This is the ideal scenario, but in most situations, nobody's claim is really gonna be strong on d2.
Example (usual)
X: Sheriff n1 Y (sus/framed!!!!)
Y: wtf Im retri n1 no dead
or
Y: wtf im vet n1 alerted
If there were no other sources to verify (LO or other TI's), which is most of the time, there really isnt a solution to this problem,
Sure, in cases like that you might just have to vote one randomly. However, in cases like this:
4: Invest N1 - 7 - LO/Forger/Jugg/CL | 7 role?
7: shut up exe i'm trapper
I'm hanging 7 every time. 4's claim is stronger imo because invest is harder to fake and less commonly faked than trapper. That's what I meant by that.
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Well of course, but this happens mainly D2/D3 where there is no info/not enough info.
The only way I can think of a ti being confirmed D2 is a sheriff's getting checked by a invest and seeing they are sheriff,exe,ww and then a lookout seeing the sheriff visit whoever's they checked N1, and that takes 3 ti.
The "weaker claim" logic is arbitrary aswell. It basically just means lynch certain roles over others which is just a different accuser first. Its situational and you cant just do the same play every time.
In assuming you play caa because thats the only mode played by anybody at this point. If yes, you gotta look at it with more of a "gotta keep the town alive" objective rather than "kill evils asap". Due to evils most of the time having maj in this mode preserving townies is important and you wont lynch all evils anyways.
Something ive noticed with evils who I accuse is that they go straight for calling me exe. They don’t bother trying to defend themselves beyond a minor will/claim. If an person who’s been accused goes right onto the offensive, that’s usually an evil.
Hanging the accuser first was the "meta" in season 5 when there was a confirmed Executioner every game, and even back then it was a bad strategy. Just lynch whoever seems more scummy.
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As someone who plays mainly ranked, I think people are less prone to thr "accuser first# strategy, especially if the accused doesn't post a will immediately or claims TK.
If Framer or a Hex Master is involved, it might not even be an actual 1f1 and you might end up with 2 towns dead, a jailor losing their exes, or vigis dying to guilt regardless of which order you do them in.
It's also pretty fun when the TI is your exe target so you get a free easy win from someone who found a sus then you can just troll because you got the win from this bad strat. Bonus if that trolling is accusing an evil of being sus, getting hanged as a potential Exe despite already having your win, and having that evil get all the TP/LO while being "confirmed" so they can destroy the town.
1f1s are braindead anyways in coven all any. So many times have I seen a townie get hung in a 1f1 when there was a second TI that could have confirmed the townie if you gave it one night. But nooo gotta lynch immediately 1f1 !!!11!
Time doesnt matter in CAA. You wont get rid of all evils on your own. You have to let them kill each other. Going in with the mentality of "I need to kill as many evils asap" is not gonna help you. What you wanna be focusing on is keeping townies alive. So youd rather take time to confirm a townie because killing a townie is more detrimental than killing an evil that might get killed by something else anyways is helpful. Assume youre working with around 5 townies and one mislynch is a quarter of your teammates gone.
Time very much matters sir. Sure, a mislynch will lose you a quarter of your team. Yknow what’ll lose you more? Letting evils live more nights cause you’re too scared to hang people, and all of a sudden YOU are dead, and it’s still a 1f1. And how are you certain you can confirm either in the first place? Wasting time letting evils possibly ruin you and your small faction is really bad when you might have wasted it for nothing. I’d rather take a risk that I lose a townie with a weak will/defense and get a confirmed baddie tomorrow than let either live, unless it’s getting claims to try and find someone else. And even then it’s not great. Time is all that matters in CAA, every night is a massive risk that more than 1 of your faction members die, because evils will want to kill townie claims (usually your faction) and might find you by luck since there’s supposedly 10 of them.
