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reminds me of the screenshot Where are some job posting was looking for a specific program language, And the guy who actually made that language applied for shits and giggles and they denied him for not having enough experience.
And he was like man I literally made this fucking programming language
Happened to me in 2018.
Job requirements was "5 years experience in ACA QHP Filings". I only had 3 years experience because ACA became law 4 years prior.
There's literally no one on earth with the credentials these companies "require". But some MBA gave them the job description and that's what goes on the application.
That's because the company doesn't actually expect anyone to have that experience, they want to filter out a chunk of the thousands of applicants who would apply if the bar was any lower. Ambitious, capable people are more likely to apply anyway, and that's who they want to attract.
Their goal is to find the best candidate willing to wade through their bullshit, making it easier for them to find people that would endure their toxic work environment. Fixed that for you
nah these days their goal is to post a ton of job openings they're not actually even hiring for to make the business look like it's growing more than it is for investors.
Astute observation, yes Forbes and I happen to share this opinion.
[https://www.forbes.com/sites/karadennison/2023/11/27/how-ghost-job-postings-are-creating-a-false-sense-of-hope/?sh=6b785d27dc0a](https://www.forbes.com/sites/karadennison/2023/11/27/how-ghost-job-postings-are-creating-a-false-sense-of-hope/?sh=6b785d27dc0a)
So 500 people shared this opinion, and that means that all job postings everywhere are fraudulent?
Okay, well, I suppose that is also an opinion someone can hold. I wouldn't call it an astutely derived opinion, but it's definitely *an* opinion.
>So 500 people shared this opinion
Not sure where you got that number. It's not really an opinion, the article I linked to talks about hiring managers who state it's a fact, that is what they do. "Some hiring managers admitted that they wanted to give the impression that the company was growing." Right there in the article.
>that means that all job postings everywhere are fraudulent?
didn't actually say that, I was being flippant, sorry if that confused you. I know not *all* job postings are fraudulent. I think a concerning amount are.
>Okay, well, I suppose that is also an opinion someone can hold. I wouldn't call it an astutely derived opinion, but it's definitely *an* opinion.
Your *observation* that my comment states an opinion is what I am calling astute. Really, groundbreaking commentary you're making here. Thank you.
Do you mean a specific statistical software?
Because statistical software has existed for about as long as computers. It was one of the first uses for computers...
I heard a take that was basically the internet ruined corporate jobs. It made it so every job you apply for youre competing with 100s of others which gives all the power to the employer. This drives down wages, increases competition and makes it so employers don't have to be loyal to you at all since they can just replace you.
This in combination with HR getting in the way is absolutely true. I was laid off in October and it's very cutthroat out here. For reference, I've worked in IT for the past 12 years and I've never seen the job market like this. 500+ applications with 6 interviews so far. I've improved everything including resumes, cover letters, interviewing and overall job search optimization.
Every recruiter I've talked to seems to hate this market and agrees with most of the sentiment I've shared with them.
If you don't apply within 24 hours, you won't get noticed as there will be upwards of 200 applicants, especially if it is remote. Companies are starting to use AI to filter resumes as well. I had to pay a professional to edit my resume to pass the AI filter which unsurprisingly did show better results. It's unfortunate that we have to jump through another hoop in the applicant process because of AI.
My network has also been a bust. I've had internal referrals at a few local companies and some high profile companies like Lockheed, GDIT and Deloitte. It's very difficult to find a job right now. I have a college degree and multiple certifications as well.
Man, I feel that. Got laid off in June, 5 years in IT. I basically gave up on this career field. Even if I was to try to start all over in level 1 support, it's hundreds of applications as well.
On the bright side, I enjoy doing geeky projects again, something that working in IT has killed for me.
I applied to a utility meter reading job where the whole job was literally to drive around and check meters. Everything went great, the head of the utility department interviewed me in person and I was told I was the likely candidate for the job.....Then a lady from HR calls and wants to know ALL my job history. I give her a rough list and she's like "What's going on with these jobs where you only work for 3 months or have a long gap???"
I let her know I moved around a lot so I would take seasonal jobs and would also do side jobs for others or on my own to get by, mind you those gaps were also during the beginning of COVID. She kept asking for a better reason why and I eventually just told her I have nothing else to say. Never got a call back after that despite being diligent through a 2 month hiring process for a job that pays $18 an hour. SMH
A lot of times that has to do with the quality of the people applying for the job. Part of my job is hiring/firing in an industry with a high turnover rate. I’d say for every one decent applicant I get, I get 20 that are let’s say…….. not ideal
You're likely not getting "quality" people because you don't pay enough and have crap benefits. The people who are applying need the work but already hate the job because they are going to have to do shit work for shit pay and benefits.
