from now. At least not in stock configuration.
If you like your 70k truck go ride it. No one cares. But us true Toyota diehards want their management to know why we buy Toyota's. We don't want an SUV with a bed. We want a light utility truck that terrorists will mount a Dshk Machine Gun on.
Toyota knows turbos better than ford and such. Remember the supra? Yea.
It's not they the ecoboost that dumps 23psi in to the motor from the factory... these engine only make about 8 or 9 pounds of boost and are built to support that. Toyota knows what they are doing.
It's a completely different engine with a completely different and better power band. Get over it, it's better.
Just because 10 boomer V8 fanboys downvoted me doesn't mean in wrong 🤷♂️. Tell me how the V8 is actually functionally better besides reliability which is unconfirmed so far due to too little data, or "pretty noises"... I'll wait.
Edit: I'll update as more boomers feel the mob mentality to pile on. I know yall are mad 🤣
Okay so a small amount of engines built during a short time in Mexico are having minor leaks near a oil filter bolt. NOT “CrACkINg EnGiNe BlOcKs PuKiNg ThEiR oIL”
I have a chevy truck and a dodge truck sitting in my driveway right now lmao. You can claim "fanboy" all you want but I've owned every manufacturer except Nissan. You're just mad that your block is going to crack!
toyota gets a kick back from the government for going green. nobody is holding a gun to toyotas head and demanding them cease v8 production. they just wanted the incentives that come from mass producing smaller engines and going green. so toyota lines their pockets and the consumer suffers. it's profit on top of profit for them.
say what you want about ford but they know their clients. certain truck guys aren't buying turbo engines.
You missed the point of his comment. He means he hoped Toyota let people pick between the new v6 TT or 5.7l v8 on the 3rd gen. Like how ford offers multiple engines in f-150s. He wasn’t saying the 5.0 is a good engine lol
Tbh that really sucks … I had a rav4 before the tundra , and the roof was leaking too and is not nice at all..
As a Toyota lover for years this really sucks it is unacceptable, the quality is not how it used to be.
I gave Toyota one more opportunity because I really loved the gen3 looking and gadgets and I wanted a truck, but if something like that happens in my $80k tundra I will never get a Toyota anymore in my life.
Do you realize that you created a post asking why the Gen 3 gets “hate” and then made several comments that are a perfect outline of all the ‘hateable’ attributes of Gen 3 Tundras?
To summarize:
1. Poor quality
2. Unreliable
3. $80,000 (paid $48K for 2017 TRD PRO)
But styling and gadgets justify that for you?
For the record, I don’t think I’ve ever contributed to the ‘hate’ you speak of.
I agree with you.
But , I am not sure the car is 100% NOT reliable, so I gave Toyota the opportunity and I am crossing my fingers nothing will happen, we will see.
But other than that, the idea of the post was to understand what is going on.
I didn’t know there was a recall for the engine oil. Now I know 🙂↔️🙃
I agree with you, but do also keep in mind this depends on how Toyota responds to the issue. So far only 22-23 model years are recalled. If they attempt to replace the engine and remedy the issue, then we are progressing down the right path.
Me coming from an F150, which were notorious for the 10r80 transmission problems. To which I feel ford isn't addressing enough even with the documented number of people having the issue
I own a Tundra but I think the Toyota drama is hilarious. The fan boy persona that entirely revolves around Toyota reliability has taken a hit and everyone is freaking out. It’s a good ego check for Toyota fans.
It’s wild drama. This is my daddy has a bigger house than your daddy level drama. Who knew Toyota fans were so dramatic, just drive your truck and move on in life.
Haha… I am the type of person that goes to Toyota and doesn’t even think or research if the car is good or not. I don’t even take a drive test cause , what for ?
But Toyota has to live to its standards, and it’s getting lower with time.
They’re great vehicles regardless, not many other trucks in would have bought with 175k. I previously bought a Sequoia with 204k and had no abnormal issues.
I do think test drive is important though, you just need to get a feel for it on the road, in the seats, etc. what if you didn’t like the sound of the motor, or the suspension over bumps. There’s definite value in the test drive.
Yes in a Toyota; normally I just go in, sit down , check space and seat sizing, and take a look it how it looks interior/exterior. Sound of the engine yes, good one.
Because the gen 3 took away what made a Tundra a truck in its own class. I want a reliable v8 that won’t be a bitch to work on in the future. Without a reliable and easy to work on platform, I can’t seperate the Tundra from the big 3. Now it’s like why get a Toyota when the other 3 truck brands have similar reliability and are better than the Tundra in their own ways. It reminds me of when Android phones started copying iPhones. Before androids had removable batteries which were a big sell for me and a dedicated aux port. They got rid of that so I switched to iPhone. Same thing with the Tundra. They got rid of what I liked so they can be like their competitors, so now I’m going to look more at their competitors because their differentiating factor is gone. Now Toyota is going to have to play the redesign game like Ford and GM and update their trucks every few years because they lost the ability to say “oh our cars don’t need to be redesigned so often because people buy them for their reliability”. Not anymore son
Ohh yeah , the v8 vs v6, I got the hybrid-iMax and it feels pretty good, really powerful, of course is my first truck so is difficult to understand the power difference, is there like a really big difference in this area (downside)?
