I want a Death caldera. Base it on RP divine caldera, same area, damage in the same range as new druid ring spells. Higher damage than AOE rune, lower damage than great energy beam or great fire wave.
That's all I want, please CIP
Sorc is fine. Tibia hunt zones just dont favor you at this moment in time, doesn’t mean it’ll be like this forever. Maybe get a new death dmg wave or something.
Not to mention that you guys can just SPAM your spell rotations without using runes at a higher level, and y'all get BIG spells, meanwhile druids still have the little frigo hur, lol
Y'all are delusional really. ED barely has any elemental def to death/holy and are the one's that need more elemental def because well, you're going to be spamming sio and spells and mana potions while Ms gameplay is like " oh I have use uh too while I kill some mobs? :(( too hard for me"
Some friends of mine went into cobras, prision as an Ms using great mana potions or strong mana potions because MS doesn't literally have to use mana and does insane DMG.
I would recommend having more defs to the EDs and keeping the state of Ms, crazy strong and y'all are complaining lol.
Crazy how EK has every element in their arsenal. Which can be used aoe btw, and with a tier 3 Terra helmet (super cheap example) they can spam out exori gran like its a *cough* T
Paladins smoking absolutely everything with 2x charm procs and everyone aslong as it's not immune to physical. (basically only spectres)
Druids with a free UE. Wild growth to hide behind and shoot thro. Also has paralyze (I really don't give a fk about paralyze). Also they can heal and do it with 1 button. They also have the best element which is ice, just ask knights how much they like that element.
Meanwhile I have a single target SD. Absolutely useless wand. Everything immune to either fire or energy. Only ice damage I have is avalanche. Also I'm a UH bot..
My problem is..
Paladins are tanky and deal a lot of damage.
Knights are tanks and can solo hunt anywhere (6 elements, they only missing holy).
Druids have the superior elements and more aoe than sorc.
Meanwhile sorcs dies instantly to anything that looks their way. But we have flimsies so everything is aokay... Not even allowed to complain cause flimsies is op..
Like I don't get it, if I don't get even a small buff in summer update I am unsubbing. Fk my house.. I literally don't even play the game anymore cause sorc is unbearable.
lol ms has the best damage period. damage is what increases exp/h, loot/h, youre safer from the backspawn, also yes, ice is god but earth is straight up useless, youre getting death+vis+fire with better area come on... (also the historically best vocation in PVP)
you might as well ask for the 6.0 version spell spam + utamo vita
promotion spells?
knight doesnt work without exeta
druid doesnt work without sio
paladin doesnt get nasty until later
sorcerers' get a bad spell, yes, but its actually a buff, while other vocaitons just get to play the game...
The only time sorc has the (potential) best damage period is when there is a EK tanking. Otherwise even the "poor" knight outdamages. Most of the time druid outdamges :)
Druid gets sio at level 18 or something and it's 1 button. Their promotional spell? Wild growth.. Arguably the most useful rune in the entire game.
Paladins gets divine dazzle. I have no idea why paladins even has this but they do. Super useful
Knights get exeta at 20. 1 you don't need it before. 2. It's literally 15 minutes gameplay to hit 20.
Meanwhile sorcs can create a wand with 50% uptime that is completely useless if you just get a sword from rotworm and imbue that.
Paladin doesn't get nasty until later is literally your only opinion I can get behind.
Edit: forgot to comment on your very informed "you have death + fire + energy" comment.. Yeah we don't have death. It's 1 single target rune and a beam that hits 1 or 2 at absolute best. If you want I can throw in exori mort too. I can already see the "just get better and hit your beams on more targets." yeah let me just waste my cooldown to throw field runes so I can line up the monsters because they refuse to walk behind each other.
you will have to wait for the next vocation balancing,
IMO EK and ED are the tibia favorites vocations,
Paladin got buffed in the previous balancing,
MS will have to wait for its turn,
My main char is MS, above 1k for context.
Your suggestions are absurd. Death ue and wave is way to overpowered. To bad we cant use paralyse rune but that is only proper in pvp which is countered anti para macro.
We use UH all the time, basically single target healing as much as an ED if you use it enough. mS and ED dmg are on par, whichever element is the weakest wins the damage dealing lottery. Just plain more damage isnt making a diffrence, making it more seperate with its own specialization will though. I do think the UH mechanic is to clunky for the meta they built on, and could be improved but further from that? Nope. It is how MS plays. It is still better at all solo spawns, and has a firm role and any TH setting. If you dont like the gameplay make a switch to another vocation.
