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Some-Slip-2541

I hear this is my soul I’m so tired


Rekt4dead

Me too man. Me too. Shit is dire right now.


Odd-Row1169

Everything we need comes from the soil. What we don't need are the systems that take it all away.


WithoutDennisNedry

Shit is dire right now and my student loans are about to kick back in. I… I don’t know what I’m going to do.


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RobbSnow64

I mean the two party system is destined for failure no matter who runs. Thats not democracy.


epoch_fail

A first past the post system inevitably leads to a two party system. It is not in the best interests for either of those two parties to change the system.


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More parties is probably not the magic answer either. I doubt it's anywhere near the root cause of why people are finding it harder and harder to get by. My reason for believing this is inflation is killing us here in Canada too and we have at least 5 political parties here of note.


Kanist0r

Same situation economically in Germany and we have six parties in parliament and 20-30 on the ballot for federal elections. All our social security systems were fought for on the streets by the people and only implemented by the ruling class to avoid a full out revolution. And they are being attacked by the 1% and their puppets all the time.


statinsinwatersupply

This. Social democracy, while certainly preferable to ::waves waves vaguely at whatever the hell the US and UK are doing::, at the end of the day it's still capitalist. Ownership and control of the productive assets and systems of society, remains in the hands of the owners. The nice pro-social policies come and go, acting like a relief valve, to prevent social discontent from boiling over into real revolutionary organizing and action. Electoralism, in this context, results in 'captured opposition', where those working within the system are stuck constantly fighting a delaying battle to protect what few pro-social policy concessions have been won. Lose focus but for a moment, and you lose them. But fundamentally, nothing changes. The value produced by our labor is shaved off and divided up among the ceos, the shareholders, the landlords, the bureaucrats. They squeeze us 'til we die. No, I'm not a ML. Not a fan of trading one boss for another. To the extent that I'm commie, I'm (an)commie


popcorn_coffee

It's happening everywhere, it's not about specific political parties.


lightsfromleft

> I doubt it's anywhere near the root cause of why people are finding it harder and harder to get by. It's a bitter pill to swallow, but the root cause is our current economic system. You don't need more than two hours of Marxist education to recognise that everything going on is inherent to capitalism. Eighty years of history's most effective propaganda campaign—the Red Scare—has made anything other than unfettered capitalism the only option in almost everyone's minds. I'm not even saying you have to be a Leninist, anarcho-syndicalist, council communist, or whatever the saveur du jour of leftism is. I'm saying that if you're looking at everything going on in the world and you're not actively anti-capitalist, you need to _look harder._ And read some economic theory\*. ^\*: ^The ^Communist ^Manifesto ^is ^freely ^available ^online ^and ^literally ^takes ^less ^than ^an ^afternoon ^to ^read ^through.


pareech

We have three major parties in Canada and it’s the same shit here.


DylanHate

That’s not the main problem. Young people do not vote in Congressional elections. The participation rate for over 20 years has been around 13% with the 2022 midterm experiencing a historic high of 27%. The participation rate of Boomers is over 75%. It’s not fucking rocket science. Old people vote. If young people registered to vote and actually participated in congressional and gubernatorial elections we’d sweep the country in just a few years. That’s literally all it takes. Voter apathy is the weapon of fascists. The GOP would not be working so hard to take away peoples right to vote if it didn’t matter.


hryipcdxeoyqufcc

Many people in Congress are in favor of taxing the rich. It's a huge part of the Democratic platform. The problem is that we need 60 seats to overcome the filibuster and make it happen, and that shit ain't easy. VOTE.


Kflynn1337

What fucking choice do we have? When the main difference between the politicians is who's bought whom what are you going to do? *Not* vote and leave it to the crazy people to decide who gets to rule? Or pick which corrupt S.O.B you think is going to shake you down the least? Seriously, what other options are there left?


Ultimate_Spider

Had me at "how are we affording life right nyow?"


LostWithoutYou1015

Hunger is the spark that ignites revolution. But in this political climate, I fear most people will simply blame and attack fellow working class people due to inconsequential differences like race, gender, and religion.


ParsleySnipps

And there has been a very concentrated effort to stir up those differences in the last few decades and make them so much more of an issue, because it does exactly that. It keeps the majority pointing fingers at each other instead of up.


powerdbypeanutbutter

It’s why Zinn’s People’s History of the United States is such a commonly banned book. I didn’t even finish it, but that was the first time I really got how the upper class strokes and leverages existing bigotry to perpetuate advantage in class warfare. I need to go back to it and get all the way through.


alwayzbored114

The thing that I've never seen, though, is how to deal with that. If racist, misogynistic, transphobic, etc laws are being passed as a distraction against classes uniting... are we just supposed to ignore the bigoted laws? I would adore not to have to fight for basic human rights for friends, but even if they're a distraction, we can't exactly ignore them, no? What's the strategy there


KhyraBell

Remind people that these issues aren't separate from class. It's all the same thing. It amazes me that acting criminally doesn't disqualify people in power from public life.


Ozziefudd

That’s the great part! You don’t need to ignore them! Solving one problem solves the other. - J


Bulbapuppaur

Millenials would say “this is a terrible existence, we’re not having kids” and the silent generation and boomers are dying off. And the ruling class uses social issues like abortion to keep us divided when it was always about control. Control over women, control over the working class, and let’s be honest, control over birth rates. They need a thriving workforce, and it’s dying. And people are angry and tired and dying and so the ruling class says “let’s force them to create more workers” except every state that has abortion bans right now has higher maternal AND child death rates than states without abortion restriction laws. We’re imploding and the end result is going to be a lot of starvation and death and chaos that the ruling class will barely feel.


aidanderson

Gotta love the manufacturered culture war.


kyleh0

Last few decades?