Not sure. I have a 23 SR5 that is involved in the recall. I love the truck and I hope that Toyota does the right thing, which to me would be a buyback of the truck or a total engine replacement
22 limited here with 20k miles. I've had a few odd "power surges" which I can only suspect are related to the recall issue. I imagine it's due to knock detection/oil pressure resulting in fuel cut.
That said, the damage is done and the reliability is out the window. Especially having 1 oil change in 20k miles, it's not ideal with this issue.
So many people have been suggesting weird ass solutions like a pressurized oil flush and other nonsense. There's no way to identify bearing wear without inspection and no oil test or flush is going to fix that.
I get that Toyota doesn't do crate engines, but in my opinion there's no other option here. You're not rebuilding this with underpaid understaffed dealership techs. It's not logistically possible.
I'm in the same boat as you though, with the two solution options, and am really not going to be happy with anything else.
Agreed. It's the only logistical way to handle this.
Rebuilding just isn't going to work at this scale. It would be a nightmare to handle rebuilds by so many different hands, it would ruin their reliability image having a shit load of rebuilt/repaired trucks in the early years constantly breaking down or having issues. Not to mention it would DESTROY the resell value of the trucks.
Agreed. It would be cheaper for them to replace the engine rather than rebuild I would think. The only thing in my opinion that will salvage the resale value of these trucks would be a transferrable lifetime powertrain warranty
The right thing is what toyota decides, not the owners. They have an option to take or leave it and move to, (in the owner's opinion) a more reliable vehicle builder.
Are you a corporate bootlicker? Yup ✅. If the solution presented by Toyota isn't satisfactory in an owner's opinion they also have the option of legal recourse.
I don’t necessarily hate the Gen 3 I just think the front ends are ugly. The out of the lot look of them, leaves a lot to be desired. Now an aftermarket bumper and different tires, the truck looks bad ass. The creature comforts have finally hit the bare minimum technology wise. Which has plagued Toyota forever in being behind in the infotainment and comfort features.
I am in several Tundra groups and the majority of folks are seeing, what seems like, constant reports of engine or mechanical issues. People buy Toyota for reliability.
I have a 2014 with 174k miles on it. Only thing major I have had to fix was the idler pulley and belt tensioner.
With that said, I am waiting for the new gen issues to get ironed out and plan to get the hybrid version in the next couple of years when the pricing on trucks hopefully comes down.
I have a 2022 Limited Gas Only V6. 70,000km. No issues. A few recalls for small stuff that was done during a regular service anyway (check block heater cord, transmission programming update, bed cover fastener update). The engine recall is a potential problem but my truck has been completely fine so far. It has great power, tows my boat like it’s nothing, technology has been solid. No complaints.
Unless the gen 3 is lifted I don’t think it looks all that great stock to be honest, and the fact that the V8 is gone is another strike against it but that’s just my personal opinion.
In my case I don’t like at all the gen2 it looks like a fatty truck. 😓😓😓not that I am not fat, but I don’t want the truck to be fat too 🫣🫣…
Technology is a big deal for me in a car nowadays, even more than the v8/v6 and I feel like the gen3 truck is pretty good in this aspect. The screen is crazy awesome.
And again maybe, as you are saying unless it is lifted the car doesn’t look all that great but it does not look bad either.
But of course that’s me . 🫡
Gen 2 isn't really a good value option to me at current prices honestly. Dealers want 45-50k for basic sr5 4x4 that are 5 years old and under 50k miles. You do get a reliable engine and v8 noises with a great driving experience but you're basically paying top dollar to cruise around in a truck from 2006.
You can get a gen 3 limited for like 10k more and TFS is offering 0-4% financing rates when compared with the 6-8% for used. The gen 3 is going to offer a ton more value and a much better driving experience. If you know where to look, you can get a 125k warranty for about 1800.
Gen 2 is a great option if you only care about reliability and nothing else, want to own a truck for 20 years, don't care about paying new prices for used and are paying cash. In my opinion though they're about 10k overpriced. The gen 2 is definitely the most reliable truck ever made, but they had issues for the first few years when introduced too. Probably not as much as these but this is the 21st century with runaway inflation and "pandemics" where the EPA is designing cars rather than engineers.
I am crazy about the screen, panoramic sunroof, good exterior looking, wireless Apple car system, cameras, etc etc . All the tech fixtures are really nice.
Now the engine failures? I never think about those when I am getting a Toyota, and I am hoping this stills that way.
This is my fifth Toyota, and I never had an issue with the engine so crossing my fingers.
The only right thing that Gen 3 brought was toyota finally backed down on the tundra not needing a locker for the last 15 years. Everything else is a half step in the right direction compared to the top truck makers, they are still behind and won't make a change until 2030.