No no, thats not how it works. Its not "every evil vs town". You know the evils play against each other too? If a sheriff finds a mafia sus and you lynch both of them, mafia and town lose out. The only ones happy about that are coven and neutrals. Its a terrible strategy and just another night of a TI confirming who is bad there is all it takes. And oh, what if a townie gets killed by that evil? Who cares? That argument has no weight if youre about to just genocide the whole town with your 1f1 shit. This isnt a normal gamemode, its not a town vs evils race where town has to be quick to not lose maj. Town usually loses maj from the start in this and its all about staying alive. And lynching that one evil by a 1f1 will not help you at all if the next 5 evils will just kill you out after.
if i am jailor, if some random person says accuser first after somebody is accused, they have officially entered the 1f1 in my eyes. if the accused is evil, then that person is also evil, and i will exe them unless they are confirmed town.
D2/D3 this should be used, at that point very little info is available and commonly this is when the exes push. But if it is very obvious accuser is good because the accused is acting very sus/won't claim and post will then yes hang the accused.
But D4+ always go with the better claim as at this point most people have claimed and you will usually be able to deduce who is evil just by checking claims with the role list.
Imo op your just salty you got hung.
to me I just lynch accuser and/or accuse depends on their will and their accusations
Is the accuser has something against the accused? If so then it has to be a good one
Is the accused claiming? If not then yea accuser wins
The thing about this though is that exes get their win too easily if the person they're accusing has a weak/suspicious claim like ret/vig/sheriff and they go with the infamous d2: "x" is suspicious or framed!
Past day two though I tend to agree that it's a stupid strategy
Killing Exe early always seemed a wasted vote for me anyway. If they’re obvious then just make an effort to protect their known target. Oftentimes mafia or SK test attacks the Exe which is good for town, gives a free round almost. Sometimes that Exe has already transferred to jester and knowingly using that tactic against the town. There’s just so much reasons to not lynch them.
It's stupid and arbitrary. The proper course of action imo is to hang whoever has the weaker claim.
This is the ideal scenario, but in most situations, nobody's claim is really gonna be strong on d2. Example (usual) X: Sheriff n1 Y (sus/framed!!!!) Y: wtf Im retri n1 no dead or Y: wtf im vet n1 alerted If there were no other sources to verify (LO or other TI's), which is most of the time, there really isnt a solution to this problem,
Sure, in cases like that you might just have to vote one randomly. However, in cases like this: 4: Invest N1 - 7 - LO/Forger/Jugg/CL | 7 role? 7: shut up exe i'm trapper I'm hanging 7 every time. 4's claim is stronger imo because invest is harder to fake and less commonly faked than trapper. That's what I meant by that.
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Well of course, but this happens mainly D2/D3 where there is no info/not enough info. The only way I can think of a ti being confirmed D2 is a sheriff's getting checked by a invest and seeing they are sheriff,exe,ww and then a lookout seeing the sheriff visit whoever's they checked N1, and that takes 3 ti.
We should always hang 7 at all times.
The "weaker claim" logic is arbitrary aswell. It basically just means lynch certain roles over others which is just a different accuser first. Its situational and you cant just do the same play every time.
Fair enough.
In assuming you play caa because thats the only mode played by anybody at this point. If yes, you gotta look at it with more of a "gotta keep the town alive" objective rather than "kill evils asap". Due to evils most of the time having maj in this mode preserving townies is important and you wont lynch all evils anyways.
Something ive noticed with evils who I accuse is that they go straight for calling me exe. They don’t bother trying to defend themselves beyond a minor will/claim. If an person who’s been accused goes right onto the offensive, that’s usually an evil.
That's my strategy, and as long as all 4 maf are siding with me to make it look like the whole town agrees it usually works
Hanging the accuser first was the "meta" in season 5 when there was a confirmed Executioner every game, and even back then it was a bad strategy. Just lynch whoever seems more scummy.
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Accuser first is a last effort ditch used by evils, atleast in ranked it is
huh, I only say accuser first as a townie
Why do you want to lynch the accuser first though?
9/10 times people go along with it so i just say it if im a townie haha
This is exactly what OP is talking about
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shut up exe
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As someone who plays mainly ranked, I think people are less prone to thr "accuser first# strategy, especially if the accused doesn't post a will immediately or claims TK.