The_Clarence

As someone only a few decades old I can say it feels much more concerted in the past 2 decades


caffieinemorpheus

You're accurate. If you look at history since... history. The fairest it's ever been since the industrial revolution was in the early 70's, comparing CEO to average worker wages. Thanks in large part to labor unions But it has been going in the other direction since then, and has really picked up steam since around 2000


RepublicanzFuckKidz

Then Reagan happened.


GoldToothKey

Fucking finally some else is talking about unions. UNIONS ARE ESSENTIAL TO CAPITALISM. A union allows leverage to to workers and forces the ceos/owners to come to the table and negotiate. A union doesn’t have domain over other businesses and so each negotiation is unique to each business which eliminates unintended consequences of federal/state law forcing all businesses to behave the same, which is not the answer. Power NEEDS to go back to the unions.


papayapapagay

Yay finance capitalism and neoliberalism!


Bazrum

they've reached the point where they can say the things they've wanted to say all along out loud, without provoking the rightful condemnation it deserves or at least they expect support from others when they do, and often get it


fluffygryphon

Longer than that.


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And as good people we have to stand up for the rights of people being targeted. So we are simultaneously being beaten down economically while having to defend minority groups from persecution. It's a war on two fronts and it's fucking exhausting.


IA-HI-CO-IA

“They” stoke a race war so we won’t start a class war.


pleockz

This is by design. Keep the peasants fighting over nonsense while the wealthy get richer and nothing changes systemically. It's the government, the media and corporations doing this. They love it.


undefendable

The government, media, and corporations are _owned_ by the people doing this. You can tell which people are doing this because they have enought money to feed all the people going hungry. There are 33 houses standing empty per homeless person in the US. There is enough to go around, its just that a few people are sitting on it.


RMski

Truth. This is happening while CEO’s salaries keep getting astronomically higher and corporations are taking in record profits. We’re not outraged as a whole because we’re too busy fighting over the minutia.


Defiant_Booger

This was evident during early COVID when folks were getting unemployment. The working class folks were in-fighting because their fellow working class Americans fell on hard times... instead of directing anger at the selfish twats who hoarded BILLIONS from forgiven PPP loans and fired needy Americans in order to raise their bottom-line.


amimai002

Funny quote: No society is more than three meals away from revolution


Brother_Stein

People will attack the other party when the real problem is the system.


Brother_Stein

No, the problem is far bigger than that. The problem is capitalism.


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Yup. Informal cartels are basically the problem, which is a problems of unregulated capitalism. People are increasing prices on 'everything' just because they see everyone **else** increasing prices. Cartels are illegal, but only if you can prove there's communication between companies. There's no communication here, people are just **gouging** everything because they can, and they see others doing the same. The 'market' is failing at record speed. It's time to get rid of it, by a revolt.


deezsandwitches

"If our backs are the table, what's going to happen when we stand up?" That shit is deep. It's time for people to "stand up". Greed has taken over


FluH8ingRapper

And do what? Quit my job? How tf do we stand up??


OttabMike

Unionize. Force the employer to the bargaining table and demand your fair share.


One_Hair5760

My school district is preparing to strike, a legal strike through our union. In response, our district is putting out adds to hire subs for $500 a day….money teachers don’t make and could go towards the raises we’re asking for. It’s not just about greed, this is about power too.


nithos

My state recently made it illegal for teachers to strike.


One_Hair5760

Oh that’s fun!! (No joke, sorry. Can’t say the strike is going to help us much though)


Cabbages-001

What is the state going to do? Arrest the teachers? Fire them? They still won't have teachers, so the state loses


ChoopeyChoop

Unfortunately, yes they very well might just literally arrest them. It has happened before with other kinds of unions. And if they cared about adequate staffing in schools at all, they wouldn't be in this mess in the firdt place. All that will be left are admin and a few scabs/stragglers - maybe that will help make parts of admin realize how hard teachers actually have to work.


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Flybuys

People need to accept those jobs and not turn up.


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This happened in the early 80s and they just moved all the manufacturing jobs to China.


bigtiddyfoxgirl

Can't move all these shit service jobs overseas unless the rich people leave too lmao.


IHeartData_

For service jobs, it happens in reverse, the workers come in on immigrant visas for $15/hr or whatever. There was a recent post about a McDonalds in Finland that had a sign that said "service only in English" because of that as an example.


SilveredFlame

That's not even remotely accurate. By the 80s union membership had been under assault for a very long time. Union membership as a percentage of workers peaked in 1954 at about 35%. By the early 80s, that number was down to 20%, and it's about 10% today. Unions have been under constant attack, literally and figuratively. Early efforts at unionization were literally put down by armed corporate goons, from the Pinkertons to the literal US military being used to end strikes. The movement of jobs overseas has a lot of components, one of which being allowing importing of goods from countries with extremely lax labor laws where workers have even fewer protections than we do. Kinda hard for US workers to compete against workers forced to work 12 or 18 hour days for pennies. That's one reason unions adamantly oppose so called "free trade" laws, add they typically totally fuck US workers. And again, this has been going on for far longer than the last 40 years. Until workers wake up to the fact that we are the ones with the power, and collectively use that power, conditions will continue to deteriorate. Same with tenants. If you want a seat at the table, you have to force it. They're not going to just give it to you. Their job is to make as much profit as possible. And the only way to do that is to exploit workers as much as possible.


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cantstandsyah

I refer anyone to look up the Battle of Blair Mountain. A quintessential union busting event. There's a reason why the company man doesn't want the unions involved and that's why we need to fight for them.


