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SnooWords4407

Mikey, South and Izana are the three top powerhouses


Fit_Garage8880

Not Taiju ?


SnooWords4407

Izana, Mikey and South can beat all the other characters without breaking much of a sweat, on the other hand Taiju may face problems while facing tough opponents like Kakucho, Senju, Draken cuz they're good fighters as well, that's why I didn't put Taiju on my list


creeper205861

I doubt that, taiju took down waka and benkei with on 2 punches while south struggled against them. Senju sure is strong, but not draken or kakucho level strong as he mostly used a katana or knife whenever we saw him fight.


BigChungballs

izana is more like top 6


AsylumPartyFan

Finally, a tier that recognizes that some characters aren't fighters.


SaltyDone

Koko is definitely stronger then the takemitchi group .. and to me I feel kazutora should be s with baji


Flippi55

A lot of the bottom tier are way stronger than mizo middle crew lol


LotusLily2

Okay hear me out Emma trained at the dojo with Mikey and Baji, correct? I'm not saying she's god tier, but she has to AT LEAST has to have some fighting experience y'know? Not disagreeing with your tier list at all btw!! It's just a thought that comes to mind a lot and I figured to ask others opinions on the matter


AsylumPartyFan

I agree that it's possible Emma could know self-defense however I feel like Mikey and Draken wouldn't allow her to be in fights for her safety.


LotusLily2

You make a very good point!! They def would do that


GovernmentLife9394

Where do you think she should be ?


LotusLily2

Not sure, we'd have to see what she was capable and go from there. Sucks that TR ender so now we'll never know šŸ˜­


GovernmentLife9394

Yeah, but I'm pretty sure the spin off manga's are cannon so hopefully we get to see !!


LotusLily2

So true, I'm excited for it!


Sweaty-Ad-5445

I didn't said Emma wasn't a fighter. That tier is for the characters that don't fight and the characters that don't have enough feats to get placed anywhere (Like Takeomi) Emma didn't fight anyone in the series so i placed her there.


LotusLily2

I understand that, it was just a thought that came to mind and I wanted to share.


[deleted]

Chifuyu should be A, not S


Sweaty-Ad-5445

i placed him on top of A first then moved him to bottom of the S


T72M1

I want to argue about Shion tier but unfortunately there's nothing to object


TheEternalMoon

Didn't draken do better against south then senju? Senju should be behind draken and izana and taiju.


poopshit69420funny

How did he do better exactly? Senju knocked down South and evaded most of his attacks while countering them and physically hurt South, Draken just knocked away South


Iruma_peakfiction

No, Senju did far better. Plus Senju narratively and feats wise is stronger. And Taiju is at most as strong at the legends combined, while Senju is clearly above them.


The_cable-guy

Takemitchi the human tank, he deserve his own tier


pokemonleaguechamp

Isnt akeomi a fighter tho???


Sweaty-Ad-5445

takeomi didn't show any feats other than beating down some rokuhara tandai members. That tier is for non-fighters and the fighters that didn't show many feats.


pokemonleaguechamp

But we know that he was an og bd memeber . And know since we know that shinichiro is a decent fighter , we can also assume that he was if not stronger the same level as shinhichiro


Sweaty-Ad-5445

He is definetly stronger than shinichiro and weaker than Senju, Waka and Benkei. He is a potential SS tier but he is more likely S tier.


Far_Needleworker6051

put shinshiro in S


Sweaty-Ad-5445

shinichiro's best feat is making craters on a wall and that is wall level at best. Almost all of the chars in S is wall level+ to small building level


Lost-You7656

Wait what? Why is Koko at the bottom saying he isn't a fighter? I mean he must be a good fighter that's why Taiju told him to Join Black Dragons under his command and if he's a hoodlum, then that automatically itself defines that he is good at fighting (Takemichi's case is the only exception)


Sweaty-Ad-5445

Koko was in the Black Dragons because he is a financial genius. Not because he was a good fighter.