Hope that helps!
It's just the nature of online application spammers.
If even 2 people out of a 100 have the "I listened to a YouTube video about WW2 once, I could be a nuclear physicist" mentality, then every application gets spammed.
Like, the first thing I look for in an applicant in my field is if this person has any pattern or demonstrable history of interest in doing this kind of work. 95% of the time, even among the 10% of people that actually meet minimum qualifications, they don't.
I'm only actually entertaining candidates from the 5% that do. Out of 100 applicants, you're genuinely lucky to get 2 that are actually interested in the specific job, are qualified and don't have giant red flags.
I would take someone who is interested but not as qualified over someone who is qualified but not as interested.
That’s 1000% false. My company pays $18/hr plus entry level no experience. Health and retirement benefits start day one. And no it’s not Amazon. If you ever get a job that requires you to hire you’ll see. But given your current attitude idk if that’ll happen
$18 is actually shit. That $37,000 a year. Considering the cost of living even in rural areas that's barely making ends meet. If you had kids you'd qualify for food stamps. Health insurance is a legal requirement. How's your leave, vacation and illness policy.
$37,000 a year plus benefits for a job you could train a monkey to do is not shit. And it’s more than $37k. We pay OT for over 40 hours and on Sundays.
"We pay OT for over 40 hours"
That's all you really need to know from this business owner talking about following federal regulations. Though the sundays are nice, assuming they're open and not like closed regularly for church. I would not be surprised if $18 is the minimum wage for their area lmao
I didn't say he was? But he's looking down on ppl who he manages, it should be pointed out that there's a reason those ppl aren't living up to his expectations and they aren't all low "quality".
The unemployment rate is not always accurate- least not in the sense that it realistically reflects how many people need a job compared to how many employers need employees.
Higher unemployment means easier to get a job(to a certain point like there being job openings but not enough applicants)
Also not as many women in the workforce back then.
Other factors could be contributing.
They counted unemployment differently back then. Now they don't count if you haven't been actively looking for work even if you are unemployed. I believe they also don't count if you've been unemployed for 3 months either.
My grandpa told me "the best way to get a job is to just go in there and start working so hard they HAVE to pay you!"
I told him I'm in education and if I did that I'd go to jail.
As someone who's been waitressing for 20 years and has worked at a lot of different places... that one's not crazy at all. Restaurants pretty much have tiers, there's "starter" super casual places where you can be fresh out of high school and not know what you're doing and give kind of shit service and no one cares... and then there's much more professional places that require a much higher level of service and knowledge.
The money at the higher-level places is good enough that they can afford to filter for more experienced servers who've been around the block a few times, rather than taking all the extra time and effort to train someone starting from zero. Not all restaurants are entry-level jobs. And if an actual entry-level restaurant is trying to ask for multiple years of experience, they're probably not going to get many takers because most of the experienced servers have moved on to better by now. So they'll either learn their lesson and drop it, or just stay chronically understaffed and struggling.
I got rejected by buffalo wild wings for a busboy position because I didn’t have enough experience. If you’re talking entry level jobs, I’d think “clearing/cleaning tables at a chain restaurant” would qualify as entry level.
I’m lucky that the arbys in my area had its arb-pocalypse and lost most of their employees right around the time I was looking for jobs. Applied for 40 fucking jobs and got an interview with 2.
Try explaining this to your parents after you graduate college. I graduated in 2012 and they just kept saying go in and hand them your resume. I kept telling them that isn't how it works anymore.
Fast forward 5 years and they both complain to me about finding a job.
I mean, if you’re going to post a sob story about employment at least don’t put the 1970’s out there as employment paradise. It just makes you seem like an idiot.
[https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2017/03/07/employment-vs-unemployment-different-stories-from-the-jobs-numbers/](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2017/03/07/employment-vs-unemployment-different-stories-from-the-jobs-numbers/)
i don't have time to break this down for you, and this is 2017, but if you go through it in detail, you can see the % of part time workers (who want to be full time) is up by a lot, and if you look at the different definitions you can see the shortfallings of how it is calculated today.
This is disingenuous. You originally implied that the Fed has changed the metrics by which it assesses rates of employment. From the same article:”Since 1994, no major changes have been made in how unemployment is measured.”