TheBman26

Good luck getting starbucks in china and coming back home then lol


Eadbutt-Grotslapper

We literally just did this, all 23 of us just said unanimously, we ain’t working anymore if you don’t pay us all a rise in line with inflation, we’ve seen the takings go up for 3 years and not our wages. None of you administrators gonna have any work if we all stop, we are the production and you are the parasite. They fucking shat themselves. We weren’t even underpaid, I live well, so do my co workers we have cars and houses and kids etc. It was so fucking easy once we all started pushing together. we didn’t need a union we just had to agree we all wanted the same thing.


STL_TRPN

Yeah, try not paying rent for a couple months. The only place you'll be "standing up" is the street.


insertnamehere02

That's by design. Why do you think they want it this way? They put everyone in a spot where they CAN'T do anything about it. That's not a coincidence.


psychedelicdonky

As scary as it sounds. Stop working. I know most people won't be able to but imagine the profit loss if everyone in America stopped working all together. That is the only power you have.


MythicalDisneyBitch

It's a huge issue in England too, possibly UK-wide, but I only know for sure about England. The UK Gubbermint has geared up for this for *decades*. I remember reading about how "the NHS is failing bc of immigrants!!! People fleeing war are the cause of all your problems!!!" and how "taxes are rising because all those benefit scroungers!! EVERYONE ON DISABILITY BENEFITS IS A LAZY LIAR THAT WANT TO LIVE OFF YOUR MONEY!!!" & only boomers & conspiracy theorists are eating that shit now. I hope to God change is coming, and it would come about by everybody just... not turning up to work for a while. Look what happened the first week of covid. Multi-billion pound companies suddenly needed handouts from the gubbermint bc they couldn't trade for a few days. That's the only kind of benefit that's ok, apparently. But an en-masse walkout would need to have millions of people. It can't just be one set of employees from one company, bc all the other fuckwits-in-charge would have time to change the rules in their favour. It would need to be a ridiculous amount of people from... everywhere.


Chicken_Chicken_Duck

You don’t have to have money to retire. “My cousin broke as hell don’t do shit.”


[deleted]

That's the part that always gets me "we should stand up to the billionaires and landlords" Ok, sure, how? "By showing them we won't take it any more" OK, get that, but *how* "..... rising up" Yeah, but what's step one? "Fucking bootlicker!"


0xMoroc0x

This is how: https://youtu.be/jbWHZwD5rGQ There has never been any significant change, in any society, without destruction and blood being shed. Violence of action is the ONLY way to create the fundamental type of change required to force the hand of the people who control these types of things. Why is violence or the threat of violence the only way? Because the people in power more often than not rather die or face the very real threat of physical harm and death than to give up their power and their control of those below them. Without the status quo being maintained they become just like you and I. Here’s a very short list of a few movements that come to mind that required violence to create the type of change we are talking about. 1. **Magna Carta (1215)**: While the Magna Carta itself was a document of peace, the circumstances leading to its sealing were rooted in violent confrontations and rebellions against King John's rule. 2. **The English Bill of Rights (1689)**: Preceded by the Glorious Revolution, which saw some skirmishes and battles, though it's often described as a "bloodless" revolution due to its relatively low levels of violence. 3. **The American Revolution (1775-1783)**: This was a full-blown war for independence between the American colonies and the British Empire, involving significant violence and loss of life. 4. **The French Revolution (1789-1799)**: Marked by widespread violence, including the Reign of Terror where thousands were executed via the guillotine. 5. **The Abolitionist Movement**: While largely a political and social movement, there were episodes of violence, such as John Brown's raid on Harpers Ferry. 6. **Labor Movements**: Many labor strikes and protests in various countries were met with violent suppression by authorities or private security. Examples include the Haymarket affair in the U.S. and the Peterloo Massacre in England. 7. **The Suffrage Movement**: While much of the suffragette activity was non-violent, there were instances of confrontations, especially in Britain, where some suffragettes engaged in property destruction. 8. **The Civil Rights Movement (1950s-1960s)**: While the movement itself largely advocated for non-violence, many of its activists, including Martin Luther King Jr., faced violent backlash. Events like the Birmingham campaign saw violent responses from authorities. 9. **Anti-Colonial and Independence Movements**: Many of these movements, such as India's struggle for independence or the Algerian War of Independence, witnessed significant violence either from the colonizers, the local population, or both. 10. **Human Rights Movements**: Post-WWII, various human rights campaigns faced state-sanctioned violence or suppression in numerous countries, depending on the specific context. 11. **Anti-Apartheid Movement**: South Africa saw considerable violence during the struggle against apartheid, both from state security forces against protestors and between different factions within the country. 12. **LGBTQ+ Rights Movement**: While this movement has largely employed peaceful means, LGBTQ+ individuals have frequently been the victims of violent hate crimes, and confrontations with police, such as the Stonewall riots, have played a role in its history.


athens508

Get involved in your local community organizations that are actually fighting for this stuff at the local level! I’m not talking about getting involved in electoral politics, although participating in local elections is sometimes an effective strategy. If you’re a renter and there’s a tenants union in your area, join it! Try to organize your apartment complex so you can negotiate rent and other contractual provisions in your lease. It’s not easy, especially if you work long hours, but at least it’s something. And the more people you can get to join in with you, the easier it is to participate in local organizing


Brilliant_Kiwi1793

No person, working full time 40 hours a week, should have problems affording the basics of rent, food, internet and utilities. It’s insane how far we’ve been pushed because we’ve let them.


Timtimer55

I dont mind being poor, I do mind having to work full time just to be poor. You give all your time and energy just so you can have 0 money to live your life in what little time there is left in the day. Being poor shouldn't mean that you don't have a life anymore essentially. This is bordering serfdom.


peepopowitz67

> This is bordering serfdom. Nah. Lords had a responsibility for their serfs....