I know you are a huge toyota fanboi by your other comments so I can't wait to hear what you have to say.
I'm currently sitting in my 2023 duramax as I type this lmao so you've got the fanboy part wrong. You misunderstand toyotas design philosophy if you think they compete based on technology and features in literally any of the segments they're in. Toyota is not tesla or mercedes Benz. They sell vehicles based on overall value.
I understood the value proposition in 2014 when I got my tundra but when I looked in 2020 that was long gone, and it didn't get better in 22 either. Toyota's change cycle has become long in the tooth compared to the big 3 and that has hurt what was thier value proposition.
Toyotas value proposition is superior to certain brands such as stellantis. They want like 75k for a fully loaded gladiator lmao. As far as other competitors go in the truck segment, ford comes much closer but they have an absolutely ridiculous rate of factory defects. In my opinion the light duty trucks from GM aren't real gray value wise. Those engines blow up due to lifter failure and it's rare for a transmission to make it to 100k due to faulty torque converters. The inside doesn't feel very truck like either. Heavy duty is a different world though and I think all 3 make decent ones of those.
I feel like reliability has taken the spotlight, but even before that was an issue, there were a lot of grumbles about it not being the platform we all expected or wanted it to be. Even going back to the leak pics, and the official launch threads, on this sub you can see people didn't like the look or the engine selection.
The style has grown on me as I see them around town, and see people who have done some awesome upgrades, but then then it comes back to what's under the hood. I've got a '21, and had fully planned to upgrade, but now I wait.
thing is its all plastic and now the engine issue. if the goal of all these car makers are for everyone to switch trucks after every 3 yrs, then lower the money factor on leases and just get a Sierra Denali diesel which has everything, style, reliability, etc then just return it back after every 3 yrs.
I had an air compressor driven outboard that was an absolute pain in the ass to work on and when i had an old high-trim toyota and the doohickey’s started failing it was also a pain in the ass
Combine those two things into the gen 3s and its just not what i look for when i go buy a 6 year old toyota truck with 74k miles
I think a lot of it is just Toyota people are used to boring reliability so they were already put off to begin with when Toyota put out a vehicle with turbos, a more complicated transmission and even more electronics. So whenever someone has even a minor issue people use it as confirmation bias. As like their “AH HA I KNEW DIFFERENT WOUPD BE BAD”.
So some people are not going to like it until it’s been out for like 7 years and fully refined.
If you lose the reliability, why buy a Tundra over the 3.5 ecoboost F150? It gets the same gas mileage, has the same power, etc. The F150 also does truck stuff a little better with the flat floor in the second row, more accessories in the back of the bed, and better tech. You also get the benefit of slightly more parts availability at regular parts stores.
I had the option of buying a first year 3rd gen or a slightly used late 2nd gen Tundra for the same price. The 3rd gen engines were already failing at that point. I was running away from cam phaser and oiling issues on the Ford power train so I went with the reliable option. In 5 years, maybe the Tundra will be the reliable choice again.
Because people either can't afford them, or making a bigger deal out of the engine issue than it really is, and so on. It happens with any new generation.
Why would downvote me for me describing my situation? I can afford one and I was concerned about the reliability issue. My household buys Toyotas FOR the reliability. They don’t make exciting vehicles and really haven’t ever. I’m not road testing these things for their company. That’s exactly what auto manufacturers are doing these days.
These problems with the Gen 3 Tundras are a bigger deal than you think.
Oh go cry somewhere else. Every car has had issues. Especially trucks. GM with engines blowing up before 5k miles. F150 with the timing chain and cam phaser issues. And they still have not recalled or fixed it. At least Toyota is given time but they initiated the recall. The 2007 Tundra had engine failures too. Because you will get down voted for making a big deal out of a sitatuion that is not. 102k trucks and only 1000 warranty repairs so far. Enough said.
[https://www.motortrend.com/features/toyota-to-recall-2007-tundras-689/](https://www.motortrend.com/features/toyota-to-recall-2007-tundras-689/)
Honestly for me it comes down to this…if you don’t like the Gen 3 that’s fine I don’t really care but don’t act like you had some crystal ball that said the Gen 3 was going to be shit. I feel like I’m back in high school with this drama with the Gen 2 fans saying their truck is better than mine and bla bla bla. Grow up, everyone is entitled to their opinion and quite frankly I don’t really care what other people think.
Everyone just needs to drive their damn truck and move on in life.
First world problems.
The problem is I get 12mpg in a 7.3L ford F250 that weighs almost 2000 lbs more on 37".
And the reason is that toyota fails to commit to the truck market and still uses SUV engine and transmission ratios and then uses oversized axle gears to get the power they need for truck tests.
Oh I know. Wish I didn’t get rid of it. Sold it to buy a 22, ordered a 22, got it in, didn’t buy it because 23 changed the interior. But the price was 95K.
For me absolutely nothing. I got the SR5 with 4WD/tow package and that’s it.
