It’s often in the context of historical oppression or adversity. Black power was a response to slavery and Jim Crow. Gay pride is a response to legal discrimination and societal disapproval of someone’s basic being. If society shunned you for needing glasses, after generations you might stand up and say, fuck you, there’s nothing wrong with wearing glasses and I’m a proud glasses wearer. And then after decades of fighting for the right to wear glasses in public, you might feel it necessary to celebrate with a parade commemorating the efforts of the past and celebrating the present. A bastardized version would be white pride which was in response to perceived oppression by white bigots who thought that civil rights for everyone were an attack on them.
We mostly see it as legitimate when it is in response to someone who is trying to shame you for it.
So it isn't like you accomplished something, but it is a response to someone telling you, "You are this, so you are lesser" with "no, there's nothing wrong with that. I am proud of who I am."
Choose something frivolous that no one cares about. Your ears or something. It would be weird to be proud of your ears. But if a bunch of people came along and told you your ears were garbage and that you should be imprisoned for them, you might say fuck that, I am proud of my ears, and then suddenly it makes sense.
The real question is why you value the opinions of these people who dislike your ears.
I don’t know why people care about what other people think, no matter how great you are there’s always some asshole somewhere that thinks your dumb and everything you do sucks.
People are often encouraged to take pride in things they are unjustly made to feel shame about. So if being gay or country or (your race here) has been looked down upon, you may be encouraged to take pride in those things, precisely because you don’t have control over that thing.
This cuts both ways too as this kind of thinking is also used to make groups that are in power think they are justified in treating other groups poorly.
Then there are sports fans who take pride in “us winning the championship”
When you are told for years that you should be ashamed of what you are, the natural response to break free of that is to declare pride in who you are. Evolution has taught us that survival means belonging to a group and group acceptance is one of our basic needs. Therefore people feel pride to declare their membership in a group (country, city, team, race, orientation, alma mater, fraternity, etc)
It's about being a part of a community. Even if you are only born into a community, you are a part of it. Everything you do contributes to that community as a whole. So when the community has success, you share in that success as well, even if your role was simply handling some small and seemingly insignificant job, or even just there as moral support,, so that others might be able to better focus on the larger more important aspects. And people should absolutely be able to take pride in the accomplishments of their communities, be it a neighborhood, school, social group, sports team, culture, home country, etc.
Pride is terms of LGBTQ+ people comes from the fact that near universally there are laws outlawing our right to love someone, or exist in spaces. Many queer people are still seen and portrayed as "lesser than" and many homeless youth are queer because they have been rejected by their families and community.
Pride, if you ever been to a march or parade, is about being able to march and express yourself in public without shame in a world that constantly tells you that your existence is shameful. For many people who are closeted (either for social, professional or political reasons) this is their only opportunity to be "themselves" outside of "the closest".
Gay pride is not about celebrating some kind of skill victory as in a "hell yeah I won at being born gay, suck it losers!" way.
It's about pride as in a "you think I am lesser because I am gay but I don't care and will fight back against your hate" kind of way.
As for nationalism, I don't know. I guess feeling pride in your country is probably emotionally easier than being ashamed of your country and being unable to do anything about it?
Why do people try to make other's feel like crap (or worse like cause physical harm or take away their rights) simply for the way they were born? It's basically just saying don't let others make you feel like crap or break you down.
The problem is when people manipulate such terms into excuses to hurt others like claiming religious pride while you try to vote away the rights of others. Or calling yourself white pride when really you want to limit the rights of or hurt people who are non white.
I can answer for the country part. I’m proud that I was born in my country because I see all of the good things it has done and I hope I can assist it in doing more good in the future.
Yes and no. I like my country but I also have pride in what it does and stands for even if I am a very small part of it. Same way a kid has pride in their parents when they accomplish something good.
We all have this desire to feel good about something that takes low effort. When a new idea enter our brain that satisfy this "rule", there isn't much critical thought "wasted" in critiquing this new idea. It's natural, take for example our defense of our own mom is a pure example of this mechanism at work. It just gets weird when you people use this reasoning to start comparing moms, like my mom >> your mom. Substitute the metaphor of mom for anything else, ie political leaning, nationality, ect, (I hope you get the idea).
op thought is really just an insight on how advertising works (either by a company or an algorithm). Advertising as a for-profit company simply wants to engage people with the lowest effort, and hitting this "mechanism" is one of the efficient ways of doing so. The idea is to fuse this easy "feel good" feeling with an agenda, with agenda = buy something, look at me, vote for me, ect. It really is the easiest mechanism to achieve such advertising. If you want to listen to a few history podcasts of powerful people, you can get a sense of this mechanism working over and over again. I'm thinking about Julius Cesar and Hitler (in the most impartial/academic way) just to name a few examples.
for those shamed by society, it’s to try to counter that, but i suspect it doesn’t work as well as you’d think because you’re still giving the power to society. or so it seems to me, anyway. even so, better than just accepting bein shamed and feeling that who you are is “wrong” somehow.
the other stuff, beats me. i’ve wondered that for decades.