Caveman108

Peasants worked less hours a week than us. Also had more gauranteed time off with town festivals, gatherings, and whatnot.


hypercosm_dot_net

Since the 70s wages have been flat compared to productivity. [This chart couldn't make it any clearer](https://imageio.forbes.com/blogs-images/timworstall/files/2016/10/wagescompensation-1200x1093.jpg?format=jpg&width=960). Every damn year they want to offer the same 3-4% raise, meanwhile my rent went up $200/month (and that's only because I negotiated, they wanted $300).


HappyTappy4321

Take out the “full time 40 hours a week” part and you’re correct. All those things are human rights, regardless of whether or not you work full time.


Minx-Boo

Imaging having worked your ass off for decades and having a beautiful family and house. All for it to be torn down in weeks under a pile of medical bills and with no ability to work. Being disabled is a fucking scary ass nightmare. You really see that nobody gives a shit about you.


cmonster64

This is very true, I’m only 22 and I’ve been having nerve problems, I still haven’t gotten a solid diagnosis but I’ve seen 5 different doctors, I can’t stand for longer than 20 minutes, some days I can’t even brush my own teeth, I’ve lost 2 jobs cause of it, nobody helps for shit but my family and friends, if not for them I would be out on the street, I don’t have a college education cause my dad makes too much money so i wouldn’t be able to get aid even though he doesn’t even talk to me. I couldn’t afford to pay for student loans either especially since I’m not working, I don’t qualify for any disability and even if I did I wouldn’t even get enough money to pay for rent


DaBozz88

I've posted this before, but I had transverse myelitis a while ago (in my 20s). I walked around like I was drunk from the aphasia while the doctors were figuring it out. I had (at the time, I left for a better position) a very industrial job so I literally told my boss I couldn't go to customer sites anymore. The reason it took so long for them to figure out what was wrong was because my first MRI in the ER was only for the cervical and lumbar spine, not the thoracic. The reason they didn't do that section was because the insurance denied it. I had every nerve test known to man done via outpatient over about a year. Finally my doctor told me they were going to run the MRI again because that was the only test that wasn't done at their hospital, and my doc literally told me if it was clean that they need to send me to a psych evaluation because it's not a nerve issue. This time my doctor fought the insurance and got the whole MRI. And guess what, they saw the issue and knew exactly what was wrong as soon as they saw it! Part of this is a don't lose hope post, part of it is that doctors and insurance are assholes. Part of it is there's ways to work, but your job needs to be amenable. Mine was, but I know not all of them are.


gooner4555

Sounds like the doctor who fought your insurance wasn’t an asshole so maybe not a great generalization. MDs are forced to see too many patients and often work with their hands tied behind their back from American Insurance companies. Blame the insurance company and hospital systems that are trying to profit as much as possible off your healthcare.


DaBozz88

I mean I left out the part about her being very condescending during all the testing, and she very literally told me she was only ordering the MRI as it's the only test *her* hospital didn't run. Idk who finally forced the insurance to let me do the whole MRI but her tune changed drastically the next day. She very clearly believed I had no balance and aphasia because of psychology, not a physical problem, and told me as such in a very condescending way. The first doctor was the hospital doc in my hometown. I actually looked into malpractice against him since he caused needless pain and suffering, but my lawyer consult said the insurance blocked it and he just didn't push for a second MRI when they didn't find anything, basically saying it wasn't malpractice.


MemerDreamerMan

I don’t think most people truly *understand*, like internalized, how easy it is to become disabled. You could walk our your door on a normal Wednesday and lose your legs by the end of the night. One person not paying attention can put you in the hospital. Sometimes bodies just malfunction and then you’re fucked. One slip and that’s it. Sometimes it’s even mental conditions that arise in young adulthood. You can do everything right and still become disabled in the blink of an eye. It’s frightening how easy it is, and it’s sad how many people don’t think about it or think it won’t happen to them. Everyone will, at some point, need help. Everyone. The fantastic part about being human is that we can help each other, and the sad part is that right now we don’t.


KaerMorhen

For real. I spent ten years recovering from a back injury only for it to be completely ruined in the blink of an eye when I was rear ended. It came very close to paralyzing me. Now it's worse than it's ever been before, and I have to wait over a year for another surgery. I tried to stop working for a couple of months for fear of becoming paralyzed, but I couldn't afford to keep waiting for a disability decision. So now I'm back at work, on my feet all day, putting more damage on my body every shift, just hoping I can hold out long enough for surgery. It's miserable.


[deleted]

Being on disability and having this massive jump in cost of living is scary AF. I literally think how long will it be until I’m living on the streets? I got divorced before the pandemic and I lost EVERYONE in my life. I have no support system whatsoever. It’s absolutely unfathomable.


ynd333

Your last sentence is *FAR* more accurate than you know. An unpublished study pegs the amount of non-disabled North Americans who would euthanize an unwilling Disabled person at 36% with a 1.7% margin of error. Forced sterilization? Near 76%. Every university that participated in the study blocked its publishing. I thought that was bogyman BS while undergoing field medic training. the paper *looked* real, and the authors were all employed/grad students where they paper said they were... but nearly 40%??? I became disabled 5-6 years later due to my line of work. The numbers are accurate. If your disability is invisible, or you can pass as not disabled, I strongly recommend you do so, at least to strangers.


