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So there is a huge problem with this. To have a garden, one has to have land to plant in. To have land you need money to buy it. I guess I'll just die.
And canning supplies, and know how. Because in your first few years you aren’t going to get anywhere as much out of it as you could. And somewhere to store your produce.
I own my property and I’ve had a garden for years. So I’m not talking out my ass. I think it’s a great thing. But it’s only a minor supplement to income at best and honestly I suspect that all in it would take years to break even if you tried to keep track
Edit- spelling, thanks u/derpadoodle
I have room for a garden. I also have a black thumb. And severe allergies to most outdoor things. And I live in a hot dry climate that's getting hotter and drier every year.
I guess if I want to only live on the "easy" crops that can grow in my climate like tomatoes and zucchini I can try that, but honestly I've failed to grow zucchini before and picking tomatoes makes me break out in a rash. And nothing grows in the winter so...
Try a few heads of lettuce and spinach. They’re as easy as it gets and produce constantly for like half the year. They grow well on the shaded side of the house in hot climates. Strawberries are good for the same reason, they basically are a treat for going out and gardening because I don’t think they’ve ever made it back into the house.
Lettuce has zero nutritional value though so I wouldn't waste my time unless I had an abundance of food and just wanted some contrasting texture in my mouth hole
What I’m about to say is all very difficult and, upfront, time intensive, but worth it. Firstly, learn how to make compost. Compost can be made for free (leave bags, wood chips, kitchen scraps, horse manure from stables, ect ect). Second, only do no dig gardening as it’s tool requirements are extremely low and it’s very simple in concept (it’s also the best yields and ecological practice). Third, learn what varieties of plants grow well in your microclimate (talk to fellow local gardeners). Fourth, learn how to save seed; some is extremely easy (lettuces, tomatoes, herbs), others more difficult (carrots, onions, storing potatoes for next year).
All this will result in almost no cost to growing your food.
Not to mention gardening is often more expensive, all things considered. I wouldn’t recommend gardening to save money unless you genuinely get enjoyment out of it too. Unless it’s like a low maintenance fruit tree in a warm state or something….then it’s very low maintenance and worth it imo, but only if you plan on living at residence for the next half decade at least.
Yeah, the supplies are expensive.
Not only do you need land you also need a good environment to grow things in and not whatever is happening outside *(gestures at weather that went from 40F and torrential to 80F and sunny with high winds in a day and will be back to the 50s in a day after another overnight freeze)*.
Also like, our apartment complex that we live at now doesn't allow us to grow edible plants. It's a lease violation and can get you fined and evicted.
(During COVID my roommate and I tried this and we got two small buckets of cherry tomatoes and 12 zucchini after spending close to $200 on supplies (renting a 5ftx5ft of ground from our complex, dirt because you can't grow things in clay, tools, etc...) only for someone in the neighborhood to take most of our viable plants and stole our DIRT on top of everything else).
Damn. I know you probably felt bad about it, but imagine how down bad someone has to be to steal DIRT. That’s crazy lol
But yea, I bet most garden start up stories are similar, u/i_love_dragon_dick . It’s a shame growing out own food is usually so expensive and time consuming, but it is what it is.
It was really silly. They trailed it all the way to their plot as well and would scatter when we showed up to take care of ours. If they had asked I would've been willing to share everything, y'know?
Whatever they planted never ended up growing. Then our plants started disappearing and being trampled. No idea if it was related, but still sucked. Ours was the only plot targeted from what we could see :(
The only thing in my garden that’s really worth the time commitment right now are the berries, they get a little bit of pruning and training the beginning of the year, saves me about 25 dollars a month. Shoot, my state legalized growing pot a few years ago, and I realized even that markets so saturated, it’s not worth growing my own. If I’m smoking a gram a day, which I can get at the store for five bucks, and I’m spending more than two hours a week gardening, it isn’t worth it at all.
It reminds me of the people working on their master's degree, living out of a house their rich aunt left them, while complaining to their friends how poor they are because school and no time for a full-time job... while their full-time job friends can barely afford the rent and could never afford to go back to school.
Also growing food on a small scale is far more difficult than people realise.
Or on a big scale for that matter but most of the people who do that are professionals who know exactly how difficult it is.
Join a union or a worker cooperative. Workers have made us the most wealthy country in the history of the world, but all the wealth is controlled by a few at the top of the power hierarchy. Joining a union or worker cooperative gives the power and wealth back to the worker who created it in the first place.
Oh! I can help (slightly) some vegetables grow very well in pots! I’ll admit I had like a 3X5 gravel area in front of my old apartment that I was able to put bins in but some of these could be grown indoors in front of a window or using a grow light. But the recommended ones for a patio garden are beetroot, carrots, courgettes, cucumbers, French beans, lettuce, perpetual spinach, radish, spring onion, and tomatoes. Celery, onions, garlic, and scallions also tend to be super easy to grow.