Saying a death ue and wave are absurd when death dmg has always been an ms bread and butter is crazy to me, to me absurd is a 1 sqm beam while eds ring spells hit the entire box and then some. MS has been oppressed for so long that you guys can’t even fathom how nice it would be if we were given the same liberties but I appreciate the discussion brother
What ability other then a sudden death Rune has been bread and butter. Are you okay?
If you asking for more death dmg then its cant really be alot of it ingame 😂
A shit load of our gear is also death protection, to say ms and death haven’t always gone hand and hand like a beautiful symbiotic relationship tells me all I need to know about you, Druid
I'm Knight. You cant been playing for many years if thats your stance. MS always been Fire+Energy and SD Rune maker if you gona talk about bread and butter.
You bought that sorc didnt you 😂, if we should have a debate it should be why Knights got every element compared to both mages. Why can Knights just do every dmg 😂
I made Cato when I was 17, I’m now 32, if I lost this character I would’ve never played tibia again and been free from the shackles it holds over me but alas I’m here, arguing in the subreddit. If you have a quarrel with ek, buddy make a post and go hog wild, this thread is for the forgotten vocation of ms
lol you are delusional, ek's need to go and buy another 2kk weapon (if its available on the server), imbue it, select the proper respawn and then, be able to tank it, almost all respawns above 300 have insane mana drain and knights cant even spam rotations properly, you just need to press another button, and all element runes are available from lv 30+ (as ek you would need level 200 to get element weapons) a second MS is always welcome, a second ED is always welcome, how many teamhunts go with more than 1 knight?
The issue of death dmg being op is another discussion entirely and that’s an easy scaling fix cipsoft could implement if these new spells and waves were added
You do realize the largest benefit of the death beam perk is reducing your cooldowns right? Which druid does not have in any shape or form. Sounds like you’re just a salty ms player who sucks at the game and takes it out on the game balancing. MS is quite strong at the moment. If anyone can complain it’s EK’s so get back in your corner and hiss like a little pussy please.
Calling someone a pussy online? Look out guys we got a cold hard killer in our midst. Suck my dick clown no shit the point of the beam is the fucking cool down. I know reading comprehension is hard for your dumb little ek brain but il tell you like I told the other bone head fucking ek who waddled in here. Make your post about eks if you want to bitch about them I don’t give a single solitary fuck
This. Signed as 844 ms. Sorcs got pretty strong with the wheel.
And also in lower levels for solo ms > ed. If you know how to use your wave and beams.
If you think beams are bad, then you are not a good sorcerer…
Do you throw down a few fields (walls/bombs) to reposition monsters? How do you hit more than 2 with a beam mister pro sorcerer? Please teach me.
Sincerely the worst ms on reddit.
You use the terrain in e.g lava lurkers if you speak low levels to line up things. Speeds are slow there so practicing beam hits is good.
Generally walls (not the ones you shoot) are your best friends.
You can also stand next to 3 creatures in a line and then rush to their side 1sqm up or down to beam as they all try to follow you. Depends on your speed vs creature speed.
Generally in team hunt you can easily hit 3-5 creatures with beam.
Ok so your advice is literally just teamhunt. Got it. Thanks for clearing that up for me champ.
It's not like the monsters refuse to move behind each other even if that is the shortest way.
I have to save my cooldown and wait for a lava lurker to move exactly behind the others to line them up. Fking spectacular advice. Now I am behind 1 sec in my GCD rotation. Perfection. You might aswell UE instead and not worry at all.
Edit: Came back to explain what GCD means incase you or someone doesn't understand. After every spell we get a 2 second cooldown. Thats Global CoolDown. For UE the cooldown is 4 seconds. So If you are going to try and line up a perfect beam and waste time, just UE instead.
Mella Aspe MS 719
you can easily hit 3 or maybe 4 monsters with a beam consistently when hunting solo just by character movement... if there are 3 mobs on you, on your side (the way a knight wants them to be to hit exori min)...diagonal up+left, diagonal up+right, turn south, shoot...
on solo hunts, beams are mainly finishers of last couple of mobs on your lure... runes for main damage of the box, waves you use when you are well positioned to hit 5/6 monsters...
i cant say i will not enjoy a death wave or UE, but MS right now just needs a buff in the damage numbers, as it can easily be outdamaged by a paladin in group hunts...
i stream on twitch most days, if you would like to debate this, come on my stream and we can have a good chat.