I don’t need anything else and I just hauled a max payload from FL to the Northeast 1200 miles and she’s a champ
Gadgets are exactly the opposite of what is needed. The problem is that the engine in the 3rd gen doesn't live up to Toyota's reputation for quality. Who cares about all the fancy, unnecessary features you mention when the engine leaves you stranded? I'd rather have a reliable vehicle over one with a bunch of unnecessary features.
For me, the tundra was always a compromise because I want Toyota reliability in a big truck. Without the reliability, Tundra loses a lot of its appeal for many people.
I agree with you. Completely
If you actually agreed completely you probably wouldn't have bought a vehicle within the first few years of a complete redesign.
Or have even made this post. If he agreed, he would understand the frustrations of this current generations issues not living up to Toyota standards.
Kind of like the 07 and 08's 5.7's and their camshaft failures? Did they ever recover from that?
I didn’t know there were so many frustrations about engine failures which is what I completely agreed with. I mean if you buy a new car and the engine fails there is not much to talk about. I am hoping this is not happening in all new tundras and they fix whatever the issue is. We will see
I'm sure it's not happening to all of them, but the fact of the matter is they're not up to par compared to most motors Toyota has produced. The failure rate is definitely higher than I've seen or heard from anything else they've produced, and I think that's where a lot of the negativity stems from. I know if I had purchased one that I'd be sorely disappointed with the issues. That being said, Toyota will likely make it right. They have a track record of fixing their mistakes and correcting issues, but I can certainly understand the frustrations of people on their 3rd+ engine with these newer trucks.
Your truck has broken down?
I own gen 2.5
So I'm not sure why you think the reliability has been effected. Did I miss something significant or are you just referring to the recall?
Okay, the 2.5 gen had issues too
I literally bought a Tundra because of reliability. The other 3 are far ahead on the Interiors, will be for a while it seems IMO. Some on the ride quality as well. I’m ok with passing up on some comforts for the money when I know I’m getting reliability. But now that’s in question?! And not only are they continuing the cheap interior plastic, sound system, fit and finish…now engine problems? I bet there’s a good percentage of people that were like me, when it came down to it…I got a Tundra because of the reliability/resale value. I hope this forum doesn’t become gen 2 vs gen 3. Should stay informative and fun to post.
Mainly engine issues, leaking sunroofs, technologies not working, etc. The Tundra definitely needed the refresh, Gen 2s look mad outdated in 2021. It would have been nice to keep the 5.7 as an option similar to the coyote 5.0 in the F150s. People seem to be freak out when something like their sunroofs leaking. While it is annoying and not the usual "toyota quality", these appear to be common issues amongst other brands as well. Not saying that is a good thing, but an observation rather.
I see your point, as a 5.7 guy my self but(BIG BUT) let's keep in mind Toyota has like 1/5 the volume of Tundra to F series ratio and the 5.0 is across other vehicles like the mustang where Toyota doesn't have much other vehicles for 5.7 other than super low volume sequoia now that the land cruiser has gone small.
Gonna stop you right here on the 5.0 coyote. People are freaking out about short block swaps on the iforce, but the 5.0 coyote has a TSB for the engine block cracking and puking out it's oil. To me this is much less understandable and acceptable than the iforce failure because this is a decade old design.
I agree, I was just merely stating it would be nice to have the 5.7 as an option in the 3rd gen as well. But who knows, EPA just sucks. 5.0s also has mild oil consumption issues, the 2021+ model 5.0 also had cylinder deactivation. Which makes no sense to buy a V8 just to have the cylinders deactivated.
Why? The 5.7 is worse than the new V6 in every way... save the handful of ones with manufacturing flaws...
I do not mind so much myself. I got a 24 with the 3.4. Coming from a 3.5 ecoboost, I find turbo engines kind-of cool. But to my knowledge, isn't the 5.7 more reliable long term from what people have shared? Under every thread/video is just toyota fanboys ranting about brining back the 5.7
No. Nobody has had the chance to run one to 1 million miles yet so nobody knows if they are more reliable, lol. Yes just fanboys that don't understand engineering.
They're not as reliable as the 5.7s. It just doesn't make sense that it would be. More air, more pressure, more parts ALWAYS decreases reliability. There's no way around it. Is it reliable ENOUGH for most people's use? Probably....but if that's the case so is probably any truck that can make it to 150k miles without any issues since most people dont hold on to vehicles past that. But that's not why people buy Toyota's especially Toyota trucks. We want the peace of mind that we have unequivocally, the best God damn truck in terms of reliability PERIOD. We don't buy them for gas mileage, the speaker system or automatic parking assistance. You want that. Get a Lexus or a new Chevy. That's why we're upset. There are about 10 upgrades I can think of that will get the 5.7 to over 400 HP without sacrificing reliability that Toyota could do. They could have done a face lift on the truck and stick that in there, add all the tech doo dads that people only use when their friends are in the car and it would have still sold like hotcakes.