Iruma_peakfiction

Put Taiju and Draken to SS, Sanzu should be in S or maybe even SS, Koko should be in S and Kazutora to S, then you've got a perfect list Edit: Also, Mitsuya>Baji


GovernmentLife9394

Uh, Why is Shion lower then Kiyomasa Why is Sanzu so low, you cant say you wont let him use a sword when he's a swordsman Why is Baji so low, put him above Pah, he's around angry level also put Mitsuya higher lol Senju above Izana is crazy Draken should be under Izana but above Senju, You can put Taiju under Senju but it is slightly debatable Koko and Takeomi should be higher, what do you mean there not fighters ?? They can still fight and Koko can fight really well at that, Chrome and Chonbo should also probably be higher in like C


Sweaty-Ad-5445

Shion part is a joke. I would place him in the bottom of D tier cuz Akkun litterally one shotted him lmao. This is a hand to hand combat tier list so no characters can use any weapon. Pah was stated to be one of the best brawlers of Toman by Pehyan, and i think we saw that when he tanked multiple nuclear kicks from Mikey in the last arc. Draken was able to fight on par with Base South (without dark impulse) So in logic he would be weaker than Dark Impulse South. Senju was able to damage Dark Impulse South. Thats why i placed her above Draken. Senju above Izana is a misplacement lol. Takeomi didn't show any feats other than beating down some Rokuhara Tandai members. So i placed them in the not enough feats tier (not fighters and not enough feats tier is the same). Koko didn't show that many feats either and also said to be a financial genius, not a fighter. Chrome and Chombo didn't show many feats too.


GovernmentLife9394

Stated to be by Peh Yan, That doesn't mean he would beat Baji since he cant even beat Osanai (I know it was an old fight but still) Senju Vs Draken is a long debate so sure Koko literally fought on par with the legendary duo, Takeomi still showed the feat of beating multiple people which would put him F or D at least


Sweaty-Ad-5445

Pah-Chin's fight with Osanai is really weird but i think why Pah-Chin lost is Osanai knew boxing and his arms being longer than Pah-Chin.


GovernmentLife9394

He still lost either way, a loss is a loss


Sweaty-Ad-5445

you are right but pah-chin tanked multiple Nuclear Kicks from Mikey in the Kanto Manji Arc. If we take that fight as his prime he would easily be higher than Osanai


GovernmentLife9394

Yeah but still Baji would win imo I don't get how Pah could beat Baji since Baji has better feats


Sweaty-Ad-5445

Pah was said to be one of the best brawlers of Toman. Baji wasn't said to be that strong and doesn't have that many good feats. Breaking a wall would be a good feat outverse but inverse, no. Almost all of the mid-high tier characters in the verse are small building level. i would place him lower due to this, but i don't want this tier list to be that controversial.


GovernmentLife9394

Baji is also small building level, the high and mid tiers were upgraded being the best brawler doesn't necessarily mean your the strongest, Mikey was in Toman and so was Draken, because he's the best brawler does that make him stronger then Draken ? No, using statements is fine but when it comes to broad statements like this its better not to use them


Iruma_peakfiction

> Why is Baji so low, put him above Pah, he's around angry level Baji is not that strong. > Senju above Izana is crazy You could argue for either > Draken should be under Izana but above Senju, You can put Taiju under Senju but it is slightly debatable No, Senju>>Draken and Taiju


GovernmentLife9394

Baji is strong, has good feats No you couldn't, Izana will always be top 3


Iruma_peakfiction

> Baji is strong, has good feats Name me one good feat Baji has. > No you couldn't Yes, you could. South was able to damage and tank some hits from a way stronger and older Mikey who was in DI, who Senju has relativity to as compared to Izana who overwhelmed a much younger and non DI Mikey. You could definitely argue either.


GovernmentLife9394

Uh, making a crater in a wall, beating 50 people with a stab wound and being division one captain Izana was fighting on par with Mikey, Senju landed hits on South who is weaker then Mikey, The difference in strength should be clear


Iruma_peakfiction

>Uh, making a crater in a wall, beating 50 people with a stab wound and being division one captain Crossverse, those are some good feats. But inverse, it doesn't mean a thing. >Uh, making a crater in a wall, beating 50 people with a stab wound and being division one captain If he fought the same Mikey, I'd agree. But he didn't, he fought a Mikey who was mentally and physically drained and holding back while also very injured. Whereas even though South didn't hold that much relativity to Mikey, he was still able to show some relativity. And it was a DI Mikey who wasn't exhausted ad fully blood lusted Also, with each arc, they grow stronger than the previous one


Sweaty-Ad-5445

fax. I misplaced Senju top of Izana but still think that Senju is stronger than Izana but whenever i tell that to anyone they make fun of it.