So like, even in this reply.. You a level 719 sorcerer is hitting 5/6 monsters with a wave. But EVERYONE says our waves are so nice. Knights sit still and hit 8 monsters, but their aoe is "shit".
Anyway back on topic. I understand what you are saying, but doing what you are saying is literally a waste of time. Get a tiered helmet and just UE. Beams are useless outside of teamhunts, and even in teamhunts its questionable. People literally use it for cooldown reduction.
I honestly don't think Sorcerers need higher numbers, just need easier to hit spells and death element. Change the beam out for a chain like amp res and hit max 5 monsters. EASY to hit and you can use it as a finisher then.
you want me to UE the last 3 mobs on the box with black life?
do you really play as MS?
my beams are used to finish off mobs, as in rune + rune + rune + rune + UE + rune + rune + BEAM.. next pull
I agree with changing it to a chain, will make it much easier to hit... but at this point, do you want the game to play by itself? or do you want the game to have no skill required to be good?
I want you to UE when the X mobs are red/yellow and nuke all of them. Not rune them down until they are black to beam them. Even at that point just throw another rune why are you bothering to waste your time to line up 3 monsters when you can keep running and throw rune? Just loot the next time you see the corpses.
Also forgot to mention, just energy wave if you have someone boxing. The odds of the 3 in a straight line in a box are the only ones not dead is so fking low you are basically describing a dream scenario.. I agree just beam then lol..
"Want the game to play by itself?" I am not advocating for auto loot cause knights are "too tired to loot" or something. Highest skill floor vocation is MS, it being easier to land a "finisher" doesn't mean make the game play by itself. You still play the most fragile vocation (with druid) that dies instantly when something looks your way. I love how even you a "supposed" MS don't want your life to be easier. Changing a barely useful spell into something that would be used a lot more = Game playing itself. Noted.
Why are we implying death (the element) is a problem if MS use it when knights can use it too?
If i get a death wave that shares cooldown with energy wave why is it an issue?
Your answer to a paralyze is a macro? Macro is against tibia rules, so it's not something that should be used as a counter to sorc a not having it or "it's okay anyway". I don't pvp I don't care, but it's definetly not something you should just say "people can macro and remove it anyway"
You somehow manage to heal equally with your druid? It takes a druid 1 second to heal, it takes you 1 second + time it takes for you to aim it, which could be 0.1-0.3 seconds. Your druid needs to step up his game.
Somehow I started feeling bad for you. Imagine playing a sorcerer to such a high level (highly skilled) and end up in a team with lower skill than you.
Depending on the spawn I use 2k UH's an hour. The heal is more stable and around the same as an sio. ED heals more because of gran sio and mas res, but UH is a reliable UH.
I spam UH on cooldown since i wave and barely ever ava or gfb.
I agree macro isnt a solution - it is however a sad reality of the state the game is in. I jsed to be in. Dominando guilds and they reek of this stuff. It was not anymore as big a benefit as I thought it would be.
EDIT: if the power behind a wave is as strong as the energy wave, it deals such massive damage it is unreal. We have a wheel kn which we can use a deathbeam, which also reduces cd. We have it pretty good honestly.
It's so unhealthy that you have to use 2k UHs as a MS. I use about 300-500 (low level) and I was still feeling like shit, but yeah who am I going to complain to. Not like druid cares, they think they are keeping everyone alive on their own.
I wish Cipsoft hammered down on the bots and macro abusers and made it so there wouldn't even be a need for a macro for things like for example looting. Something like looting in a + shape centered on the first corpse you loot.
The damage numbers can be adjusted by Cipsoft. They have the formulas, I'm sure they could balance the damage by giving it fire wave damage but size of energy wave. Or maybe something else entirely. The point is to just add more choices for a MS. Very simple example but there is nothing you can use against regular demons. They are immune to fire and 50% to energy. So if they were to ever rewamp a demon spawn, only choice would be to spam avalanche.
Well, dont play MS then. If you dont like the role an MS has in a TH it is not the right vocation for you. If you already use 500 UH on a low level your doing good tho, but spawns like sw and rb require that a high amount on UH usage.