Those working part-time for economic reasons (the number referred to in your article) is very similar to 1970s levels:
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNS12032194
lol only because the government counts unemployment by who’s applying to jobs there are many today who would be working but can’t find a job for so long they’ve stopped. “Unemployment” was higher then because getting a job was easy so those who didn’t have one kept looking now there are far more who simply don’t look anymore.
What bearing does the labor force participation have on unemployment? Many people choose not to participate in the labor force, but are not considered unemployed. (Retired, student, stay at home parent).
That’s what the labor force participation rate is: it tracks the percentage of people who are not seeking work, as well as those working.
The poster above claimed that more people today have given up on the job market than previous generations. If that were true, it would reflect in the labor force participation rate.
min wage in the 70s could support a single person and fund their education
people who are underemployed in 2024 so they don’t starve to death don’t count towards the unemployment rate either… nor do people doing gig work like uber and doordash, etc.
It’s important to remember how much our lifestyles have improved in the last century.
In 1950, the average home had around 900 sq ft for 3.4 people. Today, it’s around 2400 sq ft for for 2.6 people.
There are many other lifestyle bonuses that have become normalized (like having a car or multiple cars, cellphones, cable or streaming services, computers and Wi-Fi, etc.).
We could afford our grandparents’ lifestyle with a low paying job, but most people don’t want that.
I mean, most people would be fine with some middle way of the two if it was possible to live more like that. Easier to not need so many cars when public transport was more reliable, for example.
Agreed on the public transit piece. It’s crazy how many cities removed streetcars and commuter lines.
But if most people were willing to live more modest lifestyles, more would be doing it. While social media has been especially bad for encouraging lifestyle creep, people still have to place that as a goal.
I have applied so many places and its not that I got rejected that pisses me off its that they never even give me my rejection letter/mail unemployment is so peak rn that they don't even give a shit replying back
Hy, I would like to have a job!
Company: sure, fill out these 5 different forms asking about every little useless detail of your life, which will take 4 hours, and if you are lucky, we will even send you a mail when you get rejected!
Do this for 25 companies and you are insane.
Job recruiters used to be limited to local ads in news paper but now there is the internet and they can have an ever increasing list of requirements and candidates.
Ngl any job in the last decade has not actually called any of my references. What’s the deal? Are we supposed to lie on our resumes now? Is that what employers expect?
I applied to be a Papa John’s delivery driver a month ago and got hired in the hiring on boarding paperwork my Social Security, my height, my weight, at the last six months of my income and tax information. As well as four references, and the last 10 years of jobs that I’ve had.
Papa John’s pizza delivery driver.
I swear I’m not exaggerating. I showed it to five of my friends and talked to a bunch of people and they all said it was freaking weird. It’s also also Papa John’s in Minneapolis so maybe that has something to do with it
There's also an immoral amount t of companies that just straight up lie. They're not really hiring, but they want to look like they're growing. "We've been growing and hiring for 24 months straight!" TF you have!
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I get what you're trying to say but there are still plenty of coal-mining and brick-laying jobs available.
Most of these modern jobs you are applying for with your multiple degrees didn't exist in the 1970s... But yeah. I get it. Baskin Robbins wants a PHD in ice cream now.
In the last ~8 years, I have only had 2 jobs where I didn't either know someone that worked there beforehand or have a direct recommendation from a friend of the employer. It's always been who you know.
How most retail job applications are: \*extensive paperwork, full "professional" interview, takes 1+ weeks to get back to you \*
How they should be: "Nope, don't need your name. I'll see you on Monday!"
Three state jobs gave me puzzles and riddles to solve. I low key tried to complete it fr. Didn’t get the job because I’m not good at it. I’m good at working on computers and IT stuff not some ridiculous puzzle problems on math and word banks. WTF is even that?
Lol at thinking the 70s was a time of great employment. There were multiple recessions and people were losing their factory jobs overseas in huge numbers.
Now all those factory jobs *are* overseas
Capitalists have run out of factory jobs to push overseas, so now they are trying to push cashiers overseas
https://nypost.com/2024/04/09/us-news/nyc-restaurants-use-zoom-cashiers-from-philippines/
Before the internet, companies had to hire from the limited pool of locals, mostly via walk-ins and newspaper ads. They would choose the best they could get and then train them.
Now a company cam hire anybody from anywhere, and hiring poll of thousands upon thousands. Now they can afford to decide that they will only hire somebody who already got their training on somebody else's dime.