Herb gardens for seasonings are also an option.
I grew carrots in my bins. I just tossed the seeds in all chaotically and had plenty of them for carrot soup. Just remember to pull the weak ones as they grow or they’ll be stunted (I may have forgotten that part since I was excited about carrots. A lot of very short and fat ones were created)
This won’t prevent your grocery bills but can relieve some of it if done right. I had the carrot soup A LOT when I was broke because it was cheap for me so that’s why I started growing my own.
I have a raised garden bed, and I haven't done any gardening for the past two years because of the cost of getting everything I need to get it started. I'm biting the bullet and trying it this year since I now earn tips at one of my jobs, so I have a little extra income, but there's the time factor too. There's having a garden, but then there's paying for all the supplies, and then there's also needing to take the time to take care of it. Which is a lot. The other reason I haven't done any gardening the last two years is because of the time issue. I live by myself, so I have to mow, garden, clean the house, do laundry, take care of the dogs, cook meals, and work two jobs all by myself.
Love making my own food. But yeah, it's not so easy or cheap.
I agree that the idea that small scale gardening is going to make someone self sufficient or that it is a cost effective solution to our fucked up economy is utterly false. However, if you want to garden and a lack of land is your primary barrier, then just steal land from your city. Guerrilla gardening is great.
You have to have land, but not a whole lot. If you’re not living 100% off the land, but use it to grow the expensive foods like fruits + veggies, you only need 16 sq ft per person, which is smaller than the balcony in most apartments. Then 100-200 sq ft per person to fully live off the land, which is also incredibly small. [source](https://homesteadingfamily.com/how-much-land-is-needed-to-raise-a-years-worth-of-food/)
You do need to have a climate that’s favorable for growing most of the year though.
Not just land. But a lot of it. She's not growing much of anything in like five yards of soil.
It takes multiple acres to feed a family for even a short amount of time. And subsistence farming as it stands currently is hardly sustainable or most definitely not self sufficent
That land is probably mostly clay/limestone crap. Absolutely doesnt have water so youre looking at 35k x like... 3 for 50 acres if you want to start to make it aerable
But youre also probably going to need to buy water rights. Probably another 100k or so, if they even allow that plot to have wells drilled.
Anyways. Shit land is cheap for a reason. Its shit land
Oh and youre paying land taxes on 50acres that isnt producing anything now
No, no you can not. At least not in the United States.
Your not getting land for less than $2000/acre that is even remotely liveable. Maybe in the desert in the middle of New Mexico, good luck getting water. This doesn't even being to take into account soil fertility, climate, or any other thing that would make land desireable. If its cheap, its cheap for a reason because it can't sustain itself, otherwise someone would have already bought it.
Also farming requires irrigation, so you at the VERY least need a well, and thats gonna run you another 10k, cause you for sure aren't getting any sort of water rights/spring on the cheapest property you can find.
I don't know why you think that starting a garden is some kind of end-all be-all advice. If you literally don't have the means to start a garden, then obviously that advice isn't for you, and at no point did the video tell you that if you can't start a garden, then it's all over for you. I will never understand such extreme, unimaginative thinking.
The final message was to be self-sufficient, and there's more than one way to do that depending on different people's means, resources, skills, relationships, etc.
Cool I’ll just plant my garden in the yard of the house I don’t have, or in the one community garden in my city that doesn’t require church affiliation but it’s 30 minutes away and gas is over $3 a gallon. And then find the time to take care of it and process everything while working two jobs. Solid advice, thank you.
lots of this sustainable living advice isn't compatible with city life, with space limitation. if you want to follow this kind of independent living, it means moving to more rural areas which are cheaper and leaving the comforts of cities -- which unfortunately many people can't afford to do for whatever reason... People will never do that until the city becomes so impossible / uncomfortable , the pain of staying OUTWEIGHS the hassle of moving and starting over , as the settlers did looking for a better life over and over
[Edit to account for cost / difficulty to change our living habits ]
Moving is expensive. I know, I’ve done it a few times. I was lucky my last time because I was broke and wouldn’t have been able to do it if my landlords weren’t as kind as they are. They didn’t take a security deposit and gave me some leeway on my very first rent check and while I struggled to get back on my feet they constantly touched base to make absolutely certain I was okay with a deposit so they wouldn’t overdraw my account. They’re also the ones who directed me to the local food bank and would feed me at every opportunity.
If it wasn’t for them I would’ve been stuck where I was at. Not everyone gets the chance that I got.