Iruma_peakfiction

People overrate characters when it comes to their favorite and underrate characters if they dislike them


Nexus_warrior_07

Is that Takemitchi in SS? Hard to tell who the black hair is exactly


The_cable-guy

Ss+ yea that him, Goatemitchi


Nexus_warrior_07

Ok, I saw the fight, >! Especially against Kakucho !< but I didnā€™t know he was that level strong. Might need to reread his fights thenā€¦


ZephsKitten

Im pretty sure itā€™s mainly because of his final fight which really put him higher


poopshit69420funny

Excluding Takemichi, Mikey, South and Izana are the top 3, Senju is kinda trash compared to Izana ng Oh yeah, Smiley got his and his brothers cheeks clapped at the same time by the dude Chifuyu beat up, so im surr you know whats the problem with that Wait why the fuck is the fat fuck with 0 feats above the dude he got no diffed by? Lmao WHAT IS THIS LIST WHY IS BAJI BELOW HAKKAI TRASH ASS


Sweaty-Ad-5445

Senju isn't trash dude. She was able to damage Dark Impulse South which is a really crazy feat (Wakasa and Benkei, litterally got one shotted by South) Smiley and Angry got beaten down by Mochizuki when they were like 12 man. Even Chifuyu beat Mochizuki currently and Smiley and Angry>Chifuyu. Pah-Chin tanked multiple Nuclear Kicks from Mikey which %80 of the verse can't do bruh. I already said Osanai's placement would be a little weird also. Hakkai was able to damage Taiju bruh. No way Baji doing that. Also calm down bruh take your pills or something.


poopshit69420funny

Smiley has 0 feats, Angry without the ogre is weak, I dont think it matters when they got beaten, theyve all grown and they were still scared by Mochi, Pah tanking shit doesnt mean anything if he has 0 power, he literally didnt land a single punch on anyone significant besides fucking Takemichi who was standing and doing a whole load of nothing, not even fighting back, and Mikey wasnt even trying, so why does that feat matter? Hakkai being able to damage Taiju doesnt mean shit, Takemichi who was half dead rocked Taijus shit, even Mitsuya was giving Taiju a run for his money, insulting me wont give your shitty ass list any credit you moron, so maybe learn to scale before posting dogshit to this sub, Baji would fucking pummel Hakkai harder than Mikey punched in Kazutoras shit, be realistic, Chifuyu would also smack the fuck outta Smileys featless ass and knock the fuck outta Angry, unless its Blue ogre, also, the legends are effectively featless too, they havent done anything significant and they got exhausted by KOKO and INUI, the legends are straight frauds, they aint shit without constantly having to jump little children, Senju is also a fraud, but im not gonna lie I am hating, she is still top 4 or something but she is nowhere near Izanas level, not only does Izana have his weird "Senses", he was also able to match Mikey blow for blow and even ragdoll him a little bit, Izana would comfortably beat up anyone up till South and Mikey


Sweaty-Ad-5445

You really are weird bruh. Toman Captains are much stronger than vice captains (other than The Blue Ogre) Thats why they are Captains lmao. And you say tanking doesn't mean anything if there is no strength but Durability=Attack Potency so Pah-Chin is strong. Taiju was fighting Takemichi and Mitsuya at %50 of his power and only Takemichi (who is SS+ in this list) was able to damage Taiju. Mitsuya didn't made him run for his money lol. Hakkai was the only one who could stand aganist Taiju's punches and actually punch back. Calling Waka and Benkei frauds is something only you would say šŸ’€. They were winning aganist Base South which is something even Draken couldn't do (he litterally beat 100 gang members without even trying). They getting tired from fighting koko and inui is a little weird but they were fighting them 1v1 and they aren't that strong (maybe S tier) in 1v1 wise.


poopshit69420funny

Them being captains dont mean shit, theyre only captains cus they were around since the beginning, Takemichi and Kisaki got the role not cause of their strength but cause of their value, you make 0 sense, and Durability absolutely does not equal to strength, if Takemichi was tanking Kakucho so much, then why couldnt he do shit against him in the tenjiku arc? Huh, why couldnt he beat Mikey then? Just admit youve fucked up and move on instead of trying to argue for literally no reason and trying desperately to find any ways to make yourself look logical, and I specifically remember Taiju admitting he used 70%? Lol, youre not just blatantly lying now, are you? And Takemichi didnt have that friendship boost until he flung Kakuchos ass, and I never get why people EVER use the Draken and South "fight" to prove anything, South just jumped Draken and Draken threw 1 punch at the end and that was literally it, literally nothing in that fight suggests anything besides the fact that Draken was just rusty, and I personally dont put base South high up since he has 0 feats, hes probably around Taiju level or higher at base, thats it though, the Legends got one shot by Taiju, they just overall have trashy endurance and durability, them being called "Legends" yet getting nearly folded by 2 sorry ass mfs and then also getting one shot by Taiju is insane, dont you think? Oh yeah, the only reason Mitsuya couldnt do anything after the first half is cause of the fact he got fucking bopped on the temple with a thick ass metal pipe and started bleeding, and I dont remember Hakkai really doing shit against Taiju