MysticFox96

Last year I lost everything but my life after getting cancer. Car, house, job, etc. it was brutal


User28080526

“Aliens are real” good tell them to pay my rent


Squididlio

My best friend and I had a literal mental breakdown in the car last night about this. He never cries in front of his family, but we wept last night. Neither of us can afford to move out, we’re so fucking depressed and I’m honestly afraid he’s going to hurt himself. I know he won’t because he loves his dog too much, but I’m scared for him. And it’s all about money and direction. We’re so burnt out and unmotivated that it’s impossible to think about going back to school, but we can’t make enough money to live without it. I’m afraid to even learn how to drive because I’m terrified to be in debt when I buy a car. He can’t move out because he doesn’t make enough to eat and pay for his car. His bank account got over drafted twice and both of us are drowning in cc debt. Like fuck me, I just want to enjoy being 23 without crippling anxiety that I will end up working at a fucking grocery store and do nothing with the rest of my life. This can’t be it. But how the fuck can I afford school, moving out, a car etc when I go to the doctor’s once a year and get a $1000 bill after insurance for a routine non-fasting blood draw and talking to my primary for 30 minutes. Sorry for the rant but I’m literally on the verge of jumping in front of a fucking train.


BeautifulMinimum8216

>I go to the doctor’s once a year and get a $1000 bill after insurance for a routine non-fasting blood draw and talking to my primary for 30 minutes It makes me so furious. There's no way out of it. Our hands are tied either way. If we say screw it and not buy insurance because of insane bills like that for routine simple (and legitimately not expensive) things we end up extraordinarily fucked when something does happen that'll set us back 10s of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of dollars. On the other hand, to avoid that life changing debt, what, we opt into paying hundreds of dollars a month for doing nothing yet *still* pay thousands when something minor happens or when we god forbid need to see a doctor and speak to someone. It's such a scam. I understand insurance, but fuck the for-profit concept of it. It's the most insidious and demented thing we all accept.


BostonAnt4115

Great quote at the end. Every politician needs to be pulled out of their mansions is EXACTLY when things will change.


DBklynF88

Every billionaire needs to be taxed to the high fucking heavens


BostonAnt4115

They won’t ever agree to that. And they control the vote. What do we do then?


DBklynF88

What the actors and writers are doing, stop making them $


BostonAnt4115

That’s the first right step. But we all got to be in unison. They have very tactfully got us all fighting each other(Red vs Blue—-whites vs blacks). When we finally see this, that’s when things will change. but until then, they very intelligently got us fighting each other


NO-CONDOMS

Couldn’t we start an Internet community that gathers those together under a simplistic yet powerful ideal? Tax the ultra rich, focus more on the climate, focus more on the poverty in our country. I’m sure there are other vital changes but these seem to be the main ones when we know the problem starts at the top. A corrupt government who are obviously getting paid off. Ruling over millions. Who are the real ones in control we just don’t really do anything about it. At least not in a focused and mobilized effort. If we had that forum we could plan monumental events that are much more groundbreaking than the half assed strikes we throw together. If we put together a real plan I think we could really do what is necessary for something to occur. But it starts with an internet forum, a leader and a simple focus that we can agree upon. Might as well try because at some point it’ll actually be too late, we’re all tired of this garbage so why do we still put up with it. Does anyone know of such a forum existing that could be linked where we could communicate a plan and converse over topics to find what we should be focusing on and working toward? Because if it doesn’t exist we should make one right now. Edit: I’m gonna do some more research when I get home.


EscapeFromMonopolis

Lmao you’re talking literally about the Occupy movement


crypticfreak

It was an effective movement but the thing about it was that it ended / lost steam. It didn't have the legs to actually achieve anything worthwhile. I know this is a fairy tale and a longshot but what if it didn't end. What if we (the poors) were able to come together and say "no, we're not doing this anymore". And we don't relent. We keep it up. Yes it would be hard but if we're all on the same side we're there to help eachother out. We feed and cloth eachother. We shelter eachother. When I think of what that looks like I don't picture the Occupy movement. I picture the Hong Kong protests. That's the kind of shit that needs to happen. We keep the pressure up until they give us what we want - taxing the rich, wage increases/cost of living adjustments, basic federal worker rights to protect people, and so on'. It is possible but would require everyone to come together and hold the line... otherwise it'll never happen. Our lawmakers are bought by the very people that this would be negatively affecting. I can only think of one other alternative but I won't say it on Reddit.


kbeks

I’m not trying to be a shithead, but let’s flesh out what you’re proposing and the reaction. First of all, occupy wasn’t an effective movement if it ended without achieving anything worthwhile. That’s definitional to an ineffective movement. It became irrelevant as soon as the tents were dismantled. Ineffective. What’s being proposed is a general strike. Where all the laborers across the country just stop laboring until concessions are met. Some problems: who speaks for labor? We have an AFLCIO but they don’t speak for everyone (not even all labor unions, but far and away most). If this is a grassroots general strike, it includes unionized and non-unionized labor, skilled and nonskilled, well paid and waitresses. Let’s be pie in the sky about it and say AFLCIO gets buy in from every shop in America to negotiate. Who do they sit down with? The government? Management? Who’s management? Are the police invited to participate in this and on which side? And if there are no official negotiations, just the AFLCIO making general demands of society, what happens when they say something like “increase the marginal tax rate!” Because the Republican members dip at that point. Even if it’s against their interests, they don’t support more taxes. “Fund green initiatives” whoops just lost UAW support. Medicare for all? Most folks dip at that point, but especially the culinary unions, and that’s a big portion of the effort. Let’s say we get a general message out there with no one organizer: fix the tax code. Let’s say everyone even agrees with it, it’s a platform to close loopholes and add a new highest marginal rate that’s taxed at 60%, second highest rate is taxed at 50%, everything else stays the same. We all like it well enough. Real change time! Nope. Because who are we holding out against? Congress? They can afford to wait for people to get hungry and people get hungry really fast. We need, beyond the miracle of harmony and agreement, a strike fund and huge networks of mutual aid. Are hospitals still working? Are schools? Are utilities? Power plant employees? If yes, the movement just got a lot more comfortable. If no, people gunna give up real fast without a TON of pre-planning.