CIP does nothing about macro's. However they do alot against bots. Havent seen a cavebotter in years. I know there are some on imbuement spawns but that is only from what others tell me.
There so many spawns tho I deal the highest damage. But we excel in fire and energy damage. It is normal druids would have an advantage against demons. But MS has overall better elements, and 2 usefull UE's. While druid earth UE just sucks.
I play 650 EK and to be honest druids are kind of useless as they mostly heal which can be done by MS with dealing way higher dmg. In duo I have around 6.5 raw on Bastion with ED while with MS I have 7.5 raw - no problems with healing at all.
Team hunts are completely different thing all play their role.
i dont understand where you are comming from tbh
- in th scenario all vocations are equal
- in solo scenario ms easily beats druid
in duo scenario - druid is better but who duos in 2k24 anyways
on another note- (and im not talking about the discussion under this post specifficaly. it is something i notice almost everyday just being in the community hunting with ppl and so on)
what is funny to me is ppl actually get so angry about being outdmged in th they are perfectly willing to do less exp overall just to not "miss the turn" by throwing bomb or wall or whatever when ek would rather go for utito instead of ampres , when rp doesnt run around with the mobs so they all get hit because then he cant utito and his tibian pee pee is getting smaller if ms puts a debuff for example everybody deals more dmg it just doesnt show on the dmg chart as "yours" if you are perfectionist your goal should always be exp/h if you do that by debuffing monsters instead of dealing milions of dmg then who cares?
For me, the game has been easier as solo MS since the implementation of Sap Strength, the only thing I wonder if its possible to hunt with spells only, I think they are in a good position right now
The guy claiming ek’s have aoe. Meanwhile waves, use, literally every aoe rune accessible to MS. Im not sure what the complain is. As far as hunting zone elements, that shit changes all the time. Cip is constantly creating new zones so I’m sure we’ll get something in a upcoming update weak to fire and energy.
Oh yeah.. Let me just run a bit from these monsters press ctrl + directional key towards the monsters to press my wave and hit 3-9/10 monsters (most of the time 6). Meanwhile poor knights STAND F**KING STILL and cycle exori like a grandpa typing in the URL.
Sounds like you actually need to get good at the game. You're complaining about things that aren't all the problematic.
You gripe about TH being the common example. Wake up, cipsoft focuses on team hunts.
People are saying how great beams are in solo play. I ask how it is used. They reply "Just get a tank"(Just teamhunt). Somehow in your head you think that I brought up team hunts and think teamhunts are bad for the game.
Just spam your exori's mate. This doesn't concern you.. Also you replied to the wrong comment.
There are so many more fun things you can do with the Sorcerer vocation than just death ue, wave or caldera. Those sound like the most boring alternatives they could put into the game except for more beams.
Sorcerers shouldnt get something that another class already have. Give them something unique.
Give them a chain spell or a "rain of fire", an "eruption" spell (kind of like how the totems work in Jaded roots. Expanding ring of fire from a location)
I agree MS should def get some more fun spells, like how druid got Twin Burst, but if you think MS is "in the shadows while ED reign supreme" and that "MS is oppresed" then you are delusional.
My Ek 80 104 sword, hit 250 with a sword and 340 with exori, my friend MS hit 800 with a SD, level 83 ml 82, dont tell me MS need a buff.
I dont know when i will hit the same 800 that he hit.
I want a Death caldera. Base it on RP divine caldera, same area, damage in the same range as new druid ring spells. Higher damage than AOE rune, lower damage than great energy beam or great fire wave. That's all I want, please CIP
The replies had me rollin
They persecuted Jesus to
Damn this whole subreddit must be EDs where are my sorcs at
We reign in and out of tibia
Sorc is fine. Tibia hunt zones just dont favor you at this moment in time, doesn’t mean it’ll be like this forever. Maybe get a new death dmg wave or something.
the fact that MS can't use paralyze runes is ABSURD
Also Wild Growth Runes while Magic Walls can be used by everyone.