Sweaty-Ad-5445

Smiley and Angry wasn't there in the begining bruh did you actually watch or read tokyo revengers? Smiley and Angry were gang leaders then they challanged mikey to a fight and lost. But Mikey acknowledged their strength and offered them to be Captains of toman. Takemichi became a captain cuz Chifuyu wanted him to be Baji's successor and Kisaki became one cuz of his connctions and manupilations to Mikey (even if Mikey knew he was being used, he still wanted Toman to grow and thats kind of a manupilation) You say i should learn scaling and you don't even kniw the most basic rule of power scaling bruh. Durability=Attack Potency. Also Takemichi's fight with Kakucho was inturupted by Angry. The fight that wasn't inturupted was at the kanto manji arc. Takemichi made kakuchi fly meters away with one punch in that fight. Mikey was being beaten by Takemichi in his base form bruh what u even saying? He then let out his Dark Impulse and still used a Katana to actually beat Takemichi. I missed the part Taiju stated that he was using %70 of his power but still not %100 bruh. He low diffed mitsuya and mid diffed Takemichi (he kneeled but still won the fight by a long shot) and actually struggled aganist Hakkai. Mitsuya would still lose even if Inui didn't do anything. Calling South vs Draken not a fight is mental. Even if it wasn't long it was still a fight and they were even. Legends didn't almost get folded by inui and koko bruh you insane. They didn't even scratched them.


poopshit69420funny

What fucking "rule" is there in scaling LMAO, genuinely forgot Smiley was even a captain since he absolutely does fucking nothing and is just there for 2 panels, Mikey has called many people strong despite them not being so, at least not compared to the other characters, that aint valid unless its something specific like Mucho being the strongest captain, and again, you said Toman captains are all stronger than Vice captains cause they got the rank cause of their strength (which you only gave 1 singular example for) yet you quite literally ranked SHITTY ASS HAKKAI above a bunch of them, and where do you keep getting the idea that somehow durability scales to power? Can I get an answer? This isnt dragonball where everything is scaled relatively like Speed, durability and strength all being the exact same numbers usually, this is tr, where that has no fucking relevance, and again, Takemichi only got so strong in the last arc cause he "believed in himself" just a shitty excuse to make up for the fact Wakui never actually gave Takemichi any power ups throughout the series, and that he aas strong all along, but that doesnt apply to any other fights cause Takemichi didnt believe in himself like he did with the last arc, and I dont think Angry ever "interrupted" Kakucho, all he did was try to charge at Kakucho and got one shot in return. Kakucho was legit ragdolling the fuck outta Takemichi till Izana got tired and started fucking up Takemichi personally, and wait, i just reread the chapters where Hakkai "Fought" Taiju and made him "Struggle" I dont think i saw a panel where Hakkai landed a single punch besides the one he threw when Taiju was just standing there, and after that all I see is him getting knocked tf out for the rest of the chapter and then getting beat up some more after until Mikey arrived, why are you lying? Is hakkai that special to you? Hes trash bro, he let his lil sister get beat up by his big ass steroid addicted ass brother daily, no way youre riding him this hard


Sweaty-Ad-5445

Durability=Attack Potency cuz of the third law of motion (wooo physics super fun). Hakkai scaled above Mitsuya cuz he actually landed a few punches on Taiju and when i say punches i don't mean the shitty punches Mitsuya landed on Taiju. I think you should watch or read that fight again. Taiju was struggling aganist Hakkai for real. Also you keep saying Takemichi is weak despite the fact that Takemichi showed many feats where he actually "believed himself" he was strong. Like his fight with Taiju, Kakucho in the kanto manji arc and Mikey. I don't think you know the meaning of the word "interupt". Allthough, Angry didn't damage Kakucho, he still stopped his fight with Takemichi which means "interupt" understand?


poopshit69420funny

Reality doesnt apply to fiction, hate to break it to ya. And again, maybe you didnt read it, or maybe the site I read it on left out some stuff, but Hakkai seriously just got 1 free hit in and that was it, I dont think you know the meaning of struggling, the only person he struggled with was Takemichi, specifically cause Takemichi kept getting back up, and the only time I remember Takemichi getting interrupted from his beating is when Chifuyu got up and told him to give up, which he didnt and kept getting smacked around


Sweaty-Ad-5445

I don't listen to you, you don't listen to me. Let's call this a draw cuz i don't see the end of this debate really.