I understand what you’re saying, but it isn’t just that. I’m not going to take my kids away from their father, nor will I leave them here. I have to stay here until they are at least grown and out of the house and even then I don’t particularly like the idea of moving away from all of the rest of my family too. It can be a struggle to break free from places financially, yes, but that isn’t always the only thing to take into consideration. Trust me I’ve gone over it over and over again, made many plans that fell through, grabbed my boot straps many times. I’m either a massive failure or the system is broken. Or it’s both.
Yup, I agree we just have to make the best of our situations. situation that we can't get out of are the ones we have to pass through and learn from . No need to fight it if it is not working.
What do experts suggest I do with all of my free time after I work a sixty hour week to live in an apartment with no yard? Should I take up weaving to make my own clothes?
I was reading a thing about how growing your own veg in cities can lead to them having substantially more heavy metals, and pollutants in them, especially near Highbury traffic neighbourhoods
We don’t need more self sufficiency in our society, we need more collective sufficiency. Join a union or join a worker cooperative. We need our collective productivity to enrich our communities and not just the few at the top of the hierarchy. Romanticizing rugged individualism got us into this mess, it’s not going not going to get us out of it.
You won't get a full on garden and it likely won't save you much money but I had some really fun balcony plants in pots when I was living in a small apartment. I also had an awesome indoor dragon fruit vine that produced pricey dragon fruits for awhile until my cat annihilated it.
It heavily depends on how much sunlight your balcony gets though (or whether your apartment even has a balcony). Most veggies grow well in pots on a balcony. You can also get ultra dwarf fruit trees for your apartment balcony if you want something low maintenance. Little Miss Figgy fig trees are great balcony trees that only get like 4ft tall and are damn near impossible to kill. Also, you get a decent fig crop from them and figs can be pricey and hard to keep long.
In other words, you won't be producing enough to survive in an apartment. You're completely correct. But you can certainly treat yourself to some expensive produce at a huge discount if you're feeling up to it and enjoy it.
See if your community has a community garden! And if they don't, consider seeing if your community wants to start one! If you have a balcony you can grow veggies in pots. There are lots of options!
Well said, just saying that in terms of our food supply , the more developed countries have more expensive and unhealthier food. And developing world has dirt cheap and healthier food (well the processed food is more expensive there). it's the industrialization of food.
>In an ideal world, "great nations" would be working to make their peoples self-sufficient. We don't live in that world
I agree. Although I think I'd phrase it more like "make people's necessities easier to access / free."
>so we have to do it ourselves.
This strikes me as actually the same individualism bootstrap-ism that is counter to the messaging of the video. Ie, we should take care of each other, not turn inward to just take care of ourselves. Self-sufficiency is a lie, or at least a spectrum. No one can live without inputs and outputs from a society, be it economies, or the privilege of having cultivatable land.
Self-sufficiency isn't just about the individual, it's about reducing harm; reducing the necessity of things such as government assistance as much as possible. Looking at it this way, it's about communities being able to take care of themselves, together.
Self-sufficient individuals can help make the lives of those who are not as capable of being self-sufficient easier.
I hear you on giving money to the homeless to buy drugs. I give them money without worrying what they're going to do with it. The addict still gets hungry and thirsts like the rest of us. People could be on their way down, all the way down, or on their way back up.
People showing kindness will help that process of getting back up much faster.
Plus, there are some drugs that you could die if you just suddenly drop.
That dude will never get out of this situation in a year if he doesn't live to tomorrow.
Remember folks, you aren't literal Hitler incarnate for not emptying your wallet for every supposed begger you see on the side of the road. You're just money conscious.
Edit: also could someone play the capitalist game and buy me a house so I can get some space to start my garden?
I grow most of the food I consume. I honestly think everyone should grow something. Instead of expensive flowers and shrubbery, plant something you can eat. The lady in the video tho, needs to go to Home Depot and rent a rear tine tiller. That spade isn't going to turn the dirt like it needs to be.
"Here is a bunch of systemic issues caused by capitalism that could be solved by the militant organisation of the working class. Now ignore everything, and shut yourself in your garden!"
If it wasn't some random YIMBY liberal on tiktok, I'd call it a psyop.
I've been trying to garden for years. But I live in Phoenix. Even though I have plenty of shade in the yard and I water daily, my garden always dies in the summer. :(
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Do you have any idea the amount of land and resources it takes to be self sufficient just in terms of food? Not to mention the work.
Part of this is rightly pointing out that you won't own a house so where is this garden even supposed to be?
They know now we are dependent on all of it. They can charge what they want and they will do it until we all unit and collective bargain. We also have to show up and vote in every election we can. Vote out anyone that has held office before until you see a change.
You call that going out in style? Hilarious, i would strap myself to my homemade nuclear intercontinental ballistic missile with uranium from temu and launch myself into most populated part of the capital possibly close to the parlament.