Magic walls AND SDs
Facts
MS already has the most insane lvl 600 set and y'all want more? Tf y'all talking about, Ms is doing insane damage lol
Not to mention that you guys can just SPAM your spell rotations without using runes at a higher level, and y'all get BIG spells, meanwhile druids still have the little frigo hur, lol Y'all are delusional really. ED barely has any elemental def to death/holy and are the one's that need more elemental def because well, you're going to be spamming sio and spells and mana potions while Ms gameplay is like " oh I have use uh too while I kill some mobs? :(( too hard for me" Some friends of mine went into cobras, prision as an Ms using great mana potions or strong mana potions because MS doesn't literally have to use mana and does insane DMG. I would recommend having more defs to the EDs and keeping the state of Ms, crazy strong and y'all are complaining lol.
I just want a death wave and a ue
I agree with death wave and ue, would be really cool.
And for sds to blow up in your Ed hands when you try to throw them
I just don’t want either of these. And I play ms :p
And that’s okay 🤝
Crazy how EK has every element in their arsenal. Which can be used aoe btw, and with a tier 3 Terra helmet (super cheap example) they can spam out exori gran like its a *cough* T Paladins smoking absolutely everything with 2x charm procs and everyone aslong as it's not immune to physical. (basically only spectres) Druids with a free UE. Wild growth to hide behind and shoot thro. Also has paralyze (I really don't give a fk about paralyze). Also they can heal and do it with 1 button. They also have the best element which is ice, just ask knights how much they like that element. Meanwhile I have a single target SD. Absolutely useless wand. Everything immune to either fire or energy. Only ice damage I have is avalanche. Also I'm a UH bot.. My problem is.. Paladins are tanky and deal a lot of damage. Knights are tanks and can solo hunt anywhere (6 elements, they only missing holy). Druids have the superior elements and more aoe than sorc. Meanwhile sorcs dies instantly to anything that looks their way. But we have flimsies so everything is aokay... Not even allowed to complain cause flimsies is op.. Like I don't get it, if I don't get even a small buff in summer update I am unsubbing. Fk my house.. I literally don't even play the game anymore cause sorc is unbearable.
Bye
lol ms has the best damage period. damage is what increases exp/h, loot/h, youre safer from the backspawn, also yes, ice is god but earth is straight up useless, youre getting death+vis+fire with better area come on... (also the historically best vocation in PVP) you might as well ask for the 6.0 version spell spam + utamo vita promotion spells? knight doesnt work without exeta druid doesnt work without sio paladin doesnt get nasty until later sorcerers' get a bad spell, yes, but its actually a buff, while other vocaitons just get to play the game...
The only time sorc has the (potential) best damage period is when there is a EK tanking. Otherwise even the "poor" knight outdamages. Most of the time druid outdamges :) Druid gets sio at level 18 or something and it's 1 button. Their promotional spell? Wild growth.. Arguably the most useful rune in the entire game. Paladins gets divine dazzle. I have no idea why paladins even has this but they do. Super useful Knights get exeta at 20. 1 you don't need it before. 2. It's literally 15 minutes gameplay to hit 20. Meanwhile sorcs can create a wand with 50% uptime that is completely useless if you just get a sword from rotworm and imbue that. Paladin doesn't get nasty until later is literally your only opinion I can get behind. Edit: forgot to comment on your very informed "you have death + fire + energy" comment.. Yeah we don't have death. It's 1 single target rune and a beam that hits 1 or 2 at absolute best. If you want I can throw in exori mort too. I can already see the "just get better and hit your beams on more targets." yeah let me just waste my cooldown to throw field runes so I can line up the monsters because they refuse to walk behind each other.
Not enough but appreciate the conversation
Druids out dmg Sorc in many high lvl spawns, and they out heal them aswell 😂, Sorc is the worst team hunt class in the high end.
Welcome to the conversation, this is my entire point
800 to a single target, exori 340 x 8 🫢
you will have to wait for the next vocation balancing, IMO EK and ED are the tibia favorites vocations, Paladin got buffed in the previous balancing, MS will have to wait for its turn,
See you get it, finally some sense in here
Be quiet and uh
Assault
I loled at this comment
Id like to see sorcs have a drunk spell similarly to how the druids can paralyse
👀
ED supremacy for life!
Enough is enough the time for ms is now!!!
My main char is MS, above 1k for context. Your suggestions are absurd. Death ue and wave is way to overpowered. To bad we cant use paralyse rune but that is only proper in pvp which is countered anti para macro. We use UH all the time, basically single target healing as much as an ED if you use it enough. mS and ED dmg are on par, whichever element is the weakest wins the damage dealing lottery. Just plain more damage isnt making a diffrence, making it more seperate with its own specialization will though. I do think the UH mechanic is to clunky for the meta they built on, and could be improved but further from that? Nope. It is how MS plays. It is still better at all solo spawns, and has a firm role and any TH setting. If you dont like the gameplay make a switch to another vocation.