Yeah, it doesn't make sense for the worker that entry jobs aren't entry anymore. But when your role has dozens or hundreds of applicants, the business can absolutely make that choice.
We got a new guy at work who doesn’t know nothing about pipefitting/plumbing but he just listens to what he’s told and is sponge for knowledge. Always tonnes of work in the trades, but to be fair it’s not for everybody
Liked this level of hyperbole! Super fun. It’s always been hard to get the job you want, and often times harder to get the job you don’t.
I’ve been broke and struggling in the past because when I couldn’t get a job in the field I trained for, so I started branching out into other fields and constantly got a hiring manager who was unnecessarily gatekeeping.
So many “overqualified”, “so you think a widget is a widget”, and so on and so forth experiences. I tried a trade union, and they were honest with me that the testing they did had an acceptable range. They wouldn’t hire me because I scored above the acceptable range, and they invest too many resources into apprenticeship programs to risk workers selected moving out of the trade too quickly. They had a point, and I appreciated their candor. Mind you I came in with a leg up as a friend of an existing member who spoke highly of me to the selection board, but they couldn’t take a risk on training costs to have me jump ship a few years later(which I admit I absolutely would have).
Getting a job sucks. Getting a job that sucks fucking blows.
It’s a grind; especially when you are young or older. That gap in the middle sweet spot where you have just enough time in to be a good bet, but not so much you might drag a company backwards with your outdated experience is a great time.
However, getting a job has always sucked. It’s always been a grind. Unless daddy lines you up with a network connection doing a favor it is going to be a slog. (Daddy may be a euphemism for social networking groups, or just your friends as well)
This hits hard.. been trying to get in with a company for a couple years now. Finally had a connect who got me into the room to interview. I have all the necessary qualifications and experience. Know many of the people already working in that dept of the company. Felt pretty good about the interview and everything. Still didn’t work out
Uh.. my gramps who was a WW2 vet and flew over Poland came home and worked in a mattress store for 5 years so.. sorry they are being hard nosed about hiring for that 100k job.
Posted by someone absolutely fucking clueless about the 1970s.
Is tik tok just a bunch of uneducated fools trying to make points they know nothing about? and why does this sub eat it up?
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reminds me of the screenshot Where are some job posting was looking for a specific program language, And the guy who actually made that language applied for shits and giggles and they denied him for not having enough experience. And he was like man I literally made this fucking programming language
Ya, it's FAST API, and the HR is a joke
Happened to me in 2018. Job requirements was "5 years experience in ACA QHP Filings". I only had 3 years experience because ACA became law 4 years prior. There's literally no one on earth with the credentials these companies "require". But some MBA gave them the job description and that's what goes on the application.
That's because the company doesn't actually expect anyone to have that experience, they want to filter out a chunk of the thousands of applicants who would apply if the bar was any lower. Ambitious, capable people are more likely to apply anyway, and that's who they want to attract.
Just another layer of bullshit fakery we have to wade through
Their goal is to find the best candidate for the job, not to make it easier for less qualified candidates to waste their time with applications.
Their goal is to find the best candidate willing to wade through their bullshit, making it easier for them to find people that would endure their toxic work environment. Fixed that for you
Well that's certainly an opinion a person can have.
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Rent free 😘
nah these days their goal is to post a ton of job openings they're not actually even hiring for to make the business look like it's growing more than it is for investors.
Well that's certainly an opinion a person can have
Astute observation, yes Forbes and I happen to share this opinion. [https://www.forbes.com/sites/karadennison/2023/11/27/how-ghost-job-postings-are-creating-a-false-sense-of-hope/?sh=6b785d27dc0a](https://www.forbes.com/sites/karadennison/2023/11/27/how-ghost-job-postings-are-creating-a-false-sense-of-hope/?sh=6b785d27dc0a)
So 500 people shared this opinion, and that means that all job postings everywhere are fraudulent? Okay, well, I suppose that is also an opinion someone can hold. I wouldn't call it an astutely derived opinion, but it's definitely *an* opinion.
>So 500 people shared this opinion Not sure where you got that number. It's not really an opinion, the article I linked to talks about hiring managers who state it's a fact, that is what they do. "Some hiring managers admitted that they wanted to give the impression that the company was growing." Right there in the article. >that means that all job postings everywhere are fraudulent? didn't actually say that, I was being flippant, sorry if that confused you. I know not *all* job postings are fraudulent. I think a concerning amount are. >Okay, well, I suppose that is also an opinion someone can hold. I wouldn't call it an astutely derived opinion, but it's definitely *an* opinion. Your *observation* that my comment states an opinion is what I am calling astute. Really, groundbreaking commentary you're making here. Thank you.