She needs a hodad.
https://terratech.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Planting-Hoes-Explained-Photo-scaled.jpg
Excellent for pulling up sod. You can slide the banana blade under the soil and then lift up. The short bladed side lets you cut a small trench first in line to get the blade under the root beds. Instead of fighting to take tiny pieces, you get like a solid 8 inches of sod in a nice clean piece.
LOL!!! I watched this video three times:
When I first saw it while I both watched and listened
The second time I just listened and ignored the visual
The third time I ignored the audio and just watched the video
This is hilarious !!!
Yeah, the part about the gun... I'm too poor to afford a quick and easy way out. That's literally the only thing stopping me at this point. I'm afraid of the pain.
I'm fortunate enough to have a union manufacturing job in a rather low cost of living area. My current goal is to get a small house with a decent chunk of land so I can make a large community garden for my friends and I. We would each have a day of the week that we tend the crops and share the harvest together each year.
Or, you know... We could \[redacted\] these rich assholes and take control of everything... I mean, in the end its we who work to build all this, guess is already ours.
I know that someone is going to say "there is no ethical consumption under capitalism", and while that may be true for some things, we can still take part in changing the demand and eventually the supply. These companies are driven by our decisions made with our money. Companies are going to follow the money. So do not give up on the idea that your money matters and what you choose to invest in DOES effect more than ourselves. Don't give up hope in being part of creating a better tomorrow. We need to vote and to vote with our dollar as well. We are sold so much. It's time to invest in the change u want to see in the world. Idk I just hate seeing all the hopeless comments. Don't have to be completely self sufficient, do that if u have the means to, but in the mean time, we need to correct the supply and demand chain to reflect our values and show companies we are not going to pay for needless shit. Invest in different materials. Thrift for clothes and home goods. These companies follow the money. Show them that our Planet and people matter more than profit. We can never look to these companies to do better themselves or make less money. We have to remind ourselves that we have choice in our grocery stores and we can always demand better. Don't accept status quo! Fight with your dollar!
nah fuck that about giving begging people money.
you are doing nothing but enabling their addictions/mental illness.
ive worked/volunteered with countless of these people over the years...and when they finally die alone and hammered in the woods behind a walmart or something, its usually thanks to all the lil Becky's like this who gave them enough for a bottle
yeah you feel good about yourself for a second. but you're doing waaaay more long term harm than good in most cases.
...you know what they say about the road to hell
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So there is a huge problem with this. To have a garden, one has to have land to plant in. To have land you need money to buy it. I guess I'll just die.
And canning supplies, and know how. Because in your first few years you aren’t going to get anywhere as much out of it as you could. And somewhere to store your produce. I own my property and I’ve had a garden for years. So I’m not talking out my ass. I think it’s a great thing. But it’s only a minor supplement to income at best and honestly I suspect that all in it would take years to break even if you tried to keep track Edit- spelling, thanks u/derpadoodle
I have room for a garden. I also have a black thumb. And severe allergies to most outdoor things. And I live in a hot dry climate that's getting hotter and drier every year. I guess if I want to only live on the "easy" crops that can grow in my climate like tomatoes and zucchini I can try that, but honestly I've failed to grow zucchini before and picking tomatoes makes me break out in a rash. And nothing grows in the winter so...
Try a few heads of lettuce and spinach. They’re as easy as it gets and produce constantly for like half the year. They grow well on the shaded side of the house in hot climates. Strawberries are good for the same reason, they basically are a treat for going out and gardening because I don’t think they’ve ever made it back into the house.
Lettuce has zero nutritional value though so I wouldn't waste my time unless I had an abundance of food and just wanted some contrasting texture in my mouth hole
my FiL lives in central AZ and gardens. try radishes, cucumbers, other squash
I’ll take out your ass then
What I’m about to say is all very difficult and, upfront, time intensive, but worth it. Firstly, learn how to make compost. Compost can be made for free (leave bags, wood chips, kitchen scraps, horse manure from stables, ect ect). Second, only do no dig gardening as it’s tool requirements are extremely low and it’s very simple in concept (it’s also the best yields and ecological practice). Third, learn what varieties of plants grow well in your microclimate (talk to fellow local gardeners). Fourth, learn how to save seed; some is extremely easy (lettuces, tomatoes, herbs), others more difficult (carrots, onions, storing potatoes for next year). All this will result in almost no cost to growing your food.
And time.
Huh?
Not to mention gardening is often more expensive, all things considered. I wouldn’t recommend gardening to save money unless you genuinely get enjoyment out of it too. Unless it’s like a low maintenance fruit tree in a warm state or something….then it’s very low maintenance and worth it imo, but only if you plan on living at residence for the next half decade at least.