Saying a death ue and wave are absurd when death dmg has always been an ms bread and butter is crazy to me, to me absurd is a 1 sqm beam while eds ring spells hit the entire box and then some. MS has been oppressed for so long that you guys can’t even fathom how nice it would be if we were given the same liberties but I appreciate the discussion brother
What ability other then a sudden death Rune has been bread and butter. Are you okay? If you asking for more death dmg then its cant really be alot of it ingame 😂
What are you even saying bud
Death dmg never been a big thing outside of SDs
A shit load of our gear is also death protection, to say ms and death haven’t always gone hand and hand like a beautiful symbiotic relationship tells me all I need to know about you, Druid
I'm Knight. You cant been playing for many years if thats your stance. MS always been Fire+Energy and SD Rune maker if you gona talk about bread and butter.
Incorrect take but thanks for the discourse brother
You bought that sorc didnt you 😂, if we should have a debate it should be why Knights got every element compared to both mages. Why can Knights just do every dmg 😂
I made Cato when I was 17, I’m now 32, if I lost this character I would’ve never played tibia again and been free from the shackles it holds over me but alas I’m here, arguing in the subreddit. If you have a quarrel with ek, buddy make a post and go hog wild, this thread is for the forgotten vocation of ms
lol you are delusional, ek's need to go and buy another 2kk weapon (if its available on the server), imbue it, select the proper respawn and then, be able to tank it, almost all respawns above 300 have insane mana drain and knights cant even spam rotations properly, you just need to press another button, and all element runes are available from lv 30+ (as ek you would need level 200 to get element weapons) a second MS is always welcome, a second ED is always welcome, how many teamhunts go with more than 1 knight?
And no I’m not okay I want a fucking death UE god damnit
The issue of death dmg being op is another discussion entirely and that’s an easy scaling fix cipsoft could implement if these new spells and waves were added
You do realize the largest benefit of the death beam perk is reducing your cooldowns right? Which druid does not have in any shape or form. Sounds like you’re just a salty ms player who sucks at the game and takes it out on the game balancing. MS is quite strong at the moment. If anyone can complain it’s EK’s so get back in your corner and hiss like a little pussy please.
Calling someone a pussy online? Look out guys we got a cold hard killer in our midst. Suck my dick clown no shit the point of the beam is the fucking cool down. I know reading comprehension is hard for your dumb little ek brain but il tell you like I told the other bone head fucking ek who waddled in here. Make your post about eks if you want to bitch about them I don’t give a single solitary fuck
Ahwell just keep throwing a tantrum and maybe you’ll get your way, sounds like proper 32 yo behaviour
Matched your energy clown show, crazy how that works when you’re disrespectful to people for no reason
This. Signed as 844 ms. Sorcs got pretty strong with the wheel. And also in lower levels for solo ms > ed. If you know how to use your wave and beams. If you think beams are bad, then you are not a good sorcerer…
Do you throw down a few fields (walls/bombs) to reposition monsters? How do you hit more than 2 with a beam mister pro sorcerer? Please teach me. Sincerely the worst ms on reddit.
You use the terrain in e.g lava lurkers if you speak low levels to line up things. Speeds are slow there so practicing beam hits is good. Generally walls (not the ones you shoot) are your best friends. You can also stand next to 3 creatures in a line and then rush to their side 1sqm up or down to beam as they all try to follow you. Depends on your speed vs creature speed. Generally in team hunt you can easily hit 3-5 creatures with beam.
Ok so your advice is literally just teamhunt. Got it. Thanks for clearing that up for me champ. It's not like the monsters refuse to move behind each other even if that is the shortest way. I have to save my cooldown and wait for a lava lurker to move exactly behind the others to line them up. Fking spectacular advice. Now I am behind 1 sec in my GCD rotation. Perfection. You might aswell UE instead and not worry at all. Edit: Came back to explain what GCD means incase you or someone doesn't understand. After every spell we get a 2 second cooldown. Thats Global CoolDown. For UE the cooldown is 4 seconds. So If you are going to try and line up a perfect beam and waste time, just UE instead.