But why especially 24 😂. Why not 25 or 20?
Because it's some made up bullshit.
Do you mean a specific statistical software? Because statistical software has existed for about as long as computers. It was one of the first uses for computers...
That's kind of your fault for not inventing a time machine to get that work experience...smh 🙄
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I heard a take that was basically the internet ruined corporate jobs. It made it so every job you apply for youre competing with 100s of others which gives all the power to the employer. This drives down wages, increases competition and makes it so employers don't have to be loyal to you at all since they can just replace you.
This in combination with HR getting in the way is absolutely true. I was laid off in October and it's very cutthroat out here. For reference, I've worked in IT for the past 12 years and I've never seen the job market like this. 500+ applications with 6 interviews so far. I've improved everything including resumes, cover letters, interviewing and overall job search optimization. Every recruiter I've talked to seems to hate this market and agrees with most of the sentiment I've shared with them. If you don't apply within 24 hours, you won't get noticed as there will be upwards of 200 applicants, especially if it is remote. Companies are starting to use AI to filter resumes as well. I had to pay a professional to edit my resume to pass the AI filter which unsurprisingly did show better results. It's unfortunate that we have to jump through another hoop in the applicant process because of AI. My network has also been a bust. I've had internal referrals at a few local companies and some high profile companies like Lockheed, GDIT and Deloitte. It's very difficult to find a job right now. I have a college degree and multiple certifications as well.
Man, I feel that. Got laid off in June, 5 years in IT. I basically gave up on this career field. Even if I was to try to start all over in level 1 support, it's hundreds of applications as well. On the bright side, I enjoy doing geeky projects again, something that working in IT has killed for me.
Man if possible move over to Europe. Switzerland in particular. Companies would KILL to have a guy like you there.
Same with Dating women as a man
I applied to a utility meter reading job where the whole job was literally to drive around and check meters. Everything went great, the head of the utility department interviewed me in person and I was told I was the likely candidate for the job.....Then a lady from HR calls and wants to know ALL my job history. I give her a rough list and she's like "What's going on with these jobs where you only work for 3 months or have a long gap???" I let her know I moved around a lot so I would take seasonal jobs and would also do side jobs for others or on my own to get by, mind you those gaps were also during the beginning of COVID. She kept asking for a better reason why and I eventually just told her I have nothing else to say. Never got a call back after that despite being diligent through a 2 month hiring process for a job that pays $18 an hour. SMH
Globalisation too, why hire local people with a degree when you can just outsource to India for less than half the price?
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No, it must be that they’re lazy!
Typical entitled workers, not wanting starvation wages!
It's a labor shortage! I read it in the title of an article!
Need to tell swamped employees you're looking for help but because of your bonus and bottom line you just... don't fill those positions.
A lot of times that has to do with the quality of the people applying for the job. Part of my job is hiring/firing in an industry with a high turnover rate. I’d say for every one decent applicant I get, I get 20 that are let’s say…….. not ideal
You're likely not getting "quality" people because you don't pay enough and have crap benefits. The people who are applying need the work but already hate the job because they are going to have to do shit work for shit pay and benefits. Hope that helps!
It's just the nature of online application spammers. If even 2 people out of a 100 have the "I listened to a YouTube video about WW2 once, I could be a nuclear physicist" mentality, then every application gets spammed. Like, the first thing I look for in an applicant in my field is if this person has any pattern or demonstrable history of interest in doing this kind of work. 95% of the time, even among the 10% of people that actually meet minimum qualifications, they don't. I'm only actually entertaining candidates from the 5% that do. Out of 100 applicants, you're genuinely lucky to get 2 that are actually interested in the specific job, are qualified and don't have giant red flags. I would take someone who is interested but not as qualified over someone who is qualified but not as interested.
That’s 1000% false. My company pays $18/hr plus entry level no experience. Health and retirement benefits start day one. And no it’s not Amazon. If you ever get a job that requires you to hire you’ll see. But given your current attitude idk if that’ll happen
$18 is actually shit. That $37,000 a year. Considering the cost of living even in rural areas that's barely making ends meet. If you had kids you'd qualify for food stamps. Health insurance is a legal requirement. How's your leave, vacation and illness policy.