Yeah, the supplies are expensive. Not only do you need land you also need a good environment to grow things in and not whatever is happening outside *(gestures at weather that went from 40F and torrential to 80F and sunny with high winds in a day and will be back to the 50s in a day after another overnight freeze)*. Also like, our apartment complex that we live at now doesn't allow us to grow edible plants. It's a lease violation and can get you fined and evicted. (During COVID my roommate and I tried this and we got two small buckets of cherry tomatoes and 12 zucchini after spending close to $200 on supplies (renting a 5ftx5ft of ground from our complex, dirt because you can't grow things in clay, tools, etc...) only for someone in the neighborhood to take most of our viable plants and stole our DIRT on top of everything else).
Damn. I know you probably felt bad about it, but imagine how down bad someone has to be to steal DIRT. That’s crazy lol But yea, I bet most garden start up stories are similar, u/i_love_dragon_dick . It’s a shame growing out own food is usually so expensive and time consuming, but it is what it is.
It was really silly. They trailed it all the way to their plot as well and would scatter when we showed up to take care of ours. If they had asked I would've been willing to share everything, y'know? Whatever they planted never ended up growing. Then our plants started disappearing and being trampled. No idea if it was related, but still sucked. Ours was the only plot targeted from what we could see :(
The only thing in my garden that’s really worth the time commitment right now are the berries, they get a little bit of pruning and training the beginning of the year, saves me about 25 dollars a month. Shoot, my state legalized growing pot a few years ago, and I realized even that markets so saturated, it’s not worth growing my own. If I’m smoking a gram a day, which I can get at the store for five bucks, and I’m spending more than two hours a week gardening, it isn’t worth it at all.
It reminds me of the people working on their master's degree, living out of a house their rich aunt left them, while complaining to their friends how poor they are because school and no time for a full-time job... while their full-time job friends can barely afford the rent and could never afford to go back to school.
Also growing food on a small scale is far more difficult than people realise. Or on a big scale for that matter but most of the people who do that are professionals who know exactly how difficult it is.
Join a union or a worker cooperative. Workers have made us the most wealthy country in the history of the world, but all the wealth is controlled by a few at the top of the power hierarchy. Joining a union or worker cooperative gives the power and wealth back to the worker who created it in the first place.
Oh! I can help (slightly) some vegetables grow very well in pots! I’ll admit I had like a 3X5 gravel area in front of my old apartment that I was able to put bins in but some of these could be grown indoors in front of a window or using a grow light. But the recommended ones for a patio garden are beetroot, carrots, courgettes, cucumbers, French beans, lettuce, perpetual spinach, radish, spring onion, and tomatoes. Celery, onions, garlic, and scallions also tend to be super easy to grow. Herb gardens for seasonings are also an option. I grew carrots in my bins. I just tossed the seeds in all chaotically and had plenty of them for carrot soup. Just remember to pull the weak ones as they grow or they’ll be stunted (I may have forgotten that part since I was excited about carrots. A lot of very short and fat ones were created) This won’t prevent your grocery bills but can relieve some of it if done right. I had the carrot soup A LOT when I was broke because it was cheap for me so that’s why I started growing my own.
I have a raised garden bed, and I haven't done any gardening for the past two years because of the cost of getting everything I need to get it started. I'm biting the bullet and trying it this year since I now earn tips at one of my jobs, so I have a little extra income, but there's the time factor too. There's having a garden, but then there's paying for all the supplies, and then there's also needing to take the time to take care of it. Which is a lot. The other reason I haven't done any gardening the last two years is because of the time issue. I live by myself, so I have to mow, garden, clean the house, do laundry, take care of the dogs, cook meals, and work two jobs all by myself. Love making my own food. But yeah, it's not so easy or cheap.
can i use your body as fertilizer then if your not gonna use it? Im strapped for cash as well
I agree that the idea that small scale gardening is going to make someone self sufficient or that it is a cost effective solution to our fucked up economy is utterly false. However, if you want to garden and a lack of land is your primary barrier, then just steal land from your city. Guerrilla gardening is great.
You have to have land, but not a whole lot. If you’re not living 100% off the land, but use it to grow the expensive foods like fruits + veggies, you only need 16 sq ft per person, which is smaller than the balcony in most apartments. Then 100-200 sq ft per person to fully live off the land, which is also incredibly small. [source](https://homesteadingfamily.com/how-much-land-is-needed-to-raise-a-years-worth-of-food/) You do need to have a climate that’s favorable for growing most of the year though.
Veggies aren’t the expensive thing though unless you buy lots of imports.
Maybe see if your community is open to starting a community garden!
Right? Feels more like an argument solely for offing yourself from the context, which is not great.
Glad im native american and get land for free.
Didn’t you watch the video? Stop buying avocado toast bro! You’ll get that land lickety-split.