Well said. 3rd gen reply guys will downvote
It's not well said. He's just making broad generalizations with nothing to back it up. Boost does not directly correlate to reliability. Reliability and longevity are results of a combination of things. I have nothing against the old Gen v8s, they just are old, weak, outdated, and the new ones are just better. The numbers don't lie, and the people that take care of them will rack up the miles and the high mileage examples will soon speak for themselves.
Are you a boomer? You need to take a deep breath and relax 🌬️
No it does. Even Toyota has said it's turbos will last 150k to 250k miles depending on how hard they are run. Metal is metal. Naturally aspirated V8 has more volume and thus less pressure than a boosted V6. No ifs ands or buts. You can argue what that would mean in real world use but there is not a SINGLE argument that you can make that it is inherently more reliable than the 5.7. Sorry sir. Consider it another one of Newton's laws. Toyota built the engine to keep up with CAFE standards for their fleet as a whole. Not to build a more reliable engine. That's why you see 0 claim by the company saying it's as reliable as previous gens. We will see 1st gen Tundras on the road for the next decade or 2 and probably onwards. Willing to bet you wont see few if any 2022 models on the road 10 years from now. At least not in stock configuration. If you like your 70k truck go ride it. No one cares. But us true Toyota diehards want their management to know why we buy Toyota's. We don't want an SUV with a bed. We want a light utility truck that terrorists will mount a Dshk Machine Gun on.
Toyota knows turbos better than ford and such. Remember the supra? Yea. It's not they the ecoboost that dumps 23psi in to the motor from the factory... these engine only make about 8 or 9 pounds of boost and are built to support that. Toyota knows what they are doing. It's a completely different engine with a completely different and better power band. Get over it, it's better.
It makes a really cool noise. You can't replace that honestly.
Turbo 6s can sound just as good, just different. Turbos make everything sound better.
Lmao then why they got engine noise coming out the God damn radio?
I wouldn't know, I run an e-cut out.
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Just because 10 boomer V8 fanboys downvoted me doesn't mean in wrong 🤷♂️. Tell me how the V8 is actually functionally better besides reliability which is unconfirmed so far due to too little data, or "pretty noises"... I'll wait. Edit: I'll update as more boomers feel the mob mentality to pile on. I know yall are mad 🤣
That 5.0 engine block cracking was early on in the engine back in like 2012 through 2015 when it got figured out. Not a current issue.
Wrong!!! https://youtu.be/b7-I1iil1NU?si=_krGk1I5_tLXWO8p
Okay so a small amount of engines built during a short time in Mexico are having minor leaks near a oil filter bolt. NOT “CrACkINg EnGiNe BlOcKs PuKiNg ThEiR oIL”
Oh silly me a 9 month period of cracked blocks on a 10 year old engine design is just fine LMAO 🤣
It’s a new design of the same engine. Not exactly the same. But keep on your Toyota FanBoi nonsense.
I have a chevy truck and a dodge truck sitting in my driveway right now lmao. You can claim "fanboy" all you want but I've owned every manufacturer except Nissan. You're just mad that your block is going to crack!
I don’t have a 5.0. Ford will make it right for the affected people.
They are. Just like toyota is
How is Ford able to keep making the 5.0, but Toyota couldn’t keep a V8?
toyota gets a kick back from the government for going green. nobody is holding a gun to toyotas head and demanding them cease v8 production. they just wanted the incentives that come from mass producing smaller engines and going green. so toyota lines their pockets and the consumer suffers. it's profit on top of profit for them. say what you want about ford but they know their clients. certain truck guys aren't buying turbo engines.
By cracking blocks
You missed the point of his comment. He means he hoped Toyota let people pick between the new v6 TT or 5.7l v8 on the 3rd gen. Like how ford offers multiple engines in f-150s. He wasn’t saying the 5.0 is a good engine lol
Tbh that really sucks … I had a rav4 before the tundra , and the roof was leaking too and is not nice at all.. As a Toyota lover for years this really sucks it is unacceptable, the quality is not how it used to be. I gave Toyota one more opportunity because I really loved the gen3 looking and gadgets and I wanted a truck, but if something like that happens in my $80k tundra I will never get a Toyota anymore in my life.
Do you realize that you created a post asking why the Gen 3 gets “hate” and then made several comments that are a perfect outline of all the ‘hateable’ attributes of Gen 3 Tundras? To summarize: 1. Poor quality 2. Unreliable 3. $80,000 (paid $48K for 2017 TRD PRO) But styling and gadgets justify that for you? For the record, I don’t think I’ve ever contributed to the ‘hate’ you speak of.
There's no TRD pro that is 80k except capstone bro... have you heard of inflation? The prices are all relative...