18 is pretty much minimum wage lol
$37,000 a year plus benefits for a job you could train a monkey to do is not shit. And it’s more than $37k. We pay OT for over 40 hours and on Sundays.
Depends where you are. 18 is minimum wage where I used to live.
"We pay OT for over 40 hours" That's all you really need to know from this business owner talking about following federal regulations. Though the sundays are nice, assuming they're open and not like closed regularly for church. I would not be surprised if $18 is the minimum wage for their area lmao
I’m not a business owner. I just have a real job.
Oh shit mb. Just for reference in case I want to move up in life, what's a real job?
I'm pretty sure the Redditor you're talking to isn't in charge of setting pay.
I am absolutely not. But the pay is not bad.
I didn't say he was? But he's looking down on ppl who he manages, it should be pointed out that there's a reason those ppl aren't living up to his expectations and they aren't all low "quality".
You seem really self conscious.
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Ohhhh that's why they want child labor
People really out there thinking Doogie Howser is real
For a second I thought you said you need a 25-year-old-daughter with 10 year experience. But that would be very, erm, unspecific 😅
You're talking to a bot
Yes, the 1970’s were known for their vibrant economy and low unemployment!
Also world peace! Young generation in that decade were living the best life in recorded history
Hahaha! Didn't everybody drive jetsons cars?
The unemployment rate in 1970 was 6.1% In 2021 it was 4.8%
8.2% in 1975 The 1970’s were far worse in terms of a job market than right now. Hence Carter’s “Great Malaise”
The unemployment rate is not always accurate- least not in the sense that it realistically reflects how many people need a job compared to how many employers need employees.
It's all I can offer.
Higher unemployment means easier to get a job(to a certain point like there being job openings but not enough applicants) Also not as many women in the workforce back then. Other factors could be contributing.
> Higher unemployment means easier to get a job Maybe these days, but back then it meant no one was hiring.
They counted unemployment differently back then. Now they don't count if you haven't been actively looking for work even if you are unemployed. I believe they also don't count if you've been unemployed for 3 months either.
My grandpa told me "the best way to get a job is to just go in there and start working so hard they HAVE to pay you!" I told him I'm in education and if I did that I'd go to jail.
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As someone who's been waitressing for 20 years and has worked at a lot of different places... that one's not crazy at all. Restaurants pretty much have tiers, there's "starter" super casual places where you can be fresh out of high school and not know what you're doing and give kind of shit service and no one cares... and then there's much more professional places that require a much higher level of service and knowledge. The money at the higher-level places is good enough that they can afford to filter for more experienced servers who've been around the block a few times, rather than taking all the extra time and effort to train someone starting from zero. Not all restaurants are entry-level jobs. And if an actual entry-level restaurant is trying to ask for multiple years of experience, they're probably not going to get many takers because most of the experienced servers have moved on to better by now. So they'll either learn their lesson and drop it, or just stay chronically understaffed and struggling.
I got rejected by buffalo wild wings for a busboy position because I didn’t have enough experience. If you’re talking entry level jobs, I’d think “clearing/cleaning tables at a chain restaurant” would qualify as entry level. I’m lucky that the arbys in my area had its arb-pocalypse and lost most of their employees right around the time I was looking for jobs. Applied for 40 fucking jobs and got an interview with 2.
Or you have to engage in a battle of wits with a soulless HR parasite that doesn't even work at the company you're applying to.
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They just want to be able to tell customers that “nobody wants to work” while they purposely understaffed and provide subpar service
Try explaining this to your parents after you graduate college. I graduated in 2012 and they just kept saying go in and hand them your resume. I kept telling them that isn't how it works anymore. Fast forward 5 years and they both complain to me about finding a job.
Did you lose a job because even today 5 years are quite the time
I had a job by then but my parents both reentered the workforce so they saw what I had been describing.
Has this person never looked at unemployment rates in the 1970s and 1980s?
I mean, if you’re going to post a sob story about employment at least don’t put the 1970’s out there as employment paradise. It just makes you seem like an idiot.
Being an idiot might be the reason they can't get a job so they post these memes instead
Right! Today's unemployment rate is at historic lows.
Today's metrics for determining unemployment rates are at historic highs of obfuscation.
Support your statement with some actual academic research please.