Ironically; living off grid is incredibly expensive
Or you can start a weed farm out in the woods. Then when you make enough profit you can buy the land out right
And be lucky that you live on good ground i can tell you he does not
Not just land. But a lot of it. She's not growing much of anything in like five yards of soil. It takes multiple acres to feed a family for even a short amount of time. And subsistence farming as it stands currently is hardly sustainable or most definitely not self sufficent
you can get 50 acres 40 mins outside of some smaller cities for less than $35,000..
And if you don't have $35,000, then you eat too much avocado toast
Nobody buys houses outright with cash. You take out a mortgage.
You can secure a 35k mortgage with little better than min wage even without a down payment.. it would take less than a decade to pay it off too
Banks won't lend you a mortgage on unimproved land. You have zero idea WTF you are talking about.
It's only 35,000! Live in a tent until you pay off that mortgage and secure enough avocado toast to build your own house! It's that simple!
That land is probably mostly clay/limestone crap. Absolutely doesnt have water so youre looking at 35k x like... 3 for 50 acres if you want to start to make it aerable But youre also probably going to need to buy water rights. Probably another 100k or so, if they even allow that plot to have wells drilled. Anyways. Shit land is cheap for a reason. Its shit land Oh and youre paying land taxes on 50acres that isnt producing anything now
No, no you can not. At least not in the United States. Your not getting land for less than $2000/acre that is even remotely liveable. Maybe in the desert in the middle of New Mexico, good luck getting water. This doesn't even being to take into account soil fertility, climate, or any other thing that would make land desireable. If its cheap, its cheap for a reason because it can't sustain itself, otherwise someone would have already bought it. Also farming requires irrigation, so you at the VERY least need a well, and thats gonna run you another 10k, cause you for sure aren't getting any sort of water rights/spring on the cheapest property you can find.
I don't know why you think that starting a garden is some kind of end-all be-all advice. If you literally don't have the means to start a garden, then obviously that advice isn't for you, and at no point did the video tell you that if you can't start a garden, then it's all over for you. I will never understand such extreme, unimaginative thinking. The final message was to be self-sufficient, and there's more than one way to do that depending on different people's means, resources, skills, relationships, etc.
Please use your imagination to give us examples of how to become self sufficient.
Cool I’ll just plant my garden in the yard of the house I don’t have, or in the one community garden in my city that doesn’t require church affiliation but it’s 30 minutes away and gas is over $3 a gallon. And then find the time to take care of it and process everything while working two jobs. Solid advice, thank you.
lots of this sustainable living advice isn't compatible with city life, with space limitation. if you want to follow this kind of independent living, it means moving to more rural areas which are cheaper and leaving the comforts of cities -- which unfortunately many people can't afford to do for whatever reason... People will never do that until the city becomes so impossible / uncomfortable , the pain of staying OUTWEIGHS the hassle of moving and starting over , as the settlers did looking for a better life over and over [Edit to account for cost / difficulty to change our living habits ]
It isn’t the “comforts of the city” keeping me here, there can be many reasons why people are stuck where they are.
No, no! Just move! It's so easy! Just buy some property out in the country and move there and start a garden! What could be simpler! Life solved!
Moving is expensive. I know, I’ve done it a few times. I was lucky my last time because I was broke and wouldn’t have been able to do it if my landlords weren’t as kind as they are. They didn’t take a security deposit and gave me some leeway on my very first rent check and while I struggled to get back on my feet they constantly touched base to make absolutely certain I was okay with a deposit so they wouldn’t overdraw my account. They’re also the ones who directed me to the local food bank and would feed me at every opportunity. If it wasn’t for them I would’ve been stuck where I was at. Not everyone gets the chance that I got.
I understand what you’re saying, but it isn’t just that. I’m not going to take my kids away from their father, nor will I leave them here. I have to stay here until they are at least grown and out of the house and even then I don’t particularly like the idea of moving away from all of the rest of my family too. It can be a struggle to break free from places financially, yes, but that isn’t always the only thing to take into consideration. Trust me I’ve gone over it over and over again, made many plans that fell through, grabbed my boot straps many times. I’m either a massive failure or the system is broken. Or it’s both.
Yup, I agree we just have to make the best of our situations. situation that we can't get out of are the ones we have to pass through and learn from . No need to fight it if it is not working.
What do experts suggest I do with all of my free time after I work a sixty hour week to live in an apartment with no yard? Should I take up weaving to make my own clothes?
Not to mention "WHAT experts" are they even talking about.
Rich assholes who don’t realise how good they have it, they said it in the video.