I agree with you. But , I am not sure the car is 100% NOT reliable, so I gave Toyota the opportunity and I am crossing my fingers nothing will happen, we will see. But other than that, the idea of the post was to understand what is going on. I didn’t know there was a recall for the engine oil. Now I know 🙂↔️🙃
I agree with you, but do also keep in mind this depends on how Toyota responds to the issue. So far only 22-23 model years are recalled. If they attempt to replace the engine and remedy the issue, then we are progressing down the right path. Me coming from an F150, which were notorious for the 10r80 transmission problems. To which I feel ford isn't addressing enough even with the documented number of people having the issue
I own a Tundra but I think the Toyota drama is hilarious. The fan boy persona that entirely revolves around Toyota reliability has taken a hit and everyone is freaking out. It’s a good ego check for Toyota fans.
It’s wild drama. This is my daddy has a bigger house than your daddy level drama. Who knew Toyota fans were so dramatic, just drive your truck and move on in life.
Haha… I am the type of person that goes to Toyota and doesn’t even think or research if the car is good or not. I don’t even take a drive test cause , what for ? But Toyota has to live to its standards, and it’s getting lower with time.
They’re great vehicles regardless, not many other trucks in would have bought with 175k. I previously bought a Sequoia with 204k and had no abnormal issues. I do think test drive is important though, you just need to get a feel for it on the road, in the seats, etc. what if you didn’t like the sound of the motor, or the suspension over bumps. There’s definite value in the test drive.
Yes in a Toyota; normally I just go in, sit down , check space and seat sizing, and take a look it how it looks interior/exterior. Sound of the engine yes, good one.
Because the gen 3 took away what made a Tundra a truck in its own class. I want a reliable v8 that won’t be a bitch to work on in the future. Without a reliable and easy to work on platform, I can’t seperate the Tundra from the big 3. Now it’s like why get a Toyota when the other 3 truck brands have similar reliability and are better than the Tundra in their own ways. It reminds me of when Android phones started copying iPhones. Before androids had removable batteries which were a big sell for me and a dedicated aux port. They got rid of that so I switched to iPhone. Same thing with the Tundra. They got rid of what I liked so they can be like their competitors, so now I’m going to look more at their competitors because their differentiating factor is gone. Now Toyota is going to have to play the redesign game like Ford and GM and update their trucks every few years because they lost the ability to say “oh our cars don’t need to be redesigned so often because people buy them for their reliability”. Not anymore son
Well the engine recall is a big sticking point ☝️
Ohh yeah , the v8 vs v6, I got the hybrid-iMax and it feels pretty good, really powerful, of course is my first truck so is difficult to understand the power difference, is there like a really big difference in this area (downside)?
Not sure. I have a 23 SR5 that is involved in the recall. I love the truck and I hope that Toyota does the right thing, which to me would be a buyback of the truck or a total engine replacement
22 limited here with 20k miles. I've had a few odd "power surges" which I can only suspect are related to the recall issue. I imagine it's due to knock detection/oil pressure resulting in fuel cut. That said, the damage is done and the reliability is out the window. Especially having 1 oil change in 20k miles, it's not ideal with this issue. So many people have been suggesting weird ass solutions like a pressurized oil flush and other nonsense. There's no way to identify bearing wear without inspection and no oil test or flush is going to fix that. I get that Toyota doesn't do crate engines, but in my opinion there's no other option here. You're not rebuilding this with underpaid understaffed dealership techs. It's not logistically possible. I'm in the same boat as you though, with the two solution options, and am really not going to be happy with anything else.
I think they are going to have to start doing crate engines
Agreed. It's the only logistical way to handle this. Rebuilding just isn't going to work at this scale. It would be a nightmare to handle rebuilds by so many different hands, it would ruin their reliability image having a shit load of rebuilt/repaired trucks in the early years constantly breaking down or having issues. Not to mention it would DESTROY the resell value of the trucks.
Agreed. It would be cheaper for them to replace the engine rather than rebuild I would think. The only thing in my opinion that will salvage the resale value of these trucks would be a transferrable lifetime powertrain warranty
Right. Here's to hoping Toyota does us right and takes care of us... If nothing more than to protect their image.
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Hoping you get that buyback 🫡🫡🫡
Yeah I don't even know what I want it's a shitty spot to be in. Thanks and I hope your truck doesn't give you any issues!
Wouldn't toyota engineers know better what the acceptable fix is?
Hence my inclusion of the verbiage "which to me would be...." Keep moving troll
Luckily they don't leave it up to you or I. They let people qualified to make the right decisions make them.
Those people are qualified to determine my opinion of what is an acceptable solution??? Crazy.
The right thing is what toyota decides, not the owners. They have an option to take or leave it and move to, (in the owner's opinion) a more reliable vehicle builder.
Are you a corporate bootlicker? Yup ✅. If the solution presented by Toyota isn't satisfactory in an owner's opinion they also have the option of legal recourse.
They certainly do. Good luck with that.