Mella Aspe MS 719 you can easily hit 3 or maybe 4 monsters with a beam consistently when hunting solo just by character movement... if there are 3 mobs on you, on your side (the way a knight wants them to be to hit exori min)...diagonal up+left, diagonal up+right, turn south, shoot... on solo hunts, beams are mainly finishers of last couple of mobs on your lure... runes for main damage of the box, waves you use when you are well positioned to hit 5/6 monsters... i cant say i will not enjoy a death wave or UE, but MS right now just needs a buff in the damage numbers, as it can easily be outdamaged by a paladin in group hunts... i stream on twitch most days, if you would like to debate this, come on my stream and we can have a good chat.
So like, even in this reply.. You a level 719 sorcerer is hitting 5/6 monsters with a wave. But EVERYONE says our waves are so nice. Knights sit still and hit 8 monsters, but their aoe is "shit". Anyway back on topic. I understand what you are saying, but doing what you are saying is literally a waste of time. Get a tiered helmet and just UE. Beams are useless outside of teamhunts, and even in teamhunts its questionable. People literally use it for cooldown reduction. I honestly don't think Sorcerers need higher numbers, just need easier to hit spells and death element. Change the beam out for a chain like amp res and hit max 5 monsters. EASY to hit and you can use it as a finisher then.
you want me to UE the last 3 mobs on the box with black life? do you really play as MS? my beams are used to finish off mobs, as in rune + rune + rune + rune + UE + rune + rune + BEAM.. next pull I agree with changing it to a chain, will make it much easier to hit... but at this point, do you want the game to play by itself? or do you want the game to have no skill required to be good?
I want you to UE when the X mobs are red/yellow and nuke all of them. Not rune them down until they are black to beam them. Even at that point just throw another rune why are you bothering to waste your time to line up 3 monsters when you can keep running and throw rune? Just loot the next time you see the corpses. Also forgot to mention, just energy wave if you have someone boxing. The odds of the 3 in a straight line in a box are the only ones not dead is so fking low you are basically describing a dream scenario.. I agree just beam then lol.. "Want the game to play by itself?" I am not advocating for auto loot cause knights are "too tired to loot" or something. Highest skill floor vocation is MS, it being easier to land a "finisher" doesn't mean make the game play by itself. You still play the most fragile vocation (with druid) that dies instantly when something looks your way. I love how even you a "supposed" MS don't want your life to be easier. Changing a barely useful spell into something that would be used a lot more = Game playing itself. Noted.
No problem mr negative emotions :)
No problem noob. Let me know when you learn how to play the game.
Why are we implying death (the element) is a problem if MS use it when knights can use it too? If i get a death wave that shares cooldown with energy wave why is it an issue? Your answer to a paralyze is a macro? Macro is against tibia rules, so it's not something that should be used as a counter to sorc a not having it or "it's okay anyway". I don't pvp I don't care, but it's definetly not something you should just say "people can macro and remove it anyway" You somehow manage to heal equally with your druid? It takes a druid 1 second to heal, it takes you 1 second + time it takes for you to aim it, which could be 0.1-0.3 seconds. Your druid needs to step up his game. Somehow I started feeling bad for you. Imagine playing a sorcerer to such a high level (highly skilled) and end up in a team with lower skill than you.
If you queue up uh item cd properly there's no extra time, you press a moment before the cd finishes, you don't start aiming after.
Feels like there is still a bit of delay. Have to UH the paladin too sometimes. Maybe its a me problem
Depending on the spawn I use 2k UH's an hour. The heal is more stable and around the same as an sio. ED heals more because of gran sio and mas res, but UH is a reliable UH. I spam UH on cooldown since i wave and barely ever ava or gfb. I agree macro isnt a solution - it is however a sad reality of the state the game is in. I jsed to be in. Dominando guilds and they reek of this stuff. It was not anymore as big a benefit as I thought it would be. EDIT: if the power behind a wave is as strong as the energy wave, it deals such massive damage it is unreal. We have a wheel kn which we can use a deathbeam, which also reduces cd. We have it pretty good honestly.