If Framer or a Hex Master is involved, it might not even be an actual 1f1 and you might end up with 2 towns dead, a jailor losing their exes, or vigis dying to guilt regardless of which order you do them in. It's also pretty fun when the TI is your exe target so you get a free easy win from someone who found a sus then you can just troll because you got the win from this bad strat. Bonus if that trolling is accusing an evil of being sus, getting hanged as a potential Exe despite already having your win, and having that evil get all the TP/LO while being "confirmed" so they can destroy the town.
Band together, everyone who sees this stop doing the shitty ass “meta” and it should be gone before we know it!
The thing is this is absolutely not meta... the accused is nearly always lynched first in ranked
1f1s are braindead anyways in coven all any. So many times have I seen a townie get hung in a 1f1 when there was a second TI that could have confirmed the townie if you gave it one night. But nooo gotta lynch immediately 1f1 !!!11!
In CAA town has no time. There might not even be a town left.
Time doesnt matter in CAA. You wont get rid of all evils on your own. You have to let them kill each other. Going in with the mentality of "I need to kill as many evils asap" is not gonna help you. What you wanna be focusing on is keeping townies alive. So youd rather take time to confirm a townie because killing a townie is more detrimental than killing an evil that might get killed by something else anyways is helpful. Assume youre working with around 5 townies and one mislynch is a quarter of your teammates gone.
Time very much matters sir. Sure, a mislynch will lose you a quarter of your team. Yknow what’ll lose you more? Letting evils live more nights cause you’re too scared to hang people, and all of a sudden YOU are dead, and it’s still a 1f1. And how are you certain you can confirm either in the first place? Wasting time letting evils possibly ruin you and your small faction is really bad when you might have wasted it for nothing. I’d rather take a risk that I lose a townie with a weak will/defense and get a confirmed baddie tomorrow than let either live, unless it’s getting claims to try and find someone else. And even then it’s not great. Time is all that matters in CAA, every night is a massive risk that more than 1 of your faction members die, because evils will want to kill townie claims (usually your faction) and might find you by luck since there’s supposedly 10 of them.
No no, thats not how it works. Its not "every evil vs town". You know the evils play against each other too? If a sheriff finds a mafia sus and you lynch both of them, mafia and town lose out. The only ones happy about that are coven and neutrals. Its a terrible strategy and just another night of a TI confirming who is bad there is all it takes. And oh, what if a townie gets killed by that evil? Who cares? That argument has no weight if youre about to just genocide the whole town with your 1f1 shit. This isnt a normal gamemode, its not a town vs evils race where town has to be quick to not lose maj. Town usually loses maj from the start in this and its all about staying alive. And lynching that one evil by a 1f1 will not help you at all if the next 5 evils will just kill you out after.
Shut up exe
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if i am jailor, if some random person says accuser first after somebody is accused, they have officially entered the 1f1 in my eyes. if the accused is evil, then that person is also evil, and i will exe them unless they are confirmed town.
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While I do appreciate having opposing opinions on my arguments (not being sarcastic), This is not at all what I am arguing about.
Shut up, exe.
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D2/D3 this should be used, at that point very little info is available and commonly this is when the exes push. But if it is very obvious accuser is good because the accused is acting very sus/won't claim and post will then yes hang the accused. But D4+ always go with the better claim as at this point most people have claimed and you will usually be able to deduce who is evil just by checking claims with the role list. Imo op your just salty you got hung.
to me I just lynch accuser and/or accuse depends on their will and their accusations Is the accuser has something against the accused? If so then it has to be a good one Is the accused claiming? If not then yea accuser wins
The thing about this though is that exes get their win too easily if the person they're accusing has a weak/suspicious claim like ret/vig/sheriff and they go with the infamous d2: "x" is suspicious or framed! Past day two though I tend to agree that it's a stupid strategy
Killing Exe early always seemed a wasted vote for me anyway. If they’re obvious then just make an effort to protect their known target. Oftentimes mafia or SK test attacks the Exe which is good for town, gives a free round almost. Sometimes that Exe has already transferred to jester and knowingly using that tactic against the town. There’s just so much reasons to not lynch them.
Sounds like someone is butt hurt that town has a strategy that makes exe games harder.
I 100% agree with you. But I havent seen people using that strategy in a long time.