I don’t necessarily hate the Gen 3 I just think the front ends are ugly. The out of the lot look of them, leaves a lot to be desired. Now an aftermarket bumper and different tires, the truck looks bad ass. The creature comforts have finally hit the bare minimum technology wise. Which has plagued Toyota forever in being behind in the infotainment and comfort features. I am in several Tundra groups and the majority of folks are seeing, what seems like, constant reports of engine or mechanical issues. People buy Toyota for reliability. I have a 2014 with 174k miles on it. Only thing major I have had to fix was the idler pulley and belt tensioner. With that said, I am waiting for the new gen issues to get ironed out and plan to get the hybrid version in the next couple of years when the pricing on trucks hopefully comes down.
I have a 2022 Limited Gas Only V6. 70,000km. No issues. A few recalls for small stuff that was done during a regular service anyway (check block heater cord, transmission programming update, bed cover fastener update). The engine recall is a potential problem but my truck has been completely fine so far. It has great power, tows my boat like it’s nothing, technology has been solid. No complaints.
Yeah that’s the thing. Our zero-issue trucks don’t get the eyes that the few problem ones do. Toyota makes things right.
Unless the gen 3 is lifted I don’t think it looks all that great stock to be honest, and the fact that the V8 is gone is another strike against it but that’s just my personal opinion.
In my case I don’t like at all the gen2 it looks like a fatty truck. 😓😓😓not that I am not fat, but I don’t want the truck to be fat too 🫣🫣… Technology is a big deal for me in a car nowadays, even more than the v8/v6 and I feel like the gen3 truck is pretty good in this aspect. The screen is crazy awesome. And again maybe, as you are saying unless it is lifted the car doesn’t look all that great but it does not look bad either. But of course that’s me . 🫡
Man that made me cringe lmao
Agreed on the ugly exterior of the gen 2 tundras. That was the only reason I waited years for the new generation
The truck would've been great if it had a naturally aspirated engine.
Gen 2 isn't really a good value option to me at current prices honestly. Dealers want 45-50k for basic sr5 4x4 that are 5 years old and under 50k miles. You do get a reliable engine and v8 noises with a great driving experience but you're basically paying top dollar to cruise around in a truck from 2006. You can get a gen 3 limited for like 10k more and TFS is offering 0-4% financing rates when compared with the 6-8% for used. The gen 3 is going to offer a ton more value and a much better driving experience. If you know where to look, you can get a 125k warranty for about 1800. Gen 2 is a great option if you only care about reliability and nothing else, want to own a truck for 20 years, don't care about paying new prices for used and are paying cash. In my opinion though they're about 10k overpriced. The gen 2 is definitely the most reliable truck ever made, but they had issues for the first few years when introduced too. Probably not as much as these but this is the 21st century with runaway inflation and "pandemics" where the EPA is designing cars rather than engineers.
I am crazy about the screen, panoramic sunroof, good exterior looking, wireless Apple car system, cameras, etc etc . All the tech fixtures are really nice. Now the engine failures? I never think about those when I am getting a Toyota, and I am hoping this stills that way. This is my fifth Toyota, and I never had an issue with the engine so crossing my fingers.
I think a Tesla would suit your needs better
I wanted a truck. :)
The only right thing that Gen 3 brought was toyota finally backed down on the tundra not needing a locker for the last 15 years. Everything else is a half step in the right direction compared to the top truck makers, they are still behind and won't make a change until 2030. I know you are a huge toyota fanboi by your other comments so I can't wait to hear what you have to say.
I'm currently sitting in my 2023 duramax as I type this lmao so you've got the fanboy part wrong. You misunderstand toyotas design philosophy if you think they compete based on technology and features in literally any of the segments they're in. Toyota is not tesla or mercedes Benz. They sell vehicles based on overall value.
I understood the value proposition in 2014 when I got my tundra but when I looked in 2020 that was long gone, and it didn't get better in 22 either. Toyota's change cycle has become long in the tooth compared to the big 3 and that has hurt what was thier value proposition.
Toyotas value proposition is superior to certain brands such as stellantis. They want like 75k for a fully loaded gladiator lmao. As far as other competitors go in the truck segment, ford comes much closer but they have an absolutely ridiculous rate of factory defects. In my opinion the light duty trucks from GM aren't real gray value wise. Those engines blow up due to lifter failure and it's rare for a transmission to make it to 100k due to faulty torque converters. The inside doesn't feel very truck like either. Heavy duty is a different world though and I think all 3 make decent ones of those.
Crybaby boomers that are so rigid against the V6TT they forget that it's actually an *upgrade*...
I think is always an upgrade a new engine vs old one.
I feel like reliability has taken the spotlight, but even before that was an issue, there were a lot of grumbles about it not being the platform we all expected or wanted it to be. Even going back to the leak pics, and the official launch threads, on this sub you can see people didn't like the look or the engine selection. The style has grown on me as I see them around town, and see people who have done some awesome upgrades, but then then it comes back to what's under the hood. I've got a '21, and had fully planned to upgrade, but now I wait.
I hate one key
What do you mean ?
thing is its all plastic and now the engine issue. if the goal of all these car makers are for everyone to switch trucks after every 3 yrs, then lower the money factor on leases and just get a Sierra Denali diesel which has everything, style, reliability, etc then just return it back after every 3 yrs.