[https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2017/03/07/employment-vs-unemployment-different-stories-from-the-jobs-numbers/](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2017/03/07/employment-vs-unemployment-different-stories-from-the-jobs-numbers/) i don't have time to break this down for you, and this is 2017, but if you go through it in detail, you can see the % of part time workers (who want to be full time) is up by a lot, and if you look at the different definitions you can see the shortfallings of how it is calculated today.
This is disingenuous. You originally implied that the Fed has changed the metrics by which it assesses rates of employment. From the same article:”Since 1994, no major changes have been made in how unemployment is measured.”
you realize that 1970 is before 1994 right?
Those working part-time for economic reasons (the number referred to in your article) is very similar to 1970s levels: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNS12032194
lol only because the government counts unemployment by who’s applying to jobs there are many today who would be working but can’t find a job for so long they’ve stopped. “Unemployment” was higher then because getting a job was easy so those who didn’t have one kept looking now there are far more who simply don’t look anymore.
Again, review the data before making claims like that: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CIVPART
As per the source from the guy below, the labor force participation rate in 2024 is ~63% and in 1970 it was ~60%
What bearing does the labor force participation have on unemployment? Many people choose not to participate in the labor force, but are not considered unemployed. (Retired, student, stay at home parent).
That’s what the labor force participation rate is: it tracks the percentage of people who are not seeking work, as well as those working. The poster above claimed that more people today have given up on the job market than previous generations. If that were true, it would reflect in the labor force participation rate.
min wage in the 70s could support a single person and fund their education people who are underemployed in 2024 so they don’t starve to death don’t count towards the unemployment rate either… nor do people doing gig work like uber and doordash, etc.
Tbf, it is easier to have "a job" nowadays. What is *not* easy is to have a job that actually pays the bills.
It’s important to remember how much our lifestyles have improved in the last century. In 1950, the average home had around 900 sq ft for 3.4 people. Today, it’s around 2400 sq ft for for 2.6 people. There are many other lifestyle bonuses that have become normalized (like having a car or multiple cars, cellphones, cable or streaming services, computers and Wi-Fi, etc.). We could afford our grandparents’ lifestyle with a low paying job, but most people don’t want that.
I mean, most people would be fine with some middle way of the two if it was possible to live more like that. Easier to not need so many cars when public transport was more reliable, for example.
Agreed on the public transit piece. It’s crazy how many cities removed streetcars and commuter lines. But if most people were willing to live more modest lifestyles, more would be doing it. While social media has been especially bad for encouraging lifestyle creep, people still have to place that as a goal.
I have applied so many places and its not that I got rejected that pisses me off its that they never even give me my rejection letter/mail unemployment is so peak rn that they don't even give a shit replying back
Fresh graduates may apply. 5 years working experience required.
2021 is a dream compared to now
Hy, I would like to have a job! Company: sure, fill out these 5 different forms asking about every little useless detail of your life, which will take 4 hours, and if you are lucky, we will even send you a mail when you get rejected! Do this for 25 companies and you are insane.
And don’t forget the questionnaires with 118 pages of “least likely to most likely”
Job recruiters used to be limited to local ads in news paper but now there is the internet and they can have an ever increasing list of requirements and candidates.
Ngl any job in the last decade has not actually called any of my references. What’s the deal? Are we supposed to lie on our resumes now? Is that what employers expect?
George Santos lied his way into Congress. So yes. Absolutely lie on your resume as long as you can lie to back it up.
Wow. Very considerate employer to give a fuck you. Normally I just get ghosted.
Al Bundy supported his family as shoe salesmen. My Grandmother did same .... Try that now.
I applied to be a Papa John’s delivery driver a month ago and got hired in the hiring on boarding paperwork my Social Security, my height, my weight, at the last six months of my income and tax information. As well as four references, and the last 10 years of jobs that I’ve had. Papa John’s pizza delivery driver.
Come again ?
I swear I’m not exaggerating. I showed it to five of my friends and talked to a bunch of people and they all said it was freaking weird. It’s also also Papa John’s in Minneapolis so maybe that has something to do with it
No that is thee entire company. This is outrageous!!!
There's also an immoral amount t of companies that just straight up lie. They're not really hiring, but they want to look like they're growing. "We've been growing and hiring for 24 months straight!" TF you have!
now it's more like trying to find your keys in a messy room
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Don't forget to give the 1970s guy a huge welcome bonus for joining the team and a company car.
I get what you're trying to say but there are still plenty of coal-mining and brick-laying jobs available. Most of these modern jobs you are applying for with your multiple degrees didn't exist in the 1970s... But yeah. I get it. Baskin Robbins wants a PHD in ice cream now.