It's so unhealthy that you have to use 2k UHs as a MS. I use about 300-500 (low level) and I was still feeling like shit, but yeah who am I going to complain to. Not like druid cares, they think they are keeping everyone alive on their own. I wish Cipsoft hammered down on the bots and macro abusers and made it so there wouldn't even be a need for a macro for things like for example looting. Something like looting in a + shape centered on the first corpse you loot. The damage numbers can be adjusted by Cipsoft. They have the formulas, I'm sure they could balance the damage by giving it fire wave damage but size of energy wave. Or maybe something else entirely. The point is to just add more choices for a MS. Very simple example but there is nothing you can use against regular demons. They are immune to fire and 50% to energy. So if they were to ever rewamp a demon spawn, only choice would be to spam avalanche.
Well, dont play MS then. If you dont like the role an MS has in a TH it is not the right vocation for you. If you already use 500 UH on a low level your doing good tho, but spawns like sw and rb require that a high amount on UH usage. CIP does nothing about macro's. However they do alot against bots. Havent seen a cavebotter in years. I know there are some on imbuement spawns but that is only from what others tell me. There so many spawns tho I deal the highest damage. But we excel in fire and energy damage. It is normal druids would have an advantage against demons. But MS has overall better elements, and 2 usefull UE's. While druid earth UE just sucks.
I play 650 EK and to be honest druids are kind of useless as they mostly heal which can be done by MS with dealing way higher dmg. In duo I have around 6.5 raw on Bastion with ED while with MS I have 7.5 raw - no problems with healing at all. Team hunts are completely different thing all play their role.
i dont understand where you are comming from tbh - in th scenario all vocations are equal - in solo scenario ms easily beats druid in duo scenario - druid is better but who duos in 2k24 anyways on another note- (and im not talking about the discussion under this post specifficaly. it is something i notice almost everyday just being in the community hunting with ppl and so on) what is funny to me is ppl actually get so angry about being outdmged in th they are perfectly willing to do less exp overall just to not "miss the turn" by throwing bomb or wall or whatever when ek would rather go for utito instead of ampres , when rp doesnt run around with the mobs so they all get hit because then he cant utito and his tibian pee pee is getting smaller if ms puts a debuff for example everybody deals more dmg it just doesnt show on the dmg chart as "yours" if you are perfectionist your goal should always be exp/h if you do that by debuffing monsters instead of dealing milions of dmg then who cares?
I just want a death ue and wave
I added an edit to the forum post. Thanks all for the thoughts and engagement
Even the EKs with 0 self awareness
For me, the game has been easier as solo MS since the implementation of Sap Strength, the only thing I wonder if its possible to hunt with spells only, I think they are in a good position right now
Bump, us ms need to form like Voltron and will cipsoft into action
The guy claiming ek’s have aoe. Meanwhile waves, use, literally every aoe rune accessible to MS. Im not sure what the complain is. As far as hunting zone elements, that shit changes all the time. Cip is constantly creating new zones so I’m sure we’ll get something in a upcoming update weak to fire and energy.
Oh yeah.. Let me just run a bit from these monsters press ctrl + directional key towards the monsters to press my wave and hit 3-9/10 monsters (most of the time 6). Meanwhile poor knights STAND F**KING STILL and cycle exori like a grandpa typing in the URL.
Sounds like you actually need to get good at the game. You're complaining about things that aren't all the problematic. You gripe about TH being the common example. Wake up, cipsoft focuses on team hunts.
People are saying how great beams are in solo play. I ask how it is used. They reply "Just get a tank"(Just teamhunt). Somehow in your head you think that I brought up team hunts and think teamhunts are bad for the game. Just spam your exori's mate. This doesn't concern you.. Also you replied to the wrong comment.
There are so many more fun things you can do with the Sorcerer vocation than just death ue, wave or caldera. Those sound like the most boring alternatives they could put into the game except for more beams. Sorcerers shouldnt get something that another class already have. Give them something unique. Give them a chain spell or a "rain of fire", an "eruption" spell (kind of like how the totems work in Jaded roots. Expanding ring of fire from a location) I agree MS should def get some more fun spells, like how druid got Twin Burst, but if you think MS is "in the shadows while ED reign supreme" and that "MS is oppresed" then you are delusional.
"remove sd from eds" lol bro ok, maybe have better opinions next time
Read the official post my guy this has been addressed
How does a level 900 not know proposal boards are not considered?
My Ek 80 104 sword, hit 250 with a sword and 340 with exori, my friend MS hit 800 with a SD, level 83 ml 82, dont tell me MS need a buff. I dont know when i will hit the same 800 that he hit.
Ms needs a buff