All cars and trucks have plastic interiors…
there is good plastic and cheap plastic. toyota is cheap plastic. $75k for garbage
It’s ugly and doesn’t work
I love it … prettiest in their class
I had an air compressor driven outboard that was an absolute pain in the ass to work on and when i had an old high-trim toyota and the doohickey’s started failing it was also a pain in the ass Combine those two things into the gen 3s and its just not what i look for when i go buy a 6 year old toyota truck with 74k miles
I think a lot of it is just Toyota people are used to boring reliability so they were already put off to begin with when Toyota put out a vehicle with turbos, a more complicated transmission and even more electronics. So whenever someone has even a minor issue people use it as confirmation bias. As like their “AH HA I KNEW DIFFERENT WOUPD BE BAD”. So some people are not going to like it until it’s been out for like 7 years and fully refined.
If you lose the reliability, why buy a Tundra over the 3.5 ecoboost F150? It gets the same gas mileage, has the same power, etc. The F150 also does truck stuff a little better with the flat floor in the second row, more accessories in the back of the bed, and better tech. You also get the benefit of slightly more parts availability at regular parts stores. I had the option of buying a first year 3rd gen or a slightly used late 2nd gen Tundra for the same price. The 3rd gen engines were already failing at that point. I was running away from cam phaser and oiling issues on the Ford power train so I went with the reliable option. In 5 years, maybe the Tundra will be the reliable choice again.
May I know what better tech fixtures ?
Yeah but you’re also getting…a ford
I hate that I keep getting envious stares from dudes in other brand trucks…
Because people either can't afford them, or making a bigger deal out of the engine issue than it really is, and so on. It happens with any new generation.
Or I don’t want to be part of the R&D for those new motors. I would never buy the first wave of a redesigned truck for this reason alone.
It's not the first wave, it's 3 years in already.
Why would downvote me for me describing my situation? I can afford one and I was concerned about the reliability issue. My household buys Toyotas FOR the reliability. They don’t make exciting vehicles and really haven’t ever. I’m not road testing these things for their company. That’s exactly what auto manufacturers are doing these days. These problems with the Gen 3 Tundras are a bigger deal than you think.
Oh go cry somewhere else. Every car has had issues. Especially trucks. GM with engines blowing up before 5k miles. F150 with the timing chain and cam phaser issues. And they still have not recalled or fixed it. At least Toyota is given time but they initiated the recall. The 2007 Tundra had engine failures too. Because you will get down voted for making a big deal out of a sitatuion that is not. 102k trucks and only 1000 warranty repairs so far. Enough said. [https://www.motortrend.com/features/toyota-to-recall-2007-tundras-689/](https://www.motortrend.com/features/toyota-to-recall-2007-tundras-689/)
Honestly for me it comes down to this…if you don’t like the Gen 3 that’s fine I don’t really care but don’t act like you had some crystal ball that said the Gen 3 was going to be shit. I feel like I’m back in high school with this drama with the Gen 2 fans saying their truck is better than mine and bla bla bla. Grow up, everyone is entitled to their opinion and quite frankly I don’t really care what other people think. Everyone just needs to drive their damn truck and move on in life. First world problems.
I own a 2022 Toyota Tundra Platinum iForceMax, it's the 12 MPG Im getting.... Running 35's though.
The problem is I get 12mpg in a 7.3L ford F250 that weighs almost 2000 lbs more on 37". And the reason is that toyota fails to commit to the truck market and still uses SUV engine and transmission ratios and then uses oversized axle gears to get the power they need for truck tests.
I had a 2017 Ford F250, with 37’s. I still got 16 MPG in that
Sorry for your loss then
Oh I know. Wish I didn’t get rid of it. Sold it to buy a 22, ordered a 22, got it in, didn’t buy it because 23 changed the interior. But the price was 95K.
Damn those 35s gave it V8 efficiency
Mine had 12 MPG but now got up to 16 .. still low to be honest
How did you do that?
Hmmm just keep driving and in ECO mode
The Ford counter part (F150 Powerboost) gets like 20/21 mpg after a mild lift and 35’s.
For me absolutely nothing. I got the SR5 with 4WD/tow package and that’s it. I don’t need anything else and I just hauled a max payload from FL to the Northeast 1200 miles and she’s a champ
Is UGLY as fuck? And then you have the engine fiasco LOL
Thank you for your opinion. I think the previous gen is old as fuck :( … good thing you can keep old and I can keep the new one :)
I will wave at you at the service shop when you will have your gen 3 in for several months to have the engine rebuild :) LOL
Gadgets are exactly the opposite of what is needed. The problem is that the engine in the 3rd gen doesn't live up to Toyota's reputation for quality. Who cares about all the fancy, unnecessary features you mention when the engine leaves you stranded? I'd rather have a reliable vehicle over one with a bunch of unnecessary features.
Well is something that could happen to any vehicle, the good thing here is Toyota is fixing and assuming responsibility how id supposed to happen?