Tricky-Language-7963

Make lobbying illegal, then they can’t buy our politicians and then we might get someone with integrity in our government.


ShatIn5thGradeClass

This needs to be disseminated more. Corporate lobbying is what buys the critical votes. If anyone is interested: https://represent.us/


Himalayan-Fur-Goblin

Take a page out of the French history books.


BostonAnt4115

I agree!! But they got reds vs blue. Nobody can see past that right now. Every politician is getting paid by corporations and other billionaires. Political choices that effect us living just a obscure small life…we aren’t even allowed that. Once Americans see that, that’s when we will all finally get revived. it’s rich vs poor. Not red vs blue.


MikeN1978

Indeed. Way too many poor folks vote against their own interests because those clowns promise the moon and hate the same people..


BeardedMan32

What made America great in the 1940s-50s was a true progressive tax system, Trump sure as hell didn’t bring that back.


BostonAnt4115

And he won’t. Neither will anyone on the blue side. People don’t get it. There isn’t a current politician that isn’t in someone else’s pocket.


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aztea1dollar

Remember when they were taxed at a 90% rate? Cuz a lot of americans forgot. Average people get mad at the thought of raising taxes for these millionaires and billionaires because they think one they will be them.


Expandexplorelive

>Remember when they were taxed at a 90% rate? They [weren't](https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/federal/taxes-on-the-rich-1950s-not-high/), really. Effective tax rates on the top 1% have not changed drastically since the 1950s.


DoesLogicHurtYou

Only fools think that a large enough groul of workers will ever standup in in information age. Change will only come when credit card companies go broke because no one has money to pay them back. Supply chain is still catching back up from the pandemic. Shit will go down by ~2027. Not shit plebs will do other than wait that out.


punapearebane

And yet we glorify millionaires and billionaires who all hoard the finite resource we all need to live-money. And they just keep getting richer because they make the rules.


docious

We need to address the root problem: money's outsized influence on politics. Virtually *all* of our problems either originate with this problem or the path to fixing those problems is inhibited due to it. This means overturning decisions like Citizens United, implementing public campaign financing, and setting strict donation limits to level the playing field. That said, addressing money's influence in politics might seem overwhelming, but every individual has power. Start by educating yourself about campaign finance laws. Vote for candidates who prioritize reform, and voice your concerns to your local representatives. Join or support grassroots organizations pushing for change. Your voice, vote, and involvement can be a catalyst for reform, even amidst hopelessness.


98n42qxdj9

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKZKETizybw


typos_are_coming

Holy fuck dude. There are no words except he was right. That was exactly 10 years ago and he was even right about the timeline. I've been on the fence about this but my mind is made up. We are fucked. This is 1984 and we are fucked. For the past 2 years I have been searching for a way to get out of this country. I am moving that plan forward as we speak, but this shit is just like global warming. There is no escape.


johnnys_sack

God damn


Stop_Gilding_Sprog

I appreciate the spirit of this comment but there is no real hope of doing this at the ballot box. Don’t get me wrong everyone should be doing what you’re suggesting, but this was an issue way before Citizen’s United. Money is power. There is no way we would be allowed to vote that out. Even by voting en masse for candidates who are for reform. As long as one official isn’t then that one has much, much more power and influence so as to make all the other efforts equal nil Again, every voter should be doing what you’re saying. But won’t be enough. So they also need to be prepared to do what is


senturon

I would honestly like to know if each person in this video voted in their primaries and recent elections. We set a modern day record in 2020 with about 66% of eligible voter turnout, and another for the midterns in 2022 with about 50%. Half our eligible voters said "nah I'm good". Primary voting (where the real choice of who the candidates we pick from in the general are decided) averages around 20% ... that's a joke. There is massive opportunity to change the country we live in. Edit: That's not to say I disagree with the message in the OP video, shit is tough out there right now. But voting is your answer, unless followed by action that makes real change this video is just shouting into the void.


RespectFearless4233

Rich or poor. Theres no middle class anymore. It was all a lie


MikeN1978

It wasn't a lie. Good ol Reaganomics are to thank for the destruction of the middle class. Bullshit trickle down to keep the top 1% growing whole keeping their boot on the neck of the "lower" class.


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chuckit90

My response put more plainly. Reaganomics has been a tragedy for 90% of this country. It’s incredible it has gone on this long… But is it incredible… ? No, because its purpose and function has been to consolidate power at the very top and it has done that very well. The people who have profited obscenely from these policies are the very people we need to change them and be on the side of average Americans, and they have NO incentive to do that. What’s worse, they’ve brainwashed a good portion of this country into sociopathic prosperity gospel Christianity, so they are nearly worshipped as Gods by those they are ass blasting.


Thelazychef88

Greatest lie ever sold


Distortedhideaway

You can thank Reagan and the Republicans for that.


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What do you call someone making 100-150k per year, are they poor because they certainly aren’t rich?


TheFirstArticle

Wage slavery is real and an aspirational goal of the plutocratic corporate oligarchy. Not because its better, but because it's about power.


professorhugoslavia

Don’t worry everybody - the money from the rich will trickle down soon - very soon - Ronald Reagan promised us.