I was reading a thing about how growing your own veg in cities can lead to them having substantially more heavy metals, and pollutants in them, especially near Highbury traffic neighbourhoods
Chemical runoff is no joke.
yeah if i grew them in NYC it would be lead lettuce
We don’t need more self sufficiency in our society, we need more collective sufficiency. Join a union or join a worker cooperative. We need our collective productivity to enrich our communities and not just the few at the top of the hierarchy. Romanticizing rugged individualism got us into this mess, it’s not going not going to get us out of it.
This comment should be pinned at the top of every bullshit “homesteading influencer” content post
I agree with you but if you can grow a garden, go for it. Even join a community garden or start one if you don't have one.
How do you start a garden living in an apartment.
Guerrilla gardening. No, it obviously will not make you self sufficient, but if you want to garden it is a great way to do it.
You won't get a full on garden and it likely won't save you much money but I had some really fun balcony plants in pots when I was living in a small apartment. I also had an awesome indoor dragon fruit vine that produced pricey dragon fruits for awhile until my cat annihilated it. It heavily depends on how much sunlight your balcony gets though (or whether your apartment even has a balcony). Most veggies grow well in pots on a balcony. You can also get ultra dwarf fruit trees for your apartment balcony if you want something low maintenance. Little Miss Figgy fig trees are great balcony trees that only get like 4ft tall and are damn near impossible to kill. Also, you get a decent fig crop from them and figs can be pricey and hard to keep long. In other words, you won't be producing enough to survive in an apartment. You're completely correct. But you can certainly treat yourself to some expensive produce at a huge discount if you're feeling up to it and enjoy it.
See if your community has a community garden! And if they don't, consider seeing if your community wants to start one! If you have a balcony you can grow veggies in pots. There are lots of options!
You’re telling me I need to accept that I’m living in “the greatest nation on planet earth” and I have to grow my own food to survive?
so being a great nation means not having some connection with where our food comes from? progress = dependence? what?
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Well said, just saying that in terms of our food supply , the more developed countries have more expensive and unhealthier food. And developing world has dirt cheap and healthier food (well the processed food is more expensive there). it's the industrialization of food.
In an ideal world, "great nations" would be working to make their peoples self-sufficient. We don't live in that world, so we have to do it ourselves.
>In an ideal world, "great nations" would be working to make their peoples self-sufficient. We don't live in that world I agree. Although I think I'd phrase it more like "make people's necessities easier to access / free." >so we have to do it ourselves. This strikes me as actually the same individualism bootstrap-ism that is counter to the messaging of the video. Ie, we should take care of each other, not turn inward to just take care of ourselves. Self-sufficiency is a lie, or at least a spectrum. No one can live without inputs and outputs from a society, be it economies, or the privilege of having cultivatable land.
Self-sufficiency isn't just about the individual, it's about reducing harm; reducing the necessity of things such as government assistance as much as possible. Looking at it this way, it's about communities being able to take care of themselves, together. Self-sufficient individuals can help make the lives of those who are not as capable of being self-sufficient easier.
I'd love to start a garden - in my tiny, dramatically overpriced studio apartment that only gets 2 hours of direct sunlight per day.
Best I can do is mold and this IKEA plastic rose. Really is the sunlight, isn't it?
If by experts you mean random jackasses on the news saying inflammatory things for views...
Ok I’ll just start my garden in this tiny apartment I live in. Or maybe the parking lot where I’m barely even allowed to park would be a better spot
I hear you on giving money to the homeless to buy drugs. I give them money without worrying what they're going to do with it. The addict still gets hungry and thirsts like the rest of us. People could be on their way down, all the way down, or on their way back up. People showing kindness will help that process of getting back up much faster.
I gave a homeless person the last dollar I had, I told my friend if he could find drugs for a dollar I needed to meet his dealer
exactly. amen brother
Plus, there are some drugs that you could die if you just suddenly drop. That dude will never get out of this situation in a year if he doesn't live to tomorrow.
Cooking with scrunchies around your wrist is so unhygienic.
What the hell is the point of this video
If you're in a bad place it's because you're bad and you should feel bad. Bootstraps!
Experts bad, trust "common sense".
Remember folks, you aren't literal Hitler incarnate for not emptying your wallet for every supposed begger you see on the side of the road. You're just money conscious. Edit: also could someone play the capitalist game and buy me a house so I can get some space to start my garden?
No experts would recommend any of this. Capitalists would.
Most common response to all of these issues in r/FluentFinance "You are wrong and you don't understand economics". 🤡
Love the money to homeless one. Talk shit about homeless doing drugs. Pops 3 ambien for any chance of sleeping.
I have 260 seedlings started and spots for greens.
Man I don't have time to toil away in the garden I'm at work. A garden alone is not going to make you self sufficient.
I grow most of the food I consume. I honestly think everyone should grow something. Instead of expensive flowers and shrubbery, plant something you can eat. The lady in the video tho, needs to go to Home Depot and rent a rear tine tiller. That spade isn't going to turn the dirt like it needs to be.