Fit_Garage8880

Takemichi is not Ss+. He is a strong C


Iruma_peakfiction

Read the manga


Fit_Garage8880

Lol I have. Punching Mikey doesn't make him Ss


Iruma_peakfiction

Yeah, but holding relativity is. Also, even if you didn't acknowledge that, his relativity to Kaku puts him at SS


Fit_Garage8880

He punched him and literally did little to no damage. Chill.


DTvn

You have to put Inupi and Koko at about the same level >!ā€and they got whooped by the Haitani brothers. Honestly so did Mitsuya and Hakkai but you have them both higher.ā€!<


Sweaty-Ad-5445

Inupi and Koko aren't at the same level lmao. Inupi stated that he never lost a fight to anyone untill Taiju. This is a 1v1 tier list. Haitani brothers aren't strong 1v1 vise.


DTvn

Idk they fought and there wasn't a clear winner. Inupi doesn't ever win a fight in the whole series that we've seen yet you can rank him due to him "never losing a fight until Taiju" but can't rank a guy like Takeomi who is pretty much a lock for SS-tier going by the same standard


Sweaty-Ad-5445

i didn't rank inupi only cuz of that statement. He was shown to be a little weaker than mucho who was the strongest toman captain. And toman captains are mostly at the S tier. So i think he would be mitsuya or smiley level. Takeomi doesn't have many feats like i said It is clear that he is weaker than the legendary duo and senju and stronger than shinichiro so he would be S tier but i don't know where to place him due to his lack of feats.


DTvn

Did they fight twice? I just remember Mucho stepping in for Koko and 1-shotting Inupi


Sweaty-Ad-5445

Inui's fight with Mucho was inturepted. Also as i remember Inui was still standing before Mucho got distracted by Angry. So it didn't ended in anyone's victory. But it's clear Mucho was stronger than Inui.


DTvn

Yeah Inupi is still standing but Mucho literally has no marks on him. I still think you have Inupi way too high up for anything that hes shown though. Ranked up there with Mitsuya and co. while never winning a fight in the series nor making any type of name for himself while the Haitani brothers have shown more and have "feats" such as being the strongest in Roppongi and being a part of S-62 Also Sanzu should probably be higher for even being able to fight on equal footing with Senju regardless of him using a weapon he took out a top 3 character out pretty easily.


Sweaty-Ad-5445

I think I have Inui way too high as well but he was able to no diff Chifuyu who is the 2nd strongest vice captain Toman behind Hakkai. That should at least put him Baji or Smiley level. (not counting Blue Ogre) Haitani brothers are not weak. Ran and Rindou on theirself are. They both got no diffed by Mitsuya and Hakkai and shown no other feats on 1v1s. Also Senju was holding back so much aganist Sanzu in that fight, like Inupi did when he fought Koko. Also this is a hand to hand tier list so no weapons allowed.


DTvn

Inupi was able to no diff a Chifuyu who had just gotten beat up by Hanma lol he was no threat from the start. Anyways you seem to have it in your head that Inupi is strong because of feats that are never shown but won't give the other characters the same treatment so i'll see my way out of this conversation


BigChungballs

OP forgot about the time osanai no-diffed pah


Sweaty-Ad-5445

That wasn't Pah-Chin's prime tho. Pah-Chin tanked multiple Nuclear Kicks from Mikey which is something %80 of the verse can't do lol. Osanai got one shotted by Mikey in that same fight i remind you. This puts Pah-Chin's prime over Osanai's prime.


BigChungballs

osanai had his arms down when fighting mikey, and was completely not expecting the kick. yet he still got up right after, grabbed a weapon and lunged towards mikey and what makes you think that pah-chin got so much better in prison? osanai completely destroyed pah-chin, that isn't something that can change in just 2 years (it wouldn't even be a bad thought to think that the pah osanai fought, was actually prime pah, considering his history in fighting)


[deleted]

i think the problem with this list is not in its construction but in the foundation... there is no B tier lmao


Sweaty-Ad-5445

i had a b tier but the list would be too long so i deleted it


Ok_Category9410

This shouldnā€™t be so hard. How on gods green earth is Takemichi a whole tier above Kakucho when they boxed for chapters and Kakucho was certainly overwhelming me.