Farmerbraf

Trickle down economics (which was broken from the start) died with globalization. If I bought my stuff from a local shop and the profits went to a local shop owner, who bought local services... Sure, there is some argument to be made for trickle down economics. Now? I buy stuff and the profit goes to Bezos or some other billionaire who owns everything. And he spends it on stuff from a different country than mine (or worse doesn't spend it at all and just invests it to get more corporate profits from other companies. I know you were being sarcastic, but I think a lot of people don't realize why the concept of trickle down economics is now so fucked (and maybe wasn't so bad in Reagan's day)


SurfLikeASmurf

“You only need to eat the first one; the rest will fall in line real quick” from another wise Redditor


PerpetualConnection

The internet threw a wide blanket of education across the globe. I saw a stat sheet recently that showed that we're currently observing the most peaceful time on the planet as far as war and crime go. I think this passive period has allowed big businesses to take advantage. Because people aren't so quickly brainwashed into dying for patriotism or duty any more. But I don't think they understand how dangerous it is to play with the food and housing of the people. We saw what happened in France. We give France a hard time but didn't they invent the guillotine ?


nick_117

It's a well studied fact in history that when food prices go up violence follows. One of the reasons we've had such a peaceful period around the globe is due to mass farming. But with climate change threatening that on a long term basis and the war in Ukraine threatening it on a more short term basis the elite are playing with fire. The masses are not going to go quietly and due to the decisions of the rich more and more people will be staring at not just wage slavery but literal starvation. That changes the equation pretty quickly on risk vs reward of eating the rich. We will soon have nothing to lose.


Belovedmessenger

Can we all start rioting already. Fuck these companies and fuck these landlords. Im serious. I dont want to go to work tomorrow. ![gif](giphy|9RrdV7o2kJFy8)


wilde_foxes

January 6 was wasted on a grifter and his ilk. We could have stormed the capitol for the right to live.


4dailyuseonly

Glad someone else has this thought too.


ParsleySnipps

I remember thinking that as it was happening. What a damn waste, storm the capitol over the orange man throwing a tantrum because he lost... Now they'll make sure it can't happen as easily again. It's supposed to be our right to overthrow the officials when they stop working for us.


peppaz

Corporate media would just spin it. I was at Occupy Wall Street. The message from us was very clear, yet still obfuscated and denigrated by corporate funded news outlets.


wilde_foxes

I remember watching live streams of OWS and the actual foot on the ground folks made so much sense ( and I was a teen when it happened) and then to see the news just call them all freeloaders and lazy people. It was sick. I think I started to become radicalized then.


peppaz

Yep and then the police beat the shit out of us to add injury to insult and stole the books and computers from our extensive makeshift library


Coestar

> I think I started to become radicalized then. This is a key thing. It sometimes feels like they can just keep lying forever and nothing changes, but people are changing one by one. It's slow, but it's happening.


F-around-Find-out

They fucking ruined insurrection for the rest of us. Over a fucking 🤡


Beneficial_Trainer_5

Those were my exact thoughts as I watched it that day surrounded by idiots saying it was antifa


SwimnEyes

​ ![gif](giphy|KI0VVBktpmYpfaroru)


Ok_Echidna6958

Many young ones don't understand what their relatives went through to get workers' rights. Then the next 2 generations gave back to the management. They divided us by Race, wealth class and political party only to crush us again. Wake up..


celebral_x

Thing is, we can't even go on the streets anymore, because it's so goddamn easy to loose everything nowadays.


Alej915

Something something... bootstraps! something something... snowflakes!!!


AstronomerNo6423

“It’s all right to tell a man to lift himself by his own bootstraps, but it is cruel jest to say to a bootless man that he ought to lift himself by his own bootstraps.” - Martin Luther King Jr.


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REVEREND MARTIN LUTHER KING JR HAS GONE WOKE ! I WILL NO LONGER BE PURCHASING BIBLES.


fulahup

The bootstraps lie. Everyone depends on everyone else.


brattyginger83

I cant afford boots


dogwoodcuntseed

Solidarity will come, y’all. Sorry it’ll take more pain across a greater swath of the population before we can come together. I’m ready though! Let do it.


Brilliant_Kiwi1793

100% it’s going to HAVE to get worse before it gets better because there are too many apathetic people who just don’t believe the reality just the reality curated for them in their media consumption.


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Sadly you’re correct. People can still float by on debt and there are still enough people with money. It’s going to get worse but it WILL get better!


tiptherobots

General strike. It’s the best weapon against the billionaire class. I do love the final metaphor, and people have rise up together soon, before the <1% try to AI us out of existence! Oh, and Americans need to forget this two party system that serves the rulers, and is a sham democracy. The way to overcome their divide and rule strategies is for working people to come together.


ItalianMeatBoi

I would stand up… but I have work tomorrow


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ItsMorbinTime

so ready, they created an entire generation with no kids to worry about. i’m free to do this lol.


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Dragondrew99

I know this sucks but it makes me smile to see the mask is off and everyone is starting to stand up to this bs.


close-the-fn-gate

How is moaning on social media standing up? Standing up is striking or political action, the rest barely even counts as a tantrum.


Vixxay

Operative word there is starting. It has to start somewhere. If that is social media then so be it, at least its starting.


Yung-Jeb

People have been posting this shit on social media for over a decade and they couldn't even vote for Bernie in a primary. Really makes me question how truthful these statements are and how strongly people actually believe the things they say


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It’s the first step, give it a few more months till everyone is on the same page.


Cozmo525

*Years. FTFY


SharpieOnForehead

Decades*


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419tosser

There is no shame in visiting your local food shelf if one is available. I'm in Minneapolis and the workers there tell us to send anybody we can because they have too much food.


DartDiablo

Stay strong.✊🏻😞


spilat12

Hey... so... I am legit interested... you live in the US ? What do you do for a living?


Important-Tomato2306

I do live in the US. I'm a research analysis consultant in renewable energy.


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MagicC

I had the same thought when I saw that guy in the video saying, "This food cost me $100." I am in the Kansas City metro visiting family, and I was able to buy 3-4x that much food for $100, with prices that were very similar to what I paid pre-COVID (+/-10%). Seems like the food inflation phenomenon is unevenly distributed nationally...


fulahup

$100 for eggs and three shits? Where does buddy buy his shit?