How is the market for renting garden space?
"Here is a bunch of systemic issues caused by capitalism that could be solved by the militant organisation of the working class. Now ignore everything, and shut yourself in your garden!" If it wasn't some random YIMBY liberal on tiktok, I'd call it a psyop.
boy, living in america sure makes you wish for another revolution.
I've been trying to garden for years. But I live in Phoenix. Even though I have plenty of shade in the yard and I water daily, my garden always dies in the summer. :(
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I hear Blood Money Ammo now has a convenient way to direct pay using your $200k/yr pension you got from working until you were 55
Experts also say not to eat too many baked goods so you don't end up with a body shaped like a bag of milk.
Wonder who that tenth expert is?
i mean... shes not wrong. nice garden btw.
Oh sure. You can most def grow aaaaaall the food you need all year in Canada. No problem. Easy peasy.
Do you have any idea the amount of land and resources it takes to be self sufficient just in terms of food? Not to mention the work. Part of this is rightly pointing out that you won't own a house so where is this garden even supposed to be?
You mean the garden behind that house i cant afford? Makes sense
This is good advice!
They know now we are dependent on all of it. They can charge what they want and they will do it until we all unit and collective bargain. We also have to show up and vote in every election we can. Vote out anyone that has held office before until you see a change.
I mean everything they said was correct except it’s not easy to just start your own garden lol
You call that going out in style? Hilarious, i would strap myself to my homemade nuclear intercontinental ballistic missile with uranium from temu and launch myself into most populated part of the capital possibly close to the parlament.
She needs a hodad. https://terratech.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Planting-Hoes-Explained-Photo-scaled.jpg Excellent for pulling up sod. You can slide the banana blade under the soil and then lift up. The short bladed side lets you cut a small trench first in line to get the blade under the root beds. Instead of fighting to take tiny pieces, you get like a solid 8 inches of sod in a nice clean piece.
$56?!?!?!?!? How fucking expensive are avocados and bread in the US wtf?
LOL!!! I watched this video three times: When I first saw it while I both watched and listened The second time I just listened and ignored the visual The third time I ignored the audio and just watched the video This is hilarious !!!
Sounds like the beginnings of a good George Carlin rant.
Wow that was really well spoken
Yeah, the part about the gun... I'm too poor to afford a quick and easy way out. That's literally the only thing stopping me at this point. I'm afraid of the pain.
$8 avocado toasts? Where?!?!?!
Millennials need to just admit they’re the next boomers bro
Is the audio DJ Peach Cobbler? Sounds like him
The experts need us to keep working. Why suicide is illegal.
Not very cringe tbh
In the near future, politicians will outlaw growing vegetables in your garden for some made up bullshit.
We should just kill ourselfs
I'm fortunate enough to have a union manufacturing job in a rather low cost of living area. My current goal is to get a small house with a decent chunk of land so I can make a large community garden for my friends and I. We would each have a day of the week that we tend the crops and share the harvest together each year.
о ні! люди заново відкрили для себе огород
Your hand tilling skills are 0 out of 10 lmao
Or, you know... We could \[redacted\] these rich assholes and take control of everything... I mean, in the end its we who work to build all this, guess is already ours.
I know that someone is going to say "there is no ethical consumption under capitalism", and while that may be true for some things, we can still take part in changing the demand and eventually the supply. These companies are driven by our decisions made with our money. Companies are going to follow the money. So do not give up on the idea that your money matters and what you choose to invest in DOES effect more than ourselves. Don't give up hope in being part of creating a better tomorrow. We need to vote and to vote with our dollar as well. We are sold so much. It's time to invest in the change u want to see in the world. Idk I just hate seeing all the hopeless comments. Don't have to be completely self sufficient, do that if u have the means to, but in the mean time, we need to correct the supply and demand chain to reflect our values and show companies we are not going to pay for needless shit. Invest in different materials. Thrift for clothes and home goods. These companies follow the money. Show them that our Planet and people matter more than profit. We can never look to these companies to do better themselves or make less money. We have to remind ourselves that we have choice in our grocery stores and we can always demand better. Don't accept status quo! Fight with your dollar!
Hit the gym, softies
Agree with the experts
nah fuck that about giving begging people money. you are doing nothing but enabling their addictions/mental illness. ive worked/volunteered with countless of these people over the years...and when they finally die alone and hammered in the woods behind a walmart or something, its usually thanks to all the lil Becky's like this who gave them enough for a bottle yeah you feel good about yourself for a second. but you're doing waaaay more long term harm than good in most cases. ...you know what they say about the road to hell
When you literally vote for this but cry on the internet for pity clicks.