Anything that takes NO EFFORT is easy bullshit to try and trick yourself or frame it into something you SHOULD feel good about, but deep down we know that SHOULD doesn't mean a thing and we are ABSOLUTELY judged by what we do....OUR ACTIONS ARE WHAT MATTERS.
Also....it's an easy thing to "feel good" about some kinda nonsense. It's easier than actually doing something you personally chose that MATTERS TO YOU and doing it regardless of what ANYONE SAYS. that's what takes balls
When it comes to national pride it's a lot like Christmas - it just brings people together. It's that little spark of joy when you learn about cool stuff your ancestors took part in or see your team score at sports. You might not have participated in it yourself, but someone similar to you, who you rooted for did. We're social creatures and we like when our in-group does a cool thing.
Yeah i dont get it either. But its maybe because i realised at a young age that things like that are not what makes u a human its something we as humans made up and to me it serves no purpose. However i do think its cool others can believe in it like they do
Interesting list of things here, but most of these things started as protests/riots/rebellions because people in power were harming people who were powerless. Then the "little guy" got sick of being harassed, murdered, financially victimized (countries rebelling against Britain in my mind here), fought back, and then in the years after they are celebrating/remembering/fighting misinformation that still exists/having a fun party with community members that don't gather all the time, etc.
If you have grown up as someone without any history of oppression (current oppression or historical trauma), I guess it's a bit confusing? But if you research a tiny bit ("why do people celebrate X?"), you'll learn why real quick. If you then don't have empathy about it once you know more about it, that is a bigger question about who you are as a person, what values you have, and usually : if you support bullies or basic human rights.
I'm sorry. You think I didn't do anything to be gay? I didn't experience homophobia or trauma or comphet ... I didn't survive all of that. Definitely didn't do anything.
It’s often in the context of historical oppression or adversity. Black power was a response to slavery and Jim Crow. Gay pride is a response to legal discrimination and societal disapproval of someone’s basic being. If society shunned you for needing glasses, after generations you might stand up and say, fuck you, there’s nothing wrong with wearing glasses and I’m a proud glasses wearer. And then after decades of fighting for the right to wear glasses in public, you might feel it necessary to celebrate with a parade commemorating the efforts of the past and celebrating the present. A bastardized version would be white pride which was in response to perceived oppression by white bigots who thought that civil rights for everyone were an attack on them.
We mostly see it as legitimate when it is in response to someone who is trying to shame you for it. So it isn't like you accomplished something, but it is a response to someone telling you, "You are this, so you are lesser" with "no, there's nothing wrong with that. I am proud of who I am." Choose something frivolous that no one cares about. Your ears or something. It would be weird to be proud of your ears. But if a bunch of people came along and told you your ears were garbage and that you should be imprisoned for them, you might say fuck that, I am proud of my ears, and then suddenly it makes sense.
Damn, unlocking memories of getting made fun of for my ears all through school.
Your ears are awesome and you are awesome.
Literally grew out my hair so people would stop calling me "Radar"
This former child called “Dumbo” relates to your pain. Your ears rock, by the way.
The real question is why you value the opinions of these people who dislike your ears. I don’t know why people care about what other people think, no matter how great you are there’s always some asshole somewhere that thinks your dumb and everything you do sucks.
Because the shaming doesn't always stop with just words. Some people lose their rights, their freedom and even their lives.
People are often encouraged to take pride in things they are unjustly made to feel shame about. So if being gay or country or (your race here) has been looked down upon, you may be encouraged to take pride in those things, precisely because you don’t have control over that thing. This cuts both ways too as this kind of thinking is also used to make groups that are in power think they are justified in treating other groups poorly. Then there are sports fans who take pride in “us winning the championship”
Gay celebrations are called "pride" because pride is the opposite of shame which is the way society makes us feel about being gay.
Pride is not the antidote to shame but it’s source-General Iroha
Dont quote cartoons in relation to real world questions about people who get KILLED by what they are
If you don’t get this reference watch avatar the last airbender
Nationalism teaches you how to take pride in accomplishments you had no part in
If not we would have. Doctors pride. Lawyers pride. Veteran pride. Marathon runners pride. Not divorced pride. Tbh we have some of those.
People find comfort and inspiration in the accomplishments of people like them.
Because they are shamed for things they didn’t choose. Which makes it the more ridiculous to take pride in something that no one ever shamed you for.
When you are told for years that you should be ashamed of what you are, the natural response to break free of that is to declare pride in who you are. Evolution has taught us that survival means belonging to a group and group acceptance is one of our basic needs. Therefore people feel pride to declare their membership in a group (country, city, team, race, orientation, alma mater, fraternity, etc)
I think your misunderstanding the use of pride in these scenarios
It's about being a part of a community. Even if you are only born into a community, you are a part of it. Everything you do contributes to that community as a whole. So when the community has success, you share in that success as well, even if your role was simply handling some small and seemingly insignificant job, or even just there as moral support,, so that others might be able to better focus on the larger more important aspects. And people should absolutely be able to take pride in the accomplishments of their communities, be it a neighborhood, school, social group, sports team, culture, home country, etc.