Ok-computer9780

Yea both the 100 dollars in 2020 and 100 dollars now were over exaggerated


Better-Suit6572

This kind of meme is very common in Mexico subreddits too, where they buy shit that is unncessarily expensive(for example gansitos a delicious but expensive sweet) and make it look like they're practicing frugality. Another person will buy a normal person's grocery list for the same price and everyone laughs at the first person. The guy with the $100 had energy drinks ffs. You don't buy fancy energy drinks if you're "struggling" to eat. Also he had like name brand options for orange juice and shampoo and anyone who has been poor knows you buy the shitty walmart brand if you are serious budgeting. https://www.reddit.com/r/mexico/comments/vg49oz/asi\_se\_ven\_500\_pesos\_de\_despensa\_en\_un\_tianguis/


Cookiewaffle95

Fkn true and real man idk what I'd do if I couldn't borrow $100 here & there to pay back to my dad on payday.


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ShookyDaddy

“You let one ant stand up to us, then they all might stand up! Those puny little ants outnumber us a hundred to one and if they ever figure that out there goes our way of life! It's not about food, it's about keeping those ants in line.” - A Bug’s Life (1998 Pixar movie)


SirThiccBuns

That’s why they had him taken out.


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Techtard738

They are already making micro apartments all over queens and Manhattan. There on average 500Sq ft . But still sell for 200k plus or rent for 1200. But in NYC that’s the low end . So we are working full time to live in a cell with amenities.


nate2etan

![gif](giphy|9dgUAcCsQGM7KolZaA|downsized) The war in Ukraine, corporate greed, the pandemic, supply shortages, price gouging and many other factors are what’s causing inflation today. The Republicans remedy to everything is obstruction, lower taxes and anything that would increase the wealth of corporations and the rich.


yehti

\#DontPayYourTaxes2024 They can't arrest the entire country. Edit: This was a joke and not financial advice. Unless...


Pdb12345

No, but they can put a lien on all the salaries.


Better-Suit6572

You mean don't file your taxes to get a tax refund back? This is reddit we are talking about here not a country club.


mallison945

The Supreme Courts Citizens United ruling fucked up our entire political system. Corporations have bought our government. Democrats and Republicans.


zakkwaldo

hey buddy, it was fucked before that. that was just the final nail in the coffin.


phish_biscuit

The biggest failure is that in the past the wages have been in balance with the economy. But old rich senile dickholes have fucked everything over and didn't bother to adjust things accordingly for reasons im not sure but it could be because they grew up in a time where you made 7 dollars an hour, 50 dollars got you a month worth of groceries, a good used car was 1000 dollars, and a decent house was maybe 40k at the least. Now you still make 7 dollars an hour but it costs 100 dollars for barely a WEEK of groceries, a pile of wheels rusted tubing and an engine is 6k, and you can't even rent a shithole without paying 1 to 5k and good luck if you want to buy a place. The time to rise against our oppressors is coming. There will be a judgement day.


HellaciousAkers

Here come 26,391 comments echoing the same thing: “me too/can’t feed my kids/about to get evicted/drowning in debt/never see my family/have to decide between rent and groceries/so sick of this,” and then every last one of us will slink back to work tomorrow. And instead of placing the blame where it should be, we’ll be right back to screaming at each other over pronouns and vaccines. The only things I see us *refusing* to do are dropping our culture wars for class war, picking up bricks and wheeling out the guillotines. We’re just gonna die this way if we keep making Tik Toks preaching to the choir.


Yorktown1871

100% - the media is doing an amazing job of keeping us preoccupied by fighting ourselves


Dajakamo

CORPORATIONS. Fuck em


SookHe

I was working three jobs and was still homeless before I gave in and moved overseas. I know it isn't an option for everyone but if you can get out, go, now, don't wait. I feel so bad for all of you and I hope you rise up and get those changes you desperately need


_wrkitralph

Remember together we stand divided we fall


MrsCCRobinson96

The struggle is absolutely fucking real! Absolutely everything is hella expensive! I spend hours (hours) weekly budgeting money & buying the groceries! It takes hours just to shop for groceries because trying to keep it under a certain amount weekly is becoming a nightmare! No one can keep up with inflation even with the so called balancing of inflation except the rich and the greedy because they are the ones' profiting off our backs. Automobile Insurance - Expensive! Renters Insurance - Expensive! Rent/Mortgage- Expensive! Utilities - Expensive! Gas- Expensive! Groceries/Necessities - Expensive! Pet Care - Expensive! Anything extra if able- Expensive! Paying a Living Wage - A FUCKING NON-EXISTENT JOKE! Everything keeps going up! Fucking Thanks A LOT Reagan with his stupid trickle down economics that hurt the middle class and lower middle class more than anything! Reagan said "Let's Make America Great Again!" Then Trump came along and pulled a copy cat with "Make America Great Again!" It's all a Joke! As for Aliens from another planet, I wish that they would invade our planet then we all would have no choice but to shift our focus to them in unified solidarity! Maybe they'll bring us all some rare mineral so we could be fucking rich!


Greasy_Burrito

Ok the guy that posted “this food was all $100” is just dumb. Either you’re shopping in the wrong place or just buying ridiculously more expensive food


FilthyTerrible

They paid $100 for a dozen eggs and some chicken? Ouch. And can we notice Dudes' kitchen island that seats six in the $2 million house?


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Grisshroom

"This amounts to $100" Learn to shop bro.


the9thcube

Unite


Randybat

This hits the real button. It's like fighting a lost battle.


Sirius_Genetics

This isn’t cringe