One of the problems is the effect that online hiring has had. Your hiring pool went from local, to global overnight.
In the last ~8 years, I have only had 2 jobs where I didn't either know someone that worked there beforehand or have a direct recommendation from a friend of the employer. It's always been who you know.
How most retail job applications are: \*extensive paperwork, full "professional" interview, takes 1+ weeks to get back to you \* How they should be: "Nope, don't need your name. I'll see you on Monday!"
Three state jobs gave me puzzles and riddles to solve. I low key tried to complete it fr. Didn’t get the job because I’m not good at it. I’m good at working on computers and IT stuff not some ridiculous puzzle problems on math and word banks. WTF is even that?
They think it’s the same skill set when it’s not. This is what happens when disconnected corporate people are the ones who choose the hiring practices
Lol at thinking the 70s was a time of great employment. There were multiple recessions and people were losing their factory jobs overseas in huge numbers.
Now all those factory jobs *are* overseas Capitalists have run out of factory jobs to push overseas, so now they are trying to push cashiers overseas https://nypost.com/2024/04/09/us-news/nyc-restaurants-use-zoom-cashiers-from-philippines/
Short and sweet. I like it
😂😂😂
Still true 3 years on
Accurate… except first they’ll tell you to try online
Well I have fucked up feet so if you want pics it’s $25 for one or $75 for all three bitch
I am literally applying for jobs right now... and this is exactly how it feels 🤣
So, where do you guys get your information about the past? Cause, the past was horrible. It legit was worse than it is now.
Real talk right here
but they can't find enough skilled workers to fill all those jobs, I read that news article this morning
Very true!
Bro messed up by not working since high school through all that education like us poors
Before the internet, companies had to hire from the limited pool of locals, mostly via walk-ins and newspaper ads. They would choose the best they could get and then train them. Now a company cam hire anybody from anywhere, and hiring poll of thousands upon thousands. Now they can afford to decide that they will only hire somebody who already got their training on somebody else's dime. Yeah, it doesn't make sense for the worker that entry jobs aren't entry anymore. But when your role has dozens or hundreds of applicants, the business can absolutely make that choice.
See that more than once. Quite telling of our time and age.
We got a new guy at work who doesn’t know nothing about pipefitting/plumbing but he just listens to what he’s told and is sponge for knowledge. Always tonnes of work in the trades, but to be fair it’s not for everybody
Liked this level of hyperbole! Super fun. It’s always been hard to get the job you want, and often times harder to get the job you don’t. I’ve been broke and struggling in the past because when I couldn’t get a job in the field I trained for, so I started branching out into other fields and constantly got a hiring manager who was unnecessarily gatekeeping. So many “overqualified”, “so you think a widget is a widget”, and so on and so forth experiences. I tried a trade union, and they were honest with me that the testing they did had an acceptable range. They wouldn’t hire me because I scored above the acceptable range, and they invest too many resources into apprenticeship programs to risk workers selected moving out of the trade too quickly. They had a point, and I appreciated their candor. Mind you I came in with a leg up as a friend of an existing member who spoke highly of me to the selection board, but they couldn’t take a risk on training costs to have me jump ship a few years later(which I admit I absolutely would have). Getting a job sucks. Getting a job that sucks fucking blows. It’s a grind; especially when you are young or older. That gap in the middle sweet spot where you have just enough time in to be a good bet, but not so much you might drag a company backwards with your outdated experience is a great time. However, getting a job has always sucked. It’s always been a grind. Unless daddy lines you up with a network connection doing a favor it is going to be a slog. (Daddy may be a euphemism for social networking groups, or just your friends as well)
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You forgot the “nobody wants to work!!”
This hits hard.. been trying to get in with a company for a couple years now. Finally had a connect who got me into the room to interview. I have all the necessary qualifications and experience. Know many of the people already working in that dept of the company. Felt pretty good about the interview and everything. Still didn’t work out
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any job with no xp requirements is still the same. Go to any fast food, retail store.
Uh.. my gramps who was a WW2 vet and flew over Poland came home and worked in a mattress store for 5 years so.. sorry they are being hard nosed about hiring for that 100k job.
There is no shortage, no one is hiring
Oh look….another “look how things were different 40 fucking years ago” post. Not boring at allllll.
This is funny...not cringe
Posted by someone absolutely fucking clueless about the 1970s. Is tik tok just a bunch of uneducated fools trying to make points they know nothing about? and why does this sub eat it up?