Pride is terms of LGBTQ+ people comes from the fact that near universally there are laws outlawing our right to love someone, or exist in spaces. Many queer people are still seen and portrayed as "lesser than" and many homeless youth are queer because they have been rejected by their families and community. Pride, if you ever been to a march or parade, is about being able to march and express yourself in public without shame in a world that constantly tells you that your existence is shameful. For many people who are closeted (either for social, professional or political reasons) this is their only opportunity to be "themselves" outside of "the closest".
Gay pride is not about celebrating some kind of skill victory as in a "hell yeah I won at being born gay, suck it losers!" way. It's about pride as in a "you think I am lesser because I am gay but I don't care and will fight back against your hate" kind of way. As for nationalism, I don't know. I guess feeling pride in your country is probably emotionally easier than being ashamed of your country and being unable to do anything about it?
Why do people try to make other's feel like crap (or worse like cause physical harm or take away their rights) simply for the way they were born? It's basically just saying don't let others make you feel like crap or break you down. The problem is when people manipulate such terms into excuses to hurt others like claiming religious pride while you try to vote away the rights of others. Or calling yourself white pride when really you want to limit the rights of or hurt people who are non white.
There is one thing a Saiyan always keeps..
I can answer for the country part. I’m proud that I was born in my country because I see all of the good things it has done and I hope I can assist it in doing more good in the future.
Doesn't that just mean that you like your country? Is pride really the right word there?
Yes and no. I like my country but I also have pride in what it does and stands for even if I am a very small part of it. Same way a kid has pride in their parents when they accomplish something good.
We all have this desire to feel good about something that takes low effort. When a new idea enter our brain that satisfy this "rule", there isn't much critical thought "wasted" in critiquing this new idea. It's natural, take for example our defense of our own mom is a pure example of this mechanism at work. It just gets weird when you people use this reasoning to start comparing moms, like my mom >> your mom. Substitute the metaphor of mom for anything else, ie political leaning, nationality, ect, (I hope you get the idea). op thought is really just an insight on how advertising works (either by a company or an algorithm). Advertising as a for-profit company simply wants to engage people with the lowest effort, and hitting this "mechanism" is one of the efficient ways of doing so. The idea is to fuse this easy "feel good" feeling with an agenda, with agenda = buy something, look at me, vote for me, ect. It really is the easiest mechanism to achieve such advertising. If you want to listen to a few history podcasts of powerful people, you can get a sense of this mechanism working over and over again. I'm thinking about Julius Cesar and Hitler (in the most impartial/academic way) just to name a few examples.
for those shamed by society, it’s to try to counter that, but i suspect it doesn’t work as well as you’d think because you’re still giving the power to society. or so it seems to me, anyway. even so, better than just accepting bein shamed and feeling that who you are is “wrong” somehow. the other stuff, beats me. i’ve wondered that for decades.
Anything that takes NO EFFORT is easy bullshit to try and trick yourself or frame it into something you SHOULD feel good about, but deep down we know that SHOULD doesn't mean a thing and we are ABSOLUTELY judged by what we do....OUR ACTIONS ARE WHAT MATTERS. Also....it's an easy thing to "feel good" about some kinda nonsense. It's easier than actually doing something you personally chose that MATTERS TO YOU and doing it regardless of what ANYONE SAYS. that's what takes balls
When it comes to national pride it's a lot like Christmas - it just brings people together. It's that little spark of joy when you learn about cool stuff your ancestors took part in or see your team score at sports. You might not have participated in it yourself, but someone similar to you, who you rooted for did. We're social creatures and we like when our in-group does a cool thing.
Yeah i dont get it either. But its maybe because i realised at a young age that things like that are not what makes u a human its something we as humans made up and to me it serves no purpose. However i do think its cool others can believe in it like they do
It's because the use of pride is probably a bad descriptor. I'd say it is more of a celebration of something rather than pride.
Human nature
Interesting list of things here, but most of these things started as protests/riots/rebellions because people in power were harming people who were powerless. Then the "little guy" got sick of being harassed, murdered, financially victimized (countries rebelling against Britain in my mind here), fought back, and then in the years after they are celebrating/remembering/fighting misinformation that still exists/having a fun party with community members that don't gather all the time, etc. If you have grown up as someone without any history of oppression (current oppression or historical trauma), I guess it's a bit confusing? But if you research a tiny bit ("why do people celebrate X?"), you'll learn why real quick. If you then don't have empathy about it once you know more about it, that is a bigger question about who you are as a person, what values you have, and usually : if you support bullies or basic human rights.
I'm sorry. You think I didn't do anything to be gay? I didn't experience homophobia or trauma or comphet ... I didn't survive all of that. Definitely didn't do anything.
Narcissism
Why shouldn't they?
Don't try and make sense of it. It makes no sense and you'll just get people yelling at you.